Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Mike McCarty]

Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote:

why not contribute with fedora and rpmfusion ?

the only reason to fedora doesn't have LTS is the man power.


There used to be a Fedora Legacy which had similar goals, and
which failed partially because of lack of people willing to
donate time, and partially because the churn of Fedora was
reduced.

Respins already exist, CentOS and Scientific Linux spring
to mind.

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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Rahul Sundaram]

Adel ESSAFI wrote:
> Well,
> I think that I have chosen a bad subject for this discussion. I wanted
> to focus about the multimedia aspect and that there are a big variety
> software in Fedora. That may make the newbies a bit disturbed at the
> beginning.
> Any way, I will concentrate to contribute (me and some of my student) to
> contribute in fedora. What do you think about making media player detect
> the missing codecs and ask to download them automatically (install
> rpmfusion and download the needed packages). I have never contributed
> before. How long time do you think that such implemented function need
> to be implemented.
> 

PackageKit already implements similar functionality. It detects and
automatically installs the right codecs if it is available in the
repository. The problem is not technical. It is a legal issue. We are
not allowed to pull in patent encumbered software from other repository.
That is the same as including it by default.

Rahul

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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Alan Cox]

On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:20:42 +0100
Adel ESSAFI  wrote:

> Well,
> I see that many of you point me to centOs. The idea is interresting.
> However, why centOs is not as known as ubuntu. The main advantage in ubunti
> (in my point of view) is LTS and codecs!  Why centOS is not a commercial
> success?

I wasn't that Ubuntu was either..

CentOS isn't trying to be a commercial success. It's trying to be a
community distribution. To be a commercial success you need business
support services, training and all the other stuff - at which point you
are looking at things like Red Hat Enterprise Linux.

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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Adel ESSAFI]

Well,
I think that I have chosen a bad subject for this discussion. I wanted to
focus about the multimedia aspect and that there are a big variety software
in Fedora. That may make the newbies a bit disturbed at the beginning.
Any way, I will concentrate to contribute (me and some of my student) to
contribute in fedora. What do you think about making media player detect the
missing codecs and ask to download them automatically (install rpmfusion and
download the needed packages). I have never contributed before. How long
time do you think that such implemented function need to be implemented.

Regards

Adel




2009/3/22 Jeff Spaleta 

> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Tosh  wrote:
> > Please note, CentOS IS A COMMERCIAL SUCCESS
> > Many bigger enterprises use CentOS, but they do not advertise it and it
> is
> > very popular for small & medium enterprises
> > CentOS/Fedora does lacks the same consumer fame like Ubuntu
> > Two main reasons according to me :
> > (1) Commercial backing => limited funding => less advertisement
> > (2) Perception amongst users and the media => leading to less knowledge
> how
> > to use the product
>
>
> It might be worth suggesting to the CentOS developer community to look
> at adopting MirrorManager and its support for local network mirror
> administration and to start to collect aggregate data concerning the
> number of client systems looking at the centralized Centos
> MirrorManager instance.  Getting hard numbers on the number of Centos
> installs the same way Fedora is could really help raise the level of
> awareness of how pervasise Cento is is out in the wild.
>
> I think Centos is flying under the radar a bit too much, but for that
> to change Centos users need to be encouraged to be a little more vocal
> about its use.
>
> -jef.
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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Jeff Spaleta]

On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Tosh  wrote:
> Please note, CentOS IS A COMMERCIAL SUCCESS
> Many bigger enterprises use CentOS, but they do not advertise it and it is
> very popular for small & medium enterprises
> CentOS/Fedora does lacks the same consumer fame like Ubuntu
> Two main reasons according to me :
> (1) Commercial backing => limited funding => less advertisement
> (2) Perception amongst users and the media => leading to less knowledge how
> to use the product


It might be worth suggesting to the CentOS developer community to look
at adopting MirrorManager and its support for local network mirror
administration and to start to collect aggregate data concerning the
number of client systems looking at the centralized Centos
MirrorManager instance.  Getting hard numbers on the number of Centos
installs the same way Fedora is could really help raise the level of
awareness of how pervasise Cento is is out in the wild.

I think Centos is flying under the radar a bit too much, but for that
to change Centos users need to be encouraged to be a little more vocal
about its use.

-jef.

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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Armin]

> > For this example: I mean that some ubuntu multimedia software ask you
> > installing codecs when needed!! And they install the appropriate one.
> > This unfortunatly does not exist in Fedora
> >
> >
> > Regards

That codec-buddy, I saw it first in Fedora!

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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[psmith]

Kevin Kofler wrote:

Antonio Olivares wrote:
  

I can understand the LTS support complaints, but CentOS, Scientific and
others address this, but as far as the codecs part.  There is a CD out
there with everything prepackaged and Fedora based:



... where "everything" doesn't include KDE. IMHO that CD is completely
useless.

