List of Planet content for FI
Hey, So, reviewing Planet for the last few days has revealed to me just how much valuable content people are posting there, and the potentially huge amount of material that could be appropriate for FI in one form or another. Has much thought been given to the kind of content that should be posted to FI? If not, it might be time to do so :) Some of the posts below, for instance, are full blown how tos, or could easily be developed into instructions on how to use Fedora to achieve something, while others are short advisories that are almost certainly useful for the whole of the Fedora community, incl. those who don't read Planet. Others still are mentions of events or activities that deserve write ups to reveal the vivacity of the community... the final category of posts, at least as I'm describing it, are more commentary on wider issues not directly related to Fedora but linked closely to the spirit of the project and have an indirect impact. Maybe a number of topic feeds, or a highlights feed, might be needed at some point? Many may be considered not appropriate, but I thought as a starting point for discussion, the posts below all represent potential for one kind of post or another. I'll continue monitoring, but noticed my list had grown rather long so thought I'd pass it along now for refinement, discussion and direction for further curation. Cheers, Jon p.s. sorry for the lack of links... got a little lazy. - Ding Yi-Chen makes further comments on i18n and package management - feel these would be suitable for a post once the work is complete. Michael DeHaan writes to inform that Cobbler 2.0 has just been released, as well as a set of instructions to describe how to set up a computer lab in a particular set of restricted conditions. David Lutterkort writes about new technology to facilitate network management in VMs, as well as mentioning the Virtualisation test day. Til Maas wrote a short but informative piece about the `Not ready' tag for packagers. John Poelstra wrote a good piece about mind mapping with Freemind on Fedora. Ria Das wrote an introduction to IRC, including how to install and use XChat on various platforms. Fabian Affolter wrote about the up coming OpenExpo conference in Switzerland, 24th to 25th September. Would be good to get a write up. Ding Yi-Chen writes about upcoming work to develop i18n package management. Scot Williams writes about a presentation he gave at the LiLAX LUG. Maria Leandro has posted a series of photos edited in GIMP, along with details of the edits she made. Possibility to have a piece about GIMP and photo editing on Fedora. Nicu Buculei writes about Google's Data Liberation Front. Not necessarily a piece in itself, but it might make for an interesting op-ed piece, about freedom, cloud computing and data security (perhaps focussed around trust) Luya Tshimbalanga writes the new libxml2 in test and Rawhide breaks Inkscape. Adam Williamson writes to announce the PulseAudio Test day on Wednesday 16th. Would be good to get a write up. Kulbir Saini writes about how to setup a dual display with ATI Radeon (fglrx). Dan Walsh writes about the four key error messages given from SELinux. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: List of Planet content for FI
I'm also thinking that what Jon is talking about is more of hey, beyond them being on planet and summarized on FWN, we could develop this into full-blown marketing material (or documentation, as the case may be) Heh, yes exactly... I replied earlier saying: I think the intention isn't so much to list what was on Planet, but instead to find material that would be suitable for further development as a feature on FI... But I'm too clueless to remember to send it from the correct e-mail address. But what you've said, and now I, I think represents the spirit communicated to me in the meeting. Cheers, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: F12 talking points are out!
Reading the talking points should get someone who's *not* necessarily already a member of the Fedora community excited. (This is something that I think the talking points could still use some help with; which ones are unclear? Which ones don't get you as excited yet?) Please take a look at the talking points and think about how you'd like to use them for F12 outreach - Are these intended for use in press material, or perhaps as the base for other press materials? If so, what steps are needed to create material that we can start putting out to editors? I think that many places like to get story information as *early* as possible as it makes their lives a lot easier, less stressful. Cheers, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Please Help: Voice Wanted!
