Re: Lost Files

2009-04-25 Thread suvayu ali
2009/4/24 Robert Nichols rnicholsnos...@comcast.net:
 jolmstead wrote:

 I don't think I was clear enough on this, but the /media/disk location was
 actually the Windows Vista partition.  And, like I said, from the command
 prompt I created a folder in the root C: drive (which was /media/disk) and
 then copied everything there.  I verified every thing was there from the
 command prompt using ls and then removed it from the /home/user folder.
  It
 wasn't until I booted into Vista that the data appeared to be lost.
  Nothing
 was every interrupted and I did a standard shut down and restart to get to
 Vista.  Does this change anything or is all hope lost?

 /media/disk is usually a mount point that is dynamically created when an
 external drive with an unlabeled partition is hotplugged, so it's a fairly
 unusual location for mounting a partition on an internal disk.  Presumably,
 you manually created the directory and mounted the Vista partition there.
 If you did any of that wrong, I can think of a couple of possibilities:


HAL does that. My XP partition gets mounted without my interference in
/media/label_of_c_drive.

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Re: Lost Files (Gene Heskett)

2009-04-25 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sat, 2009-04-25 at 12:09 +0800, 王召峰 wrote:
 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:11:30 -0400
 From: Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@verizon.net
 Subject: Re: Lost Files
 To: jolmste...@gmail.com,Community assistance, encouragement, and
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 Message-ID: 200904240611.30464.gene.hesk...@verizon.net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
 
 On Friday 24 April 2009, jolmstead wrote:
 I screwed up and now I am in a bad spot.  I hope someone can help me.
 I am
  pretty new to Linux.  I am just taking my first course and setup a
 laptop
  with Fedora Core 10 and Windows Vista dual booting.
 
 Because of so many bugs and my lack of expertise my wife wanted me to
 move
  all of her OpenOffice.org files from the Linux operating system to
 Vista. 
  So I thought I could just move everything from her home directory to
 the
  /media/disk directory and all would be good.
 
 Well, from the command prompt I created a folder in /media/disk and
 moved
  everything there.  Then I booted into Vista and the folder wasn't
 there.  I
  thought Windows maybe can't read the directory created by Linux so I
 went
  back to Linux and to my surprise it was missing from there too!  Now
 it's
  nowhere to be found and I'm afraid everything she had is lost.  Does
 anyone
  know of a way I can retrieve those files?
 
 I don't believe there is, unless someone has written an undelete for
 ext3.
 
Yes there is. It is called sleuthkit as I said earlier,, described in
Linux Journal April 2009.


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Lost Files

2009-04-24 Thread jolmstead
I screwed up and now I am in a bad spot.  I hope someone can help me.  I am 
pretty new to Linux.  I am just taking my first course and setup a laptop with 
Fedora Core 10 and Windows Vista dual booting.

Because of so many bugs and my lack of expertise my wife wanted me to move all 
of her OpenOffice.org files from the Linux operating system to Vista.  So I 
thought I could just move everything from her home directory to the /media/disk 
directory and all would be good.

Well, from the command prompt I created a folder in /media/disk and moved 
everything there.  Then I booted into Vista and the folder wasn't there.  I 
thought Windows maybe can't read the directory created by Linux so I went back 
to Linux and to my surprise it was missing from there too!  Now it's nowhere to 
be found and I'm afraid everything she had is lost.  Does anyone know of a way 
I can retrieve those files?

Thank you,
Jeremy


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Re: Lost Files

2009-04-24 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 08:35 +0200, jolmstead wrote:
 and my lack of expertise my wife wanted me to move all of her
 OpenOffice.org files from the Linux operating system to Vista.  So I
 thought I could just move everything from her home directory to
 the /media/disk directory and all would be good.
 
You're going to have to say what /media/disk refers to.  A plugged in
hard drive, flash drive, or some internal drive.

