I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!?
Hi; I have sent 2 or three posts to the mailing list but have not received a return copy of those posts. I have double checked the archive list and the posts are there. My user profile is checked 'yes' to receive a copy of my own posts. It has always worked up to a couple of days ago. Is there a problem anyone knows about? -- Regards Bill Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.3 Evo.2.26.3, Emacs 23.1.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!?
2009/9/28 William Case : > Hi; > > I have sent 2 or three posts to the mailing list but have not received a > return copy of those posts. > > I have double checked the archive list and the posts are there. My user > profile is checked 'yes' to receive a copy of my own posts. It has > always worked up to a couple of days ago. > > Is there a problem anyone knows about? > > > -- > Regards Bill > Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.3 > Evo.2.26.3, Emacs 23.1.1 > Does it matter if you have a replay to your post (like now)? Can you see your message now? -- Hiisi. Registered Linux User #487982. Be counted at: http://counter.li.org/ -- Spandex is a privilege, not a right. -- SIP: hi...@ekiga.net -- pub 1024D/085B139A -- Powered by Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/27/2009 03:32 PM, William Case wrote: > Hi; > > I have sent 2 or three posts to the mailing list but have not received a > return copy of those posts. > > I have double checked the archive list and the posts are there. My user > profile is checked 'yes' to receive a copy of my own posts. It has > always worked up to a couple of days ago. > > Is there a problem anyone knows about? > > Does Yahoo work like Gmail? With Gmail, mail sent by you goes into sent mail when sent through a mailman list like this one. It just won't show up in the inbox at all. - -- Steve -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkq/0BwACgkQeERILVgMyvD41ACffk6+QXWkr8CBrgXmupzx5/WK 4FwAmwScMPGRTJw/WAhxVsd3mnGFIemO =/2th -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!?
Hi; On Sun, 2009-09-27 at 20:32 +, William Case wrote: > Hi; > > I have sent 2 or three posts to the mailing list but have not received a > return copy of those posts. > > I have double checked the archive list and the posts are there. My user > profile is checked 'yes' to receive a copy of my own posts. It has > always worked up to a couple of days ago. > > Is there a problem anyone knows about? Of course, just to be really annoying, fedora-list or my IP or Evolution decided to immediately return/show a copy of THIS post?!!? Sorry for the noise, unless it happens again. -- Regards Bill Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.3 Evo.2.26.3, Emacs 23.1.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!?
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 00:37 +0400, Hiisi wrote: > 2009/9/28 William Case : > > Hi; > > > > I have sent 2 or three posts to the mailing list but have not received a > > return copy of those posts. > > > > I have double checked the archive list and the posts are there. My user > > profile is checked 'yes' to receive a copy of my own posts. It has > > always worked up to a couple of days ago. > > > > Is there a problem anyone knows about? > > > > > > -- > > Regards Bill > > Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.3 > > Evo.2.26.3, Emacs 23.1.1 > > > > Does it matter if you have a replay to your post (like now)? Can you > see your message now? Yes I can see your reply. However, there are 2 previous posts that have never shown up here but are in the archives, and one other that took over a day to appear and only after I re-sent it when I originally thought *I* had done something to make it disappear. I thought it might have been my Evolution filters, but I have double checked them and they are correct. I also checked that the posts never made it back into my inbox. The likely culprit is my IP. I use rogers.com here in Ottawa, Canada. Rogers has a bit of a reputation of screwing around with their system on weekends without telling anybody. -- Regards Bill Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.3 Evo.2.26.3, Emacs 23.1.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!?
