Resume fails (was Re: mount question [SOLVED])
Mikkel L. Ellertson mik...@infinity-ltd.com wrote: Steve wrote: My only other problem is that if set any time for Put computer to sleep when inactive for:, System-Prefernces-System-Power Management, the computer does go to sleep at the appropriate time but it can not be woken up again. This issue was discussed on this list last Nov or Dec and it appears that it hasn't been fixed yet. Steve You should probably start a new thread about this. From what I have seen, it is machine dependent. There are different things you can try if it does not work out of the box. I know it works on my laptop. I have not tried it on my desktop. I didn't think that a new thread was necessary since this is a known problem but I can't find a bug that really fits this problem to add my 2c to. Most of them appear to be specific to a particular laptop or a particular graphics driver. I have 2 different desktops both running F9 and both using (different) nVidia graphics cards. Both of them fail to resume after hibernation. The logs show that everything worked OK. Got a bug number for me ar shall I write a new one? Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mount question [SOLVED]
Steve wrote: I'm still left with many questions that I think are not so easy to answer. What overwrote my fstab file in the first place? No idea Why did it get overwritten without any notification? No idea. Why did whatever overwrote it decide for me that my Windows partition should be removed? It doesn't like Windows? :) Why does mount report that a filesystem is of type fuseblk when the type requested was ntfs-3g? If I remember correctly, NTFS-3G works in user space, and uses FUSE to do the mounting. Why is there no mention of type fuseblk in the mount man page or in the fstab man page?man mount? There should probable be a see also pointing to FUSE. But there doesn't seem to be a fuse man page. You may want to read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/fuse-2.7.4. Why does mount report permission denied instead of something like bad type when it gets an incorrect type? The error message is most likely generated by the mount.fuse helper application. It really should be improved. I am used to seeing it when rpm is checking for free space, and it tries to read my fuse-mounted encrypted directory. It is possible to mount file systems using fuse that root cannot access. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mount question [SOLVED]
Mikkel L. Ellertson mik...@infinity-ltd.com wrote: Steve wrote: I'm still left with many questions that I think are not so easy to answer. What overwrote my fstab file in the first place? No idea Why did it get overwritten without any notification? No idea. Why did whatever overwrote it decide for me that my Windows partition should be removed? It doesn't like Windows? :) Who does!? Why does mount report that a filesystem is of type fuseblk when the type requested was ntfs-3g? If I remember correctly, NTFS-3G works in user space, and uses FUSE to do the mounting. Why is there no mention of type fuseblk in the mount man page or in the fstab man page?man mount? There should probable be a see also pointing to FUSE. But there doesn't seem to be a fuse man page. You may want to read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/fuse-2.7.4. Why does mount report permission denied instead of something like bad type when it gets an incorrect type? The error message is most likely generated by the mount.fuse helper application. It really should be improved. I am used to seeing it when rpm is checking for free space, and it tries to read my fuse-mounted encrypted directory. It is possible to mount file systems using fuse that root cannot access. I think I'll write an RFE on the util-linux-ng package requesting a better error message and better documentation, assuming that there isn't one already. I updated to F9 this past weekend and it went smoother than I had anticipated. My fstab was overwritten again and my Windows partition mount was removed again but at least I know how to fix that now. My only other problem is that if set any time for Put computer to sleep when inactive for:, System-Prefernces-System-Power Management, the computer does go to sleep at the appropriate time but it can not be woken up again. This issue was discussed on this list last Nov or Dec and it appears that it hasn't been fixed yet. Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mount question [SOLVED]
Steve wrote: My only other problem is that if set any time for Put computer to sleep when inactive for:, System-Prefernces-System-Power Management, the computer does go to sleep at the appropriate time but it can not be woken up again. This issue was discussed on this list last Nov or Dec and it appears that it hasn't been fixed yet. Steve You should probably start a new thread about this. From what I have seen, it is machine dependent. There are different things you can try if it does not work out of the box. I know it works on my laptop. I have not tried it on my desktop. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mount question [SOLVED]
