Re: fc12 and grubconf

2009-12-17 Thread Gene Heskett 
On Thursday 17 December 2009, david walcroft wrote:
>On 12/17/2009 03:27 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Wednesday 16 December 2009, david walcroft wrote:
>>> I tried to edit grubconf. with vim but when I tried to change 'rhgb' and
>>> 'quiet' the cursor would not edit the line as the cursor would not stop
>>> at the line,it went either above or below the line.
>>> Is this new behavior in fc12
>>>
>>> david
>>
>> No David.  That is a long line and you need to start on what you call the
>> line about it, and then right arrow till you get there.
line above it, etc

>Thanks Gene,I should have known to try it.
>
>david
>
And I should have typed above, not about.  Fingers and brain do not always 
seem to be on the same page after all these years.:)

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Re: fc12 and grubconf

2009-12-17 Thread david walcroft 

On 12/17/2009 03:27 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Wednesday 16 December 2009, david walcroft wrote:

I tried to edit grubconf. with vim but when I tried to change 'rhgb' and
'quiet' the cursor would not edit the line as the cursor would not stop
at the line,it went either above or below the line.
Is this new behavior in fc12

david


No David.  That is a long line and you need to start on what you call the
line about it, and then right arrow till you get there.


Thanks Gene,I should have known to try it.

david

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Re: fc12 and grubconf

2009-12-17 Thread Bruno Wolff III 
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:15:03 +,
  Marko Vojinovic  wrote:
> 
> So vim does this as well? Such behavior is the only thing I absolutely *hate* 
> in emacs. It is completely nonintuitive to word-wrap the text but not cursor 
> movement. When one presses the down arrow, one naturally expects the cursor 
> to 
> go down to the next line of what is visibly presented on the screen (be it 
> the 
> same actual line or the next one), not down to the next line of a file whose 
> structure which is not directly visible.

I prefer arrow keys jump to the next line of data, rather than to the next
visible on the screen. Otherwise it is hard to tell that text is really
one long line.

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Re: fc12 and grubconf

2009-12-17 Thread Craig White 
On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 11:15 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> On Thursday 17 December 2009 05:27:32 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 16 December 2009, david walcroft wrote:
> > >I tried to edit grubconf. with vim but when I tried to change 'rhgb' and
> > >'quiet' the cursor would not edit the line as the cursor would not stop
> > >at the line,it went either above or below the line.
> > >Is this new behavior in fc12
> > >
> > >david
> > 
> > No David.  That is a long line and you need to start on what you call the
> > line about it, and then right arrow till you get there.
> 
> So vim does this as well? Such behavior is the only thing I absolutely *hate* 
> in emacs. It is completely nonintuitive to word-wrap the text but not cursor 
> movement. When one presses the down arrow, one naturally expects the cursor 
> to 
> go down to the next line of what is visibly presented on the screen (be it 
> the 
> same actual line or the next one), not down to the next line of a file whose 
> structure which is not directly visible.

such is the behavior of 'line editors' - always been that way.

people who write code sort of appreciate the line editor logic and
people who are primarily used to word processing in a GUI environment
often don't get it.

Craig


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Re: fc12 and grubconf

2009-12-17 Thread Marko Vojinovic 
On Thursday 17 December 2009 05:27:32 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 16 December 2009, david walcroft wrote:
> >I tried to edit grubconf. with vim but when I tried to change 'rhgb' and
> >'quiet' the cursor would not edit the line as the cursor would not stop
> >at the line,it went either above or below the line.
> >Is this new behavior in fc12
> >
> >david
> 
> No David.  That is a long line and you need to start on what you call the
> line about it, and then right arrow till you get there.

So vim does this as well? Such behavior is the only thing I absolutely *hate* 
in emacs. It is completely nonintuitive to word-wrap the text but not cursor 
movement. When one presses the down arrow, one naturally expects the cursor to 
go down to the next line of what is visibly presented on the screen (be it the 
same actual line or the next one), not down to the next line of a file whose 
structure which is not directly visible.

Best, :-)
Marko

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Re: fc12 and grubconf

2009-12-16 Thread Gene Heskett 
On Wednesday 16 December 2009, david walcroft wrote:
>I tried to edit grubconf. with vim but when I tried to change 'rhgb' and
>'quiet' the cursor would not edit the line as the cursor would not stop
>at the line,it went either above or below the line.
>Is this new behavior in fc12
>
>david
>
No David.  That is a long line and you need to start on what you call the 
line about it, and then right arrow till you get there.

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