Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 28 August 2009 16:22:33 Gene Heskett wrote: If only there were zoom buttons for both directions, there doesn't appear to be a zoom in, only out to ever smaller muti-images, all the same pix until it crashes. Use the Magnifying glass with a + on it. Is there a reason for that rather nasty asymmetry? After nuking my old .kde folder, I was re-establishing multiple desktop backgrounds. Not remembering said magnifier, I eventually tried logging out. Zoom in should not have been hiding. Zoom out, if either, should have been the inconspicous one. I couldn't log in again. It hung. I started typing keys until I caused a reboot. On logging in again, I discovered that I could have different backgrounds for diffent desktops. Not all are labeled correctly. The only one I delberately changed is a single color. The others are blue, but the desktop settings menus claim that they are pictures of Leonidas. Also, is there a way to get the desktop icons to reflect to background of the dekstops? What about the application icons? Is there a way to get them to indicate the desktop to which they belong? Also, I sent another post with an easier way, but it never seems to have made it to the list (the same info did, in another list). What it said was: Quicker way - and, I think, the way that I did it: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/FAQ/4.3#How_can_I_use_virtual_desktops_as_activities_.3F 2.20 -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Bruce Korb wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Michael Hennebry Since I installed F11, rather a lot of labels are black on dark gray or black on black. 'Tis quite annoying. That's controlled by the theme and many need compositing on to avoid this. Experiment with themes until you get one that's better for you if you can't use Desktop Effects. I tried to play with themes, but could not find anything in the gui that even hinted at my problem. A friend of mine solved the problem. I had installed F11 and kept a home directory from F9. There have been syntax changes for data in the .kde directory. The new KDE was angry and taking it out on my labels. I'd just like a very simple recipe: do this, then this, then this. I really, _really_, *REALLY* do not want to have to go through the learning curve of figuring out how to fiddle desktop effects to do something that is very common and ought to be so easy. It used to be easy. 'Tis quite *beyond* just annoying. If anyone has such a recipe, *please* just post it. Thank you so much. Does that mean you have the same problem after an install? Get rid of your ~/.kde directory and log in again. If you are refering to desktop backgrounds, I still don't know what I did to get them. It should have been easy. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Sun, 30 Aug 2009, Michael Hennebry wrote: Is there an nvidia driver that allows suspend to disk and does not experience extreme slowness? More precisely, is there an nvidia driver that does not experience extreme slowness? I've had trouble getting flash to play right either through firefox or through mplayer. Most recently mplayer told me that my system was to slow. It made suggestions that were scrolled off the screen by many cpoies of AO: [pulse] pa_stream_get_latency() failed: Connection terminated AO: [pulse] pa_stream_write() failed: Connection terminated.4% 1312 0 I'm running a recent install of F11 on a 3 GHz pentium 4 with hyperthreading, 4G of memory and F11's video driver. So far, it has not made me happy. [henne...@localhost Cache]$ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.29.6-217.2.16.fc11.i686.PAE #1 SMP Mon Aug 24 17:16:21 EDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux [henne...@localhost Cache]$ The GEForce nvidia card and the 4G of memory are not original equipment, but they predate F11. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Sun, 30 Aug 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 30 August 2009 17:43:22 Michael Hennebry wrote: Since I installed F11, rather a lot of labels are black on dark gray or black on black. 'Tis quite annoying. That's controlled by the theme and many need compositing on to avoid this. Experiment with themes until you get one that's better for you if you can't use Desktop Effects. I tried to play with themes, but could not find anything in the gui that even hinted at my problem. A friend of mine solved the problem. I had installed F11 and kept a home directory from F9. There have been syntax changes for data in the .kde directory. The new KDE was angry and taking it out on my labels. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Michael Hennebry Since I installed F11, rather a lot of labels are black on dark gray or black on black. 'Tis quite annoying. That's controlled by the theme and many need compositing on to avoid this. Experiment with themes until you get one that's better for you if you can't use Desktop Effects. I tried to play with themes, but could not find anything in the gui that even hinted at my problem. A friend of mine solved the problem. I had installed F11 and kept a home directory from F9. There have been syntax changes for data in the .kde directory. The new KDE was angry and taking it out on my labels. I'd just like a very simple recipe: do this, then this, then this. I really, _really_, *REALLY* do not want to have to go through the learning curve of figuring out how to fiddle desktop effects to do something that is very common and ought to be so easy. It used to be easy. 'Tis quite *beyond* just annoying. If anyone has such a recipe, *please* just post it. Thank you so much. Regards, Bruce -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
I'd forgotten how I did it. You may remember that I said a long time ago that you could do it in Activities, but not in desktops. Now you combine the two. Use the desktop cashew to zoom out create an Activity for each desktop that you want - IOW 4 desktops = 4 Activities Configure each Activity with the wallpaper you want. Go back to your first Activity and zoom in - you are back where you started. Now go to each desktop, zoom out, set one Activity to use that desktop, zoom in. Do this for each desktop. Now you can use your desktops just as you always did, but each has settings that are independent of each other. Takes a few minutes to set up, but from then on it's as easy as it always was. Hi Anne, Surely you have to be kidding about the it's as easy as it always was comment. This is not easy. Especially when you use phrases like, Use the desktop cashew. WTF is that? (OK - I get testy before lunch time...;) Would you please be kind enough to explain the steps to someone who doesn't know a desktop cashew from a KDE activity? Thank you so much. Regards, Bruce -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Bruce Korb bk...@gnu.org wrote: I'd forgotten how I did it. You may remember that I said a long time ago that you could do it in Activities, but not in desktops. Now you combine the two. Use the desktop cashew to zoom out create an Activity for each desktop that you want - IOW 4 desktops = 4 Activities Configure each Activity with the wallpaper you want. Go back to your first Activity and zoom in - you are back where you started. Now go to each desktop, zoom out, set one Activity to use that desktop, zoom in. Do this for each desktop. Now you can use your desktops just as you always did, but each has settings that are independent of each other. Takes a few minutes to set up, but from then on it's as easy as it always was. Hi Anne, Surely you have to be kidding about the it's as easy as it always was comment. This is not easy. Especially when you use phrases like, Use the desktop cashew. WTF is that? (OK - I get testy before lunch time...;) Would you please be kind enough to explain the steps to someone who doesn't know a desktop cashew from a KDE activity? Thank you so much. Regards, Bruce -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Desktop icon in the upper (status?) bar? There is one in the top-right corner and another on the bottom-right corner of your KDE screen. The shape of the icon is the same as that for a cashew nut. Not sure whether the behaviours of each is different. The upper-corner cashew I am fairly certain should open with options to govern the general desktop behaviour. The lower-right cashew I think should be for the behaviour of your your task bar across the bottom of the screen. /fennix -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