In response to Mel's awesome e-mail, if anybody is interested in helping me with some podcast interviews, particularly anyone who isn't so shy about hearing their own voice, then get in touch. I'm currently preparing an interview with the infrastructure team, working on getting a time together right now, so the next few steps for me are: a) finalise some times b) get some great questions put together c) record it d) edit/transcribe it e) publish If anyone is interested in doing any of these, particularly c) and d) (I'll probably keep a) and e) for myself, would probably just get messy with more than one person doing those!), I would be very grateful :) Cheers, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
foobar name
My decision on the name, barring objections from News team, for the name would be Fedora Insight, based on the feedback on the wiki page -- I particularly like Ian's suggestion of a fi ligature of some kind as the logo... I've still to get any solid feedback from the news team, but Pascal has said he will attend tomorrow evening's meeting to discuss News' requirements. Perhaps even if we use the Fedora Insight name, it might be good to keep Weekly News' model and name as a title for a weekly feature - I guess that's all for discussion tomorrow evening. Cheers, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: foobar platform pre-decision
2009/7/15 Ian Weller i...@ianweller.org: At the meeting today there was general consensus to use Zikula for the Foobar project, mostly under the reasoning of kill two birds with one stone (Docs Project is also using Zikula) and upstream is awesome (Zikula devs are very responsive to the needs of Docs, and will be responsive to the needs of Marketing) HUGE +1 on this from me... all my experiences with news.fp.o suggest that working with other teams on a project like this is a must. The work to ensure that an application is acceptable to infra, e.g. safe and packaged etc, is not insignificant, neither is making sure that it is all configured to meet requirements. Basically, the more the merrier :) Jon We're leaving the subject open until next meeting unless there is a major blocker that isn't solved by that time. Flame away! -- Ian Weller i...@ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Self-Introduction: Martin Duffy
2009/7/14 Martin Duffy duf...@gmail.com: Hi everyone! My name is Martin, I'm from upstate New York, and my sister Mairin works for Red Hat and has gotten me into Fedora and open source software in general over the past few years. I finished grad school about a year ago studying English/writing, and currently I'm volunteering in an Americorps program with the Red Cross as my day job. I'm hoping to contribute to Fedora marketing by writing copy, blogs, any kind of media content (podcasts, video, etc.), Hey, and welcome :) As someone who has copy writing experience, you might be interested in helping out with the production of a glossy one page release note. You can find out more in this thread: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-July/msg00056.html Of course, if that doesn't take your fancy, keep an eye on the list and meetings, and I'm sure something you want to help up with will pop up soon :) Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: The One Page Release Notes
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 02:59:02AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 07/14/2009 02:55 AM, Eric Christensen wrote: The Docs Team, at the FAD @ SELF, had an idea to create a one-page Release Notes for users that aren't as technical as some of our other users. This Release Notes would be something pretty, graphical, and would only contain high-level changes. I guess what we are looking for is something that is a composite of the tour and release overview to quote Paul (stickster). How is that different from the release summary we used to do before? How do we differentiate this from the more technical detailed release notes? I'm with Rahul here, this is almost exactly the idea of what we used to aim for with the Release Overview/Summary. There used to be lots of discussions about how best to create the Release Overview from the Release Notes without lots of duplication of effort across teams, and that's why the page Rahul linked looks like a repeated version of the Release Notes, because at that time we were experimenting with writing the two on a single page and then dividing the content out for different audiences. That didn't work particularly well, and certainly restarting the Release Overview/Summary with a clearer mission and method is a worthwhile goal, one I'd like to help with, though it wouldn't hurt to show a bit more knowledge and recognition of the work people did before... something that often seems to be lacking a bit in Fedora land! I've been guilty of this in the past, but I can now appreciate how trying it is to people who've worked on stuff. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: The One Page Release Notes
Jon, I don't think we were trying to say that someone wasn't doing their job in creating this documentation. We are simply saying that there may be a better way of doing these projects. I know that I've been asked where people can find a document much like I've explained here. The Docs Project is constantly looking how we can produce the Release Notes better and that we are getting the information out to our users in a better way. This idea is just one of those thoughts. I know I appreciate everything that everyone does for the Fedora Project. I wasn't suggesting that, simply that more recognition of work that's done before would sometimes go a long way, rather than dropping by and saying we have this great new idea... without showing any awareness of similar work that's been done before. A quick bit of Google searching shows enough to get a feel for what has come before. I know in the past this has made work I've done feel undervalued, and left me feeling very frustrated with the project as a whole. Not only would it prevent such feelings but it would also lead to better quality work, building on the shoulders of giants and all that... I'd like to emphasise as well that I'm almost certain that everyone in the project appreciates all the work done by other contributors, and I'm sure you're no different. Just a little more research before hand might go a long way. This, I guess, is just a bit of a hot button issue for me that I'm a little quick to react to... Like I said, and I'm sorry it's been pushed to the side, but I'd like to help with this effort, so please do keep us on the marketing list informed of what direction you push things. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: $foobar update
