Re: [OT] I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 25 February 2009, Aldo Foot wrote:
>On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:17 AM, Rahul Sundaram
> wrote:
>
>
 Since when being formal and polite is ridiculous. You may want to
 consider cultural diversity before replying with what could be construed
 as offensive comments.
>>>
>>> I have no problem with being polite.  I just think that the language was
>>> a bit excessive.
>>
>> I understand it looks odd to you but it is a cultural difference
>> primarily.
>>
>> Rahul
>
>The cultural difference is already shown by the way the OP addresses
>the intended audience: "Respected Sir/Madam". And he got hammered
>in return because of the lack of understanding of how things work in
>his world.
>The world is not the same outside our borders. There are many countries
>were the resources are not as readily available as they are for us.
>
>~af

I would also interject here that the "Respected Sir/Madam" bit is a plus point 
for spam as its used the most often as the greeting in a phishing or 419 
message.  Some of those are so plainly so that they get drug-n-dropped into 
my spam folder, to be used as training for sa-learn -spam that I run daily 
with cron.  I have to admit I was reaching for the mouse when the rest of the 
message finally registered.

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Re: [OT] I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-25 Thread Aldo Foot
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:17 AM, Rahul Sundaram
 wrote:

>>> Since when being formal and polite is ridiculous. You may want to
>>> consider cultural diversity before replying with what could be construed
>>> as offensive comments.
>>
>> I have no problem with being polite.  I just think that the language was
>> a bit excessive.
>
> I understand it looks odd to you but it is a cultural difference primarily.
>
> Rahul

The cultural difference is already shown by the way the OP addresses
the intended audience: "Respected Sir/Madam". And he got hammered
in return because of the lack of understanding of how things work in
his world.
The world is not the same outside our borders. There are many countries
were the resources are not as readily available as they are for us.

~af

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Re: I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-25 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Bill Davidsen wrote:

> Matthew Flaschen wrote:
> > Ed Greshko wrote:
> > > Matthew Flaschen wrote:
> > > > Senthil Kumar wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Respected sir/madam, I am working as a lecturer in a reputed
> > > > > engineering college.
> > > > >
> > > > Well, as long as its a *reputed* engineering college head over to
> > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia#Fedora_Free_Media_Program_India
> > > > .  Just make sure not to tell the upstart schools nobody's heard of.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Sri Vasavi College is known in India.  You should try visiting it is
> > > sometime.
> >
> > I'd love to if I had a chance.  I didn't say it wasn't a good
> > school. But Senthil's comment was fairly ridiculous, particularly
> > when you consider what Robert said.
> >
> Having worked with Indians I can say that the tone of many sounds
> somewhat formal and stilted to Americans. Not an indication of much
> other than his English is better than my {insert any dialect in
> common Indian use here}. ;-)

  all right, i'm sorry i brought it up.  :-)  it was just a throwaway
comment.  as penance, i will go out tonight and indulge in some
unspeakably hot curry, and you can pretend that i won't enjoy it.

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Re: I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-25 Thread Bill Davidsen

Matthew Flaschen wrote:

Ed Greshko wrote:

Matthew Flaschen wrote:

Senthil Kumar wrote:
  

Respected sir/madam, I am working as a lecturer in a reputed
engineering college.


Well, as long as its a *reputed* engineering college head over to
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia#Fedora_Free_Media_Program_India
.  Just make sure not to tell the upstart schools nobody's heard of.


  

Sri Vasavi College is known in India.  You should try visiting it is
sometime.


I'd love to if I had a chance.  I didn't say it wasn't a good school.
But Senthil's comment was fairly ridiculous, particularly when you
consider what Robert said.

Having worked with Indians I can say that the tone of many sounds somewhat 
formal and stilted to Americans. Not an indication of much other than his 
English is better than my {insert any dialect in common Indian use here}.

;-)

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Re: I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-25 Thread Bill Davidsen

Robert P. J. Day wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Rahul Sundaram wrote:


Robert P. J. Day wrote:

On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, Senthil Kumar wrote:


Respected sir/madam,

.

  not to make light of this, but how is it that you are "handling
computer networks" in a "reputed engineering college" and are unable
to download a copy of fedora?  that just seems weird.