Fennix wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Bruce Korb bk...@gnu.org mailto:bk...@gnu.org wrote: I'd forgotten how I did it. You may remember that I said a long time ago that you could do it in Activities, but not in desktops. Now you combine the two. Use the desktop cashew to zoom out create an Activity for each desktop that you want - IOW 4 desktops = 4 Activities Configure each Activity with the wallpaper you want. Go back to your first Activity and zoom in - you are back where you started. Now go to each desktop, zoom out, set one Activity to use that desktop, zoom in. Do this for each desktop. Now you can use your desktops just as you always did, but each has settings that are independent of each other. Takes a few minutes to set up, but from then on it's as easy as it always was. Hi Anne, Surely you have to be kidding about the it's as easy as it always was comment. This is not easy. Especially when you use phrases like, Use the desktop cashew. WTF is that? (OK - I get testy before lunch time...;) Would you please be kind enough to explain the steps to someone who doesn't know a desktop cashew from a KDE activity? Thank you so much. Regards, Bruce Desktop icon in the upper (status?) bar? There is one in the top-right corner and another on the bottom-right corner of your KDE screen. The shape of the icon is the same as that for a cashew nut. Not sure whether the behaviours of each is different. The upper-corner cashew I am fairly certain should open with options to govern the general desktop behaviour. The lower-right cashew I think should be for the behaviour of your your task bar across the bottom of the screen. Found them both, thank you. I never saw the lower right one and the upper right one I didn't recognize as a desktop cashew. :) Still, after zooming out I never did find any create an activity menu or plasma configurator for that matter. I think there are a lot of developers that are completely uninterested in wading through all the minutia needed to figure this stuff out. We basically want to be able to readily see from our wall paper which room (desktop) we're in. It used to be easy. It sure ain't easy any more. Thank you for your help!! But, I'm still stuck with one wall paper for 12 desk tops. Regards, Bruce -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On 09/06/2009 04:15 PM, Bruce Korb wrote: Thank you for your help!! But, I'm still stuck with one wall paper for 12 desk tops. The new behavior is only available in KDE 4.3.x, if I'm not mistaken, so first check if you have that. If so, then click on the desktop cashew, which you've now found, and zoom out. You should get a menu somewhere, after the zoom out occurs. In my case, it's upper left and has five options: Lock Widgets, Shortcut Settings, Add Activity, Zoom Out, and Configure Plasma. Choose Configure Plasma. This gives you two options: Different Activity... and Use a separate dashboard. Click the first one, hit OK. You should now have the ability to set different wallpapers for each of your desktop. I recommend that you log out and log back in first. Richard -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
KDE 4.1.3 release 8.13 Since it was a fresh download of a fairly recent distribution and there was no readily apparent desktop about, I was making incorrect assumption. Looks like I'll be anxiously awaiting the next distro with a KDE 4.3.x. Sorry for the bother. I wish the right-click-on-desktop had an about selection Thank you. Regards, Bruce (P.S. I got the KDE version from Konqueror) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On 09/06/2009 05:06 PM, Bruce Korb wrote: KDE 4.1.3 release 8.13 Since it was a fresh download of a fairly recent distribution and there was no readily apparent desktop about, I was making incorrect assumption. Looks like I'll be anxiously awaiting the next distro with a KDE 4.3.x. Sorry for the bother. I wish the right-click-on-desktop had an about selection Thank you. Regards, Bruce (P.S. I got the KDE version from Konqueror) If you are running the Gnome desktop, try wallpapoz. -- Steven F. LeBrun Quote: /The objection to fairy stories is that they tell children there are dragons. But children have always known there are dragons. Fairy stories tell children that dragons can be killed./ -- G.K. Chesterton -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 14:03 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: I can also comment on this mail server, there are times when my posts either disappear outright, or are any where up to 36 hours coming back. I can post to lkml and it comes back in 90 seconds maximum, the period of fetchmails scan set here. This server either needs more iron, or is at best, miss- configured. Probably affected by grey listing... -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Sunday 30 August 2009 01:09:35 Steven P. Ulrick wrote: If you select Zoom Out from one of your NEW activities, your original desktop is NOT included amongst the desktops that are accessible from your pager. If you choose this option, your original desktop is NOT deleted. It just is not displayed in your pager. In fact, you can keep your new activities, and go back to using your old desktop if you choose, with no fear of losing your new activities... When you zoom out your Desktop 1 may not be visible. You should be able to drag the screen about, to see all the desktops you have, which makes it easy to get back to your original desktop. Even better - look at http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/FAQ#How_can_I_quickly_move_between_Activities.3F and follow the link to the how-to. This sets up a new panel, which can be short if you wish, and places to autohide, with one-click switching between Activities. I use this on my netbook, where space is a premium, and it works flawlessly. It doesn't always autohide at first login, but touch it and it does, after which it has no further problem. Yes, things are not perfect, but they are improving all the time. Keep an eye on Plasma pages in userbase. Some of the devs are keeping it pretty well up to date. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Sunday 30 August 2009, Tim wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 14:03 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: I can also comment on this mail server, there are times when my posts either disappear outright, or are any where up to 36 hours coming back. I can post to lkml and it comes back in 90 seconds maximum, the period of fetchmails scan set here. This server either needs more iron, or is at best, miss- configured. Probably affected by grey listing... Grey listing? That would not surprise me, what with all the other things vz does. However the last time, I timed the echo, and it was within the general frame of my fetchmail scan loop + the kmail loop. I have 07:48:00 here now when I hit the send button. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Journalism is literature in a hurry. -- Matthew Arnold -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Fri, 28 Aug 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: Quicker way - and, I think, the way that I did it: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/FAQ/4.3#How_can_I_use_virtual_desktops_as_activities_.3F On second thought, I might do it that way. Again, thanks much. Arrrg. 'Twas a mess. I'm not at all sure how I got out of it. Clicking on OK did not get rid of the toolbox. That wasn't the only part of the mess. I don't know what eventually got rid of it. I do have different backgrounds on different desktops now. It's possible I'm missing something. Since I installed F11, rather a lot of labels are black on dark gray or black on black. 