The /media directory is used to mount removable/temporary media in, with
the mounted media becoming a sub-directory inside it.  e.g. If I plugged
in a USB flash drive, it might be /media/usbdisk.  With some media is
not written to until you unmount it, at that point the contents are
written, *then* it is actually unmounted.  If you interrupt that
process, the files aren't written.

If you create a directory inside /media when there isn't actually any
media mounted in there, or using a name that's different from any
mounted media, you've just created an ordinary directory inside /media
on the file tree.  Any files inside it will still be there.

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Re: Lost Files

2009-04-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 24 April 2009, jolmstead wrote:
I screwed up and now I am in a bad spot.  I hope someone can help me.  I am
 pretty new to Linux.  I am just taking my first course and setup a laptop
 with Fedora Core 10 and Windows Vista dual booting.

Because of so many bugs and my lack of expertise my wife wanted me to move
 all of her OpenOffice.org files from the Linux operating system to Vista. 
 So I thought I could just move everything from her home directory to the
 /media/disk directory and all would be good.

Well, from the command prompt I created a folder in /media/disk and moved
 everything there.  Then I booted into Vista and the folder wasn't there.  I
 thought Windows maybe can't read the directory created by Linux so I went
 back to Linux and to my surprise it was missing from there too!  Now it's
 nowhere to be found and I'm afraid everything she had is lost.  Does anyone
 know of a way I can retrieve those files?

I don't believe there is, unless someone has written an undelete for ext3.

/media is generally used as a mount point, and you must have a disk actually 
mounted there for the files to be non-volatile.  I just did a similar thing 
with a new 1 TB disk, I thought I had it mounted to /mnt/amandatapes-1-T and 
ran my initialize script, then umounted it and mounted it where it really 
goes.  Didn't work, it must not have been mounted correctly.  Fortunately, 
there was nothing precious lost.

Basically, one should have a little paranoia and copy, then verify the copy is 
there before deleting the originals.  Regardless of the OS.

Thank you,
Jeremy


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Re: Lost Files

2009-04-24 Thread jolmstead
I don't think I was clear enough on this, but the /media/disk location was 
actually the Windows Vista partition.  And, like I said, from the command 
prompt I created a folder in the root C: drive (which was /media/disk) and then 
copied everything there.  I verified every thing was there from the command 
prompt using ls and then removed it from the /home/user folder.  It wasn't 
until I booted into Vista that the data appeared to be lost.  Nothing was every 
interrupted and I did a standard shut down and restart to get to Vista.  Does 
this change anything or is all hope lost?

Thanks,
Jeremy


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Re: Lost Files

2009-04-24 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 16:31 +0930, Tim wrote:
 On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 08:35 +0200, jolmstead wrote:
  and my lack of expertise my wife wanted me to move all of her
  OpenOffice.org files from the Linux operating system to Vista.  So I
  thought I could just move everything from her home directory to
  the /media/disk directory and all would be good.
  
 You're going to have to say what /media/disk refers to.  A plugged in
 hard drive, flash drive, or some internal drive.
In this case /media/disk is the part of the Windows disk available to
the Linux user. I have the same thing on my machine. moving rather than
copying was the mistake. But the files should be in subdirectories owned
by his wife. Or maybe since he did not have formal access to his wife's
directories they went into the bit bucket which would be too bad.
 
 The /media directory is used to mount removable/temporary media in, with
 the mounted media becoming a sub-directory inside it.  e.g. If I plugged
 in a USB flash drive, it might be /media/usbdisk.  With some media is
 not written to until you unmount it, at that point the contents are
 written, *then* it is actually unmounted.  If you interrupt that
 process, the files aren't written.
 
 If you create a directory inside /media when there isn't actually any
 media mounted in there, or using a name that's different from any
 mounted media, you've just created an ordinary directory inside /media
 on the file tree.  Any files inside it will still be there.
 
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Re: Lost Files

2009-04-24 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 06:11 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
 On Friday 24 April 2009, jolmstead wrote:
 I screwed up and now I am in a bad spot.  I hope someone can help me.  I am
  pretty new to Linux.  I am just taking my first course and setup a laptop
  with Fedora Core 10 and Windows Vista dual booting.
 