Hi Hiisi On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 00:37 +0400, Hiisi wrote: > 2009/9/28 William Case : > > Does it matter if you have a replay to your post (like now)? Can you > see your message now? > > Can you see your message now? I sent a message over a half an hour ago replying 'Yes' to your query; but that 'yes' response hasn't shown up here yet although it is in the archive. The usual turnaround time is about 1 to 2 minutes. The first two messages that I sent on this thread made it through instantly. > Does it matter if you have a replay to your post (like now)? To me, yes for five reasons: 1) I want to keep my threads together and not have to check back and forth between the 'Sent' folder and my 'Fedora List' folder. 2) I have a filter set up so that anything from a mailing list that was sent to the mailing list by is labeled in Green (Personal) -- that allows me to easily find the threads I am following or am engaged in. That filter is still working properly for other mailing lists. 3) I hadn't changed, fiddled or tweaked anything intentionally. There is no logical reason why something should change. 4) Emails, Evolution and mail filters is something I thought I had mastered. If I am not getting a re-send that is my fault, I want to figure out what I did wrong. 5) Because I don't know what I don't know, I may be losing other people's posts to this list without being aware of it. Now, lets see if this post comes back. -- Regards Bill Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.3 Evo.2.26.3, Emacs 23.1.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!?
2009/9/28 William Case : > Hi Hiisi > On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 00:37 +0400, Hiisi wrote: >> 2009/9/28 William Case : > >> >> Does it matter if you have a replay to your post (like now)? Can you >> see your message now? >> > >> Can you see your message now? > > I sent a message over a half an hour ago replying 'Yes' to your query; > but that 'yes' response hasn't shown up here yet although it is in the > archive. The usual turnaround time is about 1 to 2 minutes. The first > two messages that I sent on this thread made it through instantly. > OK. We have here two messages from you, the second arrived about a half of an hour after the first one. >> Does it matter if you have a replay to your post (like now)? > > To me, yes for five reasons: > <--SNIP--> > > Now, lets see if this post comes back. > > -- > Regards Bill > Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.3 > Evo.2.26.3, Emacs 23.1.1 > Recently I had similar problem with my messages. But in my case I new exactly where problem laid. I used rambler.ru here in Moscow, Russia. And they have the same reputation of 'screwing around with their system on weekends without telling anybody' ;-) My solution was to sign up in gmail, then set up my old address as 'reply-to' in gmail and forward all messages to the new mailbox from the old one. You could then unsubscribe the old address from list-messages and subscribe for it on the new one. Hope that helps. In my opinion gmail is the best mail-provider I've ever used. But I use web-mail, not programs like evolution or kmail... -- Hiisi. Registered Linux User #487982. Be counted at: http://counter.li.org/ -- Spandex is a privilege, not a right. -- SIP: hi...@ekiga.net -- pub 1024D/085B139A -- Powered by Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!?
William Case wrote: > I sent a message over a half an hour ago replying 'Yes' to your query; > but that 'yes' response hasn't shown up here yet although it is in the > archive. The usual turnaround time is about 1 to 2 minutes. The first > two messages that I sent on this thread made it through instantly. have a look at timestamps in header to get an idea of where emails are getting delayed. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!?
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 10:06 +0400, Hiisi wrote: > In my opinion gmail is the best mail-provider I've > ever used. But I use web-mail, not programs like evolution or kmail... These are not mutually exclusive. I use Gmail for most of my lists, but do it via IMAP through Evolution. I then always have the webmail interface as a fallback in case Evo screws up (not that it ever does of course :-), plus I can keep complete archives and search them very quickly, take advantage of Gmail's excvellent spam filtering, etc. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!?
> Hi; > > I have sent 2 or three posts to the mailing list but have not received a > return copy of those posts. > > I have double checked the archive list and the posts are there. My user > profile is checked 'yes' to receive a copy of my own posts. It has > always worked up to a couple of days ago. > > Is there a problem anyone knows about? I've had the same problem. I thought the culprit was my email service provider, altern. So, maybe not. Now everything is back to normal. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!?