'Tis quite annoying. I noticed this from the same page: I experience extreme slowness when using Plasma with the NVIDIA binary driver. This is NVIDIA's fault entirely, due to their driver not supporting correctly the XRender X11 extension, and it also affects other parts of KDE such as Konsole. See this blog entry on how to report issues upstream to NVIDIA. This page contains a few suggestions on how to improve performance. Is there an nvidia driver that allows suspend to disk and does not experience extreme slowness? -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Sunday 30 August 2009 17:43:22 Michael Hennebry wrote: Since I installed F11, rather a lot of labels are black on dark gray or black on black. 'Tis quite annoying. That's controlled by the theme and many need compositing on to avoid this. Experiment with themes until you get one that's better for you if you can't use Desktop Effects. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Friday 28 August 2009 20:23:39 Gene Heskett wrote: For each desktop, right-click and select Add Widgets. Add the widgets relevant to the activity you intend for that desktop. The very terse wording makes it non-intuitive. And clicking on help gets me the advisory that it has not yet been written. I'm sorry, but I have no idea what it was you wanted help with. Remember that your desktops now act independently. You can have leisure- related widgets on a different desktop from your work-related ones. If that's not what you meant by 'plasmoid launcher', describe a bit more what you want. What I want is the same, semi transparent launcher to be available on all 8 screens. For that, it seems I should be able to edit an rc or conf file someplace, and just copy/paste that same stanza in the verses for the other 7 screens. I'm no wise with this, either. What exactly do you mean by semi-transparent launcher? I don't recognise the description. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Friday 28 August 2009 10:53:56 Steven P. Ulrick wrote: On Friday 28 August 2009 07:50:02 Anne Wilson wrote: Well, now I have a new problem. I have three desktops that each have a different image on the background. This is good. My fourth desktop also has a different image on it (again, this is good), BUT all the plasmoids have disappeared from it! Actually, it is more like this: Desktop 1: All the plasmoids have disappeared. Desktop 2: All the plasmoids remain on the desktop, but in different positions and different sizes. Desktop 3: one of the plasmoids has actually become the size of the entire desktop (with no way to re-size it) and the other plasmoids are still there, and can be re-sized and moved around just like a normal plasmoid. Desktop 4: Same as Desktop 2 OK, I just discovered that one of the desktops had been changed to Folder View (That would have been Desktop 3) So, after changing that back to Desktop View, Desktops 2, 3 4 now have all the original plasmoids. Unfortunately, like mentioned above, they were randomly rearranged, and I will also have to re-size them. Desktop 1 still is nothing but a blank image. All the plasmoids had disappeared. Anyway, I need to get to work now :) They are now Activities, not simple Desktops. Before, plasmoids were on all desktops, but if you want your desktops for different purposes you probably neither need nor want all on every desktop. Activities are independent. On each desktop place the plasmoids that fit the kind of work you do on that desktop. :-) Hello Anne :) You will be gratified to know that after I got home from work, I played around a little bit with Activities. After just a few minutes, I feel that I understand them very well. Could they have a better name than Activities? Probably. Are there no issues with the implementation that we now know as Activities? No, there are real issues. But the important thing in my mind is that now I understand HOW to use this feature, and I also understand that to compare the relative difficulty in using this feature to the real ease of setting different background for each desktop in KDE 3.* is to compare apples and oranges... As I understand it, this is how it works in a test account that I just set up on my system for this purpose: 1. Click on the little cashew thingy in the upper right hand corner of the desktop. 2. Select Zoom out 3. From the menu that now appears in the upper left hand corner, choose Configure Plasma 4. On the dialog that comes up, check Different activity for each desktop and click OK Four new Activities were immediately placed on the display. 5. Set Backgrounds, add widgets to taste. (There seems to be two ways to do this. Also, all I am trying to do now is eliminate SOME of the mystery behind Activities... If you select Zoom Out from the original desktop, your original desktop becomes one of your new Activities, all accessible from your friendly little pager... If you select Zoom Out from one of your NEW activities, your original desktop is NOT included amongst the desktops that are accessible from your pager. If you choose this option, your original desktop is NOT deleted. It just is not displayed in your pager. In fact, you can keep your new activities, and go back to using your old desktop if you choose, with no fear of losing your new activities... But I have NO idea what Use a separate dashboard on the Configure Plasma menu means... The cool part to all this (for me anyway,) is that before, you could only have different programs open on different desktops. You always had the same icons. With KDE4, you can have completely different plasmoids and icons on as many desktops as you can configure. To accomplish the same thing under KDE 3.*, I think you would have had to have different users for different purposes. Anyway, thank you Anne for informing us of this feature. Steven P. Ulrick -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Friday 28 August 2009 04:22:23 Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009 20:21:55 Steven P. Ulrick wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009 17:02:34 Michael Hennebry wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009, RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces? If yes how? Not, I am told, with recent versions of KDE. Wah. Yes, you can now. I do have. I have Air on Desktop1 and blue-sun-m on Desktop 2. This wasn't available before KDE 4.3 as far as I know. Hello Anne I am running the KDE 4.3 that ships with Fedora 11. I do not see how to put different images on different virtual desktops. Any help is appreciated. Hmm - I just added extra desktops and set wallpapers from the desktop right- click menu, without a problem. I don't recall having to change anything else to allow this, but I'll ask around in the morning in case I've forgotten something. Anne Ah, yes, but in kde-4.3, we are still stuck with one wallpaper for all screens. That sucks about a 10-33 tor vacuum IMO. NO WE ARE NOT! Please!! I asked for a few hours sleep before searching for what was needed to enable it. It definitely works on my laptop. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Anne Wilson an...@kde.org wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009 17:02:34 Michael Hennebry wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009, RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces? If yes how? Not, I am told, with recent versions of KDE. Wah. Yes, you can now. I do have. I have Air on Desktop1 and blue-sun-m on Desktop 2. This wasn't available before KDE 4.3 as far as I know. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Hi Anne How to do this? If I right-click on the desktop and select Desktop Settings it appears that I can only choose one image for all desktops. This functionality of having an image for each desktop from KDE 3.x is the only thing that I (really!!!) miss in KDE 4.x. I really do think that KDE 4 is now much superiour to KDE 3 excepting the (perhaps minor issue for the KDE devs) of having multiple desktop images to match the prefered use/purpose for that desktop. No other element in KDE 4 makes me wish to regress back to the previous system (except the use of kyum which upon installation pulls in many elements from KDE 3...) Has kyum been ported to KDE 4? How to enable selecting an image for each desktop configured? /fennix PS: I think that it would be better stated that there are 2 issues for me: (1) Enabling selecting a unique image for each of my desktops. (2) Installing kyum for upgrading my current Fedora installation without pulling in many elements/libraries of KDE3 to support this application. I know that I should post this to the KDE.org/brainstorm link you had posted previously...but I feel that if this is a majour issue then many must have already complained before now so if no-one has said much then these are not majour issues to the general KDE community... (Running KDE 4.3.00 currently...) /fennix -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On 08/28/2009 12:52 PM, Fennix wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Anne Wilson an...