Mikkel L. Ellertson mik...@infinity-ltd.com wrote: I'll try changing the type from fuse to ntfs tonight and see what that does. The error message of permission denied leads me to think that this will not solve the problem but hey, I've been wrong before...1982 I think it was... ;-D I have to say though that I am really suprised that nobody on this list can give a simple answer to the seemingly simple question of how do I change the mount point of a hard drive. Steve. Maybe it is more of a problem with the subject that you used? Something on the order of: /dev/sdb1 /mnt/c_drive ntfs-3g options 0 0 It worked fine for me in F8 for mounting a NTFS partition. (Different names...) Thanks, Mikkel. The solution was as simple as using the correct type, ntfs-3g, in the /etc/fstab file. My Windows partition is now mounted n the correct place which allowed my USB drive to go back to /media/disk instead of /media/disk-1 and so now my backups are working again. I completed full backups last night and so my next task is to upgrade to F9 using a DVD since preupgrade doesn't work for me. I'm still left with many questions that I think are not so easy to answer. What overwrote my fstab file in the first place? Why did it get overwritten without any notification? Why did whatever overwrote it decide for me that my Windows partition should be removed? Why does mount report that a filesystem is of type fuseblk when the type requested was ntfs-3g? Why is there no mention of type fuseblk in the mount man page or in the fstab man page?man mount Why does mount report permission denied instead of something like bad type when it gets an incorrect type? Steve. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mount question
Aldo Foot wrote: My understanding is that in /media the OS expects to find removable media such as usb drives. The /mnt mount point is for nfs and local filesystems. Those mount points are sort of designated places for specific filesystems. Please shed some light if I'm wrong. ~af My understanding is that /media is used as a mount point for things that are not found in /etc/fstab, and are detected by HAL. HAL mounts them there so the the console user can access them. The user normally can not create directories in /mnt. This is different from automount, where the directories are already there. Automount mounts the specified file system when someone tries to access it. Mikke; -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mount question
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson mik...@infinity-ltd.com wrote: Aldo Foot wrote: My understanding is that in /media the OS expects to find removable media such as usb drives. The /mnt mount point is for nfs and local filesystems. Those mount points are sort of designated places for specific filesystems. Please shed some light if I'm wrong. ~af My understanding is that /media is used as a mount point for things that are not found in /etc/fstab, and are detected by HAL. HAL mounts them there so the the console user can access them. The user normally can not create directories in /mnt. That a great way of explaining what /media is for. This is different from automount, where the directories are already there. Automount mounts the specified file system when someone tries to access it. Sort of mount on demand; meaning df -h will only show a cd or pen drive until the user clicks on it to access it. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mount question
Aldo Foot wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: Not true. The ntfs module could be compiled with write abilities in RH9. It wasn't _reliable_ but it was there, and it didn't use udev. udev really doesn't have anything to do with filesystems other than potentially triggering a mount command. you're right...the ability to mount ntfs r/w was indeed available way back but the admonitions were clear that by doing so would likely damage the filesystem. That sort of made a non-option. I agree with the OP that it probably should mount an internal IDE drive somewhere other than /media but I suspect that he originally mounted it as a user and that's where it appears. The man pages for ntfs-3g and if needed, http://ntfs-3g.org/support.html should be all he needs to get it to mount where his heart desires. Craig My understanding is that in /media the OS expects to find removable media such as usb drives. The /mnt mount point is for nfs and local filesystems. Those mount points are sort of designated places for specific filesystems. Please shed some light if I'm wrong. ~af From the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. http://www.pathname.com/fhs/index.html /media : Mount point for removable media Purpose This directory contains subdirectories which are used as mount points for removable