 Because of so many bugs and my lack of expertise my wife wanted me to move
  all of her OpenOffice.org files from the Linux operating system to Vista. 
  So I thought I could just move everything from her home directory to the
  /media/disk directory and all would be good.
 
 Well, from the command prompt I created a folder in /media/disk and moved
  everything there.  Then I booted into Vista and the folder wasn't there.  I
  thought Windows maybe can't read the directory created by Linux so I went
  back to Linux and to my surprise it was missing from there too!  Now it's
  nowhere to be found and I'm afraid everything she had is lost.  Does anyone
  know of a way I can retrieve those files?
 
 I don't believe there is, unless someone has written an undelete for ext3.
There is a way to undelete ext2 and ext3 files. It is called sleuthkit.
It is a collection of programs whose operation is described in the
current issue (may 2009) of Linux Journal in an article, When Disaster
Strikes: Attack of the rm Command, by Kyle Rankin on page 30.

Since it is the current issue even non-subscribers can probably see it
on the Linux Journal web site.
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Re: Lost Files

2009-04-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 24 April 2009, jolmstead wrote:
I don't think I was clear enough on this, but the /media/disk location was
 actually the Windows Vista partition.  And, like I said, from the command
 prompt I created a folder in the root C: drive (which was /media/disk) and
 then copied everything there.  I verified every thing was there from the
 command prompt using ls and then removed it from the /home/user folder.  It
 wasn't until I booted into Vista that the data appeared to be lost. 
 Nothing was every interrupted and I did a standard shut down and restart to
 get to Vista.  Does this change anything or is all hope lost?

Thanks,
Jeremy

I'm by no means a vista expert here as I generally don't touch windows with a 
20 foot fiberglass pole.  I have one xp partition on a lappy I haven't booted 
in nearly a year, so I'll shut up as I'm NOT being helpful.

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Re: Lost Files

2009-04-24 Thread Robert Nichols

jolmstead wrote:

I don't think I was clear enough on this, but the /media/disk location was
actually the Windows Vista partition.  And, like I said, from the command
prompt I created a folder in the root C: drive (which was /media/disk) and
then copied everything there.  I verified every thing was there from the
command prompt using ls and then removed it from the /home/user folder.  It
wasn't until I booted into Vista that the data appeared to be lost.  Nothing
was every interrupted and I did a standard shut down and restart to get to
Vista.  Does this change anything or is all hope lost?


/media/disk is usually a mount point that is dynamically created when an
external drive with an unlabeled partition is hotplugged, so it's a fairly
unusual location for mounting a partition on an internal disk.  Presumably,
you manually created the directory and mounted the Vista partition there.
If you did any of that wrong, I can think of a couple of possibilities:

  a) The Vista partition wasn't actually mounted when you did the copy.
 In that case you should be able to unmount anything currently on
 /media/disk and then see your files in the now exposed directory.
 (I'm really hoping you didn't manually delete that directory.  Doing
 rm -rf /media/disk or using File Manager to delete the directory
 would blow everything away.)

  b) You accidentally mounted something other than the Vista partition
 there, in which case your missing files are on some other disk
 partition.

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Re: Lost Files

2009-04-24 Thread Robin Laing

jolmstead wrote:

I don't think I was clear enough on this, but the /media/disk
location was actually the Windows Vista partition.  And, like I said,
from the command prompt I created a folder in the root C: drive
(which was /media/disk) and then copied everything there.  I verified
every thing was there from the command prompt using ls and then
removed it from the /home/user folder.  It wasn't until I booted into
Vista that the data appeared to be lost.  Nothing was every
interrupted and I did a standard shut down and restart to get to
Vista.  Does this change anything or is all hope lost?

Thanks, Jeremy




Have you copied files this way before with no problems?