Very likely just a matter of being on a low bandwidth connection.
Not very uncommon in India even for educational institutions.


  ok, that works for me.  sorry to have ruffled any feathers out
there.



I was more taken by not having followed the "want free Fedora media" links which 
seem to be all over the obvious web pages. If you click "get fedora" off the 
www.fedora.redhat.com page and have the technical acumen to scroll down a page 
it's there, and in other places as well.


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Re: [OT] I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-25 Thread Thierry Sayegh De Bellis




I have no problem with being polite.  I just think that the language was
a bit excessive.

Matt Flaschen



I think it's not from the OP cultural context.

I got used to the difference in formality levels through working in 
megacorps and dealing with people from a far and wide international 
background.


It may sound excessive to you but this is all but cultural difference :)

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Re: [OT] I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-25 Thread Rahul Sundaram

Matthew Flaschen wrote:

Thierry Sayegh De Bellis wrote:


Sri Vasavi College is known in India.  You should try visiting it is
sometime.

I'd love to if I had a chance.  I didn't say it wasn't a good school.
But Senthil's comment was fairly ridiculous, particularly when you
consider what Robert said.

Matt Flaschen


Since when being formal and polite is ridiculous. You may want to
consider cultural diversity before replying with what could be construed
as offensive comments.


I have no problem with being polite.  I just think that the language was
a bit excessive.


I understand it looks odd to you but it is a cultural difference primarily.

Rahul

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Re: I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-25 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

> Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, Senthil Kumar wrote:
> >
> > > Respected sir/madam,
> > >
> > >  I am working as a lecturer in a reputed engineering college. I am
> > > handling computer networks for Electronics and Communication
> > > Engineering students for this semester. In order to contact networks
> > > lab i need a open source linux OS. Manyof them preferring fedora, I
> > > wish to work on fedora linux. It is very very difficult for me to
> > > download form the website directly. Please send me a copy of federo
> > > linux to my following office address:
> >
> >   not to make light of this, but how is it that you are "handling
> > computer networks" in a "reputed engineering college" and are unable
> > to download a copy of fedora?  that just seems weird.
>
> Very likely just a matter of being on a low bandwidth connection.
> Not very uncommon in India even for educational institutions.

  ok, that works for me.  sorry to have ruffled any feathers out
there.

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Re: I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-25 Thread Rahul Sundaram

Robert P. J. Day wrote:

On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, Senthil Kumar wrote:


Respected sir/madam,

 I am working as a lecturer in a reputed engineering college. I am
handling computer networks for Electronics and Communication
Engineering students for this semester. In order to contact networks
lab i need a open source linux OS. Manyof them preferring fedora, I
wish to work on fedora linux. It is very very difficult for me to
download form the website directly. Please send me a copy of federo
linux to my following office address:


  not to make light of this, but how is it that you are "handling
computer networks" in a "reputed engineering college" and are unable
to download a copy of fedora?  that just seems weird.


Very likely just a matter of being on a low bandwidth connection. Not 
very uncommon in India even for educational institutions.


Rahul

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Re: [OT] I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-25 Thread Matthew Flaschen
Thierry Sayegh De Bellis wrote:

>>> Sri Vasavi College is known in India.  You should try visiting it is
>>> sometime.
>>
>> I'd love to if I had a chance.  I didn't say it wasn't a good school.
>> But Senthil's comment was fairly ridiculous, particularly when you
>> consider what Robert said.
>>
>> Matt Flaschen
>>
> 
> Since when being formal and polite is ridiculous. You may want to
> consider cultural diversity before replying with what could be construed
> as offensive comments.

I have no problem with being polite.  I just think that the language was
a bit excessive.