media such as floppy disks, cdroms and zip disks. Rationale Historically there have been a number of other different places used to mount removable media such as /cdrom, /mnt or /mnt/cdrom. Placing the mount points for all removable media directly in the root directory would potentially result in a large number of extra directories in /. Although the use of subdirectories in /mnt as a mount point has recently been common, it conflicts with a much older tradition of using /mnt directly as a temporary mount point. - /mnt : Mount point for a temporarily mounted filesystem Purpose This directory is provided so that the system administrator may temporarily mount a filesystem as needed. The content of this directory is a local issue and should not affect the manner in which any program is run. This directory must not be used by installation programs: a suitable temporary directory not in use by the system must be used instead. Hope that clears it up. -- Robin Laing -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mount question
Robin Laing robin.la...@drdc-rddc.gc.ca wrote: From the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. http://www.pathname.com/fhs/index.html That page has not been updated since 2004. Still valid? Apparently, HAL doesn't think so. /media : Mount point for removable media Purpose This directory contains subdirectories which are used as mount points for removable media such as floppy disks, cdroms and zip disks. Rationale Historically there have been a number of other different places used to mount removable media such as /cdrom, /mnt or /mnt/cdrom. Placing the mount points for all removable media directly in the root directory would potentially result in a large number of extra directories in /. Although the use of subdirectories in /mnt as a mount point has recently been common, it conflicts with a much older tradition of using /mnt directly as a temporary mount point. - /mnt : Mount point for a temporarily mounted filesystem Purpose This directory is provided so that the system administrator may temporarily mount a filesystem as needed. The content of this directory is a local issue and should not affect the manner in which any program is run. This directory must not be used by installation programs: a suitable temporary directory not in use by the system must be used instead. Hope that clears it up. Yes...and no. That would seem to say that a permanently mouted filesystem such a a Windows partition on a dual boot system should not be mounted in /media since it is not removeable nor should it be mounted in /mnt since it is permanently mounted. But then where? Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mount question
On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 14:23 -0500, Steve wrote: Robin Laing robin.la...@drdc-rddc.gc.ca wrote: From the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. http://www.pathname.com/fhs/index.html That page has not been updated since 2004. Still valid? Apparently, HAL doesn't think so. still valid for sure - /media remains the mount point for removable media That would seem to say that a permanently mouted filesystem such a a Windows partition on a dual boot system should not be mounted in /media since it is not removeable nor should it be mounted in /mnt since it is permanently mounted. But then where? anywhere you want mkdir /disk2 mount /dev/sdb1 /disk2 what's the difference? Even if you mount it somewhere, you can still 'bind' mount it elsewhere at the same time (usually better than symlink - especially when using selinux) Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mount question
Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 14:31 -0500, Steve wrote: Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 16:23 +, Steve wrote: If I let HAL friends automagically mount my Windows partition mount reports this: # mount ... /dev/sdb1 on /media/disk type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096) The problem is that I want this partition mounted on /mnt/c_drive not /media/disk so I tried to add a line to /etc/fstab as follows: /dev/sdb1/mnt/c_drive fuse rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0 (I started with a type of fuseblk instead of fuse but that didn't work at all and note that fuse is not documented in the mount man page) but then as root # mount /dev/sdb1 /bin/sh: /dev/sdb1: Permission denied # ls -l /dev/sdb1 brw-r- 1 root disk 8, 17 2009-01-12 13:24 /dev/sdb1 It's not a selinux problem because I'm running in permissive mode: # sestatus SELinux status: enabled SELinuxfs mount:/selinux Current mode: permissive Mode from config file: permissive Policy version: 23 Policy from config file:targeted This is on an F8 system and I'm trying to get my backup to work so I can upgrade to F9. What am I doing wrong here? perhaps you are just trying to use too much muscle Perhaps I am but personally I don't consider editing /etc/fstab to be heavy lifting. why not just let it mount