Re: Morph software
Paul-Erik Törrönen wrote: I Appreciate the offer, and you probably should publish for people looking for a Better late than never: http://poltsi.fi/Software/morphing_with_imagemagick.html As pointed out earlier in the thread, this isn't actually morphing in the sense the original poster was looking for. ImageMagick's morph switch just does superposition and interpolation of images (cross-dissolve) - it doesn't attempt to warp the source and target images to bring image features into alignment before interpolating, so it is only useful for simple images that already have close alignment. Regards, Bryn. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Morph software
Paul-Erik Törrönen wrote: I Appreciate the offer, and you probably should publish for people looking for a Better late than never: http://poltsi.fi/Software/morphing_with_imagemagick.html Unfortunately this seems more a fade than a morph. A useful feature, but not what's desired in this cae. But thanks for the pointer anyway. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Morph software
homb...@tips-q.com wrote: On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:11:24 -0500 Todd Denniston todd.dennis...@ssa.crane.navy.mil wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote, On 02/07/2009 11:13 PM: Paul-Erik Törrönen wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 16:02 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: I'm looking for some morphing software, to take two images, and generate some intermediate images to show the effect of a smooth transition from one to the other. One such program is the convert-command, which is part of the ImageMagick-package. I'd like to get Ann Coulter - Phyllis Shlafly ;-) but I digress. I checked through freshmeat, sourceforge and rpmfind. There are xmorph, morphine and XMRM. These are all 20th century packages and deprecated. Xmorph and morphine will not compile. XMRM (which otherwise looks like the most promising candidate) requires /usr/bin/mpeg which is unavailable. Linking mpeg to other encoders doesn't work. Perhaps something for win. will run in wine or a VM?? I found that xmrm.com is still there, but the link to the source isn't. If I could get the source, once I get a way to generate the individual images I can easily use ffmpeg to create a stream from the images, I do that for some various fun projects I have, and in fact that's kind of better from my point of view. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Morph software
homb...@tips-q.com wrote: On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:11:24 -0500 Todd Denniston todd.dennis...@ssa.crane.navy.mil wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote, On 02/07/2009 11:13 PM: Paul-Erik Törrönen wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 16:02 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: I'm looking for some morphing software, to take two images, and generate some intermediate images to show the effect of a smooth transition from one to the other. One such program is the convert-command, which is part of the ImageMagick-package. I'd like to get Ann Coulter - Phyllis Shlafly ;-) but I digress. s/Phyllis Shlafly/Rachael Maddow/ -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Morph software
Bill Davidsen wrote: I found that xmrm.com is still there, but the link to the source isn't. If I could get the source, once I get a way to generate the individual images I can easily use ffmpeg to create a stream from the images, I do that for some various fun projects I have, and in fact that's kind of better from my point of view. I found some sources patched for Mandrake 8 here: http://www.linuxfocus.org/common/src/article139/ Homburg pointed me to the download on Tucows although I could only find pre-built binaries there. They're statically linked however and do at least start up on a recent distro (f10) but I didn't have time to play and find out what breaks yet. Regards, Bryn. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Morph software
Bill Davidsen wrote, On 02/07/2009 11:13 PM: Paul-Erik Törrönen wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 16:02 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: I'm looking for some morphing software, to take two images, and generate some intermediate images to show the effect of a smooth transition from one to the other. One such program is the convert-command, which is part of the ImageMagick-package. It can do primitive shape morphing, for more information go here: http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/viewtopic.php?f=1t=11263 I've used convert only to do fade-morph frames between images taken of the same view, which then are fed to mencoder to produce a video. I can publish the shell-script which I created to accomplish this if you're interested? I Appreciate the offer, and you probably should publish for people looking for a fade solution, but I'm really looking for a full shape and color morph. I have an old program which I pulled off a Win98 machine which did a pretty good job, but it uses gif format, won't run under wine, and generally is pretty impractical other than as a proof of concept. I'm surprised at the lack, I'll keep looking. Search turned up a number of things which sounded hopeful but had serious issues between the description and the performance. Thanks for the pointer. with gimp load image 1 on image 1's window select File-Open as Layer- pick image 2 Open the Layers dialog insert a Layer that is background color (call it Clean). duplicate image 1's layer (Background). Sort the layers such that you see image 2 Background copy Clean Background Delete Background. on image 1's window select Script-Fu - Animators - Blend set number of frames, blur and if you want it looped (no loop I think.). hit OK. There is probably a way that you don't have to play with the layers as I did above, and figuring out how to save each layer (frame) as a frame file is left as an exorcise for the reader (involves making successive layers invisible and saving a frame). Also this was with gimp 2.2.12 so the names of the menus and scripts have probably been changed to protect the guilty. :) -- Todd Denniston Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Morph software
On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:11:24 -0500 Todd Denniston todd.dennis...@ssa.crane.navy.mil wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote, On 02/07/2009 11:13 PM: Paul-Erik Törrönen wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 16:02 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: I'm looking for some morphing software, to take two images, and generate some intermediate images to show the effect of a smooth transition from one to the other. One such program is the convert-command, which is part of the ImageMagick-package. I'd like to get Ann Coulter - Phyllis Shlafly ;-) but I digress. I checked through freshmeat, sourceforge and rpmfind. There are xmorph, morphine and XMRM. These are all 20th century packages and deprecated. Xmorph and morphine will not compile. XMRM (which otherwise looks like the most promising candidate) requires /usr/bin/mpeg which is unavailable. Linking mpeg to other encoders doesn't work. Perhaps something for win. will run in wine or a VM?? -- Neither Lifestyle nor Agenda http://www.tips-Q.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Morph software