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Re: I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-25 Thread Ed Greshko
Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>   
>> I tend not to make assumptions about people's situation.  I see that
>> Suvayu has just educated the list on the state of affairs of some
>> ISPs and universities in India.
>>
>> I feel that what Robert said was uncalled for.  In some cultures it
>> isn't uncommon to announce ones station in life as a source of
>> pride.  Besides, it has always been bad form to point out grammar
>> and spelling errors of people who are not native English speakers.
>> 
>
>   since people appear to be taking my name in vain, a quick recap if
> we could.  the OP wrote:
>
>   
>>  I am working as a lecturer in a reputed engineering college. I am
>> handling computer networks for Electronics and Communication
>> Engineering students for this semester. In order to contact networks
>> lab i need a open source linux OS. Manyof them preferring fedora, I
>> wish to work on fedora linux. It is very very difficult for me to
>> download form the website directly. Please send me a copy of federo
>> linux to my following office address:
>> 
>
>   to which i replied (quite reasonably, i thought):
>
>   
>> not to make light of this, but how is it that you are "handling
>> computer networks" in a "reputed engineering college" and are unable
>> to download a copy of fedora?  that just seems weird.
>> 
>
>   there was absolutely no reference to country, race or ethnic origin
> in how i responded.  and there was no nitpicking pedantry regarding
> grammar or spelling.  it was (i thought) a perfectly logical
> puzzlement as to how someone who claims to be competent at networking
> at a reputable engineering college claimed to be unable to download a
> DVD image.  i did not mock, i did not satirize, i simply found that
> passing strange, and i would have found it similarly strange if the OP
> was posting from india, new york or alberta.
>
>   and some of you folks who immediately went full-metal politically
> correct might want to chill out just a little bit.  there are enough
> *real* racism and bigotry problems out there without some of you
> having to invent them out of whole cloth.
>
>   
Sorry for being unclear.  Didn't intend to imply that your comments
were racist, merely thoughtless.

I still feel that what you said was unnecessary and it would matter not
who the OP was  A fellow made a request and embellished the
request.  I think it would be better to either help or notand not
express puzzlement.  It almost seems as if the OP needs to now justify
his request.

That is not to say that if the same OP didn't ask a question that could
easily be found by Google that I may not throw in a sarcastic remark
when giving the answerbut I would at least give the answer.

Maybehad you gone the extra step and given an answer as opposed to
raising questions it would have made a difference in people's reactions?

Sorry to ruffle your feathers.


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Re: I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-25 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Ed Greshko wrote:

> I tend not to make assumptions about people's situation.  I see that
> Suvayu has just educated the list on the state of affairs of some
> ISPs and universities in India.
>
> I feel that what Robert said was uncalled for.  In some cultures it
> isn't uncommon to announce ones station in life as a source of
> pride.  Besides, it has always been bad form to point out grammar
> and spelling errors of people who are not native English speakers.

  since people appear to be taking my name in vain, a quick recap if
we could.  the OP wrote:

>  I am working as a lecturer in a reputed engineering college. I am
> handling computer networks for Electronics and Communication
> Engineering students for this semester. In order to contact networks
> lab i need a open source linux OS. Manyof them preferring fedora, I
> wish to work on fedora linux. It is very very difficult for me to
> download form the website directly. Please send me a copy of federo
> linux to my following office address:

  to which i replied (quite reasonably, i thought):

> not to make light of this, but how is it that you are "handling
> computer networks" in a "reputed engineering college" and are unable
> to download a copy of fedora?  that just seems weird.

  there was absolutely no reference to country, race or ethnic origin
in how i responded.  and there was no nitpicking pedantry regarding
grammar or spelling.  it was (i thought) a perfectly logical
puzzlement as to how someone who claims to be competent at networking
at a reputable engineering college claimed to be unable to download a
DVD image.  i did not mock, i did not satirize, i simply found that
passing strange, and i would have found it similarly strange if the OP
was posting from india, new york or alberta.

  and some of you folks who immediately went full-metal politically
correct might want to chill out just a little bit.  there are enough
*real* racism and bigotry problems out there without some of you
having to invent them out of whole cloth.

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Re: I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-25 Thread Ed Greshko
Matthew Flaschen wrote:
> Ed Greshko wrote:
>   
>> Matthew Flaschen wrote:
>> 
>>> Senthil Kumar wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
 Respected sir/madam, I am working as a lecturer in a reputed
 engineering college.
 