I wonder if Vista may have moved the files because they were not 
supposed to be officially there.  All my Vista experiences have been 
disasters.


Look for undelete tools for Vista as well.

Another thing that I have happend in the past, is that the 
drive/partition wasn't mounted and I created the directories and moved 
files.  When the partition is mounted, the files are still existant but 
not visible.  Boot into Linux and make sure that the Vista partition is 
not mounted and check again.


I don't think udev or hal will delete files from /media.



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Re: Lost Files

2009-04-24 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 13:14 -0500, Robert Nichols wrote:
 jolmstead wrote:
  I don't think I was clear enough on this, but the /media/disk location was
  actually the Windows Vista partition.  And, like I said, from the command
  prompt I created a folder in the root C: drive (which was /media/disk) and
  then copied everything there.  I verified every thing was there from the
  command prompt using ls and then removed it from the /home/user folder.  It
  wasn't until I booted into Vista that the data appeared to be lost.  Nothing
  was every interrupted and I did a standard shut down and restart to get to
  Vista.  Does this change anything or is all hope lost?
 
 /media/disk is usually a mount point that is dynamically created when an
 external drive with an unlabeled partition is hotplugged, so it's a fairly
 unusual location for mounting a partition on an internal disk.  Presumably,
 you manually created the directory and mounted the Vista partition there.
 If you did any of that wrong, I can think of a couple of possibilities:
 
a) The Vista partition wasn't actually mounted when you did the copy.
   In that case you should be able to unmount anything currently on
   /media/disk and then see your files in the now exposed directory.
   (I'm really hoping you didn't manually delete that directory.  Doing
   rm -rf /media/disk or using File Manager to delete the directory
   would blow everything away.)
 
b) You accidentally mounted something other than the Vista partition
   there, in which case your missing files are on some other disk
   partition.

I am not a Vista expert but with my double booted XP - Linux the disk
mouted with the Windows XP stuff is muted on /media/disk without help
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Re: Lost Files (Gene Heskett)

2009-04-24 Thread 王召峰
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:11:30 -0400
From: Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@verizon.net
Subject: Re: Lost Files
To: jolmste...@gmail.com,    Community assistance, encouragement, and
    advice for using Fedora.    fedora-list@redhat.com
Message-ID: 200904240611.30464.gene.hesk...@verizon.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

On Friday 24 April 2009, jolmstead wrote:
I screwed up and now I am in a bad spot.  I hope someone can help me.  I am
 pretty new to Linux.  I am just taking my first course and setup a laptop
 with Fedora Core 10 and Windows Vista dual booting.

Because of so many bugs and my lack of expertise my wife wanted me to move
 all of her OpenOffice.org files from the Linux operating system to Vista. 
 So I thought I could just move everything from her home directory to the
 /media/disk directory and all would be good.

Well, from the command prompt I created a folder in /media/disk and moved
 everything there.  Then I booted into Vista and the folder wasn't there.  I
 thought Windows maybe can't read the directory created by Linux so I went
 back to Linux and to my surprise it was missing from there too!  Now it's
 nowhere to be found and I'm afraid everything she had is lost.  Does anyone
 know of a way I can retrieve those files?

I don't believe there is, unless someone has written an undelete for ext3.

/media is generally used as a mount point, and you must have a disk actually 
mounted there for the files to be non-volatile.  I just did a similar thing 
with a new 1 TB disk, I thought I had it mounted to /mnt/amandatapes-1-T and 
ran my initialize script, then umounted it and mounted it where it really 
goes.  Didn't work, it must not have been mounted correctly.  Fortunately, 
there was nothing precious lost.

Basically, one should have a little paranoia and copy, then verify the copy is 
there before deleting the originals.  Regardless of the OS.

Thank you,
Jeremy


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At last there is one thing you can try to retrieve your wife's files:
unmount the hard disk from your laptop and put it into a mobile hard disk box,
then on aother computer use data recovery tools like EasyRecovery to get your 
lost date back,
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