Re: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview.
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What should we do to make Fedora more Newby-friendly? Damn you... now I can't actually start the interview off with that. You have KILLED my introduction. To make up for that, I demand that you help me figure out how to take in community questions and rank them in a way that makes sense. Use Digg. Everyone says you should use a Digg-style interface. What better interface than Digg itself? Every one in Fedora should have a Digg account anyway. --g -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone says you should use a Digg-style interface. What better interface than Digg itself? Every one in Fedora should have a Digg account anyway. What if I told you that I don't have a digg account? Would you think less of me? So basically have everyone post a different potential question at a different url somewhere on the net that other people have to randomly discover it and then digg them. Sure okay...but Digg doesn't support tagging does it? I can keyword search, but does that really let me reach into digg and make sure I collect all the questions? And Digg specifically states that if the article doesn't fit one of the pre-defined topics..it shouldn't be submitted. I think its a stretch to use digg for this. -jef -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview.
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: And Digg specifically states that if the article doesn't fit one of the pre-defined topics..it shouldn't be submitted. I think its a stretch to use digg for this. Maybe it's quick and dirty, but no question it would mostly work. If people actually care enough to ask questions and vote on those questions, which is by no means guaranteed. You could consider setting up a Pligg instance, of course. If you want a tool to solicit comments and vote them up/down, there are accepted open source solutions. The question: do we have the desire/bandwidth to implement them? Will there be enough instances of this type of problem to warrant the investment of time in solving the general case? --g -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview.
Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone says you should use a Digg-style interface. What better interface than Digg itself? Every one in Fedora should have a Digg account anyway. What if I told you that I don't have a digg account? Would you think less of me? Would that be possible to use the Fedora vote system ? I could see a list of question where people have to rate from 0 to X... Just my 2 cents, Pierre -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview.
2008/7/17 Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Sankarshan (সঙ্কর্ষণ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about asking what stuff they'd like to see in Fedora in terms of internal engineering bits ? ;) Or, the very usual 'why did you end up choosing Fedora ?' Let me stress. The point of this email is to ask this list how to compile a list of questions... not what questions to ask. Jef, My opinion is not to ask questions based on their popularity but on what will make the best interview. I know that's actually out of line with Fedora's whole approach to things, but it's adding a whole extra layer of complexity that won't necessarily lead to a better end-product. In the past I've run interviews where I've invited people to send in their questions and then just used the best of those, and ordered them in the way that makes it the most interesting for the audience and also causes the interview to make sense. This worked well. Having some flow from question to question is, I think, important. I am also not that keen on sites like Digg etc, as I believe they can lead to a lowest common denominator situation, something you definitely don't want for an interesting interview! Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview.
I believe the Slashdot way is to solicit as much question as possible from the community, and then rank it up so that only questions that are relevant and strings of question can flow nicely. Nearly identical question can be tweaked and merged to become a single question. Other unrelated question may be stored in some kind of question bank, and used again next time if we want to interview other people (eg. Formula One system engineer) On 7/17/08, Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I have the ear of a certain Dr. Gregory B. Newby concerning the use of Fedora and scientific computing. Dr. Newby is currently the Chief Scientist at the Arctic Region Supercomputing Center here at UAF which is how I found him and why I'm most interested in talking to him. ARSC makes heavy use of Fedora as a platform and I think we should spent time talking with an expert in the field of scientific research computing about how we can better match Fedora and this community for overall social benefit and better science. It's nice that we know that the biggest, baddest computer in the world uses Fedora. But there's a deeper conversation that needs to be had about turning this sub-community of users into an organized sub-community of active contributors within the Fedora tent. Everyone here should take a moment and read his bio: http://people.arsc.edu/~newby/bio.txt It's a fascinating read, and there's more... much morethere to think about talking to him about from the Fedora project perspective. Here's what I'd like to do. I'd like to compile a list of questions taken from the community to ask him and them I'm going to hold a somewhat longish video and chop it up into segments based on general subject matter. But how do i compile that list of questions? I'd prefer a list to be somewhat rank ordered so I make sure I ask him some of the most popular questions. Though I plan to reserve the right to things not highly rated as well. Suggestions on how to compile the list of questions and get it somewhat ordered by popularity? Obviously this is very much like how slashdot does its Q/A threads using slashdot karma to vote for questions...but we don't have that. Is there something else floating around out there that I can setup and drive people to? I'm asking in marketing because once we figure out how to do it, we can run other interviews with other experts in other areas using the same mechanism... so its in this group's best interest in helping me setup a process we can re-use. -jef -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview.