@kde.org mailto:an...@kde.org wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009 17:02:34 Michael Hennebry wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009, RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces? If yes how? Not, I am told, with recent versions of KDE. Wah. Yes, you can now. I do have. I have Air on Desktop1 and blue-sun-m on Desktop 2. This wasn't available before KDE 4.3 as far as I know. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com mailto:fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Hi Anne How to do this? If I right-click on the desktop and select Desktop Settings it appears that I can only choose one image for all desktops. This functionality of having an image for each desktop from KDE 3.x is the only thing that I (really!!!) miss in KDE 4.x. I really do think that KDE 4 is now much superiour to KDE 3 excepting the (perhaps minor issue for the KDE devs) of having multiple desktop images to match the prefered use/purpose for that desktop. No other element in KDE 4 makes me wish to regress back to the previous system (except the use of kyum which upon installation pulls in many elements from KDE 3...) Has kyum been ported to KDE 4? How to enable selecting an image for each desktop configured? /fennix PS: I think that it would be better stated that there are 2 issues for me: (1) Enabling selecting a unique image for each of my desktops. (2) Installing kyum for upgrading my current Fedora installation without pulling in many elements/libraries of KDE3 to support this application. I know that I should post this to the KDE.org/brainstorm link you had posted previously...but I feel that if this is a majour issue then many must have already complained before now so if no-one has said much then these are not majour issues to the general KDE community... (Running KDE 4.3.00 currently...) /fennix I'm using *wallpopz* it works fine for me I've gnome with 6 desktop with different wallpaper on each desktop -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Friday 28 August 2009 07:50:02 Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 28 August 2009 04:22:23 Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009 20:21:55 Steven P. Ulrick wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009 17:02:34 Michael Hennebry wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009, RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces? If yes how? Not, I am told, with recent versions of KDE. Wah. Yes, you can now. I do have. I have Air on Desktop1 and blue-sun-m on Desktop 2. This wasn't available before KDE 4.3 as far as I know. Hello Anne I am running the KDE 4.3 that ships with Fedora 11. I do not see how to put different images on different virtual desktops. Any help is appreciated. Hmm - I just added extra desktops and set wallpapers from the desktop right- click menu, without a problem. I don't recall having to change anything else to allow this, but I'll ask around in the morning in case I've forgotten something. Anne Ah, yes, but in kde-4.3, we are still stuck with one wallpaper for all screens. That sucks about a 10-33 tor vacuum IMO. NO WE ARE NOT! Please!! I asked for a few hours sleep before searching for what was needed to enable it. It definitely works on my laptop. OK - I get testy before breakfast. I'd forgotten how I did it. You may remember that I said a long time ago that you could do it in Activities, but not in desktops. Now you combine the two. Use the desktop cashew to zoom out create an Activity for each desktop that you want - IOW 4 desktops = 4 Activities Configure each Activity with the wallpaper you want. Go back to your first Activity and zoom in - you are back where you started. Now go to each desktop, zoom out, set one Activity to use that desktop, zoom in. Do this for each desktop. Now you can use your desktops just as you always did, but each has settings that are independent of each other. Takes a few minutes to set up, but from then on it's as easy as it always was. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Friday 28 August 2009 08:22:06 Fennix wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Anne Wilson an...@kde.org wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009 17:02:34 Michael Hennebry wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009, RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces? If yes how? Not, I am told, with recent versions of KDE. Wah. Yes, you can now. I do have. I have Air on Desktop1 and blue-sun-m on Desktop 2. This wasn't available before KDE 4.3 as far as I know. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Hi Anne How to do this? If I right-click on the desktop and select Desktop Settings it appears that I can only choose one image for all desktops. This functionality of having an image for each desktop from KDE 3.x is the only thing that I (really!!!) miss in KDE 4.x. I really do think that KDE 4 is now much superiour to KDE 3 excepting the (perhaps minor issue for the KDE devs) of having multiple desktop images to match the prefered use/purpose for that desktop. No other element in KDE 4 makes me wish to regress back to the previous system (except the use of kyum which upon installation pulls in many elements from KDE 3...) Has kyum been ported to KDE 4? How to enable selecting an image for each desktop configured? /fennix PS: I think that it would be better stated that there are 2 issues for me: (1) Enabling selecting a unique image for each of my desktops. See my reply to Gene. I'll add it to UserBase today if no-one else has done it. (2) Installing kyum for upgrading my current Fedora installation without pulling in many elements/libraries of KDE3 to support this application. I know that I should post this to the KDE.org/brainstorm link you had posted previously...but I feel that if this is a majour issue then many must have already complained before now so if no-one has said much then these are not majour issues to the general KDE community... (Running KDE 4.3.00 currently...) /fennix Where are you finding kyum? Searching my repos doesn't find it. If you are installing a KDE 3 app it will have to call in KDE3 libraries - I don't see any way around that. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Friday 28 August 2009 09:09:33 Anne Wilson wrote: OK - I get testy before breakfast. I'd forgotten how I did it. You may remember that I said a long time ago that you could do it in Activities, but not in desktops. Now you combine the two. Use the desktop cashew to zoom out create an Activity for each desktop that you want - IOW 4 desktops = 4 Activities Configure each Activity with the wallpaper you want. Go back to your first Activity and zoom in - you are back where you started. Now go to each desktop, zoom out, set one Activity to use that desktop, zoom in. Do this for each desktop. Now you can use your desktops just as you always did, but each has settings that are independent of each other. Takes a few minutes to set up, but from then on it's as easy as it always was. Quicker way - and, I think, the way that I did it: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/FAQ/4.3#How_can_I_use_virtual_desktops_as_activities_.3F Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Friday 28 August 2009 07:50:02 Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 28 August 2009 04:22:23 Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009 20:21:55 Steven P. Ulrick wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009 17:02:34 Michael Hennebry wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009, RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces? If yes how? Not, I am told, with recent versions of KDE. Wah. Yes, you can now. I do have. I have Air on Desktop1 and blue-sun-m on Desktop 2. This wasn't available before KDE 4.3 as far as I know. Hello Anne I am running the KDE 4.3 