RE: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-28 Thread Michael . Coll-Barth
 

> From: Simon Wesp

> The problem is (for me) that it is definitly pornographic, because it
> helps you to get this stuff. You know that a instigator for a 
> murder is
> guilty like the murderer himself! so this is for me forbidden and
> should not be allowed in fedora.

Say what?  ::jaw drops to floor and slams back up::

That is, without a doubt, one of the most 'mis-guided' things I ever
heard on here.  If that were even a slightly legitimate argument, then
you could not use ANY software at all.

My brain hurts so badly right now...











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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-28 Thread Robin Laing

Tom Horsley wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2009 12:52:23 +0200
Simon Wesp wrote:


The problem is (for me) that it is definitly pornographic, because it
helps you to get this stuff. You know that a instigator for a murder is
guilty like the murderer himself! so this is for me forbidden and
should not be allowed in fedora.


Shouldn't you remove all bittorrent clients then :-).



All usenet clients, email, web browsers, ftp, ethernet and wireless 
access network access ...


This is a question of morals, not legal.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-28 Thread Ralf Corsepius

Simon Wesp wrote:


This problem is like the duplicated zlib problematic for rsync and
zsync.


No, it isn't.


Is a modified zlib a duplicate of zlib? Or is it is own fork?

The latter.

Or whatever? 
It's bad design. A package which hacks around into commonly accepted and 
widely used system libraries is simply hacking around.


A proper design would "use zlib" without modifications, like many other 
applications do, or to ask zlib's upstream to adopt the changes.


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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-28 Thread Alan Cox
> This package comes without pornographic content, but it help you to
> get this content.

So its no different to the origins of pan ;) which we do ship.

> The problem is (for me) that it is definitly pornographic, because it
> helps you to get this stuff. You know that a instigator for a murder is
> guilty like the murderer himself! so this is for me forbidden and
> should not be allowed in fedora.

Quick get rid of firefox

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-28 Thread Simon Wesp
Tom Horsley  wrotes:
TH> Shouldn't you remove all bittorrent clients then :-).
mh I know my arumentation has a big gap :-)

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-28 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 28 May 2009 12:52:23 +0200
Simon Wesp wrote:

> The problem is (for me) that it is definitly pornographic, because it
> helps you to get this stuff. You know that a instigator for a murder is
> guilty like the murderer himself! so this is for me forbidden and
> should not be allowed in fedora.

Shouldn't you remove all bittorrent clients then :-).

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-28 Thread Simon Wesp
Jens Kaddelbach  wrotes:
JK> sounds good! thank you. Can I have a link for that review?

mh, well

The problem is for me, that the guidelines says:
"Content must not be pornographic, or contain nudity, whether animated,
simulated, or photographed. There are better places on the Internet to
get porn."

This package comes without pornographic content, but it help you to
get this content.

This problem is like the duplicated zlib problematic for rsync and
zsync. Is a modified zlib a duplicate of zlib? Or is it is own fork? Or
whatever? 

The problem is (for me) that it is definitly pornographic, because it
helps you to get this stuff. You know that a instigator for a murder is
guilty like the murderer himself! so this is for me forbidden and
should not be allowed in fedora.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-28 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/28/2009 04:09 PM, Jens Kaddelbach wrote:
> sounds good! thank you. Can I have a link for that review?


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503013

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-28 Thread Jens Kaddelbach
sounds good! thank you. Can I have a link for that review?

2009/5/28 Simon Wesp 

> Simon Wesp  wrotes:
> SW> very interessting... I saw this 2 days ago on gnomefiles.org
> SW> There is a gap in the guidelines, for a case like that!
> SW> mh, I will take a look in it.
>
> @ Jens,
> I created a review a few minutes ago. I don't know if it is allowed in
> Fedora, because i didn't find a hint in the Guidelines, but I know who
> knows best... The Fedora Reviewers and perhaps the legal team. I will
> create a legal blocker for this review!
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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-28 Thread Simon Wesp
Simon Wesp  wrotes:
SW> very interessting... I saw this 2 days ago on gnomefiles.org
SW> There is a gap in the guidelines, for a case like that!
SW> mh, I will take a look in it.

@ Jens,
I created a review a few minutes ago. I don't know if it is allowed in
Fedora, because i didn't find a hint in the Guidelines, but I know who
knows best... The Fedora Reviewers and perhaps the legal team. I will
create a legal blocker for this review! 
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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-28 Thread Jens Kaddelbach
Another cool apüplication is:

gnaughty

http://sourceforge.net/projects/gnaughty

Gnaughty is an utility to automatically download adult sex content, i.e.
porn movies and pictures, from a known internet porn directory (
sublimedirectory.com). Providing a friendly interface, users who feel like
having some porn can have it served fastly




2009/5/28 Rahul Sundaram 

> On 05/28/2009 11:25 AM, net foss wrote:
> > Ns is a discrete event simulator targeted at networking research.
>
>
> Added to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_Survey_May_2009
>
> Thanks.
>
> Rahul
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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/28/2009 11:25 AM, net foss wrote:
> Ns is a discrete event simulator targeted at networking research.


Added to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_Survey_May_2009

Thanks.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-27 Thread net foss
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Rahul Sundaram
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
> that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
> suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
> issues.
>
> Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
> what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
> fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
> package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
> for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.
>
>
> Rahul

network simulator ns-2
http://sourceforge.net/projects/nsnam/

Ns is a discrete event simulator targeted at networking research.
Ns provides substantial support for simulation of TCP, routing,
and multicast protocols over wired and wireless (local and satellite) networks.

There are old RPMs for PLD.
http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/2325036/com/ns-2.27-7.i386.rpm.html

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-27 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 12:26 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 05/22/2009 05:57 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 16:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> >> Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description
> >> on what it does.
> > 
> > A couple of video transcoder GUIs which look interesting. See
> > http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/333904/1e8930cff396a065/ for an overview.
> > 
> > 1) Arista: http://programmer-art.org/projects/arista-transcoder
> > 
> > "An easy to use multimedia transcoder for the GNOME Desktop. Arista
> > focuses on being easy to use by making the complex task of encoding for
> > various devices simple. Pick your input, pick your target device, choose
> > a file to save to and go."
> > 
> > 2) Transmageddon: http://www.linuxrising.org/transmageddon/
> 
> I have submitted Arista for review at
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=502477

Excellent.

> Transmageddon requires a new release of pyobject2 with a fix that I am
> waiting for. In communication with upstream about this.

