Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!? [SOLVED - kinda]
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 10:06 +0400, Hiisi wrote: 2009/9/28 William Case billli...@rogers.com: Hi Hiisi On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 00:37 +0400, Hiisi wrote: 2009/9/28 William Case billli...@rogers.com: Does it matter if you have a replay to your post (like now)? Can you see your message now? Can you see your message now? I sent a message over a half an hour ago replying 'Yes' to your query; but that 'yes' response hasn't shown up here yet although it is in the archive. The usual turnaround time is about 1 to 2 minutes. The first two messages that I sent on this thread made it through instantly. The 'yes' response which was sent about a half hour - 45 minutes before the second response arrived here about an hour after the second message i.e. about 2 hours after sending. OK. We have here two messages from you, the second arrived about a half of an hour after the first one. The second message, a reply to does it matter arrived first about 1-2 minutes after sending. I also noticed that even for a thread that wasn't mine, I received a users response about 1/2 an hour before I received the original post. Recently I had similar problem with my messages. But in my case I new exactly where problem laid. I used rambler.ru here in Moscow, Russia. And they have the same reputation of 'screwing around with their system on weekends without telling anybody' ;-) My solution was to sign up in gmail, then set up my old address as 'reply-to' in gmail and forward all messages to the new mailbox from the old one. You could then unsubscribe the old address from list-messages and subscribe for it on the new one. Hope that helps. In my opinion gmail is the best mail-provider I've ever used. But I use web-mail, not programs like evolution or kmail... For the time being I am going to drop the issue, as things seem to be straightening out. Just for future reference, and to add to my own personal knowledge, I wish I had a better idea of what was going on. I have wasted 2 or 3 hours try to figure out what I did wrong when I probably haven't done anything I shouldn't have. It would be nice to be able to recognize the source of this kind of problem. -- Regards Bill Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.3 Evo.2.26.3, Emacs 23.1.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!? [SOLVED - kinda]
William Case wrote: Just for future reference, and to add to my own personal knowledge, I wish I had a better idea of what was going on. I have wasted 2 or 3 hours try to figure out what I did wrong when I probably haven't done anything I shouldn't have. It would be nice to be able to recognize the source of this kind of problem. Have you checked the Received headers of the messages in question? It's quite possible that one of the hops along the way was the source of the delay. Greylisting or other anti-spam tactics might be the cause. -- ToddOpenPGP - KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ Remember, there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over. -- Frank Zappa pgp2xZ2WGH9bO.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!? [SOLVED - kinda]
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 10:37 -0400, William Case wrote: Just for future reference, and to add to my own personal knowledge, I wish I had a better idea of what was going on. I have wasted 2 or 3 hours try to figure out what I did wrong when I probably haven't done anything I shouldn't have. It would be nice to be able to recognize the source of this kind of problem. Bill, in my days as the guy where the buck stops for a University user community, one of the things I constantly had to explain was that email doesn't obey strict rules of time-ordering as seen by the user, and the fact that a message hasn't arrived *yet* wasn't necessarily my fault. It's quite illuminating to study how email actually works, end-to-end. It's enormously more complex than most people realize, in fact it's something of a miracle that it works at all :-) poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!? [SOLVED - kinda]
Hi Todd; On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 10:11 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: William Case wrote: Just for future reference, and to add to my own personal knowledge, I wish I had a better idea of what was going on. I have wasted 2 or 3 hours try to figure out what I did wrong when I probably haven't done anything I shouldn't have. It would be nice to be able to recognize the source of this kind of problem. Have you checked the Received headers of the messages in question? It's quite possible that one of the hops along the way was the source of the delay. Greylisting or other anti-spam tactics might be the cause. No reply necessary, but just to point out the irony. The quote from a post of mine you refer to above is from a message I sent to this list over 6 hours ago, which you have obviously received, but I have not. -- Regards Bill Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.3 Evo.2.26.3, Emacs 23.1.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!? [SOLVED - kinda]
Hi; On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 10:11 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: Have you checked the Received headers of the messages in question? No I hadn't. I am not sure what I would be looking for. It's quite possible that one of the hops along the way was the source of the delay. Greylisting or other anti-spam tactics might be the cause. Nonetheless, on your suggestion I looked at the headers of a) a message that had an instant turn around and b) one that took a whole day, but I couldn't see anything significant other the warning in both about domainkeys=fail (bad syntax); a) instant re-send from fedora list. X-Apparently-To: billli...@rogers.com via 216.39.53.226; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:59:53 -0700 X-YMailISG: ezCtjOkWLDsRdjTjVknEO_zOJjKbn4xz13hWacO.WxYrKv.6JNNt.rY.tNU5yuBdOlRpY8jpCe0VwyslCB.g1UGA2SUWXj_I.0TssHSHI8YjPJElpdf2yKKIhuKh4R_9MtXwgc1dciWm1hIGF3_147EZVAiGylRVRRilDQpXGz4XVEzVeuR51xUn4b3Bm_IV68ApXC8TpTuAQz8edG2ZgRTWzG9xD96vpevMDVX9YbtCkBHmkcSeojuCkMgOz63Kp5lC.AhZBXYLbXx1Pg5JLGep1CY_PlgBGxHLTfH9bL0K0ejE3kQ03lbBX_8tmE2eGyuNXo7ENoYj7q9fVrCzIoPQvU7OHbnfSscJAxc4QU.4cISXOoDN2tTPNHwCrpNmJzpz7.9hnQOEMQzGvQ-- X-Originating-IP: [209.132.177.33] Authentication-Results: mta108.rog.mail.sp1.yahoo.com from=redhat.com; domainkeys=fail (bad syntax); from=redhat.com; dkim=neutral (no sig) Received: from 209.132.177.33 (EHLO hormel.redhat.com) (209.132.177.33) by mta108.rog.