Re: Kaffiene vs gene, score 1-0
Tim: Isn't that why it has a search feature? To find the things for you that you can't find in its chaos. Gene Heskett: What search feature? You mean find files/folders? One needs a valid name, and I know how to run locate, which seems to be about 3 magnitudes faster. :) The one in the KDE menu, to find KDE menu items that you can't find. The one that gets mentioned to me any time that I've said something about the slowness/chaos of the KDE menu system. Of course, you need to know an applicable keyword to enter. When all else fails, locate the sound files used when starting and stopping, and re-record them at quarter volume levels. And how to do that when you have no idea of that particular pair of filenames? Chuckle. There is always a smartass in the crowd, usually me, Tim. :) Use locate to find sound files (ogg, au, wav, whatever...), play what sounds likely to be the start and stop sounds, or dump the lot into something like xmms, and listen to them all. When you find the right ones, you can modify them. A brute force and ignorance approach, but it works. I found all sorts of interesting sound effects that way, before. And pranked mum by making her computer make animal noises for each and every feature her sound preferences had actions for. Drove her mad for a couple of days, before I relented and removed them. ;-) -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffiene vs gene, score 1-0
On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 00:29 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: but the volume control is stuck at 100% I wonder if that's because you're using a sound system that's not supported (e.g. you've killed pulseaudio), or one that doesn't support volume controlling. I see that sort of thing (ghosted out volume controls) on Pidgin, depending on which sound system I configure its annunciators to use. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffiene vs gene, score 1-0
Gene Heskett wrote: Is the lack of akonadi why I can't fix any of this stuff? No, this has nothing to do with Akonadi. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffiene vs gene, score 1-0
On 3/11/2009 2:42 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 11 March 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; Everytime I do a startx, I waste about 3 minutes killing kaffiene, which insists on starting, complete with several error messages related to gstreamer. I can select quit from its file menu, but then I have to run htop, find the one kaffeine process that is still running and locking up my tv card from any other programs access, and kill it. And on the next reboot and startx, its the same darned song and dance. How the heck can I stop running kaffeine at an x start? For my card, it is a thoroughly broken application. I may also have found the src of my F10 instability. I just rebuilt my fav kernels using the F10 compiler tools, and so far not an Oops or BUG in half an hour of uptime. That knocking sound? Yeah. :) PS: A 2nd subject: As an afterthought, I also have about 2 minutes of a dead system when I start kmail, which is apparently waiting on akonadi, which eventually fails of course because my system has a mysql installed that was already configured for mythtv usage when I upgraded, not installed, from F8 to F10. I have asked several times for how to fix this, even posted the error log, but so far no solution has been offered. I have used mysqladministrator to add akonadi as a client, using that as passwd too, and setup akonadi with matching passwds too, but that makes no diff that I can see. If we cannot fix this using the normal setup procedures, then how can I rid kmail of this akonadi dependency, as it runs just fine ANAICT without it? 3rd subject, where is the default volume set for the startup and shutdown audio splash files, they are blowing out the windows on the neighbors houses. Good luck on the multiple subjects under one subject. ;-) That usually does not work because they get lost when the thread wanders off. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffiene vs gene, score 1-0
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 14:42 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: 3rd subject, where is the default volume set for the startup and shutdown audio splash files, they are blowing out the windows on the neighbors houses. You could (a) opt not to have startup and shutdown noises, (b) pick quieter sound effects for those events. Way back when I still used a Windows box, I first did the (b) option. But the sheer number of reboots prompted me to do the (a) option. These days it makes sense to pick the (a) option as it has the computer doing less things during two moments you really don't want to slow the computer down with yet more things to do. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffiene vs gene, score 1-0