like it does and use a bind mount elsewhere... mount --bind /media/disk /mnt/c_drive I've no doubt that this will work but there HAS to be a simple way to mount a partition where I want directly. It juts seems so basic. The problem you have is that you are starting with a swimming upstream premise. USB storage is considered 'removable storage' and thus is typically handled by udev as user - which sort of makes sense if you stop to consider it. The 'user' can mount/unmount removable storage devices at any time. /mnt was never intended to be for anything but permanently mounted filesystems, i.e. not removable - no user action required or reasonably permitted. Now if this 'windows filesystem' (and you don't specify what kind it is), is to be mounted by root at boot and remain mounted without any user interaction at all, then by all means add it to /etc/fstab as vfat (if it's vfat) or ntfs-3g (if it's ntfs and recognize that the ntfs-3g automatically uses the fuse system for you). Indeed it is a permanently mounted drive (internal IDE) and it has been mounted on /mnt since before /media became popular. I'll try changing the type from fuse to ntfs tonight and see what that does. The error message of permission denied leads me to think that this will not solve the problem but hey, I've been wrong before...1982 I think it was... ;-D I have to say though that I am really suprised that nobody on this list can give a simple answer to the seemingly simple question of how do I change the mount point of a hard drive. Steve. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mount question
Steve wrote: Indeed it is a permanently mounted drive (internal IDE) and it has been mounted on /mnt since before /media became popular. I'll try changing the type from fuse to ntfs tonight and see what that does. The error message of permission denied leads me to think that this will not solve the problem but hey, I've been wrong before...1982 I think it was... ;-D I have to say though that I am really suprised that nobody on this list can give a simple answer to the seemingly simple question of how do I change the mount point of a hard drive. Steve. Maybe it is more of a problem with the subject that you used? Something on the order of: /dev/sdb1 /mnt/c_drive ntfs-3g options 0 0 It worked fine for me in F8 for mounting a NTFS partition. (Different names...) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mount question
On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 14:33 +, Steve wrote:
Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote:
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 14:31 -0500, Steve wrote:
Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote:
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 16:23 +, Steve wrote:
If I let HAL friends automagically mount my Windows partition mount
reports this:
# mount
...
/dev/sdb1 on /media/disk type fuseblk
(rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096)
The problem is that I want this partition mounted on /mnt/c_drive not
/media/disk so I tried to add a line to /etc/fstab as follows:
/dev/sdb1/mnt/c_drive fuse
rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096
0 0
(I started with a type of fuseblk instead of fuse but that didn't
work at all
and note that fuse is not documented in the mount man page)
but then as root
# mount /dev/sdb1
/bin/sh: /dev/sdb1: Permission denied
# ls -l /dev/sdb1
brw-r- 1 root disk 8, 17 2009-01-12 13:24 /dev/sdb1
It's not a selinux problem because I'm running in permissive mode:
# sestatus
SELinux status: enabled
SELinuxfs mount:/selinux
Current mode: permissive
Mode from config file: permissive
Policy version: 23
Policy from config file:targeted
This is on an F8 system and I'm trying to get my backup to work so I
can upgrade
to F9.
What am I doing wrong here?
perhaps you are just trying to use too much muscle
Perhaps I am but personally I don't consider editing /etc/fstab to be
heavy lifting.
why not just let it mount like it does and use a bind mount elsewhere...
mount --bind /media/disk /mnt/c_drive
I've no doubt that this will work but there HAS to be a simple way to
mount a partition where I want directly. It juts seems so basic.
The problem you have is that you are starting with a swimming upstream
premise.
USB storage is considered 'removable storage' and thus is typically
handled by udev as user - which sort of makes sense if you stop to
consider it. The 'user' can mount/unmount removable storage devices at
any time.
/mnt was never intended to be for anything but permanently mounted
filesystems, i.e. not removable - no user action required or reasonably
permitted.
Now if this 'windows filesystem' (and you don't specify what kind it
is), is to be mounted by root at boot and remain mounted without any
user interaction at all, then by all means add it to /etc/fstab as vfat
(if it's vfat) or ntfs-3g (if it's ntfs and recognize that the ntfs-3g
automatically uses the fuse system for you).