Some further updates on $foobar and News. It's worth noting that events have not fully unfolded yet, but with the meeting tomorrow night I wanted to give people plenty of advance information so things can go nice and smoothly :) The only concern really put forward from any member of the News team thus far is relating to work flow, but the same person who expressed these concerns was equally quick to express their belief that broader exposure, RSS etc are all good. WRT work flow, the concerns were being able to edit in plain text still, using vi or what not, having a weekly deadline to work towards for motivation, and the desire not to split each article of FWN into a separate WP/$CMS entry. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-news-list/2009-July/msg9.html You can see my response to this message linked below. Suffice to say that I largely sympathised with the concerns, and emphasised that the goal of this project is to find ways to make life easier for News, Marketing and anyone else who might be interested to get stuff done and to gain a larger readership/more coherent presence across the project. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-news-list/2009-July/msg00011.html Since that particular thread, a broader one has started on the News list in which the nature, processes and future of News are being discussed, and while these issues mostly focus on particulars of the News team, it might be interesting to note from the Marketing perspective that there is something of a consensus (perhaps overstating the case a little) that FWN is in itself a form of marketing, The outcome of that thread will be interesting to watch, and probably impact on the way they will be interested in collaborating on $foobar. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-news-list/2009-July/msg00013.html All that being said, there's not been any input from news on to the wiki (despite my gentle prodding), though I'm pleased to see that more design requirements and suggestions have rolled in from other areas of the project Please, put feedback and requirements on to the wiki, in any section, so Ian can make a decision soon on the platform we want to pursue!! I don't think we should necessarily block on News, as both Zikula and WP have a good plugin architecture that would probably allow us to work the system to their needs later... although maybe this is short sighted? Racing against the battery now, hope this was useful, see you all tomorrow. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
$foobar update
Damn, I thought I'd sent this earlier but it didn't make it to list 'cos I used the wrong email address!! After seeing the meeting logs, it seems like a) it's rubbish that I couldn't be there, and that b) ianweller has picked up some jobs Jack asked me to do while he was away Re: foobar. If he's happy, that's fine by me, but just to say that I'm certainly going to be in attendance at the Zikula meetings etc so can help out as needed, Jon -- Forwarded message -- From: Jonathan Roberts jonrob@googlemail.com Date: 2009/7/7 Subject: $foobar update To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com I can't make the meeting tonight, so I thought I better throw this out there now so that if the topic is reached, I won't be holding back progress! I've e-mailed the news list, and Pascal replied so positively that I've copied his reply in below: -- Hi Jon and all -- Its good to see that there is some traction with getting wordpress-mu going again for FWN and other content. I just read the Fedora Marketing meeting log, and count me in to help with work on this. The most obvious benefit we'll get is a graphical branded presence, and then syndication as well. I am not sure in this new format the extent to which the name Fedora Weekly News needs to be retained. In a sense the entire effort is going to be news on the project, right? OTOH, FWN does have name recognition, and it might help to identify sections of the site, since there are going to be content from all across the project. Most of the current sections of FWN will find sections of their own in the new format, I'd think. Certainly Ambassadors, Planet, Art/Design, Translation, Development. Dale's virtualization beat is a creation unto itself, covering several different areas. We'll hopefully be able to get content from other areas that aren't even represented. I think we should use this opportunity to fully commit FWN to this larger effort. News will gain a lot from a branded presence and we can all contribute to a larger goal. Perhaps the place to start is simply going through and determining what sections make sense in the new site, and where FWN could contribute content to these areas? - My suggestion was that we should move forward by trying to arrange a joint meeting between all effected and involved... so I'm thinking news, marketing, infrastructure and docs anybody I've missed? Ian, have you had a reply from the infra people yet about their side of things? Tomorrow evening there's a Zikula meeting that I'll be attending, and so we can consider that as a possibility on the infra side as well. I think it might be best to move these discussions out of the marketing list and onto the new logistics list at some point in the near future... at least partially. Hope this is helpful, and bon chance with this evenings meeting, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Help Wanted?
Good morning all, Just a little note to say that I've just handed in my final piece of work for this year, and am hoping to pick up little bits and pieces of Fedora stuff over the summer. I've been keeping tabs on what's going on, but wondered where help is most needed right now and how I can make myself most useful for the project again? Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora Activity Day at SCaLE 7x - getting the word out
2009/2/5 Karsten Wade kw...@redhat.com: We're going to be doing a Fedora Activity Day[1] at the Southern California Linux Expo (SCaLE) on 20 February, a Friday. The focus of the FAD is on Packaging (font packaging) and Docs (User Guide). http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_at_SCaLE_7x How can we get the word out to the wider community of folks within driving/travel distance of that event? -- Something I'd like to see get done from time to time is for this kind of information to get posted to Fedora Forum, so perhaps Rahul could help us out with that? The audience there is, I guess, a mix between new user and contributor (via helping others in the forum) and so may be ripe with people looking to get more involved. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Schedule
Hey, Just to give people a heads up that there's now a document on Gobby that is the basis for a marketing schedule, covering the F11 release period. It would be fantastic if people would drop over to it and make changes/updates etc, specifically add what you think is missing! Before Thursday's meeting I intend to start trying to add dates and priorities, but they'll probably be pretty random, so help there would also be appreciated. Pretty sure it's called something like F11 schedule. If you need instructions on accessing Gobby, see: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/GobbyHowTo Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora 11: What do we expect?
