Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
Tim: That's easy: Fetch a scad of mail when you have filters set, versus fetch a scad of mail when you don't have any filters set. Unmolested, they romp into the inbox very quickly. When filtering puts its fingers in, it's far worse than fetching mail over dial-up. James Wilkinson: That sort of filtering speed (I’m guessing maybe a couple of seconds per message on emails generally smaller than, say, 128 KB) makes me suspect that it’s passing emails through SpamAssassin – it sounds like the right speed for SpamAssassin, and there’s an evolution-spamassassin package to enable it. Nup, not doing that here. I even disable the Evolution plugins that I'm not using. The filtering was just a few filters for mailing lists which look for a matching reply-to header. Each filter was just the match rule, followed by a stop processing instruction. With about two filters (e.g. for two mailing lists), it's reasonable. With about three, it's getting annoying. Try and filter from about eight different lists, and it's far too slow to put up with. I've seen a few other similar comments about the slowness of filtering over the years. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 22:06 +, James Wilkinson wrote: The *right* place is on the MX, the first computer that receives the email, which should never accept emails it thinks are spam. But it’s not always practical for end users to insist on this. I completely agree, and since I don't control the SMTP server, I don't do it. My connection to the world is on a dynamic IP, so I won't attempt to run my own world-accepting SMTP server. Our local SMTP sends to the world through the ISP as its smart host. My host does have cpanel interface for diddling spam assassin, but I've never liked using their control. It's too limited, I really hate having to mess with spam assassin, and I don't know where in the chain they've inserted it. My other spam avoidance methods are working well. I only get about four a day, so I see no point in fighting with spam assassin for them. I get the pleasure of hitting delete, myself. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
Tim wrote: Tim: That's easy: Fetch a scad of mail when you have filters set, versus fetch a scad of mail when you don't have any filters set. Unmolested, they romp into the inbox very quickly. When filtering puts its fingers in, it's far worse than fetching mail over dial-up. James Wilkinson: That sort of filtering speed (I’m guessing maybe a couple of seconds per message on emails generally smaller than, say, 128 KB) makes me suspect that it’s passing emails through SpamAssassin – it sounds like the right speed for SpamAssassin, and there’s an evolution-spamassassin package to enable it. Nup, not doing that here. I even disable the Evolution plugins that I'm not using. The filtering was just a few filters for mailing lists which look for a matching reply-to header. Each filter was just the match rule, followed by a stop processing instruction. With about two filters (e.g. for two mailing lists), it's reasonable. With about three, it's getting annoying. Try and filter from about eight different lists, and it's far too slow to put up with. I've seen a few other similar comments about the slowness of filtering over the years. I will second that this has been an issue for some time. I had this issue when we moved to Exchange Server a few years ago. I found a way around using Evolution and have not looked back. When downloading mail it would take forever to get the mail and sort it out using the OWA interface (Only Option). Using SpamAssasin just made it worse. -- Robin Laing -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 20:19 +1030, Tim wrote: Tim: That's easy: Fetch a scad of mail when you have filters set, versus fetch a scad of mail when you don't have any filters set. Unmolested, they romp into the inbox very quickly. When filtering puts its fingers in, it's far worse than fetching mail over dial-up. James Wilkinson: That sort of filtering speed (I’m guessing maybe a couple of seconds per message on emails generally smaller than, say, 128 KB) makes me suspect that it’s passing emails through SpamAssassin – it sounds like the right speed for SpamAssassin, and there’s an evolution-spamassassin package to enable it. Nup, not doing that here. I even disable the Evolution plugins that I'm not using. The filtering was just a few filters for mailing lists which look for a matching reply-to header. Each filter was just the match rule, followed by a stop processing instruction. With about two filters (e.g. for two mailing lists), it's reasonable. With about three, it's getting annoying. Try and filter from about eight different lists, and it's far too slow to put up with. I'm currently filtering 10 mailing lists (most with the Mailing-List search criterion, some just on Sender) plus a bunch of other junk addresses that don't fire often. I see no slowdown at all. I've seen a few other similar comments about the slowness of filtering over the years. I did a quick search on the Evo mailing list and there is some traffic about two years ago in two threads. In the first one, where someone complained about slow filtering, it turned out he was using remote tests in his junk filters, but you aren't doing that. In the second one, the problem is directly related to the Exchange Connector, but you aren't doing that either, so the answer remains a mystery. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 08:35 -0600, Robin Laing wrote: Tim wrote: Tim: That's easy: Fetch a scad of mail when you have filters set, versus fetch a scad of mail when you don't have any filters set. Unmolested, they romp into the inbox very quickly. When filtering puts its fingers in, it's far worse than fetching mail over dial-up. James Wilkinson: That sort of filtering speed (I’m guessing maybe a couple of seconds per message on emails generally smaller than, say, 128 KB) makes me suspect that it’s passing emails through SpamAssassin – it sounds like the right speed for SpamAssassin, and there’s an evolution-spamassassin package to enable it. Nup, not doing that here. I even disable the Evolution plugins that I'm not using. The filtering was just a few filters for mailing lists which look for a matching reply-to header. Each filter was just the match rule, followed by a stop processing instruction. With about two filters (e.g. for two mailing lists), it's reasonable. With about three, it's getting annoying. Try and filter from about eight different lists, and it's far too slow to put up with. I've seen a few other similar comments about the slowness of filtering over the years. I will second that this has been an issue for some time. I had this issue when we moved to Exchange Server a few years ago. I found a way around using Evolution and have not looked back. Tim is not using Exchange server (at least I assume he isn't, given that his MUA is Tbird). When downloading mail it would take forever to get the mail and sort it out using the OWA interface (Only Option). Using SpamAssasin just made it worse. See earlier comments regarding SA versus Bogofilter. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 08:35 -0600, Robin Laing wrote: Tim wrote: I've seen a few other similar comments about the slowness of filtering over the years. I will second that this has been an issue for some time. I had this issue when we moved to Exchange Server a few years ago. I found a way around using Evolution and have not looked back. Well, don't keep us all in suspense, man! When downloading mail it would take forever to get the mail and sort it out using the OWA interface (Only Option). Using SpamAssasin just made it worse. AIUI, Evo in F11 will have a new Exchange native MAPI interface. Let us hope things improve. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 10:21 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Tim is not using Exchange server (at least I assume he isn't, Correct. given that his MUA is Tbird). Huh? I'm using Evolution 2.22.3.1 on Fedora 9. I'm still using Dovecot dovecot-0.99.14-8.fc4 on Fedora Core 4 as my IMAP server. Which, I'll point out, doesn't run slowly with other mail clients on the LAN. I don't do any filtering on the server side. I have tested out using Dovecot on CentOS 5, and noticed no difference. Darned if I know where the slowdown really lay. I'm beginning to suspect that it mightn't be the filtering, so much, as when the message is moved from here to there, that the write during the move operation delays things. Plus, each write having to complete before the next filter is tested. However, that doesn't explain why if I mouse select a bunch of messages and drag and drop them to another folder, that they move an awful lot faster. I'll try a test, later, filtering to local storage, instead of going through the IMAP server. It shouldn't be the underlying networking, everything else romps through at a nice speed. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 08:35 -0600, Robin Laing wrote: Tim wrote: Tim: That's easy: Fetch a scad of mail when you have filters set, versus fetch a scad of mail when you don't have any filters set. Unmolested, they romp into the inbox very quickly. When filtering puts its fingers in, it's far worse than fetching mail over dial-up. James Wilkinson: That sort of filtering speed (I’m guessing maybe a couple of seconds per message on emails generally smaller than, say, 128 KB) makes me suspect that it’s passing emails through SpamAssassin – it sounds like the right speed for SpamAssassin, and there’s an evolution-spamassassin package to enable it. Nup, not doing that here. I even disable the Evolution plugins that I'm not using. The filtering was just a few filters for mailing lists which look for a matching reply-to header. Each filter was just the match rule, followed by a stop processing instruction. With about two filters (e.g. for two mailing lists), it's reasonable. With about three, it's getting annoying. Try and filter from about eight different lists, and it's far too slow to put up with. I've seen a few other similar comments about the slowness of filtering over the years. I will second that this has been an issue for some time. I had this issue when we moved to Exchange Server a few years ago. I found a way around using Evolution and have not looked back. When downloading mail it would take forever to get the mail and sort it out using the OWA interface (Only Option). Using SpamAssasin just made it worse. -- Robin Laing I did this again today forgetting I had tried this once before. Filtering is fast. What is slow is using sppamassassin to analyze the mail. Filtering 100 messages takes about 10 seconds. -- === Look at it this way: Your wife's spending $280 a month on meditation lessons to forget $26,000 of college education. And you're still drinking ordinary scotch? === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 06:42 +1030, Tim wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 10:21 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Tim is not using Exchange server (at least I assume he isn't, Correct. given that his MUA is Tbird). Huh? I'm using Evolution 2.22.3.1 on Fedora 9. Oops, I think I confused you with someone on another list, sorry. [...] I'll try a test, later, filtering to local storage, instead of going through the IMAP server. It shouldn't be the underlying networking, everything else romps through at a nice speed. That would be interesting. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 16:09 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: I did this again today forgetting I had tried this once before. Filtering is fast. What is slow is using sppamassassin to analyze the mail. Filtering 100 messages takes about 10 seconds. Note that SA is slow if you use remote checking (it checks against a blacklist somewhere). poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 20:53 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I meant how do you know the time is spent filtering (rather than say polling the server or downloading mail)? That's easy: Fetch a scad of mail when you have filters set, versus fetch a scad of mail when you don't have any filters set. Unmolested, they romp into the inbox very quickly. When filtering puts its fingers in, it's far worse than fetching mail over dial-up. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 20:22 +1030, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 20:53 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I meant how do you know the time is spent filtering (rather than say polling the server or downloading mail)? That's easy: Fetch a scad of mail when you have filters set, versus fetch a scad of mail when you don't have any filters set. Unmolested, they romp into the inbox very quickly. When filtering puts its fingers in, it's far worse than fetching mail over dial-up. I guess that would depend on: * how many filters you have * what the filters do * what order they appear in I can only repeat what I've already said: I don't have this problem. In fact I can't recall anyone on the Evo list making comments of this nature (and it's not a bunch to keep quiet about a problem :-) If this is serious enough to make you switch MUAs, perhaps it merits a Bugzilla report. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
Tim wrote: That's easy: Fetch a scad of mail when you have filters set, versus fetch a scad of mail when you don't have any filters set. Unmolested, they romp into the inbox very quickly. When filtering puts its fingers in, it's far worse than fetching mail over dial-up. That sort of filtering speed (I’m guessing maybe a couple of seconds per message on emails generally smaller than, say, 128 KB) makes me suspect that it’s passing emails through SpamAssassin – it sounds like the right speed for SpamAssassin, and there’s an evolution-spamassassin package to enable it. SpamAssassin is a good anti-spam package, which can be made *very* good with the right options, but it’s designed around the assumption that a couple of seconds per email isn’t a big deal. And it isn’t if the filtering happens while the email is trickling in – it just takes a long time if you initiate the download and wait for it all to come down. I would argue that it’s the wrong place to do spam filtering¹, except that it’s a lot easier for someone unfamiliar with mail processing, the command line and SpamAssassin to have it Just Work as part of the mail client. In any case, it’s not reasonable to blame Evolution for anything other than its choice of spam filter if it’s the spam filter taking the time. James. ¹ The *right* place is on the MX, the first computer that receives the email, which should never accept emails it thinks are spam. But it’s not always practical for end users to insist on this. -- E-mail: james@ | There's a lack of really good photo ref for porcupines. aprilcottage.co.uk | You'd think that people were afraid to get close up to | the things for some unfathomable reason... | -- Ursula Vernon -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 22:06 +, James Wilkinson wrote: Tim wrote: That's easy: Fetch a scad of mail when you have filters set, versus fetch a scad of mail when you don't have any filters set. Unmolested, they romp into the inbox very quickly. When filtering puts its fingers in, it's far worse than fetching mail over dial-up. That sort of filtering speed (I’m guessing maybe a couple of seconds per message on emails generally smaller than, say, 128 KB) makes me suspect that it’s passing emails through SpamAssassin – it sounds like the right speed for SpamAssassin, and there’s an evolution-spamassassin package to enable it. SpamAssassin is a good anti-spam package, which can be made *very* good with the right options, but it’s designed around the assumption that a couple of seconds per email isn’t a big deal. And it isn’t if the filtering happens while the email is trickling in – it just takes a long time if you initiate the download and wait for it all to come down. I would argue that it’s the wrong place to do spam filtering¹, except that it’s a lot easier for someone unfamiliar with mail processing, the command line and SpamAssassin to have it Just Work as part of the mail client. In any case, it’s not reasonable to blame Evolution for anything other than its choice of spam filter if it’s the spam filter taking the time. James. ¹ The *right* place is on the MX, the first computer that receives the email, which should never accept emails it thinks are spam. But it’s not always practical for end users to insist on this. I agree that the MX should be discriminating about what it accepts. Many versions of evolution/Fedora ago, I stopped using junk filtering because spamassasin was so slow and memory was a terrible issue. I gather that the response was to implement the bogo-filter instead of spamassassin at the evolution level to solve that but I do have junk filtering on my mail server so I just shut it off and have left it off. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 15:41 -0700, Craig White wrote: Many versions of evolution/Fedora ago, I stopped using junk filtering because spamassasin was so slow and memory was a terrible issue. I gather that the response was to implement the bogo-filter instead of spamassassin at the evolution level to solve that but I do have junk filtering on my mail server so I just shut it off and have left it off. I switched from SpamAssassin to Bogofilter over a year ago and haven't regretted it. I feel that SA is great as a server-side spam filter (indeed one of my mail servers uses it) but BF is better for the desktop. One problem with SA was that it would leave multiple spamd processes lying around, though that may have been fixed since then. All the same, I didn't get the sense from Tim's message that he was talking about spam filtering. Perhaps he could clarify. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 19:09 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 15:41 -0700, Craig White wrote: Many versions of evolution/Fedora ago, I stopped using junk filtering because spamassasin was so slow and memory was a terrible issue. I gather that the response was to implement the bogo-filter instead of spamassassin at the evolution level to solve that but I do have junk filtering on my mail server so I just shut it off and have left it off. I switched from SpamAssassin to Bogofilter over a year ago and haven't regretted it. I feel that SA is great as a server-side spam filter (indeed one of my mail servers uses it) but BF is better for the desktop. One problem with SA was that it would leave multiple spamd processes lying around, though that may have been fixed since then. All the same, I didn't get the sense from Tim's message that he was talking about spam filtering. Perhaps he could clarify. sure - I only use cyrus-imapd with sieve which is server based filtering/handling so it's transparent to me - I don't see the e-mail until it's been filtered. I've got a bunch of rules...a 'wc -l' of my sieve script runs 497 lines which I can tell averages about 6 lines per rule so I clearly have 80 or so rules which are going to take some time if an e-mail drops all the way to the last rule (which isn't a place that anyone sending me a personal e-mail wants to end up). Clearly running those rules against every e-mail takes time and none of these rules have anything to do with junk mail except if the header contains an entry tagging it as spam from MailScanner/spamassassin it goes into my SPAMBOX. In the end though, we use filters to organize incoming e-mail so even if it does take a little longer to get automation, I'm not sure what the problem is (except for as I said, when evolution used to use spamassassin for junk detection and then the problem was more like oom issues). Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
Patrick O'Callaghan: Don't forget to Expunge (or Empty Trash) to make sure the space is really freed. Linuxguy123: I didn't know this was necessary. Interesting. Technically, it's necessary on many mail clients (delete flags a message as not wanted, and actually removing it is a second function). But some mail clients have a default of doing both both actions together, or automatically purging/expunging periodically. I don't recall what the default is for Evolution, but you can set it to do that, itself, daily, weekly, etc. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 09:32 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I have all my emails since 2002. This isn't the first folder that reached the 2GB limit. I've got folders with thousands of messages going back further than that, none of them are anywhere near that size. Of course, if you have messages with files attached, that swells things up a lot. Evolution is pretty good about being reasonably fast with large folders. My experience says that it's rather dire (out of trying over a dozen different clients, over the years). Filtering is the slowest I've seen on any mail client. I gave up filtering in Evolution, and just manually dump messages into folders once a week, or so (use the search box to find all the fedora-list messages, drag and drop them out of inbox to a fedora folder). And it's hopeless at doing two things at once, such as loading up the next message while your reply is being sent. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 01:37 +1030, Tim wrote: Filtering is the slowest I've seen on any mail client. How did you measure this and what did you compare it with? poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
Tim: Filtering is the slowest I've seen on any mail client. Patrick O'Callaghan: How did you measure this and what did you compare it with? Several minutes versus hardly noticeable seconds is easy to measure the difference. And, Evolution since the Red Hat Linux days up to Fedora 9, versus every other mail client I've ever tried. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 10:17 +1030, Tim wrote: Tim: Filtering is the slowest I've seen on any mail client. Patrick O'Callaghan: How did you measure this and what did you compare it with? Several minutes versus hardly noticeable seconds is easy to measure the difference. And, Evolution since the Red Hat Linux days up to Fedora 9, versus every other mail client I've ever tried. I meant how do you know the time is spent filtering (rather than say polling the server or downloading mail)? I have a fairly long list of filters (all of them either move mail to folders or just throw it away) and have never noticed them taking any time at all. However I poll my mail servers automatically at fixed intervals, so how would I know? poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Friday 13 March 2009 04:07:27 Craig White wrote: I have to say that I am confused because I remember you saying that the problem was with a gmail account which should have been imap and in the imap subdirectory and not the local subdirectory. I remember when gmail didn't support IMAP ... it really wasn't *that* long ago. I still have a machine at home with a load of mail that was collected via POP3 from gmail. Still, I have it in Maildir format on the local disk ... As indicated above, you have an INBOX like a cesspool and you don't break it down into subdirectories which is really what you need to do and not allow your INBOX or any subdirectory to get that big. It's a bit rude to throw around words like cesspool when you actually mean tower of cards ;o) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 17:22 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 12:58 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I found the problem: evolution-mail-Message: Error occurred while existing dialogue active: Cannot append message to mbox file: /home/xxx/.evolution/mail/local/Inbox: File too large DB Operation ended. Time Taken : 0.167074 I checked an my inbox file is 2GB in size. Evolution didn't warn me or anything. In which case you should complain to http://bugzilla.gnome.org (but check first because this error rings a bell and may already have been reported). To reduce the size of your Inbox, move stuff to subfolders. Yeah, I did this. Don't forget to Expunge (or Empty Trash) to make sure the space is really freed. In fact if you aren't in the habit of doing that, just run Expunge on your Inbox folder and see if it reduces; it might be full of ancient deleted messages. I didn't know this was necessary. Interesting. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 09:49 +1030, Tim wrote: On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 12:58 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I checked an my inbox file is 2GB in size. Evolution didn't warn me or anything. Ugh! Though I'm surprised that Evolution didn't get as slow as hell with a mailfile approaching that size, before it jammed up. I have all my emails since 2002. This isn't the first folder that reached the 2GB limit. Evolution is pretty good about being reasonably fast with large folders. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 23:16 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 09:49 +1030, Tim wrote: On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 12:58 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I checked an my inbox file is 2GB in size. Evolution didn't warn me or anything. Ugh! Though I'm surprised that Evolution didn't get as slow as hell with a mailfile approaching that size, before it jammed up. It does a lot of indexing, so it generally isn't necessary to read the whole file. Still, having so large a folder means you can lose an awful lot of mail in one swell foop. Unless you back it up... The reason I went to Linux in the first place was because Outlook Express crashed so often for me in Windows. And Windows was so virus prone. I haven't lost a single email since 2002 with Linux. Its rock solid. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 21:07 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 12:58 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I found the problem: evolution-mail-Message: Error occurred while existing dialogue active: Cannot append message to mbox file: /home/xxx/.evolution/mail/local/Inbox: File too large DB Operation ended. Time Taken : 0.167074 I checked an my inbox file is 2GB in size. Evolution didn't warn me or anything. I have to say that I am confused because I remember you saying that the problem was with a gmail account which should have been imap and in the imap subdirectory and not the local subdirectory. I don't access my gmail that way... although I suppose I could. I configure every account as a POP server and download all my emails to a local file on my machine. As indicated above, you have an INBOX like a cesspool and you don't break it down into subdirectories which is really what you need to do and not allow your INBOX or any subdirectory to get that big. If you read my initial post, you would note that I have about 25 email folders that all my mail gets sorted into. All the unsorted email, ie general stuff, ends up in Inbox. There is no cesspool in my system. I find the filters in Evolution work very well. That is why I use it. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 13:14 +, Bill Crawford wrote: On Friday 13 March 2009 04:07:27 Craig White wrote: I have to say that I am confused because I remember you saying that the problem was with a gmail account which should have been imap and in the imap subdirectory and not the local subdirectory. I remember when gmail didn't support IMAP ... it really wasn't *that* long ago. I still have a machine at home with a load of mail that was collected via POP3 from gmail. Still, I have it in Maildir format on the local disk ... I remember when gmail didn't support POP3 ! When it first came out, it was just an online email system. It couldn't serve anything. Now I don't know how I would live without it. As indicated above, you have an INBOX like a cesspool and you don't break it down into subdirectories which is really what you need to do and not allow your INBOX or any subdirectory to get that big. If we want to get serious about this problem, it wouldn't be hard for Evolution to see that the file size is approaching the size limit for the OS and split a folder into 2 files. The problem with manually splitting folders is that I don't think there is an easy way to search both of them simultaneously. Although I have to admit I haven't tried to do that yet, nor have I played much with vfolders... It's a bit rude to throw around words like cesspool when you actually mean tower of cards ;o) You guys underestimate the system I have running here. Evolution ROCKS ! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 09:40 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: As indicated above, you have an INBOX like a cesspool and you don't break it down into subdirectories which is really what you need to do and not allow your INBOX or any subdirectory to get that big. If we want to get serious about this problem, it wouldn't be hard for Evolution to see that the file size is approaching the size limit for the OS and split a folder into 2 files. The problem with manually splitting folders is that I don't think there is an easy way to search both of them simultaneously. Although I have to admit I haven't tried to do that yet, nor have I played much with vfolders... I suppose you could bugzilla an RFE but good luck. Evolution developers have their own agenda. As for searching multiple folders, if they are subfolders of your INBOX, then any search on your INBOX would automatically include subfolders. It's a bit rude to throw around words like cesspool when you actually mean tower of cards ;o) You guys underestimate the system I have running here. Evolution ROCKS ! I pretty much underestimate any person who keeps thousands of e-mails in their INBOX rather than organize their e-mail. I believe I have used Evolution since it's first appearance on RHL but I stopped using POP3 a long, long time ago so I haven't had to deal with mbox and all of it's fragility many years ago. In my mind, anyone who does a lot of e-mail should set up a mail server with IMAP and either cyrus-imapd or dovecot with Maildir and if necessary, use fetchmail or equivalent to retrieve e-mail from POP3 servers as they are much more efficient at storing, retrieving, indexing e-mail. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 08:53 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 09:40 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: As indicated above, you have an INBOX like a cesspool and you don't break it down into subdirectories which is really what you need to do and not allow your INBOX or any subdirectory to get that big. If we want to get serious about this problem, it wouldn't be hard for Evolution to see that the file size is approaching the size limit for the OS and split a folder into 2 files. The problem with manually splitting folders is that I don't think there is an easy way to search both of them simultaneously. Although I have to admit I haven't tried to do that yet, nor have I played much with vfolders... I suppose you could bugzilla an RFE but good luck. Evolution developers have their own agenda. As for searching multiple folders, if they are subfolders of your INBOX, then any search on your INBOX would automatically include subfolders. I'll check that out. It's a bit rude to throw around words like cesspool when you actually mean tower of cards ;o) You guys underestimate the system I have running here. Evolution ROCKS ! I pretty much underestimate any person who keeps thousands of e-mails in their INBOX rather than organize their e-mail. It IS organized. How many emails would you have in your GENERAL mailbox since 2002 ? No matter how well you organize things, you'll need a general this email doesn't fit anywhere else and can't be categorized mailbox. Well, mine is 2GB in size, because I do a LOT of email correspondence. I believe I have used Evolution since it's first appearance on RHL but I stopped using POP3 a long, long time ago so I haven't had to deal with mbox and all of it's fragility many years ago. In my mind, anyone who does a lot of e-mail should set up a mail server with IMAP and either cyrus-imapd or dovecot with Maildir and if necessary, use fetchmail or equivalent to retrieve e-mail from POP3 servers as they are much more efficient at storing, retrieving, indexing e-mail. None of that is necessary. Evolution works fine. Excellent in fact. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 10:30 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 08:53 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 09:40 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: As indicated above, you have an INBOX like a cesspool and you don't break it down into subdirectories which is really what you need to do and not allow your INBOX or any subdirectory to get that big. If we want to get serious about this problem, it wouldn't be hard for Evolution to see that the file size is approaching the size limit for the OS and split a folder into 2 files. The problem with manually splitting folders is that I don't think there is an easy way to search both of them simultaneously. Although I have to admit I haven't tried to do that yet, nor have I played much with vfolders... I suppose you could bugzilla an RFE but good luck. Evolution developers have their own agenda. As for searching multiple folders, if they are subfolders of your INBOX, then any search on your INBOX would automatically include subfolders. I'll check that out. It's a bit rude to throw around words like cesspool when you actually mean tower of cards ;o) You guys underestimate the system I have running here. Evolution ROCKS ! I pretty much underestimate any person who keeps thousands of e-mails in their INBOX rather than organize their e-mail. It IS organized. How many emails would you have in your GENERAL mailbox since 2002 ? No matter how well you organize things, you'll need a general this email doesn't fit anywhere else and can't be categorized mailbox. Well, mine is 2GB in size, because I do a LOT of email correspondence. umm...I have thousands of e-mails going back way past 2002 including all of my 'Sent' e-mails going back until 1997. I have everything organized and my largest folder is Sent_2008 which has 3391 e-mails in it. The thing is that using cyrus-imapd as I do, I don't have to worry about mbox limitations, my folders are indexed each night for fast searching and I can fire up any computer on my home LAN (i.e. my Windows system), still connect to the same mail so my e-mail is not held hostage to any one program on any one machine. If you do a 'LOT' of e-mail correspondence, you should first figure out the proper spelling of the term, second, figure out the best ways to handle, store, index and optimize the process. I believe I have used Evolution since it's first appearance on RHL but I stopped using POP3 a long, long time ago so I haven't had to deal with mbox and all of it's fragility many years ago. In my mind, anyone who does a lot of e-mail should set up a mail server with IMAP and either cyrus-imapd or dovecot with Maildir and if necessary, use fetchmail or equivalent to retrieve e-mail from POP3 servers as they are much more efficient at storing, retrieving, indexing e-mail. None of that is necessary. Evolution works fine. Excellent in fact. until it breaks - i.e., the point of this thread. Granted, none of that is necessary...but it's optimal. If I am out of the house, I can still retrieve my e-mail from a web server and if I am looking for a particular e-mail, I can direct a copy of it to my phone. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 09:52 -0700, Craig White wrote: umm...I have thousands of e-mails going back way past 2002 including all of my 'Sent' e-mails going back until 1997. I have everything organized and my largest folder is Sent_2008 which has 3391 e-mails in it. :rollseyes: Good for you ! :claps: Would you like a hero cookie with that ? The thing is that using cyrus-imapd as I do, I don't have to worry about mbox limitations, my folders are indexed each night for fast searching and I can fire up any computer on my home LAN (i.e. my Windows system), still connect to the same mail so my e-mail is not held hostage to any one program on any one machine. Good for you. I need access to emails when I have no network connectivity. Ie on the road. Which is why I download them all to local folders on my laptop. snip of useless drivia designed to make the replier look smart until it breaks - i.e., the point of this thread. Yeah, once every 6 years when a folder gets 2GB of data in it, I have to split the folder into a main folder and a sub folder. :rollseyes: Evolution is obviously a really high maintenance, unreliable email client. Granted, none of that is necessary...but it's optimal. If I am out of the house, I can still retrieve my e-mail from a web server and if I am looking for a particular e-mail, I can direct a copy of it to my phone. **IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO A NETWORK !** What access do you have when you don't have a network ? If I have a network, I can log into my gmail account and I have full access. And if my laptop quits, I still have full access via gmail. What happens when your server quits ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 11:24 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: :rollseyes: Good for you ! :claps: Would you like a hero cookie with that ? at the point where you get into sarcasm towards someone whose intent is to demonstrate that there are other more reliable methods to handle e-mail is where I bail out. Good luck Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
2009/3/13 Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com: On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 11:24 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: :rollseyes: Good for you ! :claps: Would you like a hero cookie with that ? at the point where you get into sarcasm towards someone whose intent is to demonstrate that there are other more reliable methods to handle e-mail is where I bail out. I'm pretty sure you should have bailed out right *before* the phrase: If you do a 'LOT' of e-mail correspondence, you should first figure out the proper spelling of the term -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 09:31 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: Don't forget to Expunge (or Empty Trash) to make sure the space is really freed. In fact if you aren't in the habit of doing that, just run Expunge on your Inbox folder and see if it reduces; it might be full of ancient deleted messages. I didn't know this was necessary. Interesting. http://www.go-evolution.org/FAQ#I_deleted_a_bunch_of_mail_but_my_mailbox_is_just_as_big_as_before._Why.3F (you might find the rest of the FAQ illuminating as well). poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 14:21 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 09:31 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: Don't forget to Expunge (or Empty Trash) to make sure the space is really freed. In fact if you aren't in the habit of doing that, just run Expunge on your Inbox folder and see if it reduces; it might be full of ancient deleted messages. I didn't know this was necessary. Interesting. http://www.go-evolution.org/FAQ#I_deleted_a_bunch_of_mail_but_my_mailbox_is_just_as_big_as_before._Why.3F (you might find the rest of the FAQ illuminating as well). Thanks. I'll take a look at it. LG -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 11:25 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:37 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:15 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
snip
So either Evolution isn't downloading the emails from that account or it
is throwing them away. How do I troubleshoot this ?