>> Hi; >> >> I have sent 2 or three posts to the mailing list but have not received a >> return copy of those posts. >> >> I have double checked the archive list and the posts are there. My user >> profile is checked 'yes' to receive a copy of my own posts. It has >> always worked up to a couple of days ago. >> >> Is there a problem anyone knows about? > > I've had the same problem. I thought the culprit was my email service > provider, altern. So, maybe not. > > Now everything is back to normal. oops! Forget about this one. I also sent a message from my ISP account to altern and it didn't appear either. So there was a problem at altern. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!? [SOLVED - kinda]
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 10:06 +0400, Hiisi wrote: > 2009/9/28 William Case : > > Hi Hiisi > > On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 00:37 +0400, Hiisi wrote: > >> 2009/9/28 William Case : > > > >> > >> Does it matter if you have a replay to your post (like now)? Can you > >> see your message now? > >> > > > >> Can you see your message now? > > > > I sent a message over a half an hour ago replying 'Yes' to your query; > > but that 'yes' response hasn't shown up here yet although it is in the > > archive. The usual turnaround time is about 1 to 2 minutes. The first > > two messages that I sent on this thread made it through instantly. > > > The 'yes' response which was sent about a half hour - 45 minutes before the second response arrived here about an hour after the second message i.e. about 2 hours after sending. > OK. We have here two messages from you, the second arrived about a > half of an hour after the first one. > The second message, a reply to "does it matter" arrived first about 1-2 minutes after sending. I also noticed that even for a thread that wasn't mine, I received a users response about 1/2 an hour before I received the original post. > > Recently I had similar problem with my messages. But in my case I new > exactly where problem laid. I used rambler.ru here in Moscow, Russia. > And they have the same reputation of 'screwing around with their > system on weekends without telling anybody' ;-) My solution was to > sign up in gmail, then set up my old address as 'reply-to' in gmail > and forward all messages to the new mailbox from the old one. You > could then unsubscribe the old address from list-messages and > subscribe for it on the new one. > Hope that helps. In my opinion gmail is the best mail-provider I've > ever used. But I use web-mail, not programs like evolution or kmail... For the time being I am going to drop the issue, as things seem to be straightening out. Just for future reference, and to add to my own personal knowledge, I wish I had a better idea of what was going on. I have wasted 2 or 3 hours try to figure out what I did wrong when I probably haven't done anything I shouldn't have. It would be nice to be able to recognize the source of this kind of problem. -- Regards Bill Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.3 Evo.2.26.3, Emacs 23.1.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!? [SOLVED - kinda]
William Case wrote: > Just for future reference, and to add to my own personal knowledge, > I wish I had a better idea of what was going on. I have wasted 2 or > 3 hours try to figure out what I did wrong when I probably haven't > done anything I shouldn't have. It would be nice to be able to > recognize the source of this kind of problem. Have you checked the Received headers of the messages in question? It's quite possible that one of the hops along the way was the source of the delay. Greylisting or other anti-spam tactics might be the cause. -- ToddOpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ Remember, there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over. -- Frank Zappa pgp2xZ2WGH9bO.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!? [SOLVED - kinda]
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 10:37 -0400, William Case wrote: > Just for future reference, and to add to my own personal knowledge, I > wish I had a better idea of what was going on. I have wasted 2 or 3 > hours try to figure out what I did wrong when I probably haven't done > anything I shouldn't have. It would be nice to be able to recognize > the source of this kind of problem. Bill, in my days as the guy where the buck stops for a University user community, one of the things I constantly had to explain was that email doesn't obey strict rules of time-ordering as seen by the user, and the fact that a message hasn't arrived *yet* wasn't necessarily my fault. It's quite illuminating to study how email actually works, end-to-end. It's enormously more complex than most people realize, in fact it's something of a miracle that it works at all :-) poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!? [SOLVED - kinda]