2009/2/1 Ashiqur Rahman Angel an...@linux.org.bd: Hi, It´s almost one year, I am with the Fedora community. In this one year, I met so many great people from Fedora community. I have visited hundreds of forums, mailing lists. I meet so many people who uses Fedora (also who doesn´t). I have learned so many things from them. Some of them are happy using Fedora and some them are not. And I think, as a community member, it´s my responsibility to inform you guys about some issues that I think, why people doesnt like to use Fedora or switching to other distros. And something, that we need to fix. You'd probably be far better off discussing this on fedora-devel-l...@redhat.com Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: expand the user base by ... pointing people in the right direction?
[or, if anyone has a pointer -- help docs? a mailing list? an IRC channel? a wiki page? :) ... I can try an @reply to this person .. .] Would suggest pointing them to: http://fedoraproject.org/get-help Or if you want to point them straight at IRC: #fedora on irc.freenode.org Or if straight at a mailing list: fedora-l...@redhat.com Thoughts? I'm not really on many social networks like Twitter, kind of surprised people use them to discuss stuff like Fedora in 100 and something characters! I'd hope that anyone who uses them and sees something like this would do exactly what you've just done and try to point them in the right direction, not sure there's anyway we can formalise this. Unless someone wants to do something like start monitoring #tags? Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Alpha Release Readiness
2009/1/22 Jack Aboutboul j...@redhat.com: If no one else on the marketing team minds, I would like to be there. That is not to say that I take that right exclusively, but I would like to be one of the participants. I've been doing it in the past, but I'm more than happy for you to do it! Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Meeting this thursday?
Is there a meeting this Thursday? Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Hackfest/time based plan
Hey, Did this meeting happen? Apologies for not making it myself, but was away from internet access for the holidays. Would be interested to see the results if it did. Cheers, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Press Archive
Re: my other e-mail, one of the items I mentioned was that we should archive press coverage not just on the mailing list but also on the wiki. Just took a quick look and remembered we already have this in place: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive It's divided into releases, although there is nothing there for F10 yet. (I remember doing F9 after the fact, and it was painful experience, much better to just keep updated as we go along). So here is a plea, to anyone who has press pieces to share with this list, please also take a moment to bookmark the above link and document it on the wiki too. Cheers, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Moving the marketing team forward
Moving Fedora Marketing Forwards I've been way out of the Fedora loop lately, but I wanted to try and get some thoughts down that might provoke some conversations about what the marketing team should be doing, how we work, and how we can become more effective in the future. Apologies if no one finds this long winded rant useful. I hope that people might be interested in holding a meeting dedicated to some of these issues and planning for the Fedora 11 release cycle in the near future, but I think the mailing list is probably the most accessible place to bring plenty of people in on the conversation. I hope in the near future to try and pick up some of these things myself, especially considering I have two out of the next four weeks where my time will be much more my own. What the team does now -- As things stand, it seems to me that the main activities related to marketing Fedora are: * FPL's release interviews * Ambassadors events * Documenting media coverage on the mailing list * Occassional developer interviews * Occassional blog posts articles pimping features/community * Responding to and correcting articles that are inaccurate Re: Fedora Of these, the marketing team, as a *team* are responsible for 3 (although this is largely done by Rahul) and now 6. Red Hat PR are responsible for 1 and for the most part 5. Correct me if I'm wrong here. How the team works now -- We largely co-ordinate via the mailing list, with sometimes weekly meetings that track the task list closely. Conclusions --- Seems like we could be doing a lot more as a team. How can we improve? --- * We made a marketing plan this year, it establishes what we want to be promoting and what we think the project is about * We should create a *time based* marketing plan that ensures we have things to be doing, promoting, throughout the release cycle * We need to do this asap to make sure that we have lots prepared for the F11 release cycle * We need to work closer with Red Hat PR. * Not sure how this can work better, but a lot of stuff seems to happen that no one outside RH ever realises. (Correct me if I'm wrong) * Have no idea if RH PR take advantage of work that the community does, is our work just going to waste? * We need to work closer with the board, and all other parts of the project, to ensure that we're actually representing what people believe they're doing. * Related to this, we should be working with websites and docs to shepherd the content on the static pages * We should record media coverage of Fedora on the wiki instead of just on the mailing list. Make a good historical archive and provide us with the opportunity to better track how Fedora is perceived outside of our own community across releases. * Could even make a good static page and promotional material. On the front page, Read what people are saying about Fedora. Click here. * We should create a central location for people to come and learn about what's happening in Fedora and our wider community * I still believe that a Fedora Magazine style project is the best way to do this * We should consider establishing a more formal organisation for the project, as well as thinking about how to make the best use of meeting time. * Having been out of the loop, I'm not really qualified to comment on the current state here, but that aside I beleive: * Meetings should be less about tracking progress (this is easily done *quickly* on the mailing list) * Meetings should be much more about exploring new tasks that we want to persue, goals, ways to achieve these. Notes - I also believe that it may be worth reassesing our marketing priorities. Our attempts to present Fedora as the innovative distribution, claiming credit for features that our community creates and pushes upstream first seemed to be successful this time last year; now the same features that I thought we'd successfully gained recognition for as created in Fedora are being attributed to other distributions as they integrate it, without even acknowledging that Fedora has feature parity. I don't know if this is our failing or whether this is just the result of the internet being full of people who have easy access to a large audience and don't even bother to thoroughly research what they're going to say. It begs the question, however, if promoting Fedora as a distribution based on the features it contains is the right thing to be doing. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [FW: Some questions for an editorial piece on Neowin.net]
Can you tell me what new features users could see in the next release, Fedora 11? As Paul said, new features appear at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/#/FeatureList. Probably worth noting that features for F11 won't start appearing until post Fedora 10. Might also be worth noting, as was said on FAB earlier today, that F10 and F11 are planned to form the base of RHEL 6 and as a result will be getting a lot of attention, particularly for bug fixes. Of course, like always, this work will be done as much as possible with upstream so all will benefit! Microsoft is currently aiming for a 2009 Holiday release for Windows 7 and it has been said their main rival now is Linux. Are there any concerns about how Fedora can compete with Windows 7 in the future and can you give any hints as to what features you hope to include to rival Windows? Again, as Paul said, important to consider that Fedora and Microsoft have two very different audiences. Perhaps should be specific about some of the cool features that we have that appeal to desktop users, such as connection sharing in network manager(?). The other point I would raise is that the true killer feature of free software is freedom. People who use a distribution like Fedora that respects and pushes forward the development of free software are helping to guarantee that all people have access to important technologies, as well as guaranteeing their rights to privacy and control over their own property. One of the reasons behind the popularity of Ubuntu, Fedora and openSuse is their improved ease-of-use, howeverLinux as a whole is still criticized for being too techie/geeky. What else is being done to further improve the usability and ease-of-use of Fedora in the future? Good question. I suppose we could make comments on the work that's going on upstream with Gnome 3.0, as well as the effort being made to integrate KDE 4 closely. But seriously, it seems this is one area that we're paying very little coordinated attention to. If I was really trying to spin it, I might say something like: Fedora's extremely close relationship with upstream projects is setting an example for many other distributions, and we're glad to see that some, with more expertise in this area than others, are trying to follow our lead and deliver usability improvements through upstream vendors. Thanks Paul for giving this a try, and I hope you get some useful feedback. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Neowin timeline
2008/11/12 Paul W. Frields [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 22:47 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: Hello Marketing team, We received the following inquiry, and I thought this was a good opportunity to practice some of the open marketing concepts. Are there any folks on the list who would like to formulate answers to the questions here? I thought it would be useful to have a subthread (or at least an interjectino) about the timeline. What I was thinking is that, since the deadline for the Neowin article isn't really clear but does suggest a couple weeks, that we try for the following actions and dates: Brainstorming on answers - deadline Monday 17 November Collaborative wiki document - deadline Friday 21 November Final edits, send answers - deadline Sunday 23 November Stage 1 has already started. Does someone want to take control for stage 2? I'll happily kick off something on the wiki sometime Monday/Tuesday Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview
The feature list definitely *has* improved uptake from journalists, I can tell you from personal experience talking to them. I didn't say it hadn't. What I was saying is that when I contacted editors this time six months ago, the ones I spoke with didn't know it existed. I think it's a superb tool, but it's hardly much use if we don't tell anybody about it. My point was that we need to take more concrete actions that are visible to everyone. It's great having a feature list, and it's great having a marketing plan, but in what ways do these documents encourage and help people from the community to actively market releases? From my point of view, it seems like there's very little support for community marketing activities... (discounting the ambassadors project, who I think do a great job and seem to receive plenty of support). And that's why we've linked it prominently in all the press issued in RHM and on the Red Hat press blog for our other pre-releases (Alpha, Beta, Preview). I'm glad, and hopefully this will help it to become even more widespread. (NB, it kind of erks me still that this kind of thing is being put solely on Red Hat properties. Don't get me wrong, I understand and appreciate the help that Red Hat provides, but in terms of branding, I think it would be extremely valuable if Fedora had it's own space for these things.) -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview
If features and first are hurting because of where we are in the calendar compared to the Ubuntu release, allowing them the chance to release their new distro first and to receive a lot of credit for new features when reviewers and press don't understand where the upstream work is being done (in Fedora, for example), then Fedora Marketing should ask the Fedora Board to think about altering our May Day and Halloween release targets by a little bit, so that Fedora's cycle finishes before Ubuntu's. I don't know that this is necessary. I think in the last two release cycles (8 9) we made significant progress in tackling this, and looking around comments etc from the time, people were starting to recognise that Fedora was *the* distribution* for innovation. We just need to be more proactive in our shouting about features, much earlier in the release cycle (e.g. as soon as features start getting approved by FESCo, become vaguely testable). Saying that, I don't think it would hurt to release at a seperate time to Ubuntu, as we're never going to compete with an end-user orientated distribution in various media outlets (even more technical ones give far less precedence to development than they do businesss deployments). Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Comments: IN DEPTH: Fedora 10 Preview
Basically, Ubuntu X gets out just a little before Fedora X. Take the release notes for Ubuntu, they are mainly including « features » that count in the Fedora X features. Who gets the credit ? The first one to communicate about them... We should really start communicating about the features very early in the process, as soon as they were accepted, even if we later have to tell « this feature could not be completed in time and is reported ». This is something I've tried to work on many times, and in the past when I've had more time had some success with. It's the *entire* reason I started doing the developer interviews, which btw prove to be very popular, frequently getting dugg or slashdotted in the past with a bit of leg work. It's also the entire reason I wrote to the editors of a load of magazines asking if there's something we can do to make their lives a little easier when reporting about Fedora. The editors were extremely appreciative, and many didn't even know the feature list existed until I pointed it out to them. I'd encourage anyone who cares about this issue to pick up some of these ideas and go ahead and just do stuff, come up with other ideas too, but actually do stuff. I have far less time these days, but will keep working where I can do. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
10 Reasons You'll Love Fedora 10
Maybe I'm a little early this release, but like last time I've just put together a blog post that you guys will probably be interested in, and it would be cool if you could digg it. http://digg.com/linux_unix/10_Reasons_You_ll_Love_Fedora_10 Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: New Interview! Better startup
Can't you put that in to the PHP template? If we were working on Fedora's servers, yes I think so. As we're on WP.com, I don't think we can without paying... Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Developers vs Grandmas
We must also take into consideration that many bug reports remain open forever, without any feedback. I have some like that filed by myself. And it gets worse if the enhancement suggested might go against the upstream´s point of view. The bug triage team are working very hard on this, and if you're interested, I'd suggest you chat to them about ways you can help improve their work further :) Anyway, I think the issue is important and I hope the list receives my comments with an open spirit. All I say is in the best interests of end-users. It´s important such issues are discussed. As Karsten said, I would definitely recommend taking this conversation to the devel list, as people there are the one's who will implement future changes. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Hints Tips suggestions
Hey all, I'm looking for suggestions of hints and tips that we could publish to Fedora Magazine? Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: New Interview! Better startup
2008/10/21 Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jonathan Roberts wrote: After the longest time, I've finally put together a new developer interview. This week's is with Ray Strode and Adam Jackson about the better startup feature. You can find it at http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/interview-fedora-10s-better-startup/ Jon, can you install a digg this widget on the blog? http://digg.com/tools/integrate Or maybe a widget to submit to multiple social networks. Wish I could. Seeing as we're not on Fedora infra yet, I can only enable what wordpress.com gives, and that doesn't seem to include digg/social network submission :( I agree it would be really nice 'cos I hate doing the submissions myself... Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: New Interview! Better startup
Here's a plugin that works. I've used it before http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/sociable/ Is it possible to use this on wordpress.com? I don't think they let you add extra plugins...? Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Re: F10 artwork questions]