 
>>> Well, as long as its a *reputed* engineering college head over to
>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia#Fedora_Free_Media_Program_India
>>> .  Just make sure not to tell the upstart schools nobody's heard of.
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>> Sri Vasavi College is known in India.  You should try visiting it is
>> sometime.
>> 
>
> I'd love to if I had a chance.  I didn't say it wasn't a good school.
> But Senthil's comment was fairly ridiculous, particularly when you
> consider what Robert said.
>
>   
OK...

I tend not to make assumptions about people's situation.   I see that
Suvayu has just educated the list on the state of affairs of some ISPs
and universities in India.

I feel that what Robert said was uncalled for.  In some cultures it
isn't uncommon to announce ones station in life as a source of pride.  
Besides, it has always been bad form to point out grammar and spelling
errors of people who are not native English speakers.

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Re: I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-25 Thread Thierry Sayegh De Bellis

Matthew Flaschen wrote:

Ed Greshko wrote:

Matthew Flaschen wrote:

Senthil Kumar wrote:
  

Respected sir/madam, I am working as a lecturer in a reputed
engineering college.


Well, as long as its a *reputed* engineering college head over to
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia#Fedora_Free_Media_Program_India
.  Just make sure not to tell the upstart schools nobody's heard of.


  

Sri Vasavi College is known in India.  You should try visiting it is
sometime.


I'd love to if I had a chance.  I didn't say it wasn't a good school.
But Senthil's comment was fairly ridiculous, particularly when you
consider what Robert said.

Matt Flaschen



Since when being formal and polite is ridiculous. You may want to 
consider cultural diversity before replying with what could be construed 
as offensive comments.
While no harm was intended as such it's probably not showing great 
social acumen to publicly comment on whether one's comments are of the 
ridiculous sort or not...

my .02 cents
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Re: I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-25 Thread suvayu ali
2009/2/24 Robert P. J. Day :
> On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, Senthil Kumar wrote:
>
>> Respected sir/madam,
>>
>>  I am working as a lecturer in a reputed engineering college. I am
>> handling computer networks for Electronics and Communication
>> Engineering students for this semester. In order to contact networks
>> lab i need a open source linux OS. Manyof them preferring fedora, I
>> wish to work on fedora linux. It is very very difficult for me to
>> download form the website directly. Please send me a copy of federo
>> linux to my following office address:
>
>  not to make light of this, but how is it that you are "handling
> computer networks" in a "reputed engineering college" and are unable
> to download a copy of fedora?  that just seems weird.
>
Usually Indian ISPs put ridiculous download caps. Unless the
institute/university is directly funded by the government, they
invariably run short of resources. And judging from the name of the
OP's employers, I think its privately funded.

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Re: I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-25 Thread Matthew Flaschen
Ed Greshko wrote:
> Matthew Flaschen wrote:
>> Senthil Kumar wrote:
>>   
>>> Respected sir/madam, I am working as a lecturer in a reputed
>>> engineering college.
>>> 
>> Well, as long as its a *reputed* engineering college head over to
>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia#Fedora_Free_Media_Program_India
>> .  Just make sure not to tell the upstart schools nobody's heard of.
>>
>>
>>   
> Sri Vasavi College is known in India.  You should try visiting it is
> sometime.

I'd love to if I had a chance.  I didn't say it wasn't a good school.
But Senthil's comment was fairly ridiculous, particularly when you
consider what Robert said.