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:59:52 -0700 Received: from listman.util.phx.redhat.com (listman.util.phx.redhat.com [10.8.4.110]) by hormel.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82CAA618E65; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx01.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (nat-pool.util.phx.redhat.com [10.8.5.200]) by listman.util.phx.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n8RKZCNU006740 for fedora-l...@listman.util.phx.redhat.com; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:35:12 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx04.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.8]) by int-mx01.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n8RKZB8f011863 for fedora-list@redhat.com; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:35:12 -0400 Received: from smtp119.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp119.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.224.74]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id n8RKYxXu024407 for fedora-list@redhat.com; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:35:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 82241 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2009 20:34:59 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Subject:From:To:Content-Type:Date:Message-Id:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zjqQXXw1eWiZCClwcdAg3eMCwiOhwAry/eaKnr6TSUXIGesK5Ibd3zpqAmygZeX98DAexQyPk5+nSrs1AL+BbBBxyppZojo1u/f8NzZGqX42+p2CbdkbD/0LCV91tHjdKPRjyqYS88rVrdrQTgoS4+cGXWihg1M7z/FApYHcsJk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (billli...@99.245.242.191 with plain) by smtp119.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2009 20:34:59 - X-YMail-OSG: KAqppJIVM1lR_01CEixbanPuHkLNvwtaCGtpVi4LmO4FKqqEYlnzsejNhPDSXUb7sQ-- From: William Case billli...@rogers.com To: Fedora List fedora-list@redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:32:29 + Message-Id: 1254083549.4957.58.ca...@case b) 20+ hour delay re-send from fedora list. X-Apparently-To: billli...@rogers.com via 216.39.53.230; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:16:33 -0700 X-YMailISG: OnUe9J8WLDv9VRey9GV_nmAE_fanaGY0HbDMWDkXKeYA75cxVet83iUfQ4eI46aKbktGqQJN5zgVwmhu8CK4eAI.YH8pMAKOMFVlmeSEToLyxFfsq8h4ZUpVfdzzyeJMLW2_JP381_peupAqlY_CFkfVdcsKJH4rBoglxCuVVsJrAcYbgkasrCk7u4SSdHiGFsTBMW0xxziK5OBrq58FdD6lQTgl.j0LK0zDPv7XPkqEFHSbYt6Hr8YB1cnEnokSm669aFzLQdv3E4.KHqteb27MIe6AG2.vSLplWNvc9_RMqfFEXJF_WEsjaSMlwedNckCHfJ0S3ni9Le_cBYKERQjvGzFSgOqv_iwjLFYqh7asOxsr0qqsc3OoVdjA25.qCHq2ZpR5iuV5UGkP4w-- X-Originating-IP: [209.132.177.33] Authentication-Results: mta108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com from=redhat.com; domainkeys=fail (bad syntax); from=redhat.com; dkim=neutral (no sig) Received: from 209.132.177.33 (EHLO hormel.redhat.com) (209.132.177.33) by mta108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:16:33 -0700 Received: from listman.util.phx.redhat.com (listman.util.phx.redhat.com [10.8.4.110]) by hormel.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89821619323; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx03.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (nat-pool.util.phx.redhat.com [10.8.5.200]) by listman.util.phx.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n8S1EsKx007371 for fedora-l...@listman.util.phx.redhat.com; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:14:54 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com (ext-mx03.extmail.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.110.7]) by int-mx03.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n8S1Esu5031734 for fedora-list@redhat.com; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:14:54 -0400 Received: from smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.83]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id n8S1EgDh031989 for fedora-list@redhat.com; Sun,
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!? [SOLVED - kinda]
Thanks poc; On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 11:29 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 10:37 -0400, William Case wrote: Just for future reference, and to add to my own personal knowledge, I wish I had a better idea of what was going on. I have wasted 2 or 3 hours try to figure out what I did wrong when I probably haven't done anything I shouldn't have. It would be nice to be able to recognize the source of this kind of problem. Bill, in my days as the guy where the buck stops for a University user community, one of the things I constantly had to explain was that email doesn't obey strict rules of time-ordering as seen by the user, and the fact that a message hasn't arrived *yet* wasn't necessarily my fault. It's quite illuminating to study how email actually works, end-to-end. I have had the opportunity to read a great deal about email messaging, internet packets and protocols. So, I am not starting at stage zero. However, this is the first time I have had a real question rather than just a theoretical one. For that reason alone, to me, the question of delayed reception of emails is worth pursuing. It's enormously more complex than most people realize, in fact it's something of a miracle that it works at all :-) I understand that it is a complex question and that emails are not guaranteed to arrive in a set order but can bounce around all over the place. However, in this case, something that has not been 'normal' in the past is now happening. It makes the question of what is causing the delay worthwhile for me to investigate, if only to learn a practical side of this 'email thing'. -- Regards Bill Fedora 11, Gnome 2.26.3 Evo.2.26.3, Emacs 23.1.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I think something is 'stuck' on the fedoara-list ?!? [SOLVED - kinda]
On 09/28/2009 10:33 PM, William Case wrote: I understand that it is a complex question and that emails are not guaranteed to arrive in a set order but can bounce around all over the place. However, in this case, something that has not been 'normal' in the past is now happening. It makes the question of what is causing the delay worthwhile for me to investigate, if only to learn a practical side of this 'email thing'. That's fine, just so long as you realize the problem is often in some intermediate system over which you have no control. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