Kevin Kofler

  


i think by now this list knows exactly how you feel about kde, and those 
who don't feel the same as you ;), but fortunately not everyone has to 
like the same things :)


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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[dan]

On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 21:54 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Unfortunately, pointing you to codecs which are illegal in the US is also
> illegal in the US. Ubuntu gets away with it because Canonical is based in
> the Isle of Man, not in the US.
Canonical is "Registered" in the Isle of Man, their main offices are in
London.

Ubuntu (and Debian) "get away with it" because their U.S. servers do not
offer software the US government deems illegal as that has legal
implications for their project and developers. However, those in the US
can configure their apt-sources to download from servers outside of the
U.S. That, however, possibly puts the individual in a less than
desirable position. 

Kind Regards,
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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Kevin Kofler]

Antonio Olivares wrote:
> I can understand the LTS support complaints, but CentOS, Scientific and
> others address this, but as far as the codecs part.  There is a CD out
> there with everything prepackaged and Fedora based:

... where "everything" doesn't include KDE. IMHO that CD is completely
useless.

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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sat, 3/21/09, Kevin Kofler  wrote:

> From: Kevin Kofler 
> Subject: Re: fedora LTS , why not?
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 1:54 PM
> Adel ESSAFI wrote:
> > For this example: I mean that some ubuntu multimedia
> software ask you
> > installing codecs when needed!! And they install the
> appropriate one. This
> > unfortunatly does not exist in Fedora
> 
> Unfortunately, pointing you to codecs which are illegal in
> the US is also
> illegal in the US. Ubuntu gets away with it because
> Canonical is based in
> the Isle of Man, not in the US.
> 
> Kevin Kofler
> 
> -- 


I can understand the LTS support complaints, but CentOS, Scientific and others 
address this, but as far as the codecs part.  There is a CD out there with 
everything prepackaged and Fedora based:

http://osdir.com/ml/fedora-announce/2008-12/msg7.html

http://reddevil62-techhead.blogspot.com/2008/10/omega-10-live-cd-beta-fedora-with-added.html

It is installable and has the packages(which are easily installed otherwise by 
the way) that the users in this thread are asking for.  I wonder sometimes if 
people know about this, it seems that they don't know about it.  I hope that 
the work of several people who have taken the time to work on such projects get 
the notice that they deserver :)

Regards,

Antonio 


  

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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Tosh]

Adel ESSAFI wrote:



2009/3/21 Adel ESSAFI mailto:adel.s...@imag.fr>>



2009/3/20 Armin mailto:amor...@fedoraproject.org>>

On Saturday 21 March 2009 11:09:06 Adel ESSAFI wrote:
 > 2009/3/21 Adel ESSAFI mailto:adel.s...@imag.fr>>
 >
 > > 2009/3/21 Sharpe, Sam J
 > > mailto:sam.sharpe%2blists.red...@gmail.com>mailto:sam.sharpe%252blists.red...@gmail.com>>
 > >
 > >> 2009/3/21 Adel ESSAFI mailto:adeless...@gmail.com>>:
 > >> > I see that many of you point me to centOs. The idea is
interresting.
 > >> > However, why centOs is not as known as ubuntu. The main
advantage in
 > >>
 > >> ubunti
 > >>
 > >> > (in my point of view) is LTS and codecs!  Why centOS is
not a
 > >> > commercial success?
 > >>
 > >> CentOS is a success. I've been looking for a new job
recently and lots
 > >> of medium-sized businesses are using CentOS. In my limited
experience
 > >> I have only found one company asking for Ubuntu
experience. Ubuntu's
 > >> codec support is also no different to Fedora - it's not in
the main
 > >> repositories, you have to enable universe, just like you
have to
 > >> enable rpmfusion for Fedora.
 >
 > I agree. But, things looks easier in ubuntu! The coded is loaded
 > automatically (afte a confirmation from the user). Why such
features are
 > not avalaible in Fedora!

That is mostly an illusion created somewhat by the ubuntu user
community.  You
said things "look" easier.  Like what?  Could you give a good
example?  **


For this example: I mean that some ubuntu multimedia software ask you
installing codecs when needed!! And they install the appropriate one.
This unfortunatly does not exist in Fedora


Regards






The
codecs are installed the same way and used the same way in both
ubuntu and
CentOS/Fedora.

 > > Regards
 > >
 > >> However, CentOS isn't used as much in large organisations
- they tend
 > >> (as my current employer does) to use Red Hat Enterprise
Linux, because
 > >> it is certified by lots of application and hardware
vendors and can be
 > >> purchased with support contracts which they have the money
to buy.
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Please note, CentOS IS A COMMERCIAL SUCCESS
Many bigger enterprises use CentOS, but they do not advertise it and it 
is very popular for small & medium enterprises

CentOS/Fedora does lacks the same consumer fame like Ubuntu
Two main reasons according to me :
(1) Commercial backing => limited funding => less advertisement
(2) Perception amongst users and the media => leading to less knowledge 
how to use the product



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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Kevin Kofler]

Adel ESSAFI wrote:
> For this example: I mean that some ubuntu multimedia software ask you
> installing codecs when needed!! And they install the appropriate one. This
> unfortunatly does not exist in Fedora

Unfortunately, pointing you to codecs which are illegal in the US is also
illegal in the US. Ubuntu gets away with it because Canonical is based in
the Isle of Man, not in the US.