There are two problems: - schedule: even if the selection of the release name was moved near to the development cycle start trying to help the Art team, it still was quite late; - for F9 we really tried such a tie, integrating sulphur crystals in the graphics, but the feed-back was negative so we took it down at the last minute. You can't link a good theme with any name (Cambridge is also tough from this point of view - use a stylised version of the university? a science lab? - not many options). I suppose reversing it and doing the artwork first and basing the name of that isn't an option because of the legal problems it would cause? Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Re: F10 artwork questions]
Forwarding this to the Marketing project for some discussion and upgrade. The poster in question is at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar#Fedora_10_.28X.29_Release_Poster How about something like: Look out for a new star in this autumn's skies: Fedora 10 arrives $date As the main text? Seems strange though that we're possibly going to be using lines like this for marketing when the release is called Cambridge. Maybe it's time we tried to unify the release name with the artwork? Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
FM FWN
Having just republished FWN 147 on FM, I now intend to put up this post containing some notes and request for feedback on how we're approaching it. Trying to keep in line with some of my own suggestions about what we should post outside of the core content, I'm pasting the content here to give people a chance to comment before I post it. Obviously we'll need a more long term solution, but thoughts and feedback welcome :) I'll probably give it until lunchtime here, (GMT+1) before I go ahead and hit publish. Having just republished issue 147 of Fedora Weekly News here on Fedora Magazine, I want to take the chance to provide some notes about how we're approaching this, as well as to ask for some feedback. Firstly, FWN has its own category here, 'Fedora Weekly News', and as such has its own feed. This means that all those who've been waiting for a FWN feed to subscribe to can now point their feed readers at: http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/category/fedora-weekly-news/feed/ Although this feed address will change if/when we move to Fedora's infrastructure, I don't anticipate this happening for a while and I will be sure to make it very clear when it does. Secondly, and this is where I'd like feedback, FWN was not reformatted at all from the wiki. While WordPress did a great job at converting all of the existing formatting, I'd like to know if people would prefer it in any other formats. This could include anything from header styles, page breaks, inline links... the list goes on. So, let us know what you think about how we're approaching the republication of FWN by leaving a comment to this post. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: FM FWN
2008/10/14 Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jonathan Roberts wrote: Secondly, and this is where I'd like feedback, FWN was not reformatted at all from the wiki. While WordPress did a great job at converting all of the existing formatting, I'd like to know if people would prefer it in any other formats. This could include anything from header styles, page breaks, inline links... the list goes on. Well, if you ask about the layout, I have a few complaints about the general layout: - I think I could read better the text with a slightly larger font; - the center column is to narrow and hard to read (about 420px, meaning about 11 cm on my 43.5 cm wide display); - you have a blogroll sidebox with a link to fp.o. I think blogroll is more like a list of blogs, so either leave its name as blogroll and link there to blogs (planet fedora, red hat magazine, etc.) or rename it to links and leave the fp.o link in place (very useful to have). Or maybe have both boxes? - I know this require some (a lot of?) work, but I would like to see FM using a theme close the theme used on the other Fedora websites. The comments you've made here are very true. I actually have a wordpress fedora theme, but you can't apply custom themes on wordpress.com blogs without paying. As this is a test, maybe I should add a beta tag somewhere, I don't think I'll get that applied (plus I'm short on cash!). As for the font and too narrow center column, I'll switch to a different theme that should help. Also, agreed with the blogroll comments and I'll fix that now, while publishing this post. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening RHM/news.fp.o
I see you included my webcomic in this schedule, I wonder if this is supposed to involve some changes, like an editorial review, me being less silly or poking less fun at Ubuntu? Or just be trying to be more disciplined and have it always ready one day in advance? Should have been clearer about this I guess: everything I've included in the schedule is either content that will need to be created as original material, or like your webcomic is under an open license. For the latter, I didn't intend to ask for any changes to the material, just to make use of what is already available to us in the best possible way. If you'd like, however, I hope that through this project we might be able to establish the team and resources that we could help out with some kind of editorial review. Like I've been saying however, this is very much a test, it is very open to change and tweaking, whether to accommodate us or creators of content, so feedback is most welcome :) I hope this is OK? Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening RHM/news.fp.o