Indeed it is a permanently mounted drive (internal IDE) and it has been
mounted on /mnt since before /media became popular.
I'll try changing the type from fuse to ntfs tonight and see what that does.
The error message of permission denied leads me to think that this will not
solve the problem but hey, I've been wrong before...1982 I think it was... ;-D
I have to say though that I am really suprised that nobody on this list can
give a simple answer to the seemingly simple question of how do I change the
mount point of a hard drive.
Say what? Linux didn't have the ability to read/write to ntfs
filesystems before udev so there's something wrong with your premise.
Craig
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Re: mount question
Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 14:33 +, Steve wrote: Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 14:31 -0500, Steve wrote: Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 16:23 +, Steve wrote: If I let HAL friends automagically mount my Windows partition mount reports this: # mount ... /dev/sdb1 on /media/disk type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096) The problem is that I want this partition mounted on /mnt/c_drive not /media/disk so I tried to add a line to /etc/fstab as follows: /dev/sdb1/mnt/c_drive fuserw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0 (I started with a type of fuseblk instead of fuse but that didn't work at all and note that fuse is not documented in the mount man page) but then as root # mount /dev/sdb1 /bin/sh: /dev/sdb1: Permission denied # ls -l /dev/sdb1 brw-r- 1 root disk 8, 17 2009-01-12 13:24 /dev/sdb1 It's not a selinux problem because I'm running in permissive mode: # sestatus SELinux status: enabled SELinuxfs mount:/selinux Current mode: permissive Mode from config file: permissive Policy version: 23 Policy from config file:targeted This is on an F8 system and I'm trying to get my backup to work so I can upgrade to F9. What am I doing wrong here? perhaps you are just trying to use too much muscle Perhaps I am but personally I don't consider editing /etc/fstab to be heavy lifting. why not just let it mount like it does and use a bind mount elsewhere... mount --bind /media/disk /mnt/c_drive I've no doubt that this will work but there HAS to be a simple way to mount a partition where I want directly. It juts seems so basic. The problem you have is that you are starting with a swimming upstream premise. USB storage is considered 'removable storage' and thus is typically handled by udev as user - which sort of makes sense if you stop to consider it. The 'user' can mount/unmount removable storage devices at any time. /mnt was never intended to be for anything but permanently mounted filesystems, i.e. not removable - no user action required or reasonably permitted. Now if this 'windows filesystem' (and you don't specify what kind it is), is to be mounted by root at boot and remain mounted without any user interaction at all, then by all means add it to /etc/fstab as vfat (if it's vfat) or ntfs-3g (if it's ntfs and recognize that the ntfs-3g automatically uses the fuse system for you). Indeed it is a permanently mounted drive (internal IDE) and it has been mounted on /mnt since before /media became popular. I'll try changing the type from fuse to ntfs tonight and see what that does. The error message of permission denied leads me to think that this will not solve the problem but hey, I've been wrong before...1982 I think it was... ;-D I have to say though that I am really suprised that nobody on this list can give a simple answer to the seemingly simple question of how do I change the mount point of a hard drive. Say what? Linux didn't have the ability to read/write to ntfs filesystems before udev so there's something wrong with your premise. Not true. The ntfs module could be compiled with write abilities in RH9. It wasn't _reliable_ but it was there, and it didn't use udev. udev really doesn't have anything to do with filesystems other than potentially triggering a mount command. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ri...@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - If it's stupid and it works...it ain't stupid! - -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mount question