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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Adel ESSAFI]

2009/3/21 Adel ESSAFI 

>
>
> 2009/3/20 Armin 
>
>> On Saturday 21 March 2009 11:09:06 Adel ESSAFI wrote:
>> > 2009/3/21 Adel ESSAFI 
>> >
>> > > 2009/3/21 Sharpe, Sam J
>> > > 
>> 
>> >
>> > >
>> > >> 2009/3/21 Adel ESSAFI :
>> > >> > I see that many of you point me to centOs. The idea is
>> interresting.
>> > >> > However, why centOs is not as known as ubuntu. The main advantage
>> in
>> > >>
>> > >> ubunti
>> > >>
>> > >> > (in my point of view) is LTS and codecs!  Why centOS is not a
>> > >> > commercial success?
>> > >>
>> > >> CentOS is a success. I've been looking for a new job recently and
>> lots
>> > >> of medium-sized businesses are using CentOS. In my limited experience
>> > >> I have only found one company asking for Ubuntu experience. Ubuntu's
>> > >> codec support is also no different to Fedora - it's not in the main
>> > >> repositories, you have to enable universe, just like you have to
>> > >> enable rpmfusion for Fedora.
>> >
>> > I agree. But, things looks easier in ubuntu! The coded is loaded
>> > automatically (afte a confirmation from the user). Why such features are
>> > not avalaible in Fedora!
>>
>> That is mostly an illusion created somewhat by the ubuntu user community.
>>  You
>> said things "look" easier.  Like what?  Could you give a good example?  **
>
>
>

For this example: I mean that some ubuntu multimedia software ask you
installing codecs when needed!! And they install the appropriate one. This
unfortunatly does not exist in Fedora


Regards




>
>
>
>
>> The
>> codecs are installed the same way and used the same way in both ubuntu and
>> CentOS/Fedora.
>>
>> > > Regards
>> > >
>> > >> However, CentOS isn't used as much in large organisations - they tend
>> > >> (as my current employer does) to use Red Hat Enterprise Linux,
>> because
>> > >> it is certified by lots of application and hardware vendors and can
>> be
>> > >> purchased with support contracts which they have the money to buy.
>> > >>
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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Adel ESSAFI]

2009/3/20 Armin 

> On Saturday 21 March 2009 11:09:06 Adel ESSAFI wrote:
> > 2009/3/21 Adel ESSAFI 
> >
> > > 2009/3/21 Sharpe, Sam J
> > > 
> 
> >
> > >
> > >> 2009/3/21 Adel ESSAFI :
> > >> > I see that many of you point me to centOs. The idea is interresting.
> > >> > However, why centOs is not as known as ubuntu. The main advantage in
> > >>
> > >> ubunti
> > >>
> > >> > (in my point of view) is LTS and codecs!  Why centOS is not a
> > >> > commercial success?
> > >>
> > >> CentOS is a success. I've been looking for a new job recently and lots
> > >> of medium-sized businesses are using CentOS. In my limited experience
> > >> I have only found one company asking for Ubuntu experience. Ubuntu's
> > >> codec support is also no different to Fedora - it's not in the main
> > >> repositories, you have to enable universe, just like you have to
> > >> enable rpmfusion for Fedora.
> >
> > I agree. But, things looks easier in ubuntu! The coded is loaded
> > automatically (afte a confirmation from the user). Why such features are
> > not avalaible in Fedora!
>
> That is mostly an illusion created somewhat by the ubuntu user community.
>  You
> said things "look" easier.  Like what?  Could you give a good example?  **


For this example: I mean that some ubuntu multimedia software ask you
installing codecs when needed!! And they install the appropriate one. This
unfortunatly does not exist in Fedora


Regards





> The
> codecs are installed the same way and used the same way in both ubuntu and
> CentOS/Fedora.
>
> > > Regards
> > >
> > >> However, CentOS isn't used as much in large organisations - they tend
> > >> (as my current employer does) to use Red Hat Enterprise Linux, because
> > >> it is certified by lots of application and hardware vendors and can be
> > >> purchased with support contracts which they have the money to buy.
> > >>
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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Armin]

On Saturday 21 March 2009 11:09:06 Adel ESSAFI wrote:
> 2009/3/21 Adel ESSAFI 
>
> > 2009/3/21 Sharpe, Sam J
> > 
> >
> >> 2009/3/21 Adel ESSAFI :
> >> > I see that many of you point me to centOs. The idea is interresting.
> >> > However, why centOs is not as known as ubuntu. The main advantage in
> >>
> >> ubunti
> >>
> >> > (in my point of view) is LTS and codecs!  Why centOS is not a
> >> > commercial success?
> >>
> >> CentOS is a success. I've been looking for a new job recently and lots
> >> of medium-sized businesses are using CentOS. In my limited experience
> >> I have only found one company asking for Ubuntu experience. Ubuntu's
> >> codec support is also no different to Fedora - it's not in the main
> >> repositories, you have to enable universe, just like you have to
> >> enable rpmfusion for Fedora.
>
> I agree. But, things looks easier in ubuntu! The coded is loaded
> automatically (afte a confirmation from the user). Why such features are
> not avalaible in Fedora!