that ships with Fedora 11. I do not see how to put different images on different virtual desktops. Any help is appreciated. Hmm - I just added extra desktops and set wallpapers from the desktop right- click menu, without a problem. I don't recall having to change anything else to allow this, but I'll ask around in the morning in case I've forgotten something. Anne Ah, yes, but in kde-4.3, we are still stuck with one wallpaper for all screens. That sucks about a 10-33 tor vacuum IMO. NO WE ARE NOT! Please!! I asked for a few hours sleep before searching for what was needed to enable it. It definitely works on my laptop. OK - I get testy before breakfast. I'd forgotten how I did it. You may remember that I said a long time ago that you could do it in Activities, but not in desktops. Now you combine the two. Use the desktop cashew to zoom out create an Activity for each desktop that you want - IOW 4 desktops = 4 Activities Configure each Activity with the wallpaper you want. Go back to your first Activity and zoom in - you are back where you started. Now go to each desktop, zoom out, set one Activity to use that desktop, zoom in. Do this for each desktop. Now you can use your desktops just as you always did, but each has settings that are independent of each other. Takes a few minutes to set up, but from then on it's as easy as it always was. Well, now I have a new problem. I have three desktops that each have a different image on the background. This is good. My fourth desktop also has a different image on it (again, this is good), BUT all the plasmoids have dissappeared from it! Actually, it is more like this: Desktop 1: All the plasmoids have dissappeared. Desktop 2: All the plasmoids remain on the desktop, but in different positions and different sizes. Desktop 3: one of the plasmoids has actually become the size of the entire desktop (with no way to resize it) and the other plasmoids are still there, and can be resized and moved around just like a normal plasmoid. Desktop 4: Same as Desktop 2 OK, I just discovered that one of the desktops had been changed to Folder View (That would have been Desktop 3) So, after changing that back to Desktop View, Desktops 2, 3 4 now have all the original plasmoids. Unfortunately, like mentioned above, they were randomly rearranged, and I will also have to resize them. Desktop 1 still is nothing but a blank image. All the plasmoids had dissappeared. Anyway, I need to get to work now :) Steven P. Ulrick -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Friday 28 August 2009 10:53:56 Steven P. Ulrick wrote: On Friday 28 August 2009 07:50:02 Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 28 August 2009 04:22:23 Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009 20:21:55 Steven P. Ulrick wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009 17:02:34 Michael Hennebry wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009, RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces? If yes how? Not, I am told, with recent versions of KDE. Wah. Yes, you can now. I do have. I have Air on Desktop1 and blue-sun-m on Desktop 2. This wasn't available before KDE 4.3 as far as I know. Hello Anne I am running the KDE 4.3 that ships with Fedora 11. I do not see how to put different images on different virtual desktops. Any help is appreciated. Hmm - I just added extra desktops and set wallpapers from the desktop right- click menu, without a problem. I don't recall having to change anything else to allow this, but I'll ask around in the morning in case I've forgotten something. Anne Ah, yes, but in kde-4.3, we are still stuck with one wallpaper for all screens. That sucks about a 10-33 tor vacuum IMO. NO WE ARE NOT! Please!! I asked for a few hours sleep before searching for what was needed to enable it. It definitely works on my laptop. OK - I get testy before breakfast. I'd forgotten how I did it. You may remember that I said a long time ago that you could do it in Activities, but not in desktops. Now you combine the two. Use the desktop cashew to zoom out create an Activity for each desktop that you want - IOW 4 desktops = 4 Activities Configure each Activity with the wallpaper you want. Go back to your first Activity and zoom in - you are back where you started. Now go to each desktop, zoom out, set one Activity to use that desktop, zoom in. Do this for each desktop. Now you can use your desktops just as you always did, but each has settings that are independent of each other. Takes a few minutes to set up, but from then on it's as easy as it always was. Well, now I have a new problem. I have three desktops that each have a different image on the background. This is good. My fourth desktop also has a different image on it (again, this is good), BUT all the plasmoids have dissappeared from it! Actually, it is more like this: Desktop 1: All the plasmoids have dissappeared. Desktop 2: All the plasmoids remain on the desktop, but in different positions and different sizes. Desktop 3: one of the plasmoids has actually become the size of the entire desktop (with no way to resize it) and the other plasmoids are still there, and can be resized and moved around just like a normal plasmoid. Desktop 4: Same as Desktop 2 OK, I just discovered that one of the desktops had been changed to Folder View (That would have been Desktop 3) So, after changing that back to Desktop View, Desktops 2, 3 4 now have all the original plasmoids. Unfortunately, like mentioned above, they were randomly rearranged, and I will also have to resize them. Desktop 1 still is nothing but a blank image. All the plasmoids had dissappeared. Anyway, I need to get to work now :) They are now Activities, not simple Desktops. Before, plasmoids were on all desktops, but if you want your desktops for different purposes you probably neither need nor want all on every desktop. Activities are independent. On each desktop place the plasmoids that fit the kind of work you do on that desktop. :-) Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: I'd forgotten how I did it. You may remember that I said a long time ago that you could do it in Activities, but not in desktops. Now you combine the two. Use the desktop cashew to zoom out create an Activity for each desktop that you want - IOW 4 desktops = 4 Activities Configure each Activity with the wallpaper you want. Go back to your first Activity and zoom in - you are back where you started. Now go to each desktop, zoom out, set one Activity to use that desktop, zoom in. Do this for each desktop. Now you can use your desktops just as you always did, but each has settings that are independent of each other. Takes a few minutes to set up, but from then on it's as easy as it always was. Thanks much. I'll try it. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: Quicker way - and, I think, the way that I did it: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/FAQ/4.3#How_can_I_use_virtual_desktops_as_activities_.3F On second thought, I might do it that way. Again, thanks much. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 28 August 2009 10:53:56 Steven P. Ulrick wrote: On Friday 28 August 2009 07:50:02 Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 28 August 2009 04:22:23 Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009 20:21:55 Steven P. Ulrick wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009 17:02:34 Michael Hennebry wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009, RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces? If yes how? Not, I am told, with recent versions of KDE. Wah. Yes, you can now. I do have. I have Air on Desktop1 and blue-sun-m on Desktop 2. This wasn't available before KDE 4.3 as far as I know. Hello Anne I am running the KDE 4.3 that ships with Fedora 11. I do not see how to put different images on different virtual desktops. Any help is appreciated. Hmm - I just added extra desktops and set wallpapers from the desktop right- click menu, without a problem. I don't recall having to change anything else to allow this, but I'll ask around in the morning in case I've forgotten something. Anne Ah, yes, but in kde-4.3, we are still stuck with one wallpaper for all screens. That sucks about a 10-33 tor vacuum IMO. NO WE ARE NOT! Please!! I asked for a few hours sleep before