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 09:24 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: 2008/7/17 Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Sankarshan (সঙ্কর্ষণ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about asking what stuff they'd like to see in Fedora in terms of internal engineering bits ? ;) Or, the very usual 'why did you end up choosing Fedora ?' Let me stress. The point of this email is to ask this list how to compile a list of questions... not what questions to ask. Jef, My opinion is not to ask questions based on their popularity but on what will make the best interview. I know that's actually out of line with Fedora's whole approach to things, but it's adding a whole extra layer of complexity that won't necessarily lead to a better end-product. In the past I've run interviews where I've invited people to send in their questions and then just used the best of those, and ordered them in the way that makes it the most interesting for the audience and also causes the interview to make sense. This worked well. Having some flow from question to question is, I think, important. I am also not that keen on sites like Digg etc, as I believe they can lead to a lowest common denominator situation, something you definitely don't want for an interesting interview! Hear, hear. At some point, the process overwhelms the actual goal, and you spend more time on the process than actually accomplishing anything. If something occurs to you during the interview, do you plan to put the interview on hold, come back to the community for more processing, and then return to the interview subject? I'd hope not. Write a list of questions with topics that make sense to you. Turn that into a conversation if it helps elicit interesting information. I assume that if you ask questions and get answers once, the door will not be shut on you forevermore at that point. (You have had your three wishes, no begone!) -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Supreme Court in Brazil is beggining to look to Open Source
as I already told you, GOOD WORK, and lets keep up spreading FEDORA ACROSS DE GLOBE :D -- Lucas do Amaral, Tranee de Gestor de TI do Projeto UAB/CEFETCE Tranee de Administrador de Redes do CEFETCE Embaixador do Projeto Fedora no Ceará 2008/7/16 Junior Tomazelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Good Work. :D -- Wolnei Cândido Tomazelli Junior (Charged) Embaixador do Fedora Designer e Consultor de TI E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Reminder: Fedora marketing meeting today
Hey all. Fedora marketing meeting today. WHERE: irc.freenode.net, #fedora-mktg WHEN: 1900 UTC (3pm Eastern US time) WHAT: Agenda at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks Time for me to write a script that does this. ;) --g -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
July 17th Marketing meeting log tasklist
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks see attached .log file for what went on -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) Jul 17 14:03:42 gregdek http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks Jul 17 14:03:44 gregdek AGENDA! Jul 17 14:03:47 gregdek But first... Jul 17 14:03:50 gregdek ROLL CALL! Jul 17 14:03:53 * stickster is here! Jul 17 14:03:58 tw2113 MichaelBeckwith Jul 17 14:03:59 JonRob Jonathan Roberts Jul 17 14:04:00 lcafiero --- presente Jul 17 14:04:03 ke4qqq DavidNalley Jul 17 14:04:09 tw2113 i can pay attention today, and i have no dayjob to get to :D Jul 17 14:04:09 lcafiero Larry Cafiero Jul 17 14:04:20 wonderer1 HenrikHeigl Jul 17 14:04:29 gregdek Wow. Jul 17 14:04:35 gregdek A lot of folks today! Jul 17 14:05:05 gregdek All right. Jul 17 14:05:17 gregdek There are really only two concrete items on today's agenda. Jul 17 14:05:29 gregdek mizmo-out: are you about? Jul 17 14:06:23 gregdek I'm guessing the -out means no. :) Jul 17 14:06:39 gregdek Which means we can talk at length about video... Jul 17 14:06:46 tw2113 she may have just forgotten to change it, we'll find out Jul 17 14:06:49 gregdek ...and whatever else someone wants to put on the agenda. Jul 17 14:06:56 JonRob ahh... Jul 17 14:06:59 * JonRob looks guilty Jul 17 14:07:03 gregdek So. VIDEO! Jul 17 14:07:11 gregdek JonRob: why so guilty? ;) Jul 17 14:07:22 JonRob i haven't really made any progress this week Jul 17 14:07:29 JonRob besides putting some new content in the channel Jul 17 14:07:37 gregdek Well, that's progress, isn't it? Jul 17 14:07:41 JonRob some :) Jul 17 14:08:15 JonRob one thing i'd like to point out, though this isn't solvable immediately, is we *need* a good editor Jul 17 14:08:20 JonRob video editor that is Jul 17 14:08:30 gregdek Which is a problem that we've tried to work on multiple fronts... Jul 17 14:08:32 stickster Yup, noted Jul 17 14:08:41 gregdek ...and is beyond the scope of this meeting, in a way. Jul 17 14:08:41 JonRob what approaches are we taking to this? Jul 17 14:08:57 stickster Why don't we save the editor problem for an AOB item? Jul 17 14:09:03 JonRob sure Jul 17 14:09:11 JonRob it's something i'd