That is mostly an illusion created somewhat by the ubuntu user community.  You 
said things "look" easier.  Like what?  Could you give a good example?  The 
codecs are installed the same way and used the same way in both ubuntu and 
CentOS/Fedora.

> > Regards
> >
> >> However, CentOS isn't used as much in large organisations - they tend
> >> (as my current employer does) to use Red Hat Enterprise Linux, because
> >> it is certified by lots of application and hardware vendors and can be
> >> purchased with support contracts which they have the money to buy.
> >>
> >> --
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> >>
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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Adel ESSAFI]

2009/3/21 Adel ESSAFI 

>
>
> 2009/3/21 Sharpe, Sam J 
> 
> >
>
>> 2009/3/21 Adel ESSAFI :
>> > I see that many of you point me to centOs. The idea is interresting.
>> > However, why centOs is not as known as ubuntu. The main advantage in
>> ubunti
>> > (in my point of view) is LTS and codecs!  Why centOS is not a commercial
>> > success?
>>
>> CentOS is a success. I've been looking for a new job recently and lots
>> of medium-sized businesses are using CentOS. In my limited experience
>> I have only found one company asking for Ubuntu experience. Ubuntu's
>> codec support is also no different to Fedora - it's not in the main
>> repositories, you have to enable universe, just like you have to
>> enable rpmfusion for Fedora.
>
>
I agree. But, things looks easier in ubuntu! The coded is loaded
automatically (afte a confirmation from the user). Why such features are not
avalaible in Fedora!



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>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> However, CentOS isn't used as much in large organisations - they tend
>> (as my current employer does) to use Red Hat Enterprise Linux, because
>> it is certified by lots of application and hardware vendors and can be
>> purchased with support contracts which they have the money to buy.
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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Adel ESSAFI]

2009/3/21 Sharpe, Sam J

>

> 2009/3/21 Adel ESSAFI :
> > I see that many of you point me to centOs. The idea is interresting.
> > However, why centOs is not as known as ubuntu. The main advantage in
> ubunti
> > (in my point of view) is LTS and codecs!  Why centOS is not a commercial
> > success?
>
> CentOS is a success. I've been looking for a new job recently and lots
> of medium-sized businesses are using CentOS. In my limited experience
> I have only found one company asking for Ubuntu experience. Ubuntu's
> codec support is also no different to Fedora - it's not in the main
> repositories, you have to enable universe, just like you have to
> enable rpmfusion for Fedora.
>
I agree. But, things looks easier in ubuntu! The coded is loaded
automatically (afte a confirmation from the user). Why such features are not
avalaible in Fedora!


Regards





>
> However, CentOS isn't used as much in large organisations - they tend
> (as my current employer does) to use Red Hat Enterprise Linux, because
> it is certified by lots of application and hardware vendors and can be
> purchased with support contracts which they have the money to buy.
>
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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Andras Simon]

On 3/21/09, Adel ESSAFI  wrote:
> Well,
> I see that many of you point me to centOs. The idea is interresting.
> However, why centOs is not as known as ubuntu. The main advantage in ubunti
> (in my point of view) is LTS and codecs!  Why centOS is not a commercial
> success?

Because it's not a commercial enterprise.

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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Sharpe, Sam J]

2009/3/21 Adel ESSAFI :
> I see that many of you point me to centOs. The idea is interresting.
> However, why centOs is not as known as ubuntu. The main advantage in ubunti
> (in my point of view) is LTS and codecs!  Why centOS is not a commercial
> success?

CentOS is a success. I've been looking for a new job recently and lots
of medium-sized businesses are using CentOS. In my limited experience
I have only found one company asking for Ubuntu experience. Ubuntu's
codec support is also no different to Fedora - it's not in the main
repositories, you have to enable universe, just like you have to
enable rpmfusion for Fedora.

However, CentOS isn't used as much in large organisations - they tend
(as my current employer does) to use Red Hat Enterprise Linux, because
it is certified by lots of application and hardware vendors and can be
purchased with support contracts which they have the money to buy.