searching for what was needed to enable it. It definitely works on my laptop. OK - I get testy before breakfast. I'd forgotten how I did it. You may remember that I said a long time ago that you could do it in Activities, but not in desktops. Now you combine the two. Use the desktop cashew to zoom out create an Activity for each desktop that you want - IOW 4 desktops = 4 Activities Configure each Activity with the wallpaper you want. Go back to your first Activity and zoom in - you are back where you started. Now go to each desktop, zoom out, set one Activity to use that desktop, zoom in. Do this for each desktop. Now you can use your desktops just as you always did, but each has settings that are independent of each other. Takes a few minutes to set up, but from then on it's as easy as it always was. Well, now I have a new problem. I have three desktops that each have a different image on the background. This is good. My fourth desktop also has a different image on it (again, this is good), BUT all the plasmoids have dissappeared from it! Actually, it is more like this: Desktop 1: All the plasmoids have dissappeared. Desktop 2: All the plasmoids remain on the desktop, but in different positions and different sizes. Desktop 3: one of the plasmoids has actually become the size of the entire desktop (with no way to resize it) and the other plasmoids are still there, and can be resized and moved around just like a normal plasmoid. Desktop 4: Same as Desktop 2 OK, I just discovered that one of the desktops had been changed to Folder View (That would have been Desktop 3) So, after changing that back to Desktop View, Desktops 2, 3 4 now have all the original plasmoids. Unfortunately, like mentioned above, they were randomly rearranged, and I will also have to resize them. Desktop 1 still is nothing but a blank image. All the plasmoids had dissappeared. Anyway, I need to get to work now :) They are now Activities, not simple Desktops. Before, plasmoids were on all desktops, but if you want your desktops for different purposes you probably neither need nor want all on every desktop. Activities are independent. On each desktop place the plasmoids that fit the kind of work you do on that desktop. :-) I suppose that at one time or another I will achieve what I am after. Yet, to have learn all this activities / plasmoid / activities stuff seems to be much more complicated than it needs to be Just seem like a whole lot of crap to me (Full disclosureI have had too many GT's tonight) But, if it takes me multiple steps and non-intuitive logic to reach my goal then I consider it a FAIL Ed -- Man's reach must exceed his grasp, for why else the heavens? mei-mei.gres...@greshko.com http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=cCSz_koUhSg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Friday 28 August 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 28 August 2009 07:50:02 Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 28 August 2009 04:22:23 Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009 20:21:55 Steven P. Ulrick wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009 17:02:34 Michael Hennebry wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009, RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces? If yes how? Not, I am told, with recent versions of KDE. Wah. Yes, you can now. I do have. I have Air on Desktop1 and blue-sun-m on Desktop 2. This wasn't available before KDE 4.3 as far as I know. Hello Anne I am running the KDE 4.3 that ships with Fedora 11. I do not see how to put different images on different virtual desktops. Any help is appreciated. Hmm - I just added extra desktops and set wallpapers from the desktop right- click menu, without a problem. I don't recall having to change anything else to allow this, but I'll ask around in the morning in case I've forgotten something. Anne Ah, yes, but in kde-4.3, we are still stuck with one wallpaper for all screens. That sucks about a 10-33 tor vacuum IMO. NO WE ARE NOT! Please!! I asked for a few hours sleep before searching for what was needed to enable it. It definitely works on my laptop. OK - I get testy before breakfast. I'd forgotten how I did it. You may remember that I said a long time ago that you could do it in Activities, but not in desktops. Now you combine the two. Use the desktop cashew to zoom out create an Activity for each desktop that you want - IOW 4 desktops = 4 Activities Configure each Activity with the wallpaper you want. Not usable Anne. I went to the cashew did the zoom thing, which proceeded to overlay the screen completely, covering your msg. Then things locked up, clock stopped, mouse froze, no response to a ctl+alt+bkspc and I had to use the hdwe reset to reboot.. Now the screen background I did have set is gone, as is the plasma launcher that was occupying the upper left 1/6th of the screen. Other stuff seems to run ok if I can find it in the menu's to run it, but my previous desktop has been quite destroyed. So how do I restore that transparent program launcher, and my background picture now so I am at least back to what kde4.1 could do? Go back to your first Activity and zoom in - you are back where you started. Where is this zoom in button, it doesn't exist here, nor does there appear to be any back out without changing anything facility. Now go to each desktop, zoom out, set one Activity to use that desktop, zoom in. Do this for each desktop. Now you can use your desktops just as you always did, but each has settings that are independent of each other. Takes a few minutes to set up, but from then on it's as easy as it always was. If only there were zoom buttons for both directions, there doesn't appear to be a zoom in, only out to ever smaller muti-images, all the same pix until it crashes. I just repeated it after rebooting, and was trying to locate my background pix, but the thumbnail viewer would have taken at least 2 hours to display every pix in the selected directory. Painfully slow, on a quad core phenom. And I had 2 zoom out buttons, and no zoom in button. I accidentally found just now that rolling the center wheel of the mouse seems to exit it, but I still have a plain blue screen background on all 8 screens. This is plainly NOT usable as a means of configuring the desktop. I found my picture and applied it, but most screens are still overlaid with the zoom out stuff, how to I exit that other than rebooting again? I can see the selected pix on some screens, reduced to 1/4 screen, but there is not a zoom in button to restore the normal view. Rebooting certainly doesn't seem to me to be a valid exit method, this after all, isn't a winderz box. :( Anne -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Manchmal stehe nachts auf und installier's mir einfach... -- H0arry @ IRC -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Friday 28 August 2009 16:22:33 Gene Heskett wrote: If only there were zoom buttons for both directions, there doesn't appear to be a zoom in, only out to ever smaller muti-images, all the same pix until it crashes. Use the Magnifying glass with a + on it. Also, I sent another post with an easier way, but it never seems to have made it to the list (the same info did, in another list). What it said was: Quicker way - and, I think, the way that I did it: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/FAQ/4.3#How_can_I_use_virtual_desktops_as_activities_.3F Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Friday 28 August 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 28 August 2009 16:22:33 Gene Heskett wrote: If only there were zoom buttons for both directions, there doesn't appear to be a zoom in, only out to ever smaller muti-images, all the same pix until it crashes. Use the Magnifying glass with a + on it. Both magnifying glasses available from a click on the cashew have a - sign in them. Once that is done once or twice, for even smaller images, I can see the launcher plasmoid on the upper left version of the correct background pix, which only shows on two of the mini-screens I can see on screen 0 now. The plasmoid is also there, but it mostly hidden in a black and white menu overlay that hasn't even got a zoom button on it. The menu overlays choices are: Lock Widgets Shortcut Settings Add activity Zoom out