like to help out with if i can Jul 17 14:09:15 gregdek Well, that's basically all we've got, is AOB. Jul 17 14:09:16 JonRob so would be good to see what's going on now Jul 17 14:09:18 stickster ha Jul 17 14:09:35 JonRob ooo Jul 17 14:09:37 JonRob actually Jul 17 14:09:38 JonRob i have one Jul 17 14:09:38 stickster gregdek: Now you've derailed my plan to talk about *my* AOB Jul 17 14:09:40 stickster :-D Jul 17 14:09:47 gregdek Ha! Jul 17 14:09:51 JonRob (something un-video related for aob) Jul 17 14:09:52 * stickster gets back in line Jul 17 14:09:59 gregdek Well, frankly, we've been talking video for weeks now. Jul 17 14:10:11 gregdek And I think it's well-known where we're going. Jul 17 14:10:20 stickster Hell, if we don't change our ways. Jul 17 14:10:27 gregdek So maybe we should just move directly to AOB, unless someone has an objection. Jul 17 14:10:36 * gregdek thumps stickster with his gavel. Jul 17 14:11:58 gregdek No objection? Jul 17 14:12:05 JonRob no objection Jul 17 14:12:06 gregdek Then let's open the floor! Jul 17 14:12:07 -- rharrison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/cisco/x-636d302e6b52d25e) has joined #fedora-mktg Jul 17 14:12:10 stickster +1 AOB Jul 17 14:12:56 JonRob stickster, you had something? Jul 17 14:13:00 stickster Sure. Jul 17 14:13:16 stickster I wanted to revive a topic that we put aside for F9 due to the lateness of the hour (date). Jul 17 14:13:33 stickster It was an offshoot of the SSS (which is owned by Docs). Jul 17 14:13:51 stickster mizmo-out had been wanting to do a better marketing campaign through our own front page Jul 17 14:13:51 -- Sonar_Guy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/sonarguy) has joined #fedora-mktg Jul 17 14:14:01 stickster viz. http://www.gnome.org/ Jul 17 14:14:15 stickster We're in a perfect time to do this now, 3.5 months before release. Jul 17 14:14:41 stickster Now, this is clearly a Websites project from the execution standpoint. Jul 17 14:14:45 JonRob ah yes... Jul 17 14:15:09 stickster But I wanted to bring it up here just to find out if there is anything Marketing can lend to that effort. Jul 17 14:15:25 stickster (and because the idea happened here ~3 months ago) Jul 17 14:15:42 JonRob so what was it specifically mizmo-out had in mind? Jul 17 14:15:52 JonRob because we've now integrated the banner into the front page Jul 17 14:16:48 rharrison Well there's the obvious content which would need to go with the better design. Jul 17 14:17:01 -- inode0 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/inode0) has joined #fedora-mktg Jul 17 14:17:51 stickster JonRob: I think part of it was human-readable release notes Jul 17 14:17:58 stickster (i.e. the Wow! pages) Jul 17 14:18:13 JonRob stickster: that's what i've tried to do with the summaries Jul 17 14:18:20 JonRob me and rahul Jul 17 14:18:23 JonRob the trouble is Jul 17
I/F/V out, 4 Fedora Foundations in!
In today's Marketing meeting[1], we talked about the mixed message between infinity / freedom / voice (let's call it IFV) and the newer four foundations, friends / freedom / features / first. The IFV was, and remains, a great message. It's how we got our logo. It helped us solidify our ideas about Fedora, and out if it came the design. Then it helped us sell the design. Now the logo, and our brand, if you will, seems pretty pervasive. We don't have to work hard to identify Fedora with its logo. But the new four foundations, which we developed earlier this year, need to firmly take their place as our new, consistent message. One of the things that would help would be some new poster artwork that would explain the 4 foundations the way that Mo Duffy's posters exaplained IFV. We might be able to just adapt the existing posters, because they are simple, eye-catching, and right to the point. We'd just alter the text a little. Or someone might have an idea for a new design, that would still complement our Web design. I'm going to put this request in the Artwork queue. Does anyone have specific ideas about other collateral that we want for Fedora 10? = = = [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-July/msg00141.html -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: I/F/V out, 4 Fedora Foundations in!
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: Or someone might have an idea for a new design, that would still complement our Web design. I'm going to put this request in the Artwork queue. Does anyone have specific ideas about other collateral that we want for Fedora 10? Create a logo guideline that specifies where the Four Foundations should be located beside a Fedora logo. Or, firmly decide that the message should always be outside the clearspace definition. Push the foundations on *everything* we make. Media, website, possibly even anaconda? Maybe I'm stretching. And, I'm going to push this again... I feel that we should hold off on changing too many images and things to have the Four Foundations until the F10 release. -- Ian Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet. ~ Douglas Adams -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