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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Adel ESSAFI]

Well,
I see that many of you point me to centOs. The idea is interresting.
However, why centOs is not as known as ubuntu. The main advantage in ubunti
(in my point of view) is LTS and codecs!  Why centOS is not a commercial
success?

regards
Adel

2009/3/20 Tosh 

> Adel ESSAFI wrote:
>
>> Hi list
>>
>>
>> I was using fedora and redhat since 2000. To day, I can see that our
>> favorite distro is really very strong. However, I have done some
>> experience (short) with Ubuntu and I have liked to LTS concept (Long
>> Term support).
>>
>> My idea is to build a distribution that is based on Fedora at 100% with
>> 1. LTS
>> 2. with a very reduce number of packages
>> 3. with proprietary codecs and essentiel software (mp3, flash ) included
>> in.
>>
>> I know that the variety of the open source projects are making it's
>> power. However, I aim to build a distribution with only one software
>> from each catégory. That is, I have to choose between:
>> *  KDE and GNOME for the destop
>> * rhythembox , kaffeine, ... as media player
>> * abiword or openoffice as office writer
>> .
>>
>> Technically, I will maintain a repository  with a reduced number of
>> packages.
>>
>>
>> If I get positive feed back from this list, I can start working on this
>> project in july
>>
>> This distribution will be very useful for starter!!
>>
>> Best regards
>> Adel
>>
>>
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> first and for all I wish to expand on the current responses
> as you may kwow by now
> fedora - 9 months release base - 18 months support base
> centos/rhel - 4 years release base - 7 years support base
>
> I suggest you take centos and work from there, most of the work is already
> done for you, and you can maybe contribute to rpmforge or my new repo to
> increase the package set
> I hope to setup my repo this weekend, giving centos gnumeric and abiword
> and audacious (with mp3 support) as these are missing in rpmforge due to
> some dependencies that cannot be included at the moment in rpmforge
> or you could go with fedora epel
>
> imho, there is no need to reinvent the wheel, if you are not going to
> improve the wheel :)
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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Tosh]

Adel ESSAFI wrote:

Hi list


I was using fedora and redhat since 2000. To day, I can see that our
favorite distro is really very strong. However, I have done some
experience (short) with Ubuntu and I have liked to LTS concept (Long
Term support).

My idea is to build a distribution that is based on Fedora at 100% with
1. LTS
2. with a very reduce number of packages
3. with proprietary codecs and essentiel software (mp3, flash ) included in.

I know that the variety of the open source projects are making it's
power. However, I aim to build a distribution with only one software
from each catégory. That is, I have to choose between:
*  KDE and GNOME for the destop
* rhythembox , kaffeine, ... as media player
* abiword or openoffice as office writer
.

Technically, I will maintain a repository  with a reduced number of
packages.


If I get positive feed back from this list, I can start working on this
project in july

This distribution will be very useful for starter!!

Best regards
Adel


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first and for all I wish to expand on the current responses
as you may kwow by now
fedora - 9 months release base - 18 months support base
centos/rhel - 4 years release base - 7 years support base

I suggest you take centos and work from there, most of the work is 
already done for you, and you can maybe contribute to rpmforge or my new 
repo to increase the package set
I hope to setup my repo this weekend, giving centos gnumeric and abiword 
and audacious (with mp3 support) as these are missing in rpmforge due to 
some dependencies that cannot be included at the moment in rpmforge

or you could go with fedora epel

imho, there is no need to reinvent the wheel, if you are not going to 
improve the wheel :)




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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Paul W. Frields]

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 09:35:16AM +0100, Adel ESSAFI wrote:
> Hi list
> 
> 
> I was using fedora and redhat since 2000. To day, I can see that our favorite
> distro is really very strong. However, I have done some experience (short) 
> with
> Ubuntu and I have liked to LTS concept (Long Term support).
> 
> My idea is to build a distribution that is based on Fedora at 100% with
> 1. LTS
> 2. with a very reduce number of packages
> 3. with proprietary codecs and essentiel software (mp3, flash ) included in.

This sounds exactly like plain old Red Hat Enterprise Linux or CentOS,
with added EL-5 package support from RPM Fusion.  In other words, this
seems like a somewhat duplicative effort.  If I'm not mistaken, you
could simply provide people a kickstart file they could use with the
existing CentOS and RPM Fusion libraries to do this.

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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Kam Leo]

2009/3/19 Adel ESSAFI 

> Hi list
>
>
> I was using fedora and redhat since 2000. To day, I can see that our
> favorite distro is really very strong. However, I have done some experience
> (short) with Ubuntu and I have liked to LTS concept (Long Term support).
>
> My idea is to build a distribution that is based on Fedora at 100% with
> 1. LTS
> 2. with a very reduce number of packages
> 3. with proprietary codecs and essentiel software (mp3, flash ) included
> in.
>
> I know that the variety of the open source projects are making it's power.
> However, I aim to build a distribution with only one software from each
> catégory. That is, I have to choose between:
> *  KDE and GNOME for the destop
> * rhythembox , kaffeine, ... as media player
> * abiword or openoffice as office writer
> .
>
> Technically, I will maintain a repository  with a reduced number of
> packages.
>
>
> If I get positive feed back from this list, I can start working on this
> project in july
>
> This distribution will be very useful for starter!!
>
> Best regards
> Adel
>
>
>
Anyone associated with Fedora Legacy Project care to tell Adel why the
project died?
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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Alan Cox]

On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:35:16 +0100
Adel ESSAFI  wrote:

> Hi list
> 
> 
> I was using fedora and redhat since 2000. To day, I can see that our
> favorite distro is really very strong. However, I have done some experience
> (short) with Ubuntu and I have liked to LTS concept (Long Term support).
> 
> My idea is to build a distribution that is based on Fedora at 100% with
> 1. LTS
> 2. with a very reduce number of packages

#2 is probably a pre-requisite for making it work and if people don't
like your choice of packages they can join the project to handle more

> 3. with proprietary codecs and essentiel software (mp3, flash ) included in.