OK.

poc

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/21/2009 12:53 PM, Giuseppe Fuggiano wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
>> that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
>> suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
>> issues.
>>
>> Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
>> what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
>> fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
>> package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
>> for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.
> 
> Name: OpenAFS
> 
> Home page:  http://www.openafs.org/

Can't go in as it requires a third party kernel module with a different
license.

Rahul

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-26 Thread Frank Cox
One other program that I use regularly and install on everything is this:

http://gtapecalc.sourceforge.net/

http://www.mailinglistarchive.com/fedora-list@redhat.com/msg108188.html

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-26 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/22/2009 05:57 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 16:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description
>> on what it does.
> 
> A couple of video transcoder GUIs which look interesting. See
> http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/333904/1e8930cff396a065/ for an overview.
> 
> 1) Arista: http://programmer-art.org/projects/arista-transcoder
> 
> "An easy to use multimedia transcoder for the GNOME Desktop. Arista
> focuses on being easy to use by making the complex task of encoding for
> various devices simple. Pick your input, pick your target device, choose
> a file to save to and go."
> 
> 2) Transmageddon: http://www.linuxrising.org/transmageddon/

I have submitted Arista for review at

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=502477

Transmageddon requires a new release of pyobject2 with a fix that I am
waiting for. In communication with upstream about this.

Rahul

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-26 Thread Henry Ritzlmayr
Am Mittwoch, den 27.05.2009, 02:04 -0400 schrieb Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu:
> On Thu, 2009-05-21 at 19:57 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 16:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > > Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description
> > > on what it does.
> > 
> > A couple of video transcoder GUIs which look interesting. See
> > http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/333904/1e8930cff396a065/ for an overview.
> > 
> > 1) Arista: http://programmer-art.org/projects/arista-transcoder
> 
> > 2) Transmageddon: http://www.linuxrising.org/transmageddon/
> 
> Staying on the theme of video software, I'd love to see Kdenlive in the
> Fedora repo.  I've been wanting to try it out ever since I heard about
> it.
> 
> http://www.kdenlive.org/
> 
> "Kdenlive is a free open-source video editor for GNU/Linux and FreeBSD,
> which supports DV, AVCHD (experimental support) and HDV editing.
> Kdenlive relies on several other open source projects, such as FFmpeg
> and MLT video framework. Our software was designed to answer all needs,
> from basic video editing to semi-professionnal work."
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ranbir

As Rahul already stated, it is going to be in RPM Fusion

https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=529

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-26 Thread Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu
On Thu, 2009-05-21 at 19:57 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 16:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description
> > on what it does.
> 
> A couple of video transcoder GUIs which look interesting. See
> http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/333904/1e8930cff396a065/ for an overview.
> 
> 1) Arista: http://programmer-art.org/projects/arista-transcoder

> 2) Transmageddon: http://www.linuxrising.org/transmageddon/

Staying on the theme of video software, I'd love to see Kdenlive in the
Fedora repo.  I've been wanting to try it out ever since I heard about
it.

http://www.kdenlive.org/

"Kdenlive is a free open-source video editor for GNU/Linux and FreeBSD,
which supports DV, AVCHD (experimental support) and HDV editing.
Kdenlive relies on several other open source projects, such as FFmpeg
and MLT video framework. Our software was designed to answer all needs,
from basic video editing to semi-professionnal work."

Regards,

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-26 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/26/2009 12:32 PM, charles zeitler wrote:

> ytree
> 
> 
>a curses based file manager,
>less overhead than gui types,
>and can be used when X is unavailable.
> 
>GPL licensed at:  http://www.han.de/~werner/ytree.html
> 
>   found, but haven't tried:
> ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/OpenPKG/current/SRC/EVAL \
> /ytree-1.92-20080726.src.rpm

Seems very similar to mc mfiler and others.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-26 Thread charles zeitler
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 6:01 AM, Rahul Sundaram
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
> that is not available via the Fedora repository.
> Rahul




>
> ytree


   a curses based file manager,
   less overhead than gui types,
   and can be used when X is unavailable.

   GPL licensed at:  http://www.han.de/~werner/ytree.html

  found, but haven't tried:
ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/OpenPKG/current/SRC/EVAL \
/ytree-1.92-20080726.src.rpm

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-23 Thread stan

Rahul Sundaram wrote:


Joomla - a web content management system

http://www.joomla.org/

I haven't used it, just ran across it, but was surprised it was not in the repositories when I went to install it so I 
could play around with it.  It says it is open source, maybe there is some other reason it isn't packaged.


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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-23 Thread Frank Murphy (Frankly3d)

Rahul Sundaram wrote:

Forgot this One:
Amaya W3C web Editor
http://osdir.com/ml/fedora-devel-list/2009-03/msg00016.html

Maybe releavnt:
http://osdir.com/ml/fedora-devel-list/2009-03/msg00016.html

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-22 Thread Suvayu Ali
I thought I had posted this earlier, but while going through the 
archives I realised it wasn't there. So here it goes again.


Suvayu Ali wrote:

Rahul Sundaram wrote:

Hi,

I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
issues.

Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.


Hi Rahul,
I would really love to see the data analysis framework, ROOT[1] in 
Fedora. I know the user base is very niche, mostly data analysis in High 
Energy Physics. But still ... there are many other such popular data 
analysis tools which build on ROOT, like HippoDraw.


Although the design goals for ROOT are very focused on data analysis for 
High Energy Physics, it implements almost any statistical and analysis 
technique under the sun making it extremely flexible and versatile. It 
even implements many visualization and GUI-builder tools, interfaces 
with scripting languages like Python and provides a very handy 
interpreter for C++ called CINT. So if anyone wants to, they can very 
easily use ROOT for other kinds of data analysis. I for example learned 
from their mailing list, that there are people using ROOT analysing 
images in astrophysics!


And the best thing about all this is, the developers are very active and 
prompt in fixing bugs and they officially support rpms for Scientific 
Linux[2]. Apart from this there is a strong user community for support 
apart from the developers being very active in the user mailing list. It 
would be nice to add something like this to the educational packages 
category for Fedora.


As for the concerns about being *free*, it is completely open source and 
uses GPL libraries like GNU Scientific Library and is already available 
in the Debian repositories[3].


[1] http://root.cern.ch/drupal/
[2] http://root.cern.ch/root/Version522.html (the latest stable build)
[3] http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/root-system




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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 16:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description
> on what it does.

A couple of video transcoder GUIs which look interesting. See
http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/333904/1e8930cff396a065/ for an overview.