Hi Todd; On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 10:11 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > William Case wrote: > > Just for future reference, and to add to my own personal knowledge, > > I wish I had a better idea of what was going on. I have wasted 2 or > > 3 hours try to figure out what I did wrong when I probably haven't > > done anything I shouldn't have. It would be nice to be able to > > recognize the source of this kind of problem. > > Have you checked the Received headers of the messages in question? > It's quite possible that one of the hops along the way was the source > of the delay. Greylisting or other anti-spam tactics might be the > cause. > No reply necessary, but just to point out the irony. The quote from a post of mine you refer to above is from a message I sent to this list over 6 hours ago, which you have obviously received, but I have not. -- Regards Bill Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.3 Evo.2.26.3, Emacs 23.1.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!? [SOLVED - kinda]
Hi; On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 10:11 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Have you checked the Received headers of the messages in question? No I hadn't. I am not sure what I would be looking for. > It's quite possible that one of the hops along the way was the source > of the delay. Greylisting or other anti-spam tactics might be the > cause. Nonetheless, on your suggestion I looked at the headers of a) a message that had an instant turn around and b) one that took a whole day, but I couldn't see anything significant other the warning in both about domainkeys=fail (bad syntax); a) instant re-send from fedora list. X-Apparently-To: billli...@rogers.com via 216.39.53.226; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:59:53 -0700 X-YMailISG: ezCtjOkWLDsRdjTjVknEO_zOJjKbn4xz13hWacO.WxYrKv.6JNNt.rY.tNU5yuBdOlRpY8jpCe0VwyslCB.g1UGA2SUWXj_I.0TssHSHI8YjPJElpdf2yKKIhuKh4R_9MtXwgc1dciWm1hIGF3_147EZVAiGylRVRRilDQpXGz4XVEzVeuR51xUn4b3Bm_IV68ApXC8TpTuAQz8edG2ZgRTWzG9xD96vpevMDVX9YbtCkBHmkcSeojuCkMgOz63Kp5lC.AhZBXYLbXx1Pg5JLGep1CY_PlgBGxHLTfH9bL0K0ejE3kQ03lbBX_8tmE2eGyuNXo7ENoYj7q9fVrCzIoPQvU7OHbnfSscJAxc4QU.4cISXOoDN2tTPNHwCrpNmJzpz7.9hnQOEMQzGvQ-- X-Originating-IP: [209.132.177.33] Authentication-Results: mta108.rog.mail.sp1.yahoo.com from=redhat.com; domainkeys=fail (bad syntax); from=redhat.com; dkim=neutral (no sig) Received: from 209.132.177.33 (EHLO hormel.redhat.com) (209.132.177.33) by mta108.rog.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:59:52 -0700 Received: from listman.util.phx.redhat.com (listman.util.phx.redhat.com [10.8.4.110]) by hormel.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82CAA618E65; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx01.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (nat-pool.util.phx.redhat.com [10.8.5.200]) by listman.util.phx.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n8RKZCNU006740 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:35:12 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx04.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.8]) by int-mx01.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n8RKZB8f011863 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:35:12 -0400 Received: from smtp119.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp119.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.224.74]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id n8RKYxXu024407 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:35:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 82241 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2009 20:34:59 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Subject:From:To:Content-Type:Date:Message-Id:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zjqQXXw1eWiZCClwcdAg3eMCwiOhwAry/eaKnr6TSUXIGesK5Ibd3zpqAmygZeX98DAexQyPk5+nSrs1AL+BbBBxyppZojo1u/f8NzZGqX42+p2CbdkbD/0LCV91tHjdKPRjyqYS88rVrdrQTgoS4+cGXWihg1M7z/FApYHcsJk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (billli...@99.245.242.191 with plain) by smtp119.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2009 20:34:59 - X-YMail-OSG: KAqppJIVM1lR_01CEixbanPuHkLNvwtaCGtpVi4LmO4FKqqEYlnzsejNhPDSXUb7sQ-- From: William Case To: Fedora List Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:32:29 + Message-Id: <1254083549.4957.58.ca...@case> b) 20+ hour delay re-send from fedora list. X-Apparently-To: billli...@rogers.com via 216.39.53.230; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:16:33 -0700 X-YMailISG: OnUe9J8WLDv9VRey9GV_nmAE_fanaGY0HbDMWDkXKeYA75cxVet83iUfQ4eI46aKbktGqQJN5zgVwmhu8CK4eAI.YH8pMAKOMFVlmeSEToLyxFfsq8h4ZUpVfdzzyeJMLW2_JP381_peupAqlY_CFkfVdcsKJH4rBoglxCuVVsJrAcYbgkasrCk7u4SSdHiGFsTBMW0xxziK5OBrq58FdD6lQTgl.j0LK0zDPv7XPkqEFHSbYt6Hr8YB1cnEnokSm669aFzLQdv3E4.KHqteb27MIe6AG2.vSLplWNvc9_RMqfFEXJF_WEsjaSMlwedNckCHfJ0S3ni9Le_cBYKERQjvGzFSgOqv_iwjLFYqh7asOxsr0qqsc3OoVdjA25.qCHq2ZpR5iuV5UGkP4w-- X-Originating-IP: [209.132.177.33] Authentication-Results: mta108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com from=redhat.com; domainkeys=fail (bad syntax); from=redhat.com; dkim=neutral (no sig) Received: from 209.132.177.33 (EHLO hormel.redhat.com) (209.132.177.33) by mta108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:16:33 -0700 Received: from listman.util.phx.redhat.com (listman.util.phx.redhat.com [10.8.4.110]) by hormel.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89821619323; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx03.