On Wednesday 11 March 2009, David wrote: On 3/11/2009 2:42 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 11 March 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; Everytime I do a startx, I waste about 3 minutes killing kaffiene, which insists on starting, complete with several error messages related to gstreamer. I can select quit from its file menu, but then I have to run htop, find the one kaffeine process that is still running and locking up my tv card from any other programs access, and kill it. And on the next reboot and startx, its the same darned song and dance. How the heck can I stop running kaffeine at an x start? For my card, it is a thoroughly broken application. I may also have found the src of my F10 instability. I just rebuilt my fav kernels using the F10 compiler tools, and so far not an Oops or BUG in half an hour of uptime. That knocking sound? Yeah. :) PS: A 2nd subject: As an afterthought, I also have about 2 minutes of a dead system when I start kmail, which is apparently waiting on akonadi, which eventually fails of course because my system has a mysql installed that was already configured for mythtv usage when I upgraded, not installed, from F8 to F10. I have asked several times for how to fix this, even posted the error log, but so far no solution has been offered. I have used mysqladministrator to add akonadi as a client, using that as passwd too, and setup akonadi with matching passwds too, but that makes no diff that I can see. If we cannot fix this using the normal setup procedures, then how can I rid kmail of this akonadi dependency, as it runs just fine ANAICT without it? 3rd subject, where is the default volume set for the startup and shutdown audio splash files, they are blowing out the windows on the neighbors houses. Good luck on the multiple subjects under one subject. ;-) That usually does not work because they get lost when the thread wanders off. Tell me about it, but I just had to get that rant off my chest, it was getting heavy. :) -- David -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Why do seagulls live near the sea? 'Cause if they lived near the bay, they'd be called baygulls. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffiene vs gene, score 1-0
On Wednesday 11 March 2009, Tim wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 14:42 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: 3rd subject, where is the default volume set for the startup and shutdown audio splash files, they are blowing out the windows on the neighbors houses. You could (a) opt not to have startup and shutdown noises, (b) pick quieter sound effects for those events. And where is that choice administered? So many menu's have changed between 3.5.9 and 4.2, and become so 'simplified' in favor of leaving so much as defaults, there is little enough intuition as to where they are. And I have explored most of the likely looking items in the k-menu. Way back when I still used a Windows box, I first did the (b) option. But the sheer number of reboots prompted me to do the (a) option. Exactly Tim, and thanks. These days it makes sense to pick the (a) option as it has the computer doing less things during two moments you really don't want to slow the computer down with yet more things to do. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Why do seagulls live near the sea? 'Cause if they lived near the bay, they'd be called baygulls. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffiene vs gene, score 1-0
Tim: You could (a) opt not to have startup and shutdown noises, (b) pick quieter sound effects for those events. Gene Heskett: And where is that choice administered? So many menu's have changed between 3.5.9 and 4.2, and become so 'simplified' in favor of leaving so much as defaults, there is little enough intuition as to where they are. And I have explored most of the likely looking items in the k-menu. Isn't that why it has a search feature? To find the things for you that you can't find in its chaos. When all else fails, locate the sound files used when starting and stopping, and re-record them at quarter volume levels. That was how I made less important annunciators quieter, while the important ones were still attention getting. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.19-78.2.30.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffiene vs gene, score 1-0
Gene Heskett wrote: Everytime I do a startx, I waste about 3 minutes killing kaffiene, which insists on starting, complete with several error messages related to gstreamer. Why did you configure Kaffeine for GStreamer rather than the default xine-lib anyway? I think that backend is tested about once every blue moon. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffiene vs gene, score 1-0