1) Arista: http://programmer-art.org/projects/arista-transcoder

"An easy to use multimedia transcoder for the GNOME Desktop. Arista
focuses on being easy to use by making the complex task of encoding for
various devices simple. Pick your input, pick your target device, choose
a file to save to and go."

2) Transmageddon: http://www.linuxrising.org/transmageddon/

"Transmageddon is a video transcoder for Linux and Unix systems built
using GStreamer. It supports almost any format as its input and can
generate a very large host of output files. The goal of the application
was to help people be able to create the files they need to be able to
play on their mobile devices or for people not hugely experienced with
multimedia to generate a multimedia file without having to resort to
command line tools with ungainly syntaxes."

Why both? Arista is simpler, Transmageddon is more flexible but
currently relies on devel version of Gstreamer. See the article
referenced above.

poc

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-21 Thread Jussi Lehtola

Quoting "David Burns" :


Just read about this in linux magazine and it sounds interesting.
Agedu makes a html report of the age of files in your filesystem.

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/agedu/


Done, review request at

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=502101
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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-21 Thread David Burns
Just read about this in linux magazine and it sounds interesting.
Agedu makes a html report of the age of files in your filesystem.

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/agedu/

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-21 Thread David
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Rahul Sundaram
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
> that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
> suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
> issues.
>
> Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
> what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
> fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
> package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
> for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.

Name: FreeMind

Home page: http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Description:
FreeMind is a free mind mapping application written in Java. It
therefore runs on a wide variety of operating systems, including
Linux. This software enables the user to visualise ideas, projects,
brainstorming, concepts, internet research, or any activity that
benefits from having a structured overview.

Wikipedia:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemind
FreeMind was a nominee for Best Project in SourceForge.net's Community
Choice Awards for 2008, which featured Open Source software projects

RPM:
ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/Mandriva/official/2009.0/SRPMS/contrib/release/freemind-0.9.0-0.0.6mdv2009.0.src.rpm

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-21 Thread Giuseppe Fuggiano

Rahul Sundaram wrote:

Hi,

I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
issues.

Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.


Name: OpenAFS

Home page:  http://www.openafs.org/

Description:
AFS is a distributed filesystem product, pioneered at Carnegie Mellon 
University and supported and developed as a product by Transarc 
Corporation (now IBM Pittsburgh Labs). It offers a client-server 
architecture for federated file sharing and replicated read-only content 
distribution, providing location independence, scalability, security, 
and transparent migration capabilities. AFS is available for a broad 
range of heterogeneous systems including UNIX, Linux, MacOS X, and 
Microsoft Windows.


Wikipedia:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_File_System

RPMs:  http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=openafs

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-19 Thread Kevin Kofler
Robin Laing wrote:
> kxstitch.
> http://kxstitch.sourceforge.net/
> 
> I have been in contact with the author about updating the software but I
> cannot build it on F10.  Not enough experience yet on my part.

Most likely you're just missing kdelibs3-devel.

Kevin Kofler

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-19 Thread Pim Zandbergen

Mike Cloaked wrote:


Pim Zandbergen wrote:
  

Any CalDAV server.





This would be really nice to have available
  

Yes, CalDAV is getting hot.

Google and Yahoo do CalDAV.
The iPhone 3.0 OS will sync calendars over the air using CalDAV,
and the ZideOne connector looks promising for connecting Outlook to CalDAV.

Fedora comes with loads of CalDAV clients, but not a single server.

Pim

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-15 Thread Simon Wesp
"Sharpe, Sam J"  wrotes:
SS> "TorK is an Anonymity Manager. It helps you to manage and use the
SS> Tor network for anonymous internet activity and the mixminion 
SS> network for anonymous email."
tork works with the mozilla addon torbutton (for thunderbird and
firefox) but the xpi-files are binaries and have to built from source.
same procedure is for enigmail. 

afairr there was an ugly discussion with remi (he wants to package
it) and the gecko-maint a long time ago.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-12 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 22:30:11 -0400,
  max  wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 08:26:31PM +0100, Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
> > 
> > "TorK is an Anonymity Manager. It helps you to manage and use the Tor
> > network for anonymous internet activity and the mixminion network for
> > anonymous email."
> > 
> > 
> Exactly what is kept anonymous and from who?

Tor is an onion router. If you go through at least three nodes controlled
by different noncooperating entities, than no one knows who you are
connecting to. (The destination site may or may not know its you depending
on whether you authenticate.)

There are caveats with respect to traffic analysis and apps leaking info.
And its especially important to note the traffic out of the end node
isn't encrypted and if you need that data secret you need to do something
(e.g. use ssl connections).

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-12 Thread Simon Wesp
Rahul Sundaram  wrotes:

RS> I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular
RS> basis that is not available via the Fedora repository.
games

RS> Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief
RS> description on what it does.

a)
Unknown Horizon
www.unknown-horizons.org
Unknown Horizons is a 2D realtime strategy simulation with an emphasis
on economy and city building.

b)
PokerTH
http://www.pokerth.net/
Texas Hold'Em Poker

RS> Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name fedora
RS> package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
RS> package review queue. 
No reviews

RS> If you know of RPM packages in other distributions for the
RS> software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.

a)
There is a rpm in packman
http://packman.links2linux.de/package/UnknownHorizon 

b)
part of SuSE
 

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/12/2009 11:05 PM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:
> I would like to see moserial added.
> 
> moserial is a clean, friendly gtk-based serial terminal for the gnome
> desktop. I use it daily for hardware hacking.
> 
> http://live.gnome.org/moserial
> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/moserial/2.26/
> http://git.gnome.org/cgit/moserial
> 
> It is written in vala, so there aren't a lot of good example rpm spec
> files to follow unfortunately... That is why I haven't attempted to
> package it myself.

There is nothing that special. There is a bunch of software written in
Vala already packaged in Fedora (use repoquery to get the list and look
at http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/ ) and atleast
one packaged by me under review (gnome-format).

If you need help, drop me a mail offlist.

Rahul

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-12 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak

I would like to see moserial added.

moserial is a clean, friendly gtk-based serial terminal for the gnome 
desktop. I use it daily for hardware hacking.


http://live.gnome.org/moserial
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/moserial/2.26/
http://git.gnome.org/cgit/moserial

It is written in vala, so there aren't a lot of good example rpm spec 
files to follow unfortunately... That is why I haven't attempted to 
package it myself.


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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/12/2009 09:05 PM, Robin Laing wrote:

> Here is a product that is not maintained but the SVN has been updated
> multiple times to fix minor problems and add the number of phones
> supported but as the Fedora maintainer states, until an official release
> is out, forget it.
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=426667
> 
> I feel that this is a diservice to Fedora users.