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (nat-pool.util.phx.redhat.com [10.8.5.200]) by listman.util.phx.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n8S1EsKx007371 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:14:54 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx03.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.7]) by int-mx03.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n8S1Esu5031734 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:14:54 -0400 Received: from smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.83]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id n8S1EgDh031989 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:14:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 52082 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2009 01:14:42 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yaho
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!? [SOLVED - kinda]
Hi Bill, William Case wrote: > On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 10:11 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > >> Have you checked the Received headers of the messages in question? > > No I hadn't. I am not sure what I would be looking for. Ahh. Well, you'd want to follow the received headers to watch as each mail server passed the mail along. There will be date stamps. It can often be useful to note when there is a long delay where it occurs, as it can tell you who's system is letting the mail sit. Let's take a look here... > a) instant re-send from fedora list. [...] > Received: from 209.132.177.33 (EHLO hormel.redhat.com) (209.132.177.33) > by mta108.rog.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:59:52 -0700 > Received: from listman.util.phx.redhat.com (listman.util.phx.redhat.com > [10.8.4.110]) by hormel.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82CAA618E65; > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:35:15 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from int-mx01.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com > (nat-pool.util.phx.redhat.com [10.8.5.200]) by listman.util.phx.redhat.com > (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n8RKZCNU006740 for > ; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:35:12 -0400 > Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx04.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com > [10.5.110.8]) by int-mx01.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) > with ESMTP id n8RKZB8f011863 for ; > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:35:12 -0400 > Received: from smtp119.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com > (smtp119.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.224.74]) by mx1.redhat.com > (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id n8RKYxXu024407 for ; > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:35:00 -0400 > Received: (qmail 82241 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2009 20:34:59 - [...] > Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (billli...@99.245.242.191 > with plain) by smtp119.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; > 27 Sep 2009 20:34:59 - The headers are generally added on top, so the last one in the list above is you connecting to your SMTP server to send the mail. That happened at 20:34:59 - (or 16:34:59 EDT). It went from there to another yahoo.com server before getting to redhat.com and winding through the mailman listserver software and coming back out of redhat.com to yahoo at 13:59:52 -0700 (or 16:59:52 EDT). So this had about a 25 minute round trip. > b) 20+ hour delay re-send from fedora list. > Received: from 209.132.177.33 (EHLO hormel.redhat.com) (209.132.177.33) > by mta108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:16:33 -0700 > Received: from listman.util.phx.redhat.com (listman.util.phx.redhat.com > [10.8.4.110]) by hormel.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89821619323; > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:14:58 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from int-mx03.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com > (nat-pool.util.phx.redhat.com [10.8.5.200]) by listman.util.phx.redhat.com > (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n8S1EsKx007371 for > ; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:14:54 -0400 > Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx03.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com > [10.5.110.7]) by int-mx03.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) > with ESMTP id n8S1Esu5031734 for ; > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:14:54 -0400 > Received: from smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com > (smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.83]) by mx1.redhat.com > (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id n8S1EgDh031989 for ; > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:14:42 -0400 > Received: (qmail 52082 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2009 01:14:42 - [...] > Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (billli...