Configure Plasma Having zoomed out twice, I now have what looks like ten mini screens, 2 columns maybe 5 high, but the bottom two are cut off by the bottom of the screen, but only 8 are actually configured in another menu. And only two of those are showing the selected pix, the top 2 in the left column. And the second one does not have the plasmoid launcher. And of course, without a zoom _in_ function, there is no exit other than ctl+alt+bkspc then to re startx. Hell of a way to run a train, what am I going to have to do, remove kde and reinstall it? If that is what it takes, I'll bet the farm on amanda, and switch distros, possibly to 64 bit centos5.3. Or depend on amanda for recovery and install centos5.3? This install, with its broken disk partitioner has been strangely problematic several times, but I found the reason for some of the instability last week, memtest86 made me rotate reseat the dram sticks, and now all is well in that dept again. I have been a faithful redhat fan since RH5.1, but this fedora, with its purposely broken printing and audio ever since it was spun off, will be the straw that breaks this old camels back. We, with our bug reports, help RH make the paid version as stable as a rock, but I'm tired of jumping through the hoops, and info purposely being with held that prevents those of us who _can_ run an editor and fix or improve it. A prime example of that is this weeks thread, repeated at 2 or 3 week intervals, asking just where the hell pulse is started so they can disable it once and for all and have reliably working sound again. All we get there is obfuscation, maybe its here or there for an answer. Also, I sent another post with an ealier way, but it never seems to have made it to the list (the same info did, in another list). What it said was: I can also comment on this mail server, there are times when my posts either disappear outright, or are any where up to 36 hours coming back. I can post to lkml and it comes back in 90 seconds maximum, the period of fetchmails scan set here. This server either needs more iron, or is at best, miss- configured. Today so far, its working fairly well, my posts are at least coming back in 10 to 15 minutes. Lets check, its is 14:02:55 local time right now. Quicker way - and, I think, the way that I did it: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/FAQ/4.3#How_can_I_use_virtual_desktops_as_ac tivities_.3F Anne This is with kde-4.3? -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Caution: Keep out of reach of children. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: Also, I sent another post with an easier way, but it never seems to have made it to the list (the same info did, in another list). What it said was: It did. Quicker way - and, I think, the way that I did it: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/FAQ/4.3#How_can_I_use_virtual_desktops_as_activities_.3F -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Friday 28 August 2009, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Fri, 28 Aug 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: Also, I sent another post with an easier way, but it never seems to have made it to the list (the same info did, in another list). What it said was: It did. Quicker way - and, I think, the way that I did it: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/FAQ/4.3#How_can_I_use_virtual_desktops_as_ activities_.3F After messing with this, checking and unchecking and rechecking the options, I finally got it to show me a + in a magnifying glass icon, but only on the lower border of screen 0, the one I was on at the instant. This took it back to full screen per screen and I was able to set a different pix per screen then. Now I have the cashew in the upper right corner of only the first 7 screens of 8, and a plasmoid launcher only on screen 0. How can I restore that plasmoid to the other 7 screens, and restore the cashew to the 8th screen? My other msg actually came back in less than 90 seconds elapsed time, which is nothing short of amazing, sort of the inverse of the watched pot never boiling I guess. It must have figured it out that I was timing it :-) Thanks Anne. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp YOU PICKED KARL MALDEN'S NOSE!! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Friday 28 August 2009 19:49:32 Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 28 August 2009, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Fri, 28 Aug 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: Also, I sent another post with an easier way, but it never seems to have made it to the list (the same info did, in another list). What it said was: It did. Quicker way - and, I think, the way that I did it: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/FAQ/4.3#How_can_I_use_virtual_desktops_as _ activities_.3F After messing with this, checking and unchecking and rechecking the options, I finally got it to show me a + in a magnifying glass icon, but only on the lower border of screen 0, the one I was on at the instant. This took it back to full screen per screen and I was able to set a different pix per screen then. You should have the magnifying glass under each Activity. Now I have the cashew in the upper right corner of only the first 7 screens of 8, and a plasmoid launcher only on screen 0. I've no idea why your cashew is missing - it's on every one here, although for some reason, one of them is quite faint, while the others are bright. How can I restore that plasmoid to the other 7 screens, and restore the cashew to the 8th screen? For each desktop, right-click and select Add Widgets. Add the widgets relevant to the activity you intend for that desktop. Remember that your desktops now act independently. You can have leisure- related widgets on a different desktop from your work-related ones. If that's not what you meant by 'plasmoid launcher', describe a bit more what you want. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Friday 28 August 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 28 August 2009 19:49:32 Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 28 August 2009, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Fri, 28 Aug 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: Also, I sent another post with an easier way, but it never seems to have made it to the list (the same info did, in another list). What it said was: It did. Quicker way - and, I think, the way that I did it: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/FAQ/4.3#How_can_I_use_virtual_desktops_ as _ activities_.3F After messing with this, checking and unchecking and rechecking the options, I finally got it to show me a + in a magnifying glass icon, but only on the lower border of screen 0, the one I was on at the instant. This took it back to full screen per screen and I was able to set a different pix per screen then. You should have the magnifying glass under each Activity. Now I have the cashew in the upper right corner of only the first 7 screens of 8, and a plasmoid launcher only on screen 0. I've no idea why your cashew is missing - it's on every one here, although for some reason, one of them is quite faint, while the others are bright. How can I restore that plasmoid to the other 7 screens, and restore the cashew to the 8th screen? For each desktop, right-click and select Add Widgets. Add the widgets relevant to the activity you intend for that desktop. The very terse wording makes it non-intuitive. And clicking on help gets me the advisory that it has not yet been written. Remember that your desktops now act independently. You can have leisure- related widgets on a different desktop from your work-related ones. If that's not what you meant by 'plasmoid launcher', describe a bit more what you want. What I want is the same, semi transparent launcher to be available on all 8 screens. For that, it seems I should be able to edit an rc or conf file someplace, and just copy/paste that same stanza in the verses for the other 7 screens. Thanks, Anne -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp philosophy: Unintelligible answers to insoluble problems. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 21:29 +0530, RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces? If yes how? Kishore If yout desktop is GNOME, then there is an application called 'wallpapoz' that allows you to do that. Germán. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- Germán A. Racca National Institute for Space Research (INPE) São José dos Campos - SP - Brasil http://gracca.wordpress.com http://tinyurl.com/SkyTux -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009, RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces? If yes how? Not, I am told, with recent versions of KDE. Wah. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