SVN snapshots are not releases. I would be wary of pulling it in as well
unless there are only minor changes which isn't the case here.

> The best way of answering this is to look at the software packages
> available for Ubuntu and cross reference.  The responses on this list
> are going to be those that subscribe to this list.  The users that don't
> subscribe but try Fedora and drop it due to missing package will never
> comment.

Maybe but I am not just asking here. Just crawling through another
distribution's packages list turns out a lot of obscure packages. I find
it better to ask people who are using Fedora.

Rahul

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-12 Thread Robin Laing

Rahul Sundaram wrote:

Hi,

I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
issues.

Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.


Rahul



I have one that is preventing me from upgrading my wife's and daughters 
computers.


kxstitch.
http://kxstitch.sourceforge.net/

I have been in contact with the author about updating the software but I 
cannot build it on F10.  Not enough experience yet on my part.



My other issue is there are packages within Fedora that are based on 
older release candidates that have updated development 
(SVN/CVS/GIT)versions but not release versions.  One it the Motorola 
Phone package.  Moto4lin


http://sourceforge.net/projects/moto4lin

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__all__&product=Fedora&content=Moto4lin

Here is a product that is not maintained but the SVN has been updated 
multiple times to fix minor problems and add the number of phones 
supported but as the Fedora maintainer states, until an official release 
is out, forget it.


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=426667

I feel that this is a diservice to Fedora users.

The best way of answering this is to look at the software packages 
available for Ubuntu and cross reference.  The responses on this list 
are going to be those that subscribe to this list.  The users that don't 
subscribe but try Fedora and drop it due to missing package will never 
comment.


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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-11 Thread max
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 08:26:31PM +0100, Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
> 2009/5/11 Rahul Sundaram :
> > On 05/11/2009 05:25 PM, Fennix wrote:
> 
> >> I have been trying to find TorK which might be a usefull addition
> >
> > Homepage? What does it do?
> 
> http://tork.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php
> 
> "TorK is an Anonymity Manager. It helps you to manage and use the Tor
> network for anonymous internet activity and the mixminion network for
> anonymous email."
> 
> 
Exactly what is kept anonymous and from who?


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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-11 Thread Linuxguy123
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 16:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
> that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
> suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
> issues.
> 
> Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
> what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
> fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
> package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
> for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.

Cron-O-meter.  http://spaz.ca/cronometer/

Its a software package that fitness conscious people can use to monitor
and track their biomarkers, diet, etc.  It works really well.  



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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 12 May 2009 01:11:35 +0530
Rahul Sundaram wrote:

> > I said that: some software that needs it I'd rather not figure out
> > how to rebuild. (Yes, non-open source software - I'm doomed :-).  
> 
> Which ones? Please be specific. It is important to know the nature of
> the problem.

Well, the ones that are simplest to remember are most of the NightStar
tools in our realtime software tool set:

http://news.ccur.com/isd_solutions_nightstarlinux.asp

I think I remember seeing a couple of others as well but can't remember
what they were off the top of my head.

Like I said, not open source, no reason for me to expect anyone
to actually care, but I thought I'd mention it :-).

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-11 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/12/2009 01:04 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Tue, 12 May 2009 00:19:13 +0530
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> 
>> It is not very useful to request a random old library without explaining
>> what benefit it provides.
> 
> I said that: some software that needs it I'd rather not figure out
> how to rebuild. (Yes, non-open source software - I'm doomed :-).

Which ones? Please be specific. It is important to know the nature of
the problem.

Rahul

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 12 May 2009 00:19:13 +0530
Rahul Sundaram wrote:

> It is not very useful to request a random old library without explaining
> what benefit it provides.

I said that: some software that needs it I'd rather not figure out
how to rebuild. (Yes, non-open source software - I'm doomed :-).

> I am unlikely to be interested in doing this,
> anyway.

Well, I figured that, but you wanted the list :-).

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-11 Thread Sharpe, Sam J
2009/5/11 Rahul Sundaram :
> On 05/11/2009 05:25 PM, Fennix wrote:

>> I have been trying to find TorK which might be a usefull addition
>
> Homepage? What does it do?

http://tork.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php

"TorK is an Anonymity Manager. It helps you to manage and use the Tor
network for anonymous internet activity and the mixminion network for
anonymous email."


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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-11 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/11/2009 05:25 PM, Fennix wrote:

> 
> Alien: Converts packages between various formats (rpm, deb, tgz, etc.).
> This already seems to have an associated review request:
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456756

If it already has a review request, I don't need to interfere in the
process. Packages would be imported after the review is completed.

> I have been trying to find TorK which might be a usefull addition

Homepage? What does it do?

Rahul

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-11 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/11/2009 06:19 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> I just remembered another one: A compatibility rpm with the
> old libcap.so.1 library so some software I'd rather not have
> to rebuild can run (to invoke distro jealousy I'll mention
> that both ubuntu and suse still have libcap.so.1 in their
> repos :-).

Compatibility packages are generally provided for specific reasons
including old packages which depend on them. So distributions would vary
on these, depending on which versions of software they ship if they ship
it at all in the first place.

It is not very useful to request a random old library without explaining
what benefit it provides. I am unlikely to be interested in doing this,
anyway.

Rahul

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-11 Thread Dmitriy

Tom Horsley пишет:

I just remembered another one: A compatibility rpm with the
old libcap.so.1 library so some software I'd rather not have
to rebuild can run (to invoke distro jealousy I'll mention
that both ubuntu and suse still have libcap.so.1 in their
repos :-).

  

No, i'm actually kinda serious... :-)

There's another thread by me with subject "Fedora 10 and 
libresmgr.so.1". I'm actually experiencing some trouble using alsa: it 
suddenly required libresmgr.so.1 (somewhy), and i can't find it anywhere 
built for fedora, neither teach alsa to not require it.


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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-11 Thread Tom Horsley
I just remembered another one: A compatibility rpm with the
old libcap.so.1 library so some software I'd rather not have
to rebuild can run (to invoke distro jealousy I'll mention
that both ubuntu and suse still have libcap.so.1 in their
repos :-).

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-11 Thread Dmitriy

Siddhesh Poyarekar пишет:

On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 16:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
  

I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
issues.

Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.