I would keep these separate even if you integrate them at a higher level
in your offering.

> catégory. That is, I have to choose between:
> *  KDE and GNOME for the destop
> * rhythembox , kaffeine, ... as media player
> * abiword or openoffice as office writer

Nobody will agree - so just pick the bits *you* care about and let
everyone who cares enough contribute other bits.

> This distribution will be very useful for starter!!

That will depend on who your target new user is - a lot of folks will
want the latest/greatest cool stuff. There is already a distribution with
long term maintenance in the same style as Fedora and that is Centos.

Centos is boring and that to a lot of its user community is a good
thing, but it doesn't appeal to everyone.

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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[John Cornelius]

Adel ESSAFI wrote:

Hi list


I was using fedora and redhat since 2000. To day, I can see that our 
favorite distro is really very strong. However, I have done some 
experience (short) with Ubuntu and I have liked to LTS concept (Long 
Term support).


My idea is to build a distribution that is based on Fedora at 100% with
1. LTS
2. with a very reduce number of packages
3. with proprietary codecs and essentiel software (mp3, flash ) 
included in.


I know that the variety of the open source projects are making it's 
power. However, I aim to build a distribution with only one software 
from each catégory. That is, I have to choose between:

*  KDE and GNOME for the destop
* rhythembox , kaffeine, ... as media player
* abiword or openoffice as office writer
.
 
Technically, I will maintain a repository  with a reduced number of 
packages.



If I get positive feed back from this list, I can start working on 
this project in july


This distribution will be very useful for starter!!

Best regards
Adel


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Perhaps Fedora is not the correct choice for your environment or needs. 
Fedora is bleeding edge and Fedora users love to bleed and be on the 
edge. As a consequence Fedora support is limited especially with regard 
to updates for any given version.


Centos may be a better choice for you if you want to stick with a 
"version" and continue to receive security and performance updates. 
While features found in Centos will almost certainly lag those found in 
Fedora by about one release they are stable and completely ;=) debugged 
by the time they hit the Centos repositories.


Centos is still free for the asking and it is still RedHat, in fact it 
is RedHat Enterprise Linux but you cannot call for support, you have to 
resort to forums just like you do with Fedora but the repositories are 
updated frequently and security and performance upgrades go on for 
several years.


I can't speak to codecs and mp3 capabilities but perhaps you should give 
it a try and see if it is a fit for your needs.


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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Jeff Spaleta]

2009/3/19 Adel ESSAFI :
>
> My idea is to build a distribution that is based on Fedora at 100% with
> 1. LTS
> 2. with a very reduce number of packages
> 3. with proprietary codecs and essentiel software (mp3, flash ) included in.

First let me point out that such an effort would not be able to use
the primary Fedora trademarks, but it would have access to the
secondary Fedora Remix trademarks. Please keep that in mind.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/TrademarkGuidelines#Secondary_Mark
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Secondary_trademark_usage_guidelines

If you are serious about spending time on this, you should probably
think a little bit about what sort of hosting and build infrastructure
you are going to have to put together to make sure you can keep
building security and bugfix updates over an LTS timescale.

-jef

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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Armin]

On Thursday 19 March 2009 12:07:42 Gordon Messmer wrote:
> Adel ESSAFI wrote:
> > My idea is to build a distribution that is based on Fedora at 100% with
> > 1. LTS
> > 2. with a very reduce number of packages
>
> I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I think you underestimate the
> amount of effort involved in this.  Fedora is a community with many
> members, and there still isn't enough manpower for an LTS release.  The
> Fedora Legacy group already had a run at this, and eventually shut down
> for exactly that reason.  People who are interested in something with a
> long lifetime are already using something else.  If you're interested in
> a GNU/Linux system with a long support lifetime and no charge, I'd
> suggest using CentOS.  Join up.  Put your effort into supporting their
> work, and when you see what's involved, you'll be glad you didn't try to
> do it on your own.

To be realistic (correct me if I'm wrong), RHEL is Fedora's LTS.  And CentOS 
is the free clone of RHEL.  Therefore, CentOS is Fedora's LTS. (I used pure 
logic here :) )

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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Armin]

On Thursday 19 March 2009 08:10:11 Adel ESSAFI wrote:
> 2009/3/19 Itamar Reis Peixoto 
>
> > why not contribute with fedora and rpmfusion ?
>
> Normal users find this complicated (linux fans are more competent than
> usual users)
> ;)

I have to agree with this point.  Linux and its community really make you WANT 
to get involved.  It's such a joy working with other open developers around 
the world.  And plus, in the open community, there is a place for everyone.

Why don't you make a Fedora re-spin for your class?  It's dead easy!

> http://ilovefedora.blogspot.com/

sounds like an interesting blog!