On 3/11/2009 8:41 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 11 March 2009, David wrote: On 3/11/2009 2:42 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 11 March 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; Everytime I do a startx, I waste about 3 minutes killing kaffiene, which insists on starting, complete with several error messages related to gstreamer. I can select quit from its file menu, but then I have to run htop, find the one kaffeine process that is still running and locking up my tv card from any other programs access, and kill it. And on the next reboot and startx, its the same darned song and dance. How the heck can I stop running kaffeine at an x start? For my card, it is a thoroughly broken application. I may also have found the src of my F10 instability. I just rebuilt my fav kernels using the F10 compiler tools, and so far not an Oops or BUG in half an hour of uptime. That knocking sound? Yeah. :) PS: A 2nd subject: As an afterthought, I also have about 2 minutes of a dead system when I start kmail, which is apparently waiting on akonadi, which eventually fails of course because my system has a mysql installed that was already configured for mythtv usage when I upgraded, not installed, from F8 to F10. I have asked several times for how to fix this, even posted the error log, but so far no solution has been offered. I have used mysqladministrator to add akonadi as a client, using that as passwd too, and setup akonadi with matching passwds too, but that makes no diff that I can see. If we cannot fix this using the normal setup procedures, then how can I rid kmail of this akonadi dependency, as it runs just fine ANAICT without it? 3rd subject, where is the default volume set for the startup and shutdown audio splash files, they are blowing out the windows on the neighbors houses. Good luck on the multiple subjects under one subject. ;-) That usually does not work because they get lost when the thread wanders off. Tell me about it, but I just had to get that rant off my chest, it was getting heavy. :) But you did get the hint? Separate posts with different subject lines for different problems? This list, actually many other lists too, have gotten 'nasty' lately. Very nasty. But this is a good list for help. Your SELinux problems go to that list. Those guys there are the guys that 'do' it so they can help. They 'help' there are the guys that write the code. Just answer the questions. You will get your SELinux answer/solution. The tech KDE stuff? Not sure. Kevin Kolfer (I know that name is not correct - sorry Kevin) seems to be the Fedora KDE guy. In the least he knows his 'poo'. ;-) General KDE help? Go here to this WiKi: http://userbase.kde.org/ You have seen Anne Wilson's name here? She is not a developer or such but she has 'ins' like you would not believe. She is very active with that WiKi. Go with a clear question and the same type of answers to her will help you a lot. If she does not know she knows just who to ask. As for the rest? There are people, here, that can help you. *If* you can clearly describe your situation/problem and and keep it that way. The rants tend to run off help. There are a lot of good people here. Remember that you, and you alone, have your machine. It might be the only one like it in the world. And that you, again you alone, can see it and touch it. It is very difficult to try to help someone that will not 'help the helper'. And it gets more difficult to help the more that you 'pollute' your system with off distro stuff and 'tricks'. Good luck old friend. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffiene vs gene, score 1-0
Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 11 March 2009, Tim wrote: You could (a) opt not to have startup and shutdown noises, (b) pick quieter sound effects for those events. And where is that choice administered? System Settings / Notifications / System notifications Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffiene vs gene, score 1-0
On Wednesday 11 March 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 11 March 2009, Tim wrote: You could (a) opt not to have startup and shutdown noises, (b) pick quieter sound effects for those events. And where is that choice administered? System Settings / Notifications / System notifications Kevin Kofler That I found, but the volume control is stuck at 100%. Recall, akonadi is not running here as I've posted before. Is the lack of akonadi why I can't fix any of this stuff? Thanks Kevin. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Veni, vidi, vici. [I came, I saw, I conquered]. -- Gaius Julius Caesar -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffiene vs gene, score 1-0
On Wednesday 11 March 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: Everytime I do a startx, I waste about 3 minutes killing kaffiene, which insists on starting, complete with several error messages related to gstreamer. Why did you configure Kaffeine for GStreamer rather than the default xine-lib anyway? I think that backend is tested about once every blue moon. Kevin Kofler I didn't, its 8.7, and specifically built with --without-gstreamer as an argument to configure when I configured the build. 8.6's rpm's don't work unless somebody wants to send me a channel file since the find stations scanner doesn't work in 8.6, and I can't find enough docs to write one. Thanks Kevin. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Veni, vidi, vici. [I came, I saw, I conquered]. -- Gaius Julius Caesar -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