Alien: Converts packages between various formats (rpm, deb, tgz, etc.).
This already seems to have an associated review request:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456756


Siddhesh

  
resmgr, that provides libresmgr.so.1 could be very useful for people 
like me :-D
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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-11 Thread Fennix
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:

> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 16:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
> > that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
> > suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
> > issues.
> >
> > Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
> > what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
> > fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
> > package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
> > for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.
>
> Alien: Converts packages between various formats (rpm, deb, tgz, etc.).
> This already seems to have an associated review request:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456756
>
>
> Siddhesh
>
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I have been trying to find TorK which might be a usefull addition
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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-11 Thread Siddhesh Poyarekar
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 16:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
> that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
> suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
> issues.
> 
> Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
> what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
> fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
> package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
> for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.

Alien: Converts packages between various formats (rpm, deb, tgz, etc.).
This already seems to have an associated review request:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456756


Siddhesh

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-09 Thread NiftyFedora Mitch
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Suvayu Ali  wrote:
> NiftyFedora Mitch wrote:
>>
>> Plugins for 64 bit  Firefox are a tangle.
>> This is especially so if Opera and other
>> browsers are installed.
>> An 'alternates' solution for Firefox(32|64)
>> would be nice.
>> Not as nice as a Adobe moving to 64 bit..
>> but flash and friends are not the only plugins
>> in the world.
>> It might help if Firefox/Mozilla had a plugin
>> petition button that could be launched if
>> a plugin was unavailable.  A score card
>> might help "geter" done.
>
> If I may ask, what is wrong with 64 bit FF plugins? I use 64 bit F10, and
> the only 32 bit packages I use are skype related, and nothing (plugin-wise)
> could be better. Even 64 bit flash has behaved itself.
>

With a 32 bit opera and a 64 bit firefox and yet another experimental browser
I have had to dig into the plugin and pluginwraper dirs and tidy
things up on a number of occasions.  I do have the experimental
Adobe 64bit plugin for flash so with two+ experiments in progress
it may be that I am doing anomalous stuff to my system.



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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-09 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht

Rahul Sundaram  writes:
> I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
> that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
> suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
> issues.

analog -- www logfile analyser and summary report generator
  http://www.analog.cx/

I notice that most of the other programs I have in my local source
directory have already been put into the yum repositories.  Neat!

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-08 Thread Suvayu Ali

NiftyFedora Mitch wrote:

Plugins for 64 bit  Firefox are a tangle.
This is especially so if Opera and other
browsers are installed.
An 'alternates' solution for Firefox(32|64)
would be nice.
Not as nice as a Adobe moving to 64 bit..
but flash and friends are not the only plugins
in the world.
It might help if Firefox/Mozilla had a plugin
petition button that could be launched if
a plugin was unavailable.  A score card
might help "geter" done.


If I may ask, what is wrong with 64 bit FF plugins? I use 64 bit F10, 
and the only 32 bit packages I use are skype related, and nothing 
(plugin-wise) could be better. Even 64 bit flash has behaved itself.


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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-08 Thread NiftyFedora Mitch
On 5/7/09, Rahul Sundaram  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
> that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
> suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
> issues.
>

Plugins for 64 bit  Firefox are a tangle.
This is especially so if Opera and other
browsers are installed.
An 'alternates' solution for Firefox(32|64)
would be nice.
Not as nice as a Adobe moving to 64 bit..
but flash and friends are not the only plugins
in the world.
It might help if Firefox/Mozilla had a plugin
petition button that could be launched if
a plugin was unavailable.  A score card
might help "geter" done.





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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Dave Feustel wrote:
> 64-bit Maxima is in the education and science repositories, but it does
> not install for me on Suse 11.0 because of dependency issues.

64-bit Maxima works just fine in Fedora, issues with other distros are off
topic here.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-08 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/08/2009 10:25 PM, Georgi Hristozov wrote:

> 
> I didn't knew that policy, sorry then.

You weren't really expected to be aware of all the Fedora policies. I am
sure, I am not.

> I think the problem with omnibook is with the kernel, not Fedora. I
> don't know the kernel development process in detail, so I don't know why
> this module is not commited there. But anyway, I'm not the only one
> using it, and I'm sure that the kernel hackers are aware of omnibook, so
> there should be a good reason to keep it out of Linux. :)

Please file a bug report anyway and it can be looked into.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-08 Thread Georgi Hristozov
Hi,

Rahul Sundaram написа:
> On 05/07/2009 05:32 PM, Georgi Hristozov wrote:
> 
>> It will be nice to see the omnibook module too (
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/omke ). The project seems dead and the
>> only usable version is the SVN snapshot, but I think it will help the
>> notebook users who can't compile the module themselves and need built-in
>> support for the specific hardware. For example, without omnibook it's
>> impossible to use your bluetooth on such notebook.
> 
> Fedora doesn't allow third party kernel module packages. It can go to
> RPM Fusion but this stuff should just work out of the box and not depend
> on dead modules. Can you file a bug report in http://bugzilla.redhat.com
> for the functionality that is missing?
> 
> Rahul
> 

I didn't knew that policy, sorry then.

I think the problem with omnibook is with the kernel, not Fedora. I
don't know the kernel development process in detail, so I don't know why
this module is not commited there. But anyway, I'm not the only one
using it, and I'm sure that the kernel hackers are aware of omnibook, so
there should be a good reason to keep it out of Linux. :)



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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-08 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/08/2009 04:58 PM, Henry Ritzlmayr wrote:

> www.kdenlive.org
> free and open-source video editor for GNU/Linux and FreeBSD

Yes, It is going to RPM Fusion because it isn't acceptable for Fedora
due to the usual thorny multimedia related patent issues.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-08 Thread Henry Ritzlmayr
Am Donnerstag, den 07.05.2009, 16:31 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
> Hi,
> 
> I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
> that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
> suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
> issues.
> 
> Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
> what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
> fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
> package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
> for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.
> 
> 
> Rahul
> 

www.kdenlive.org
free and open-source video editor for GNU/Linux and FreeBSD

an older Version ist already in 

http://mirror.yandex.ru/fedora/tigro/10/i386/

requires mlt and mlt++

Review requests on rpmfusion

https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=527
https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528
https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=529

Henry




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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-08 Thread Mike Cloaked



Pim Zandbergen wrote:
> 
> 
> Any CalDAV server.
> 
> Not using one now, but I would like to.
> Preferably Apple's Calender Server which has been ported to Debian
> 
> http://calendarserver.org/
> http://packages.debian.org/en/squeeze/calendarserver
> 
> 

This would be really nice to have available
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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 08 May 2009, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Gene Heskett  
wrote:
>> Unforch Arther, it hasn't made a peep since.  But I haven't hit the MSM
>> news sites yet either.  Probably need to reboot just so things can find
>> each other again I suppose.  Did you reboot?
>
>I can't say that I remember, but that probably wouldn't hurt. Once you
>do that, try `speaker-test` to see if you hear anything. you may have
>to adjust your sound volume levels.