Todd Denniston wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 16:02 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: I'm looking for some morphing software, to take two images, and generate some intermediate images to show the effect of a smooth transition from one to the other. with gimp load image 1 on image 1's window select File-Open as Layer- pick image 2 Open the Layers dialog insert a Layer that is background color (call it Clean). duplicate image 1's layer (Background). Sort the layers such that you see image 2 Background copy Clean Background Delete Background. on image 1's window select Script-Fu - Animators - Blend set number of frames, blur and if you want it looped (no loop I think.). hit OK. This still isn't what the OP is looking for afaict. Bill is asking about feature based image warping and metamorphosis - tools that either automatically identifies common features between two images or provides a means to manually specify feature alignment and that then non-linearly project the source and destination images according to some interpolation of these two feature sets, allowing a smooth transition from source to destination. The convert command -morph option performs simple superposition and interpolation of pixel size and value rather than feature based warping and interpolation. It's the effect used in Michael Jackson's Black or White music video. There are numerous algorithms that implement this type of morphing, from the very simple (e.g. Bayer-Neely field warping[1]) to the fiendishly complicated (spline surface energy minimisation[2]). A lot of the simpler morphing packages you'll find (there seem to be a tonne of shareware tools for Windows) implement an approach called mesh warping where a spline grid is overlaid on the source and target images and the operator adjusts the grid to identify the relationship between features in the two images. This method has the advantage of being fairly easy to implement while still offering reasonable control of feature placement (it's also the method used in the Jackson video). There's a GPL'ed mesh warping tool available here: http://xmorph.sourceforge.net/ I haven't found an awful lot of other open source morphing tools or libraries, although I'd be very happy to find counter examples to that. When I was looking at this stuff I needed the ability to freely specify feature constraints (so meshes weren't applicable) and had some constraints on the resulting morph functions (C2 continuity 1:1 properties) so I implemented an approach called multilevel free-form deformations or MFFD[3]. It's an interesting algorithm and I'd really like to go back to it one day and turn the work I did then into something more generally useful (as usual, time is the problem there :). Regards, Bryn. [1] T. Beier, S. Neely, Feature-Based Image Metamorphosis, siggraph 1992. http://www.hammerhead.com/thad/morph.html [2] S. Lee, K.-Y. Chwa, J. Hahn, and S.Y. Shin, “Image Morphing Using Deformation Techniques,” J. Visualization and Computer Animation, vol. 7, no. 1, pp. 3-23, 1996 [3] S. Lee, G. Wolberg, K. Chwa, S. Shin, Image metamorphosis with scattered feature constraints, IEEE TVCG96, vol. 2, no. 4, pp. 337-354. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Morph software
homb...@tips-q.com wrote: On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:11:24 -0500 Todd Denniston todd.dennis...@ssa.crane.navy.mil wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote, On 02/07/2009 11:13 PM: Paul-Erik Törrönen wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 16:02 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: I'm looking for some morphing software, to take two images, and generate some intermediate images to show the effect of a smooth transition from one to the other. One such program is the convert-command, which is part of the ImageMagick-package. I'd like to get Ann Coulter - Phyllis Shlafly ;-) but I digress. I checked through freshmeat, sourceforge and rpmfind. There are xmorph, morphine and XMRM. These are all 20th century packages and deprecated. Xmorph and morphine will not compile. XMRM (which otherwise looks like the most promising candidate) requires /usr/bin/mpeg which is unavailable. Linking mpeg to other encoders doesn't work. Perhaps something for win. will run in wine or a VM?? Hmm, hadn't come across xmrm before, although the ftp link seems dead at the moment. Regards, Bryn. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Morph software
On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:46:58 + Bryn M. Reeves b...@redhat.com wrote: I checked through freshmeat, sourceforge and rpmfind. There are xmorph, morphine and XMRM. These are all 20th century packages and deprecated. Xmorph and morphine will not compile. XMRM (which otherwise looks like the most promising candidate) requires /usr/bin/mpeg which is unavailable. Linking mpeg to other encoders doesn't work. Perhaps something for win. will run in wine or a VM?? Hmm, hadn't come across xmrm before, although the ftp link seems dead at the moment. It's DOA but you can get it through tucows. Regards, Bryn. -- Neither Lifestyle nor Agenda http://www.tips-Q.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Morph software
Paul-Erik Törrönen wrote: On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 16:02 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: I'm looking for some morphing software, to take two images, and generate some intermediate images to show the effect of a smooth transition from one to the other. One such program is the convert-command, which is part of the ImageMagick-package. It can do primitive shape morphing, for more information go here: http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/viewtopic.php?f=1t=11263 I've used convert only to do fade-morph frames between images taken of the same view, which then are fed to mencoder to produce a video. I can publish the shell-script which I created to accomplish this if you're interested? I Appreciate the offer, and you probably should publish for people looking for a fade solution, but I'm really looking for a full shape and color morph. I have an old program which I pulled off a Win98 machine which did a pretty good job, but it uses gif format, won't run under wine, and generally is pretty impractical other than as a proof of concept. I'm surprised at the lack, I'll keep looking. Search turned up a number of things which sounded hopeful but had serious issues between the description and the performance. Thanks for the pointer. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Morph software
I'm looking for some morphing software, to take two images, and generate some intermediate images to show the effect of a smooth transition from one to the other. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Morph software
On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 16:02 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: I'm looking for some morphing software, to take two images, and generate some intermediate images to show the effect of a smooth transition from one to the other. One such program is the convert-command, which is part of the ImageMagick-package. It can do primitive shape morphing, for more information go here: http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/viewtopic.php?f=1t=11263 I've used convert only to do fade-morph frames between images taken of the same view, which then are fed to mencoder to produce a video. I can publish the shell-script which I created to accomplish this if you're interested? Poltsi -- Paul-Erik Törrönen pol...@777-team.org +358 40 703 1231 http://poltsi.fi/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