On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 09:18 -0800, Rick Stevens wrote: Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 14:33 +, Steve wrote: I'll try changing the type from fuse to ntfs tonight and see what that does. The error message of permission denied leads me to think that this will not solve the problem but hey, I've been wrong before...1982 I think it was... ;-D I have to say though that I am really suprised that nobody on this list can give a simple answer to the seemingly simple question of how do I change the mount point of a hard drive. Say what? Linux didn't have the ability to read/write to ntfs filesystems before udev so there's something wrong with your premise. Not true. The ntfs module could be compiled with write abilities in RH9. It wasn't _reliable_ but it was there, and it didn't use udev. udev really doesn't have anything to do with filesystems other than potentially triggering a mount command. you're right...the ability to mount ntfs r/w was indeed available way back but the admonitions were clear that by doing so would likely damage the filesystem. That sort of made a non-option. I agree with the OP that it probably should mount an internal IDE drive somewhere other than /media but I suspect that he originally mounted it as a user and that's where it appears. The man pages for ntfs-3g and if needed, http://ntfs-3g.org/support.html should be all he needs to get it to mount where his heart desires. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mount question
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: Not true. The ntfs module could be compiled with write abilities in RH9. It wasn't _reliable_ but it was there, and it didn't use udev. udev really doesn't have anything to do with filesystems other than potentially triggering a mount command. you're right...the ability to mount ntfs r/w was indeed available way back but the admonitions were clear that by doing so would likely damage the filesystem. That sort of made a non-option. I agree with the OP that it probably should mount an internal IDE drive somewhere other than /media but I suspect that he originally mounted it as a user and that's where it appears. The man pages for ntfs-3g and if needed, http://ntfs-3g.org/support.html should be all he needs to get it to mount where his heart desires. Craig My understanding is that in /media the OS expects to find removable media such as usb drives. The /mnt mount point is for nfs and local filesystems. Those mount points are sort of designated places for specific filesystems. Please shed some light if I'm wrong. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mount question
On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 12:27 -0800, Aldo Foot wrote: My understanding is that in /media the OS expects to find removable media such as usb drives. The /mnt mount point is for nfs and local filesystems. Those mount points are sort of designated places for specific filesystems. More like, /media is used by one of the automounting systems. It doesn't look in /media, and finding something in it mounts it. It puts things in it, when the hardware is noticed. /mnt was traditionally for mounting something onto it. i.e. One thing mounted on /mnt, rather than things mounted on subdirectories in it. However, since the automounters don't look in it, it's safe to use for personal customisation in (almost) whatever way you want to. I disclaim that, slightly, since some people will do daft things. You can also create other mount points directly off the root. And since the automounter won't be playing with them, you won't have problems with it. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.9-73.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
mount question
If I let HAL friends automagically mount my Windows partition mount reports this: # mount ... /dev/sdb1 on /media/disk type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096) The problem is that I want this partition mounted on /mnt/c_drive not /media/disk so I tried to add a line to /etc/fstab as follows: /dev/sdb1/mnt/c_drive fuse rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0 (I started with a type of fuseblk instead of fuse but that didn't work at all and note that fuse is not documented in the mount man page) but then as root # mount /dev/sdb1 /bin/sh: /dev/sdb1: Permission denied # ls -l /dev/sdb1 brw-r- 1 root disk 8, 17 2009-01-12 13:24 /dev/sdb1 It's not a selinux problem because I'm running in permissive mode: # sestatus SELinux status: enabled SELinuxfs mount:/selinux Current mode: permissive Mode from config file: permissive Policy version: 23 Policy from config file:targeted This is on an F8 system and I'm trying to get my backup to work so I can upgrade to F9. What am I doing wrong here? Thanks, Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mount question