I just did reboot, then went to the multimedia setup & tested things & put 
what worked best at the top of the list.  I still haven't heard but a very 
plaintive boinc from kmail announcing new mail though.  I may not have it 
configured correctly either, and its getting late.  Thanks Arther.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> Unforch Arther, it hasn't made a peep since.  But I haven't hit the MSM news
> sites yet either.  Probably need to reboot just so things can find each other
> again I suppose.  Did you reboot?

I can't say that I remember, but that probably wouldn't hurt. Once you
do that, try `speaker-test` to see if you hear anything. you may have
to adjust your sound volume levels.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 07 May 2009, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Gene Heskett  
wrote:
>> On Thursday 07 May 2009, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>>>On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Gene Heskett 
>>
>> wrote:
 On Thursday 07 May 2009, Rex Dieter wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> While not an answer, how about something that will let kde sounds work
>> with fedora? Obviously and apparently pulse isn't it, probably for
>> lack of configuration tools.
>
>That's either
>1.  configuration issue
>2.  audio driver support/bug
>3.  pulseaudio bug
>
>none of which is solvable by additional software.
>
>If you've given up on trying to use PA, try
>yum remove pulseaudio
>
>If it still doesn't work, then it's not pa's fault.
>
>-- Rex

 Thanks Rex.  I have been somewhat determined to make it work since I
 don't see near as much evidence of the gored ox with f10, and in truth,
 nearly everything does work, except the sound effects for kde, they
 sound like they are coming from a set of headphones, in the next room,
 not this one.

 With 3 audio systems installed, the usual on a high priced asus
 mainboard, and an audigy2(not the stripped 'live' model) and apparently
 it has found an audio system on the HD-2400 Pro video card too, I
 suppose kde's output is miss- directed somehow.  But, I removed the
 module build for all the others except for the audigy2 thinking that
 would force everything to use the audigy2.  No effect other than a
 constant nag from kde asking if I want it to forget the other stuff, and
 I click yes & check the don't nag me again box.  But it does, everytime
 I startx.  I even have jack installed and have played the 10,000 monkeys
 thing configuring it, nothing helps.  Shrug.  Everything else works.
>>>
>>>I have a similar setup. However I also have (and want) 5.1 sound... so
>>>I just removed PulseAudio.
>>
>> I just tried that too Arther, and yum looked like it only removed that
>> which it needed to remove, unlike the last time (F8 then) when it wanted
>> to remove most of X/KDE.
>>
>> So we'll see, but haven't tested much yet.
>>
>> Thanks for the nudge to try it again.
>
>Cool. I know for sure it works for me. So I hope it works as well for you.
>
Unforch Arther, it hasn't made a peep since.  But I haven't hit the MSM news 
sites yet either.  Probably need to reboot just so things can find each other 
again I suppose.  Did you reboot?
>
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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> On Thursday 07 May 2009, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>>On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Gene Heskett 
> wrote:
>>> On Thursday 07 May 2009, Rex Dieter wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
> While not an answer, how about something that will let kde sounds work
> with fedora? Obviously and apparently pulse isn't it, probably for lack
> of configuration tools.

That's either
1.  configuration issue
2.  audio driver support/bug
3.  pulseaudio bug

none of which is solvable by additional software.

If you've given up on trying to use PA, try
yum remove pulseaudio

If it still doesn't work, then it's not pa's fault.

-- Rex
>>>
>>> Thanks Rex.  I have been somewhat determined to make it work since I don't
>>> see near as much evidence of the gored ox with f10, and in truth, nearly
>>> everything does work, except the sound effects for kde, they sound like
>>> they are coming from a set of headphones, in the next room, not this one.
>>>
>>> With 3 audio systems installed, the usual on a high priced asus mainboard,
>>> and an audigy2(not the stripped 'live' model) and apparently it has found
>>> an audio system on the HD-2400 Pro video card too, I suppose kde's output
>>> is miss- directed somehow.  But, I removed the module build for all the
>>> others except for the audigy2 thinking that would force everything to use
>>> the audigy2.  No effect other than a constant nag from kde asking if I
>>> want it to forget the other stuff, and I click yes & check the don't nag
>>> me again box.  But it does, everytime I startx.  I even have jack
>>> installed and have played the 10,000 monkeys thing configuring it, nothing
>>> helps.  Shrug.  Everything else works.
>>
>>I have a similar setup. However I also have (and want) 5.1 sound... so
>>I just removed PulseAudio.
>>
> I just tried that too Arther, and yum looked like it only removed that which
> it needed to remove, unlike the last time (F8 then) when it wanted to remove
> most of X/KDE.
>
> So we'll see, but haven't tested much yet.
>
> Thanks for the nudge to try it again.


Cool. I know for sure it works for me. So I hope it works as well for you.


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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 07 May 2009, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Gene Heskett  
wrote:
>> On Thursday 07 May 2009, Rex Dieter wrote:
>>>Gene Heskett wrote:
 While not an answer, how about something that will let kde sounds work
 with fedora? Obviously and apparently pulse isn't it, probably for lack
 of configuration tools.
>>>
>>>That's either
>>>1.  configuration issue
>>>2.  audio driver support/bug
>>>3.  pulseaudio bug
>>>
>>>none of which is solvable by additional software.
>>>
>>>If you've given up on trying to use PA, try
>>>yum remove pulseaudio
>>>
>>>If it still doesn't work, then it's not pa's fault.
>>>
>>>-- Rex
>>
>> Thanks Rex.  I have been somewhat determined to make it work since I don't
>> see near as much evidence of the gored ox with f10, and in truth, nearly
>> everything does work, except the sound effects for kde, they sound like
>> they are coming from a set of headphones, in the next room, not this one.
>>
>> With 3 audio systems installed, the usual on a high priced asus mainboard,
>> and an audigy2(not the stripped 'live' model) and apparently it has found
>> an audio system on the HD-2400 Pro video card too, I suppose kde's output
>> is miss- directed somehow.  But, I removed the module build for all the
>> others except for the audigy2 thinking that would force everything to use
>> the audigy2.  No effect other than a constant nag from kde asking if I
>> want it to forget the other stuff, and I click yes & check the don't nag
>> me again box.  But it does, everytime I startx.  I even have jack
>> installed and have played the 10,000 monkeys thing configuring it, nothing
>> helps.  Shrug.  Everything else works.
>
>I have a similar setup. However I also have (and want) 5.1 sound... so
>I just removed PulseAudio.
>
I just tried that too Arther, and yum looked like it only removed that which 
it needed to remove, unlike the last time (F8 then) when it wanted to remove 
most of X/KDE.