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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Gordon Messmer]

Adel ESSAFI wrote:


My idea is to build a distribution that is based on Fedora at 100% with
1. LTS
2. with a very reduce number of packages


I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I think you underestimate the 
amount of effort involved in this.  Fedora is a community with many 
members, and there still isn't enough manpower for an LTS release.  The 
Fedora Legacy group already had a run at this, and eventually shut down 
for exactly that reason.  People who are interested in something with a 
long lifetime are already using something else.  If you're interested in 
a GNU/Linux system with a long support lifetime and no charge, I'd 
suggest using CentOS.  Join up.  Put your effort into supporting their 
work, and when you see what's involved, you'll be glad you didn't try to 
do it on your own.


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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Armin]

On Thursday 19 March 2009 05:35:16 Adel ESSAFI wrote:
> Hi list
>
>
> I was using fedora and redhat since 2000. To day, I can see that our
> favorite distro is really very strong. However, I have done some experience
> (short) with Ubuntu and I have liked to LTS concept (Long Term support).
>
> My idea is to build a distribution that is based on Fedora at 100% with
> 1. LTS
> 2. with a very reduce number of packages
> 3. with proprietary codecs and essentiel software (mp3, flash ) included
> in.
>
> I know that the variety of the open source projects are making it's power.
> However, I aim to build a distribution with only one software from each
> catégory. That is, I have to choose between:
> *  KDE and GNOME for the destop
> * rhythembox , kaffeine, ... as media player
> * abiword or openoffice as office writer
> .
>
> Technically, I will maintain a repository  with a reduced number of
> packages.
>
>
> If I get positive feed back from this list, I can start working on this
> project in july
>
> This distribution will be very useful for starter!!
>
> Best regards
> Adel
>
>
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Or, why bother with RHEL?  CentOs is there to help you!

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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Armin]

On Thursday 19 March 2009 05:35:16 Adel ESSAFI wrote:
> Hi list
>
>
> I was using fedora and redhat since 2000. To day, I can see that our
> favorite distro is really very strong. However, I have done some experience
> (short) with Ubuntu and I have liked to LTS concept (Long Term support).
>
> My idea is to build a distribution that is based on Fedora at 100% with
> 1. LTS
> 2. with a very reduce number of packages
> 3. with proprietary codecs and essentiel software (mp3, flash ) included
> in.
>
> I know that the variety of the open source projects are making it's power.
> However, I aim to build a distribution with only one software from each
> catégory. That is, I have to choose between:
> *  KDE and GNOME for the destop
> * rhythembox , kaffeine, ... as media player
> * abiword or openoffice as office writer
> .
>
> Technically, I will maintain a repository  with a reduced number of
> packages.
>
>
> If I get positive feed back from this list, I can start working on this
> project in july
>
> This distribution will be very useful for starter!!
>
> Best regards
> Adel
>
>
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That, my friend, is called RHEL. :)

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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Adel ESSAFI]

2009/3/19 Itamar Reis Peixoto 

> why not contribute with fedora and rpmfusion ?


Normal users find this complicated (linux fans are more competent than usual
users)
;)





>
>
> the only reason to fedora doesn't have LTS is the man power.
>
>
>
> 2009/3/19 Adel ESSAFI :
> > Hi list
> >
> >
> > I was using fedora and redhat since 2000. To day, I can see that our
> > favorite distro is really very strong. However, I have done some
> experience
> > (short) with Ubuntu and I have liked to LTS concept (Long Term support).
> >
> > My idea is to build a distribution that is based on Fedora at 100% with
> > 1. LTS
> > 2. with a very reduce number of packages
> > 3. with proprietary codecs and essentiel software (mp3, flash ) included
> in.
> >
> > I know that the variety of the open source projects are making it's
> power.
> > However, I aim to build a distribution with only one software from each
> > catégory. That is, I have to choose between:
> > *  KDE and GNOME for the destop
> > * rhythembox , kaffeine, ... as media player
> > * abiword or openoffice as office writer
> > .
> >
> > Technically, I will maintain a repository  with a reduced number of
> > packages.
> >
> >
> > If I get positive feed back from this list, I can start working on this
> > project in july
> >
> > This distribution will be very useful for starter!!
> >
> > Best regards
> > Adel
> >
> >
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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Itamar Reis Peixoto]

why not contribute with fedora and rpmfusion ?

the only reason to fedora doesn't have LTS is the man power.