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 16:23 +, Steve wrote: If I let HAL friends automagically mount my Windows partition mount reports this: # mount ... /dev/sdb1 on /media/disk type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096) The problem is that I want this partition mounted on /mnt/c_drive not /media/disk so I tried to add a line to /etc/fstab as follows: /dev/sdb1/mnt/c_drive fuse rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0 (I started with a type of fuseblk instead of fuse but that didn't work at all and note that fuse is not documented in the mount man page) but then as root # mount /dev/sdb1 /bin/sh: /dev/sdb1: Permission denied # ls -l /dev/sdb1 brw-r- 1 root disk 8, 17 2009-01-12 13:24 /dev/sdb1 It's not a selinux problem because I'm running in permissive mode: # sestatus SELinux status: enabled SELinuxfs mount:/selinux Current mode: permissive Mode from config file: permissive Policy version: 23 Policy from config file:targeted This is on an F8 system and I'm trying to get my backup to work so I can upgrade to F9. What am I doing wrong here? perhaps you are just trying to use too much muscle why not just let it mount like it does and use a bind mount elsewhere... mount --bind /media/disk /mnt/c_drive Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mount question
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.comwrote: On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 16:23 +, Steve wrote: If I let HAL friends automagically mount my Windows partition mount reports this: # mount ... /dev/sdb1 on /media/disk type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096) The problem is that I want this partition mounted on /mnt/c_drive not /media/disk so I tried to add a line to /etc/fstab as follows: /dev/sdb1/mnt/c_drive fuse rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0 (I started with a type of fuseblk instead of fuse but that didn't work at all and note that fuse is not documented in the mount man page) but then as root # mount /dev/sdb1 /bin/sh: /dev/sdb1: Permission denied # ls -l /dev/sdb1 brw-r- 1 root disk 8, 17 2009-01-12 13:24 /dev/sdb1 It's not a selinux problem because I'm running in permissive mode: # sestatus SELinux status: enabled SELinuxfs mount:/selinux Current mode: permissive Mode from config file: permissive Policy version: 23 Policy from config file:targeted This is on an F8 system and I'm trying to get my backup to work so I can upgrade to F9. What am I doing wrong here? perhaps you are just trying to use too much muscle why not just let it mount like it does and use a bind mount elsewhere... mount --bind /media/disk /mnt/c_drive Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Hi Steve, I think that this issue has been discussed in prior releases of Fedorayou can scan the archives for more detailed information. If my memory serves me correctly, I think that the initial part of fstab for static devices is preserved and you should put your entries there. The non-static devices are added/appended to the end of fstab and upon reboot and any entries added to that portion will be flushed. When mounting windows partitions in prior installs of Fedora I would put them immediately after the logvol entries and thereafter had no problems. This should work for you with FC8. I hope that this is of some assistance to you. Regarding fuse partitions I am sorry that I have no experience to offer to you in this area. Fennix -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mount question
Fennix cn.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.comwrote: On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 16:23 +, Steve wrote: If I let HAL friends automagically mount my Windows partition mount reports this: # mount ... /dev/sdb1 on /media/disk type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096) The problem is that I want this partition mounted on /mnt/c_drive not /media/disk so I tried to add a line to /etc/fstab as follows: /dev/sdb1/mnt/c_drive fuse rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0 (I started with a type of fuseblk instead of fuse but that didn't work at all and note that fuse is not documented in the mount man page) but then as root # mount /dev/sdb1 /bin/sh: /dev/sdb1: Permission denied # ls -l /dev/sdb1 brw-r- 1 root disk 8, 17 2009-01-12 13:24 /dev/sdb1 It's not a selinux problem because I'm running in permissive mode: # sestatus SELinux status: enabled SELinuxfs mount:/selinux Current mode: permissive Mode from config file: permissive Policy version: 23 Policy from config file:targeted This is on an F8 system and I'm trying to get my backup to work so I can upgrade to F9. What am I doing wrong here? perhaps you are just trying to use too much muscle why not just let it mount like it does and use a bind mount elsewhere... mount --bind /media/disk /mnt/c_drive Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Hi Steve, I think that this issue has been discussed in prior releases of Fedorayou can scan the archives for more detailed information. If my memory serves me correctly, I think that the initial part of fstab for static devices is preserved and you should put your entries there. The non-static devices are added/appended to the end of fstab and upon reboot and