So we'll see, but haven't tested much yet.

Thanks for the nudge to try it again.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> On Thursday 07 May 2009, Rex Dieter wrote:
>>Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> While not an answer, how about something that will let kde sounds work
>>> with fedora? Obviously and apparently pulse isn't it, probably for lack of
>>> configuration tools.
>>
>>That's either
>>1.  configuration issue
>>2.  audio driver support/bug
>>3.  pulseaudio bug
>>
>>none of which is solvable by additional software.
>>
>>If you've given up on trying to use PA, try
>>yum remove pulseaudio
>>
>>If it still doesn't work, then it's not pa's fault.
>>
>>-- Rex
>
> Thanks Rex.  I have been somewhat determined to make it work since I don't see
> near as much evidence of the gored ox with f10, and in truth, nearly
> everything does work, except the sound effects for kde, they sound like they
> are coming from a set of headphones, in the next room, not this one.
>
> With 3 audio systems installed, the usual on a high priced asus mainboard, and
> an audigy2(not the stripped 'live' model) and apparently it has found an audio
> system on the HD-2400 Pro video card too, I suppose kde's output is miss-
> directed somehow.  But, I removed the module build for all the others except
> for the audigy2 thinking that would force everything to use the audigy2.  No
> effect other than a constant nag from kde asking if I want it to forget the
> other stuff, and I click yes & check the don't nag me again box.  But it does,
> everytime I startx.  I even have jack installed and have played the 10,000
> monkeys thing configuring it, nothing helps.  Shrug.  Everything else works.


I have a similar setup. However I also have (and want) 5.1 sound... so
I just removed PulseAudio.


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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 07 May 2009, Rex Dieter wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> While not an answer, how about something that will let kde sounds work
>> with fedora? Obviously and apparently pulse isn't it, probably for lack of
>> configuration tools.
>
>That's either
>1.  configuration issue
>2.  audio driver support/bug
>3.  pulseaudio bug
>
>none of which is solvable by additional software.
>
>If you've given up on trying to use PA, try
>yum remove pulseaudio
>
>If it still doesn't work, then it's not pa's fault.
>
>-- Rex

Thanks Rex.  I have been somewhat determined to make it work since I don't see 
near as much evidence of the gored ox with f10, and in truth, nearly 
everything does work, except the sound effects for kde, they sound like they 
are coming from a set of headphones, in the next room, not this one.

With 3 audio systems installed, the usual on a high priced asus mainboard, and 
an audigy2(not the stripped 'live' model) and apparently it has found an audio 
system on the HD-2400 Pro video card too, I suppose kde's output is miss-
directed somehow.  But, I removed the module build for all the others except 
for the audigy2 thinking that would force everything to use the audigy2.  No 
effect other than a constant nag from kde asking if I want it to forget the 
other stuff, and I click yes & check the don't nag me again box.  But it does, 
everytime I startx.  I even have jack installed and have played the 10,000 
monkeys thing configuring it, nothing helps.  Shrug.  Everything else works.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread David Burns
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 1:01 AM, Rahul Sundaram
wrote:

> I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
> that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
> suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
> issues.

Tell me the home page of the software


http://ferret.wrc.noaa.gov/Ferret/



> and give me a brief description on
> what it does.


"Ferret is an interactive computer visualization and analysis environment
designed to meet the needs of oceanographers and meteorologists analyzing
large and complex gridded data sets."


 Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
> fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
> package review queue.


There is an existing rubygem named ferret that is already a fedora package,
but that is a different project, some kind of search engine.

Thanks,
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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/07/2009 05:30 PM, sankarshan wrote:
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Rahul Sundaram
>  wrote:
> 
>> Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
>> what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
>> fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
>> package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
>> for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.
> 
> Is it possible to have this on the wiki (after sufficient number of
> such applications have been discussed on the mailing list) ?

Yep. I am posting to other places as well but as the threads quieten
down, I will sweep up and post it somewhere.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/07/2009 06:31 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> While not an answer, how about something that will let kde sounds work with 
> fedora? Obviously and apparently pulse isn't it, probably for lack of 
> configuration tools.

I have no idea what the problem is but it is obviously completed
unrelated to the question and unlikely to be solved by adding more
software. So I guess a different post in a separate thread is in order.
Perhaps file a bug report or post to fedora-kde list.

Rahul

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/07/2009 07:12 PM, Tim wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 14:53 +0200, Axel wrote:
>> Homepage : http://www.kill-9.org/mbrowse/ (down at this moment)
> 
> I notice that sort of thing with a lot of packages.  You do a rpm -qi on
> them, and the package's homepage is dead, or links to a wrong page on
> their site.  It doesn't engender much confidence in using some software
> if its website is dead, or hasn't been updated in five years.  One might
> think that the RPM building routine might check meta data about the
> package web address for 404s, or "no such domain" errors, and prompt for
> some human interaction.

There are some checks but for some software, there is no obvious home
page or the project upstream is dead but there are users for it. If
there is a updated homepage, file a bug report.

Rahul

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 07 May 2009 08:17:31 -0700, Francis wrote:

> > It doesn't engender much confidence in using some software
> > if its website is dead, or hasn't been updated in five years.
> 
> There are actually rules that don't permit such software to remain in
> Fedora,

Really? Rules actually? Or just recommendations related to dead projects
that suffer from a growing list of unfixed bugs/problems?

Please post the links to these Fedora rules.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Tim
Tim:
>> It doesn't engender much confidence in using some software
>> if its website is dead, or hasn't been updated in five years.

Francis Earl:
> There are actually rules that don't permit such software to remain in
> Fedora, so file bugs when you come across something that hasn't been
> touched in such a long period. I agree there should be mechanisms
> around, but filing bugs is just as useful - even if it's more time
> consuming.

Sometimes you want such software, as it's the only thing that does it's
job, or is bug free and didn't need further work ;-), etc.  But part of
the build process red flagging such things could lead to user actions
such as removing dross from the repos, editing the RPM info to remove
dead links, etc.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Rex Dieter
Gene Heskett wrote:


> While not an answer, how about something that will let kde sounds work
> with fedora? Obviously and apparently pulse isn't it, probably for lack of
> configuration tools.