@99.245.242.191 > with plain) by smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; > 28 Sep 2009 01:14:41 - This one was sent at 01:14:41 - (or 21:14:41 EDT) and arrived back at yahoo.com at 19:16:33 -0700 (or 22:16:33 EDT). So it only had a 1 hour delay. If it took 20 hours for you to see it, the problem surely didn't have anything to do with the list software. It would be with yahoo.com or something local to your system (I don't know if you're reading this via webmail or fetching it via POP3 or IMAP). -- ToddOpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ Once ... in the wilds of Afghanistan, I lost my corkscrew, and we were forced to live on nothing but food and water for days. -- W.C. Fields pgp69XdBZKe2n.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!? [SOLVED - kinda]
Thanks poc; On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 11:29 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 10:37 -0400, William Case wrote: > > Just for future reference, and to add to my own personal knowledge, I > > wish I had a better idea of what was going on. I have wasted 2 or 3 > > hours try to figure out what I did wrong when I probably haven't done > > anything I shouldn't have. It would be nice to be able to recognize > > the source of this kind of problem. > > Bill, in my days as the guy where the buck stops for a University user > community, one of the things I constantly had to explain was that email > doesn't obey strict rules of time-ordering as seen by the user, and the > fact that a message hasn't arrived *yet* wasn't necessarily my fault. > > It's quite illuminating to study how email actually works, end-to-end. I have had the opportunity to read a great deal about email messaging, internet packets and protocols. So, I am not starting at stage zero. However, this is the first time I have had a real question rather than just a theoretical one. For that reason alone, to me, the question of delayed reception of emails is worth pursuing. > It's enormously more complex than most people realize, in fact it's > something of a miracle that it works at all :-) I understand that it is a complex question and that emails are not guaranteed to arrive in a set order but can bounce around all over the place. However, in this case, something that has not been 'normal' in the past is now happening. It makes the question of what is causing the delay worthwhile for me to investigate, if only to learn a practical side of this 'email thing'. -- Regards Bill Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.3 Evo.2.26.3, Emacs 23.1.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!? [SOLVED - kinda]
On 09/28/2009 10:33 PM, William Case wrote: I understand that it is a complex question and that emails are not guaranteed to arrive in a set order but can bounce around all over the place. However, in this case, something that has not been 'normal' in the past is now happening. It makes the question of what is causing the delay worthwhile for me to investigate, if only to learn a practical side of this 'email thing'. That's fine, just so long as you realize the problem is often in some intermediate system over which you have no control. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Bulk] Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!? [SOLVED - kinda]
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 16:22 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Hi Bill, > > William Case wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 10:11 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > > > >> Have you checked the Received headers of the messages in question? > > > > No I hadn't. I am not sure what I would be looking for. > > Ahh. Well, you'd want to follow the received headers to watch as each > mail server passed the mail along. There will be date stamps. It can > often be useful to note when there is a long delay where it occurs, as > it can tell you who's system is letting the mail sit. > > Let's take a look here... > > > a) instant re-send from fedora list. > [...] > > > The headers are generally added on top, so the last one in the list > above is you connecting to your SMTP server to send the mail. That > happened at 20:34:59 - (or 16:34:59 EDT). It went from there to > another yahoo.com server before getting to redhat.com and winding > through the mailman listserver software and coming back out of > redhat.com to yahoo at 13:59:52 -0700 (or 16:59:52 EDT). So this had > about a 25 minute round trip. > > > b) 20+ hour delay re-send from fedora list. > This one was sent at 01:14:41 - (or 21:14:41 EDT) and arrived back > at yahoo.com at 19:16:33 -0700 (or 22:16:33 EDT). So it only had a 1 > hour delay. If it took 20 hours for you to see it, the problem surely > didn't have anything to do with the list software. It would be with > yahoo.com or something local to your system (I don't know if you're > reading this via webmail or fetching it via POP3 or IMAP). Thanks Todd. Now that I know what I am looking for and where to look I'll watch a few and see what I can figure out. -- Regards Bill Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.3 Evo.2.26.3, Emacs 23.1.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