2009/3/19 Adel ESSAFI :
> Hi list
>
>
> I was using fedora and redhat since 2000. To day, I can see that our
> favorite distro is really very strong. However, I have done some experience
> (short) with Ubuntu and I have liked to LTS concept (Long Term support).
>
> My idea is to build a distribution that is based on Fedora at 100% with
> 1. LTS
> 2. with a very reduce number of packages
> 3. with proprietary codecs and essentiel software (mp3, flash ) included in.
>
> I know that the variety of the open source projects are making it's power.
> However, I aim to build a distribution with only one software from each
> catégory. That is, I have to choose between:
> *  KDE and GNOME for the destop
> * rhythembox , kaffeine, ... as media player
> * abiword or openoffice as office writer
> .
>
> Technically, I will maintain a repository  with a reduced number of
> packages.
>
>
> If I get positive feed back from this list, I can start working on this
> project in july
>
> This distribution will be very useful for starter!!
>
> Best regards
> Adel
>
>
> --
> http://ilovefedora.blogspot.com/
>
> --
>
> PhD candidate in Computer Science
> Address
> BP 108, Bureau de poste Tunis republique
> 1001 Tunis
> Tunisia
> tel: +216 97 246 706
> fax: +216 71 391 166
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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Adel ESSAFI]

2009/3/19, Rangeen Basu :
>>
>> My idea is to build a distribution that is based on Fedora at 100% with
>> 1. LTS
>> 2. with a very reduce number of packages
> Sounds good.
>
>> 3. with proprietary codecs and essentiel software (mp3, flash ) included
>> in.
>
> Please be careful with the codecs and proprietary licenses involved in
> it. Rest all is very good. But the thing is that we already have
> custom spins like Fedora-KDE and others. I don't really understand the
> need for this.

Well, In fact I am assistant teacher in a high school and I have been
in contact with a variety of people with different level. All of them
find some problems with the variety existing in linux (many desktops,
many software with unsuel names xmms for example) . I aim to make
something  that is really simple and that make the migration to fedora
easier than ever.

I don't know how hard is this task but I will try to make it hoping
that it will find some success


Regards






You can do it for your own purpose and maintain a small
> offline repo if you like but if you have access to high speed
> internet, why bother making a small repo anyways. Believe me, I have
> already done a small barebone repo distributable on cds and only comes
> to limited help during installation on some computer which does not
> have access to internet. Otherwise its of little use.
>
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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Kevin Kofler]

Adel ESSAFI wrote:
> However, I aim to build a distribution with only one software from each
> catégory.

That may sound like a good idea at first, but at the end nobody will agree
about what that "only one software" will be in each case, and you'll
definitely get lots of complaints about your arbitrary choices.

Kevin Kofler

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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Rangeen Basu]

>
> My idea is to build a distribution that is based on Fedora at 100% with
> 1. LTS
> 2. with a very reduce number of packages
Sounds good.

> 3. with proprietary codecs and essentiel software (mp3, flash ) included in.

Please be careful with the codecs and proprietary licenses involved in
it. Rest all is very good. But the thing is that we already have
custom spins like Fedora-KDE and others. I don't really understand the
need for this. You can do it for your own purpose and maintain a small
offline repo if you like but if you have access to high speed
internet, why bother making a small repo anyways. Believe me, I have
already done a small barebone repo distributable on cds and only comes
to limited help during installation on some computer which does not
have access to internet. Otherwise its of little use.

Regards
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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[fedora]

Hi Adel
sounds very interesting to me.

suomi

Adel ESSAFI wrote:

Hi list


I was using fedora and redhat since 2000. To day, I can see that our 
favorite distro is really very strong. However, I have done some 
experience (short) with Ubuntu and I have liked to LTS concept (Long 
Term support).


My idea is to build a distribution that is based on Fedora at 100% with
1. LTS
2. with a very reduce number of packages
3. with proprietary codecs and essentiel software (mp3, flash ) included in.

I know that the variety of the open source projects are making it's 
power. However, I aim to build a distribution with only one software 
from each catégory. That is, I have to choose between:

*  KDE and GNOME for the destop
* rhythembox , kaffeine, ... as media player
* abiword or openoffice as office writer
.
 
Technically, I will maintain a repository  with a reduced number of 
packages.



If I get positive feed back from this list, I can start working on this 
project in july


This distribution will be very useful for starter!!

Best regards
Adel


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Re: fedora LTS , why not?

[Xue Xg]

GOOD IDEA!

2009/3/19 Adel ESSAFI 

> Hi list
>
>
> I was using fedora and redhat since 2000. To day, I can see that our
> favorite distro is really very strong. However, I have done some experience
> (short) with Ubuntu and I have liked to LTS concept (Long Term support).
>
> My idea is to build a distribution that is based on Fedora at 100% with
> 1. LTS
> 2. with a very reduce number of packages
> 3. with proprietary codecs and essentiel software (mp3, flash ) included
> in.
>
> I know that the variety of the open source projects are making it's power.
> However, I aim to build a distribution with only one software from each
> catégory. That is, I have to choose between:
> *  KDE and GNOME for the destop
> * rhythembox , kaffeine, ... as media player
> * abiword or openoffice as office writer
> .
>
> Technically, I will maintain a repository  with a reduced number of
> packages.
>
>
> If I get positive feed back from this list, I can start working on this
> project in july
>
> This distribution will be very useful for starter!!
>
> Best regards
> Adel
>
>
> --
> http://ilovefedora.blogspot.com/
>
> --
>
> PhD candidate in Computer Science
> Address
> BP 108, Bureau de poste Tunis republique
> 1001 Tunis
> Tunisia
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