any entries added to that portion will be flushed. When mounting windows partitions in prior installs of Fedora I would put them immediately after the logvol entries and thereafter had no problems. This should work for you with FC8. I hope that this is of some assistance to you. Regarding fuse partitions I am sorry that I have no experience to offer to you in this area. Fennix Do you have any keywords beside fstab and mount that I can search for? There are too may hits in the archive on either of these words. I don't see any mention of this kind of different behaviour or split in fstab in any od the fstab documentation. Is it documented anywhere ele? I'll try your suggestion and move the line higher up in fstab this evening. Thanks, Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mount question
Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 16:23 +, Steve wrote: If I let HAL friends automagically mount my Windows partition mount reports this: # mount ... /dev/sdb1 on /media/disk type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096) The problem is that I want this partition mounted on /mnt/c_drive not /media/disk so I tried to add a line to /etc/fstab as follows: /dev/sdb1/mnt/c_drive fuse rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0 (I started with a type of fuseblk instead of fuse but that didn't work at all and note that fuse is not documented in the mount man page) but then as root # mount /dev/sdb1 /bin/sh: /dev/sdb1: Permission denied # ls -l /dev/sdb1 brw-r- 1 root disk 8, 17 2009-01-12 13:24 /dev/sdb1 It's not a selinux problem because I'm running in permissive mode: # sestatus SELinux status: enabled SELinuxfs mount:/selinux Current mode: permissive Mode from config file: permissive Policy version: 23 Policy from config file:targeted This is on an F8 system and I'm trying to get my backup to work so I can upgrade to F9. What am I doing wrong here? perhaps you are just trying to use too much muscle Perhaps I am but personally I don't consider editing /etc/fstab to be heavy lifting. why not just let it mount like it does and use a bind mount elsewhere... mount --bind /media/disk /mnt/c_drive I've no doubt that this will work but there HAS to be a simple way to mount a partition where I want directly. It juts seems so basic. Steve. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mount question
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 14:31 -0500, Steve wrote: Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 16:23 +, Steve wrote: If I let HAL friends automagically mount my Windows partition mount reports this: # mount ... /dev/sdb1 on /media/disk type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096) The problem is that I want this partition mounted on /mnt/c_drive not /media/disk so I tried to add a line to /etc/fstab as follows: /dev/sdb1/mnt/c_drive fuse rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0 (I started with a type of fuseblk instead of fuse but that didn't work at all and note that fuse is not documented in the mount man page) but then as root # mount /dev/sdb1 /bin/sh: /dev/sdb1: Permission denied # ls -l /dev/sdb1 brw-r- 1 root disk 8, 17 2009-01-12 13:24 /dev/sdb1 It's not a selinux problem because I'm running in permissive mode: # sestatus SELinux status: enabled SELinuxfs mount:/selinux Current mode: permissive Mode from config file: permissive Policy version: 23 Policy from config file:targeted This is on an F8 system and I'm trying to get my backup to work so I can upgrade to F9. What am I doing wrong here? perhaps you are just trying to use too much muscle Perhaps I am but personally I don't consider editing /etc/fstab to be heavy lifting. why not just let it mount like it does and use a bind mount elsewhere... mount --bind /media/disk /mnt/c_drive I've no doubt that this will work but there HAS to be a simple way to mount a partition where I want directly. It juts seems so basic. The problem you have is that you are starting with a swimming upstream premise. USB storage is considered 'removable storage' and thus is typically handled by udev as user - which sort of makes sense if you stop to consider it. The 'user' can mount/unmount removable storage devices at any time. /mnt was never intended to be for anything but permanently mounted filesystems, i.e. not removable - no user action required or reasonably permitted. Now if this 'windows filesystem' (and you don't specify what kind it is), is to be mounted by root at boot and remain mounted without any user interaction at all, then by all means add it to /etc/fstab as vfat (if it's vfat) or ntfs-3g (if it's ntfs and recognize that the ntfs-3g automatically uses the fuse system for you). man ntfs-3g But really, it's much simpler to just bind mount... Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