You can log Evo's actions by running it like this:
% CAMEL_DEBUG=all evolution /tmp/camel.out
and looking at /tmp/camel.out, e.g. using tail -f. This logs all
interactions between Evo and the server (except for passwords, which are
hidden).
I did this. The only remotely abnormal thing I see in the file is:
=
(evolution:9326): camel-WARNING **: Error in select statement 'SELECT
uid,flags FROM 'Templates' order by bdata collate mbox_frompos_sort' [no
such table: Templates].
Thread b7f27980
CamelStore('mbox:/home/xxx/.evolution/mail/local'):get_folder('Templates', 1) =
0x948ae58
b7f27980
Thread b7f27980
CamelStore('mbox:/home/xxx/.evolution/mail/local'):get_folder('Inbox',
1) = 0x948ac78
b7f27980
Database succesfully opened
=
Any ideas ?
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Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 12:45 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 11:25 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:37 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:15 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
snip
So either Evolution isn't downloading the emails from that account or it
is throwing them away. How do I troubleshoot this ?
You can log Evo's actions by running it like this:
% CAMEL_DEBUG=all evolution /tmp/camel.out
and looking at /tmp/camel.out, e.g. using tail -f. This logs all
interactions between Evo and the server (except for passwords, which are
hidden).
I did this. The only remotely abnormal thing I see in the file is:
=
(evolution:9326): camel-WARNING **: Error in select statement 'SELECT
uid,flags FROM 'Templates' order by bdata collate mbox_frompos_sort' [no
such table: Templates].
Thread b7f27980
CamelStore('mbox:/home/xxx/.evolution/mail/local'):get_folder('Templates', 1)
= 0x948ae58
b7f27980
Thread b7f27980
CamelStore('mbox:/home/xxx/.evolution/mail/local'):get_folder('Inbox',
1) = 0x948ac78
b7f27980
Database succesfully opened
=
Any ideas ?
I found the problem:
evolution-mail-Message: Error occurred while existing dialogue active:
Cannot append message to mbox
file: /home/xxx/.evolution/mail/local/Inbox: File too large
DB Operation ended. Time Taken : 0.167074
I checked an my inbox file is 2GB in size. Evolution didn't warn me or
anything.
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Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 12:58 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I found the problem: evolution-mail-Message: Error occurred while existing dialogue active: Cannot append message to mbox file: /home/xxx/.evolution/mail/local/Inbox: File too large DB Operation ended. Time Taken : 0.167074 I checked an my inbox file is 2GB in size. Evolution didn't warn me or anything. In which case you should complain to http://bugzilla.gnome.org (but check first because this error rings a bell and may already have been reported). To reduce the size of your Inbox, move stuff to subfolders. Don't forget to Expunge (or Empty Trash) to make sure the space is really freed. In fact if you aren't in the habit of doing that, just run Expunge on your Inbox folder and see if it reduces; it might be full of ancient deleted messages. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 12:58 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I checked an my inbox file is 2GB in size. Evolution didn't warn me or anything. Ugh! Though I'm surprised that Evolution didn't get as slow as hell with a mailfile approaching that size, before it jammed up. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 09:49 +1030, Tim wrote: On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 12:58 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I checked an my inbox file is 2GB in size. Evolution didn't warn me or anything. Ugh! Though I'm surprised that Evolution didn't get as slow as hell with a mailfile approaching that size, before it jammed up. It does a lot of indexing, so it generally isn't necessary to read the whole file. Still, having so large a folder means you can lose an awful lot of mail in one swell foop. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm wondering if Evolution might be throwing out emails that it shouldn't be. I use Evolution in F10 to manage my emails. I have a number of different email accounts for various purposes. I have filters set up to sort my incoming emails into about 20 different folders, based on the sender. If an email doesn't match any of the filters, it ends up in my general inbox. I haven't received any 3rd party email in my inbox since Thursday at noon. This is highly unusual. I sent myself a test email yesterday from one of my accounts and it correctly ended up in my inbox. But no other emails have ended up there and I suspect that some should be. I just got a phone call from a guy that claims he sent me 4 emails and they aren't in my inbox, nor the junk or trash folders. Furthermore, when I do a Send/Receive in Evolution, it states it is getting emails for an account that is never filtered and yet none of those emails are showing up in my inbox folder. How would I verify that Evolution isn't throwing away some of my emails ? Thanks Is it possible Evo simply isn't getting the mails from that account (the one mentioned that is unfiltered)? It could be a corrupt message hanging the queue on that account and Evo isn't letting you know it's not actually getting mail from it. Typically, I log into mail from the command line when I suspect that, but setting up Tbird as a test (and leaving the messages on the server if you don't want to leave them in TBird) would work just as well. -- Frustra laborant quotquot se calculationibus fatigant pro inventione quadraturae circuli Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administrator ERC Broadband (828) 350-2415 Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:15 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm wondering if Evolution might be throwing out emails that it shouldn't be. Or is it simply not showing them? Look in the view menu, and untick any hide options, then see if that makes any difference. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.15-78.2.23.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:15 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm wondering if Evolution might be throwing out emails that it shouldn't be. I use Evolution in F10 to manage my emails. I have a number of different email accounts for various purposes. I have filters set up to sort my incoming emails into about 20 different folders, based on the sender. If an email doesn't match any of the filters, it ends up in my general inbox. I haven't received any 3rd party email in my inbox since Thursday at noon. This is highly unusual. I sent myself a test email yesterday from one of my accounts and it correctly ended up in my inbox. But no other emails have ended up there and I suspect that some should be. I just got a phone call from a guy that claims he sent me 4 emails and they aren't in my inbox, nor the junk or trash folders. Furthermore, when I do a Send/Receive in Evolution, it states it is getting emails for an account that is never filtered and yet none of those emails are showing up in my inbox folder. How would I verify that Evolution isn't throwing away some of my emails ? Could be a problem with the new indexing code. Try the following: 1) Shut down Evo completely: evolution --force-shutdown 2) Run the script found here: http://www.gnome.org/~sragavan/evolution-rebuild-summarydb 3) Restart Evo. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:15 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm wondering if Evolution might be throwing out emails that it shouldn't be. I use Evolution in F10 to manage my emails. I have a number of different email accounts for various purposes. I have filters set up to sort my incoming emails into about 20 different folders, based on the sender. If an email doesn't match any of the filters, it ends up in my general inbox. I haven't received any 3rd party email in my inbox since Thursday at noon. This is highly unusual. I sent myself a test email yesterday from one of my accounts and it correctly ended up in my inbox. But no other emails have ended up there and I suspect that some should be. I just got a phone call from a guy that claims he sent me 4 emails and they aren't in my inbox, nor the junk or trash folders. Furthermore, when I do a Send/Receive in Evolution, it states it is getting emails for an account that is never filtered and yet none of those emails are showing up in my inbox folder. How would I verify that Evolution isn't throwing away some of my emails ? I was half asleep when I wrote this. The account in question is a gmail account. I logged into gmail directly and checked and there are over a dozen emails sitting in the account that haven't shown up in Evolution. I don't have delete once downloaded selected in Evolution, so the emails stay in the gmail account even after they are downloaded. So either Evolution isn't downloading the emails from that account or it is throwing them away. How do I troubleshoot this ? Thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 01:55 +1030, Tim wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:15 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm wondering if Evolution might be throwing out emails that it shouldn't be. Or is it simply not showing them? Look in the view menu, and untick any hide options, then see if that makes any difference. Also, make sure the Search box is clear. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 11:03 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:15 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm wondering if Evolution might be throwing out emails that it shouldn't be. I use Evolution in F10 to manage my emails. I have a number of different email accounts for various purposes. I have filters set up to sort my incoming emails into about 20 different folders, based on the sender. If an email doesn't match any of the filters, it ends up in my general inbox. I haven't received any 3rd party email in my inbox since Thursday at noon. This is highly unusual. I sent myself a test email yesterday from one of my accounts and it correctly ended up in my inbox. But no other emails have ended up there and I suspect that some should be. I just got a phone call from a guy that claims he sent me 4 emails and they aren't in my inbox, nor the junk or trash folders. Furthermore, when I do a Send/Receive in Evolution, it states it is getting emails for an account that is never filtered and yet none of those emails are showing up in my inbox folder. How would I verify that Evolution isn't throwing away some of my emails ? Could be a problem with the new indexing code. Try the following: 1) Shut down Evo completely: evolution --force-shutdown 2) Run the script found here: http://www.gnome.org/~sragavan/evolution-rebuild-summarydb 3) Restart Evo. I ran this and it did not fix the problem. Thanks anyway. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009, Linuxguy123 wrote: How would I verify that Evolution isn't throwing away some of my emails ? The simple way would be to check the emails by another means. I have seen evolution lose and forget about large blocks of emails, but viewing them by alternate means show that they really are still there. It just means that evolutions indexes are messed up. Michael Young -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 11:05 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 01:55 +1030, Tim wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:15 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm wondering if Evolution might be throwing out emails that it shouldn't be. Or is it simply not showing them? Look in the view menu, and untick any hide options, then see if that makes any difference. Also, make sure the Search box is clear. It is. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:37 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:15 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm wondering if Evolution might be throwing out emails that it shouldn't be. I use Evolution in F10 to manage my emails. I have a number of different email accounts for various purposes. I have filters set up to sort my incoming emails into about 20 different folders, based on the sender. If an email doesn't match any of the filters, it ends up in my general inbox. I haven't received any 3rd party email in my inbox since Thursday at noon. This is highly unusual. I sent myself a test email yesterday from one of my accounts and it correctly ended up in my inbox. But no other emails have ended up there and I suspect that some should be. I just got a phone call from a guy that claims he sent me 4 emails and they aren't in my inbox, nor the junk or trash folders. Furthermore, when I do a Send/Receive in Evolution, it states it is getting emails for an account that is never filtered and yet none of those emails are showing up in my inbox folder. How would I verify that Evolution isn't throwing away some of my emails ? I was half asleep when I wrote this. The account in question is a gmail account. I logged into gmail directly and checked and there are over a dozen emails sitting in the account that haven't shown up in Evolution. I don't have delete once downloaded selected in Evolution, so the emails stay in the gmail account even after they are downloaded. So either Evolution isn't downloading the emails from that account or it is throwing them away. How do I troubleshoot this ? You can log Evo's actions by running it like this: % CAMEL_DEBUG=all evolution /tmp/camel.out and looking at /tmp/camel.out, e.g. using tail -f. This logs all interactions between Evo and the server (except for passwords, which are hidden). poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:37 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: The account in question is a gmail account. I logged into gmail directly and checked and there are over a dozen emails sitting in the account that haven't shown up in Evolution. I don't have delete once downloaded selected in Evolution, so the emails stay in the gmail account even after they are downloaded. Hmm, that can get messy if servers do something unpredictable. e.g. It's expected that each message has a unique number. The mail client knows that if it's fetched message X, then it doesn't need to fetch it again. If a server gives a new message the same number as one the client has already fetched, the client thinks its the old message that it's fetched, so it doesn't fetch this one. And there's other gotchas: Clients not downloading what it thinks are read messages, where the flagging of read has been inappropriately associated with a message. Broken messages jamming up the server. There's a rather lengthy list of things that go wrong when you try leaving messages on servers, particularly when using protocols not really designed for that sort of thing (like POP3). I got thoroughly sick of having to deal with other people's mail servers (my ISPs, and other mail service providers). Now I run my own, which fetches and deletes all mail from remote services, and my local mail server holds everything. Local clients use IMAP to access it. Local clients store nothing. What's been read on one box can easily be accessed from another box. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.15-78.2.23.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On 3/10/2009 11:37 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:15 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm wondering if Evolution might be throwing out emails that it shouldn't be. I use Evolution in F10 to manage my emails. I have a number of different email accounts for various purposes. I have filters set up to sort my incoming emails into about 20 different folders, based on the sender. If an email doesn't match any of the filters, it ends up in my general inbox. I haven't received any 3rd party email in my inbox since Thursday at noon. This is highly unusual. I sent myself a test email yesterday from one of my accounts and it correctly ended up in my inbox. But no other emails have ended up there and I suspect that some should be. I just got a phone call from a guy that claims he sent me 4 emails and they aren't in my inbox, nor the junk or trash folders. Furthermore, when I do a Send/Receive in Evolution, it states it is getting emails for an account that is never filtered and yet none of those emails are showing up in my inbox folder. How would I verify that Evolution isn't throwing away some of my emails ? I was half asleep when I wrote this. The account in question is a gmail account. I logged into gmail directly and checked and there are over a dozen emails sitting in the account that haven't shown up in Evolution. I don't have delete once downloaded selected in Evolution, so the emails stay in the gmail account even after they are downloaded. So either Evolution isn't downloading the emails from that account or it is throwing them away. How do I troubleshoot this ? A 'feature' of Gmail is that it does not 'return' to you *from* a mailing list a copy of a post you make *to* a mailing list. Great feature? I think not. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 02:33 +1030, Tim wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:37 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: The account in question is a gmail account. I logged into gmail directly and checked and there are over a dozen emails sitting in the account that haven't shown up in Evolution. I don't have delete once downloaded selected in Evolution, so the emails stay in the gmail account even after they are downloaded. Hmm, that can get messy if servers do something unpredictable. e.g. It's expected that each message has a unique number. The mail client knows that if it's fetched message X, then it doesn't need to fetch it again. If a server gives a new message the same number as one the client has already fetched, the client thinks its the old message that it's fetched, so it doesn't fetch this one. And there's other gotchas: Clients not downloading what it thinks are read messages, where the flagging of read has been inappropriately associated with a message. Broken messages jamming up the server. There's a rather lengthy list of things that go wrong when you try leaving messages on servers, particularly when using protocols not really designed for that sort of thing (like POP3). I've been using gmail for my mail servers for several years now, with several accounts. This is the first time I've had a problem. I love having the redundancy of being able to check my email online with gmail. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 12:33 -0400, David wrote: On 3/10/2009 11:37 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:15 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm wondering if Evolution might be throwing out emails that it shouldn't be. I use Evolution in F10 to manage my emails. I have a number of different email accounts for various purposes. I have filters set up to sort my incoming emails into about 20 different folders, based on the sender. If an email doesn't match any of the filters, it ends up in my general inbox. I haven't received any 3rd party email in my inbox since Thursday at noon. This is highly unusual. I sent myself a test email yesterday from one of my accounts and it correctly ended up in my inbox. But no other emails have ended up there and I suspect that some should be. I just got a phone call from a guy that claims he sent me 4 emails and they aren't in my inbox, nor the junk or trash folders. Furthermore, when I do a Send/Receive in Evolution, it states it is getting emails for an account that is never filtered and yet none of those emails are showing up in my inbox folder. How would I verify that Evolution isn't throwing away some of my emails ? I was half asleep when I wrote this. The account in question is a gmail account. I logged into gmail directly and checked and there are over a dozen emails sitting in the account that haven't shown up in Evolution. I don't have delete once downloaded selected in Evolution, so the emails stay in the gmail account even after they are downloaded. So either Evolution isn't downloading the emails from that account or it is throwing them away. How do I troubleshoot this ? A 'feature' of Gmail is that it does not 'return' to you *from* a mailing list a copy of a post you make *to* a mailing list. Great feature? I think not. I agree, but that has nothing to do with my current problem. I didn't mean to open this post to criticisms of gmail's features. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 12:33 -0400, David wrote: A 'feature' of Gmail is that it does not 'return' to you *from* a mailing list a copy of a post you make *to* a mailing list. Great feature? I think not. It's very easy to set up a vfolder in Evo to show messages both to and from the list. I do that for this list, which I receive on Gmail. You just add Gmail/Sent Mail to the set of folders being filtered. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
2009/3/10 David dgbo...@comcast.net: A 'feature' of Gmail is that it does not 'return' to you *from* a mailing list a copy of a post you make *to* a mailing list. Great feature? I think not. It's because it considers the incoming message to be the same as the one already in your Sent folder because the Message ID is common. I presume that's a design decision so that a message only takes up one unit of space no matter how many GMail labels are applied to it. The way I get around this is to filter to:fedora-list@redhat.com and apply a Lists/fedora label. That appears as an IMAP sub-folder and when I view that label in the Gmail web interface or in a real client it shows all my messages to the list. The only downside is that it doesn't consider them new messages, so when I view that folder/label my messages are already read - but as I tend to read them as I write them, I don't consider that a massive drawback ;o) I've been using GMail for all my mail (it pulls from my other accounts via POP3) for about 3 months and I am generally very happy. At work I use Thunderbird via IMAP to read it, but everywhere else I use the web interface and I haven't found anything I want to do that Gmail can't at least reasonably approximate. -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