That's either 
1.  configuration issue
2.  audio driver support/bug
3.  pulseaudio bug

none of which is solvable by additional software.

If you've given up on trying to use PA, try
yum remove pulseaudio 

If it still doesn't work, then it's not pa's fault.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Francis Earl
> It doesn't engender much confidence in using some software
> if its website is dead, or hasn't been updated in five years.

There are actually rules that don't permit such software to remain in
Fedora, so file bugs when you come across something that hasn't been
touched in such a long period. I agree there should be mechanisms
around, but filing bugs is just as useful - even if it's more time
consuming.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Pim Zandbergen

Rahul Sundaram wrote:

Hi,

I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
that is not available via the Fedora repository.

Any CalDAV server.

Not using one now, but I would like to.
Preferably Apple's Calender Server which has been ported to Debian

http://calendarserver.org/
http://packages.debian.org/en/squeeze/calendarserver

Pim

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Pim Zandbergen

Rahul Sundaram wrote:

Hi,

I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
that is not available via the Fedora repository.

chan-capi (http://www.chan-capi.org)

chan-capi allows the Asterisk open source PBX, which is already part of 
Fedora

to use ISDN cards using the CAPI interface.

chan-capi is included upstream in callweaver, an Asterisk fork which is 
also part of Fedora.


Asterisk would require a newer version of chan-capi than callweaver, though.

Pim

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Alan Cox
> that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
> suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
> issues.

JMRI is the obvious one now we have openjdk. However JMRI relies upon the
java async communications interfaces which openjdk currently appears to
be missing for some reason.

So until OpenJDK is actually a drop in replacement for Sun's Java stuff I
guess its stuck.

Other than that and xapian/omega (which I use for some search setups) not
a lot.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
> that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
> suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
> issues.
>
> Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
> what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
> fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
> package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
> for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.

dbacl  -   http://dbacl.sourceforge.net/

Powerful text classifier, I'm using it with procmail as a spam filter.

Apparently not in the package review queue.
Should be easy to package, almost no dependencies.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 14:53 +0200, Axel wrote:
> Homepage : http://www.kill-9.org/mbrowse/ (down at this moment)

I notice that sort of thing with a lot of packages.  You do a rpm -qi on
them, and the package's homepage is dead, or links to a wrong page on
their site.  It doesn't engender much confidence in using some software
if its website is dead, or hasn't been updated in five years.  One might
think that the RPM building routine might check meta data about the
package web address for 404s, or "no such domain" errors, and prompt for
some human interaction.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 07 May 2009, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
>that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
>suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
>issues.
>
>Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
>what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
>fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
>package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
>for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.
>
>
>Rahul

While not an answer, how about something that will let kde sounds work with 
fedora? Obviously and apparently pulse isn't it, probably for lack of 
configuration tools.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Axel

Le 07/05/2009 13:01, Rahul Sundaram a écrit :

Hi,

I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
issues.

Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.


Rahul

   


mbrowse, a graphical SNMP MIB browser, available on debian/ubuntu. 
License : GPL.


Ubuntu package : http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/mbrowse

Homepage : http://www.kill-9.org/mbrowse/ (down at this moment)

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/07/2009 05:32 PM, Georgi Hristozov wrote:

> 
> It will be nice to see the omnibook module too (
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/omke ). The project seems dead and the
> only usable version is the SVN snapshot, but I think it will help the
> notebook users who can't compile the module themselves and need built-in
> support for the specific hardware. For example, without omnibook it's
> impossible to use your bluetooth on such notebook.

Fedora doesn't allow third party kernel module packages. It can go to
RPM Fusion but this stuff should just work out of the box and not depend
on dead modules. Can you file a bug report in http://bugzilla.redhat.com
for the functionality that is missing?

Rahul

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Georgi Hristozov
Hi,

Rahul Sundaram написа:
> Hi,
> 
> I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
> that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
> suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
> issues.
> 
> Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
> what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
> fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
> package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
> for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.
> 
> 
> Rahul
> 

I'm missing wicd - a python-based alternative network manager (
http://wicd.net/ ). It's very easy to install, but adding it to the
Fedora repo will help the users to keep up with the updates. I found
some discussions about adding it to the repos, but nothing have happened
since then (March 2008).

It will be nice to see the omnibook module too (
http://sourceforge.net/projects/omke ). The project seems dead and the
only usable version is the SVN snapshot, but I think it will help the
notebook users who can't compile the module themselves and need built-in
support for the specific hardware. For example, without omnibook it's
impossible to use your bluetooth on such notebook.

And, finally, one game - Simutrans ( http://www.simutrans.com/ ). It's a
transportation simulation game. The package won't be very big, even with
 a few PAKs.



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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread sankarshan
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Rahul Sundaram
 wrote:

> Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
> what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
> fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
> package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
> for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.

Is it possible to have this on the wiki (after sufficient number of
such applications have been discussed on the mailing list) ?

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 07 May 2009 16:31:55 +0530
Rahul Sundaram wrote:

> I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
> that is not available via the Fedora repository.

I use "remind" as a substitute for evolution's appointment mechanism
since I gave up on evolution ever working reliably.

http://www.roaringpenguin.com/products/remind

I use it together with a silly message popup tool I wrote which I'd
be perfectly willing to have in the repos as long a I didn't have to
do any of the work :-).

http://home.att.net/~Tom.Horsley/qtmess.html

I also use truecrypt (http://www.truecrypt.org/), but I have
a feeling someone somewhere would decide there are potential
issues with it.

Then, of course, there is gdmsetup (which I would use if only it
existed :-).

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Dave Feustel
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 04:31:55PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
> that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
> suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
> issues.
> 
> Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
> what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
> fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
> package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
> for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.
> 
> 
> Rahul

64-bit Maxima is in the education and science repositories, but it does not
install for me on Suse 11.0 because of dependency issues.

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Re: What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Frank Murphy (Frankly3D)

On 07/05/09 12:01, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

Hi,

I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
issues.

Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.


Rahul



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avoiding errors. Imagine that you can easily adapt it and extend its 
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What software is missing in the Fedora repository?

2009-05-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi,

I am doing a quick survey for software that you use on a regular basis
that is not available via the Fedora repository. Software that you
suggest should be free and open source, free of patent and other legal
issues.

Tell me the home page of the software and give me a brief description on
what it does.  Bonus points if you can see in Google for "software-name
fedora package review" to figure it if it is already in the Fedora
package review queue. If you know of RPM packages in other distributions
for the software your are suggesting, that information is useful as well.


Rahul

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