Thank you. It is working Kishore On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Germán Racca german.ra...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 21:29 +0530, RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces? If yes how? Kishore If yout desktop is GNOME, then there is an application called 'wallpapoz' that allows you to do that. Germán. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- Germán A. Racca National Institute for Space Research (INPE) São José dos Campos - SP - Brasil http://gracca.wordpress.com http://tinyurl.com/SkyTux -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Thursday 27 August 2009 17:02:34 Michael Hennebry wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009, RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces? If yes how? Not, I am told, with recent versions of KDE. Wah. Yes, you can now. I do have. I have Air on Desktop1 and blue-sun-m on Desktop 2. This wasn't available before KDE 4.3 as far as I know. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Thursday 27 August 2009 17:02:34 Michael Hennebry wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009, RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces? If yes how? Not, I am told, with recent versions of KDE. Wah. Yes, you can now. I do have. I have Air on Desktop1 and blue-sun-m on Desktop 2. This wasn't available before KDE 4.3 as far as I know. Hello Anne I am running the KDE 4.3 that ships with Fedora 11. I do not see how to put different images on different virtual desktops. Any help is appreciated. Steven P. Ulrick -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Thursday 27 August 2009 20:21:55 Steven P. Ulrick wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009 17:02:34 Michael Hennebry wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009, RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces? If yes how? Not, I am told, with recent versions of KDE. Wah. Yes, you can now. I do have. I have Air on Desktop1 and blue-sun-m on Desktop 2. This wasn't available before KDE 4.3 as far as I know. Hello Anne I am running the KDE 4.3 that ships with Fedora 11. I do not see how to put different images on different virtual desktops. Any help is appreciated. Hmm - I just added extra desktops and set wallpapers from the desktop right- click menu, without a problem. I don't recall having to change anything else to allow this, but I'll ask around in the morning in case I've forgotten something. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [fedora] Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 08:41:11PM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: Hello Anne I am running the KDE 4.3 that ships with Fedora 11. I do not see how to put different images on different virtual desktops. Any help is appreciated. Hmm - I just added extra desktops and set wallpapers from the desktop right- click menu, without a problem. I don't recall having to change anything else to allow this, but I'll ask around in the morning in case I've forgotten something. All you have to do is right click on each desktop to set it. The maxpect/centered option does fail for non-primary monitors though. -- Dave - Nobody believed that I could build a space station here. So I built it anyway. It sank into the vortex. So I built another one. It sank into the vortex. The third station burned down, fell over then sank into the vortex. The fourth station just vanished. And the fifth station, THAT stayed! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [fedora] Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 08:41:11PM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: Hello Anne I am running the KDE 4.3 that ships with Fedora 11. I do not see how to put different images on different virtual desktops. Any help is appreciated. Hmm - I just added extra desktops and set wallpapers from the desktop right- click menu, without a problem. I don't recall having to change anything else to allow this, but I'll ask around in the morning in case I've forgotten something. All you have to do is right click on each desktop to set it. The maxpect/centered option does fail for non-primary monitors though. Hello Dave For some reason it does not work that way for me here. Here is a screenshot of my desktop settings dialog: http://www.afolkey2.net/~steve/20090827-Fedora11-ScreenShot-001.jpg When I do try to do exactly like you described, of course the first desktop I try it on is changed to whatever picture I choose. But when I try it on the second desktop, the picture on the second desktop changes to the new picture, but so does the one that I had changed previously. This is the KDE 4.3 that I recently got from the official Fedora updates repo. Please feel free to tell me whatever it is that I am missing. Steven P. Ulrick -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [fedora] Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
Steven P. Ulrick wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 08:41:11PM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: Hello Anne I am running the KDE 4.3 that ships with Fedora 11. I do not see how to put different images on different virtual desktops. Any help is appreciated. Hmm - I just added extra desktops and set wallpapers from the desktop right- click menu, without a problem. I don't recall having to change anything else to allow this, but I'll ask around in the morning in case I've forgotten something. All you have to do is right click on each desktop to set it. The maxpect/centered option does fail for non-primary monitors though. Hello Dave For some reason it does not work that way for me here. Here is a screenshot of my desktop settings dialog: http://www.afolkey2.net/~steve/20090827-Fedora11-ScreenShot-001.jpg When I do try to do exactly like you described, of course the first desktop I try it on is changed to whatever picture I choose. But when I try it on the second desktop, the picture on the second desktop changes to the new picture, but so does the one that I had changed previously. This is the KDE 4.3 that I recently got from the official Fedora updates repo. Please feel free to tell me whatever it is that I am missing. Steven P. Ulrick I must be missing something as well since my experience matches yours :-( -- The only constant is change. mei-mei.gres...@greshko.com http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=cCSz_koUhSg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces
On Thursday 27 August 2009, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009 20:21:55 Steven P. Ulrick wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2009 17:02:34 Michael Hennebry wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009, RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: Can we have different desktop backgrounds for different workspaces? If yes how? Not, I am told, with recent versions of KDE. Wah. Yes, you can now. I do have. I have Air on Desktop1 and blue-sun-m on Desktop 2. This wasn't available before KDE 4.3 as far as I know. Hello Anne I am running the KDE 4.3 that ships with Fedora 11. I do not see how to put different images on different virtual desktops. Any help is appreciated. Hmm - I just added extra desktops and set wallpapers from the desktop right- click menu, without a problem. I don't recall having to change anything else to allow this, but I'll ask around in the morning in case I've forgotten something. Anne Ah, yes, but in kde-4.3, we are still stuck with one wallpaper for all screens. That sucks about a 10-33 tor vacuum IMO. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp In 1869 the waffle iron was invented for people who had wrinkled waffles. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