Matt Flaschen

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Re: I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-24 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 13:56 +0530, Senthil Kumar wrote:
> Respected sir/madam,
> 
>  I am working as a lecturer in a reputed engineering college. I am
> handling computer networks for Electronics and Communication
> Engineering students for this semester. In order to contact networks
> lab i need a open source linux OS. Manyof them preferring fedora, I
> wish to work on fedora linux. It is very very difficult for me to
> download form the website directly. Please send me a copy of federo
> linux to my following office address:
> 
> R.Senthilkumar,
> s.com
> Lecturer,
> 
> Department of Electroncis and Communication Engineering,
> 
> Insitute of Road and Transport Technology,
> 
> Erode - 638316.
> 
> Tamilnadu,
> 
> India
> 
> Mobile No:9940882605
> 
> 
> 
By send do you mean by mail?
If so you can get it at:
www.cheapbytes.com
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Re: I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-24 Thread Ed Greshko
Matthew Flaschen wrote:
> Senthil Kumar wrote:
>   
>> Respected sir/madam, I am working as a lecturer in a reputed
>> engineering college.
>> 
>
> Well, as long as its a *reputed* engineering college head over to
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia#Fedora_Free_Media_Program_India
> .  Just make sure not to tell the upstart schools nobody's heard of.
>
>
>   
Sri Vasavi College is known in India.  You should try visiting it is
sometime.

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Re: I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-24 Thread Matthew Flaschen
Senthil Kumar wrote:
> Respected sir/madam, I am working as a lecturer in a reputed
> engineering college.

Well, as long as its a *reputed* engineering college head over to
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia#Fedora_Free_Media_Program_India
.  Just make sure not to tell the upstart schools nobody's heard of.

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Re: I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-24 Thread Frank Murphy
Frank Cox wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:56:05 +0530 (IST)
> Senthil Kumar wrote:
> 
>> Respected sir/madam,�I am working as a lecturer in a reputed engineering 
>> college. I am handling computer networks for Electronics and Communication 
>> Engineering students for this semester. In order to contact networks lab i 
>> need a open source linux OS. Manyof them preferring fedora, I wish to work 
>> on fedora linux. It is very very difficult for me to download form the 
>> website directly. Please send me a copy of federo linux to my following 
>> office address:R.Senthilkumar,Lecturer,Department of Electroncis and 
>> Communication Engineering,Insitute of Road and Transport Technology,Erode - 
>> 638316.Tamilnadu,IndiaMobile No:9940882605
> 
> Here is the URL that you need to go to to request free Fedora Media in your
> area:
> 
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/India
> 
> 

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Re: I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-24 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, Senthil Kumar wrote:

> Respected sir/madam,
>
>  I am working as a lecturer in a reputed engineering college. I am
> handling computer networks for Electronics and Communication
> Engineering students for this semester. In order to contact networks
> lab i need a open source linux OS. Manyof them preferring fedora, I
> wish to work on fedora linux. It is very very difficult for me to
> download form the website directly. Please send me a copy of federo
> linux to my following office address:

  not to make light of this, but how is it that you are "handling
computer networks" in a "reputed engineering college" and are unable
to download a copy of fedora?  that just seems weird.

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Re: I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-24 Thread Frank Cox
On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:56:05 +0530 (IST)
Senthil Kumar wrote:

> Respected sir/madam, I am working as a lecturer in a reputed engineering 
> college. I am handling computer networks for Electronics and Communication 
> Engineering students for this semester. In order to contact networks lab i 
> need a open source linux OS. Manyof them preferring fedora, I wish to work on 
> fedora linux. It is very very difficult for me to download form the website 
> directly. Please send me a copy of federo linux to my following office 
> address:R.Senthilkumar,Lecturer,Department of Electroncis and Communication 
> Engineering,Insitute of Road and Transport Technology,Erode - 
> 638316.Tamilnadu,IndiaMobile No:9940882605

Here is the URL that you need to go to to request free Fedora Media in your
area:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/India


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I need copy of fedora linux in DVD form -reg

2009-02-24 Thread Senthil Kumar
Respected sir/madam, I am working as a lecturer in a reputed engineering 
college. I am handling computer networks for Electronics and Communication 
Engineering students for this semester. In order to contact networks lab i need 
a open source linux OS. Manyof them preferring fedora, I wish to work on fedora 
linux. It is very very difficult for me to download form the website directly. 
Please send me a copy of federo linux to my following office 
address:R.Senthilkumar,Lecturer,Department of Electroncis and Communication 
Engineering,Insitute of Road and Transport Technology,Erode - 
638316.Tamilnadu,IndiaMobile No:9940882605


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