2008/10/12 Rahul Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jonathan Roberts wrote: It's taking a *long* time (and as I point out in the draft post, this isn't any one person's fault), and from the point of view of facilitating testing and getting experience of running something like this, I think making a start and getting on with the job in hand is probably the best next step. It will encourage other people to join and start making their contributions, and we can always migrate it to Fedora Infrastructure when it becomes available (thanks to WordPress respecting users' data and making it easy to export), in fact I want to do this. Ok. How does the workflow look like though? Do you share the same password with many editors or you want to act as a gateway by asking people to mail you the content? WordPress.com is basically MU, so we can use virtually the same workflow that we'd use on a Fedora hosted solution. People who want to contribute will need a WordPress.com account, and then they can be added in any number of different roles such as editor, author, contributor etc. I'd rather not act as a single gateway as that's a sure fire way to kill a project like this, I'm going to get busier over the next few months and relying on just me to post content would be a big mistake! Will news.fedoraproject.org redirect to this blog? Hadn't considered it actually. Not convinced it's necessary at the moment, but maybe it's a good idea. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fedora Magazine
Right, well, I guess we should start a new thread about the magazine blog I've just started. I've posted the introductory post already shared on this list, as well as added Rahul and Paul as Admin users. Tomorrow I intend to repost Fedora Weekly News on it, and will try and follow the core content I've laid out over the rest of the week. I hope everyone is satisfied with things so far. This is very much a public test, but I want to create the best content we can and having it public is probably a good motivator for that. Next steps: Figure out guidelines for: * Adding new contributors to the blog. What criteria do we want to have for adding people as a) contributors, b) editors, c) administrators. I guess an informal system of sponsorship, where admins are equivalent to package sponsors. * How do we decide when content is ready to be posted? For FWN etc, this is obvious as others take care of it for us. Besides that, I'd argue that it should be reviewed by at least one other editor. Kindly, jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening RHM/news.fp.o
2008/10/10 Jonathan Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, we did discuss in one of the meetings a few weeks ago. No, I don't know of an update. I'll ask around. Cheers. In the mean time I'd like to suggest that we set up a wordpress.com blog and use that to begin writing content that would appear on news.fp.o. I know we'll get there eventually with a Fedora/Red Hat hosted solution, but I think just getting started now will be well worth the effort. Unless anybody has any problems with this, and I'll wait 24/48 hours, I'll set up a non-personal account on wordpress.com and a blog, write some initial content, map out a week's worth of posts, and add it to planet. Well, I've heard nothing back. Below is a draft introductory post for fedoramagazine.wordpress.com. What's This All About? It's long been an ambition of many within the marketing team to establish a site along the lines of Red Hat Magazine, but one that's dedicated to content that's related to and created by the Fedora community. We've been working with various members of the infrastructure team, aiming to get a solution hosted on Fedora's own servers, but as a result of their humanity and our inability to arrange any serious testing, we've never made it past test installations of various incarnations of WordPress. No more! We've set up this WordPress.com blog so that anybody who's interested in helping can work together to develop a good work flow and practice creating content that is of a consistently high quality. This doesn't mean that we'll never move to using Fedora's own infrastructure, just that that's no longer such a pressing concern and it can happen when it happens. What Can We Expect? Over the past few months there have been lots of different ideas thrown around about what kind of content we might want to post to a Fedora Magazine, and we'll probably see a lot of experimentation with different formulas over the next few months too, but the picture I post here is how we're going to start. Our primary content will be structured around the days of the week, with each one having a theme: * Mondays: Fedora Weekly News - your chance to catch up on Fedora's mailing lists and blogs from all across the community. * Tuesdays: Developer Interview - find out what exciting features Fedora developers are working on for the next release. * Wednesdays: Hints Tips - discover lots of little ways to get more out of your system, tackling common annoyances as well as cool how-tos. * Thursdays: Fedora Weekly Webcomic - take an alternative look at Fedora goings-on with Nicu's webcomic. * Fridays: Contributor Guides - want to start contributing to Fedora but don't know how; look here. Hopefully this content will form the core of what we'll do. Much of it is already being regularly produced from a number of community members, helping us to get off to a running start! It may be that not all of it will be in place from the very beginning, but hopefully over the next few weeks things will fall into place. Around this core there will be extra posts from time to time, covering all sorts from release announcements, to editorial content to tutorial series. We hope that readers will enjoy what we produce, and hopefully become contributors themselves at some point. If you have any ideas for articles, or even for a series of posts, drop an email to jonrob AT fedoraproject DOT org and we'll take it from there. We'll see you on Monday! === Further feedback is *welcome*, whether on the post or the idea. Editing is definitely welcome on the post... Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening RHM/news.fp.o
Yes, we did discuss in one of the meetings a few weeks ago. No, I don't know of an update. I'll ask around. Cheers. In the mean time I'd like to suggest that we set up a wordpress.com blog and use that to begin writing content that would appear on news.fp.o. I know we'll get there eventually with a Fedora/Red Hat hosted solution, but I think just getting started now will be well worth the effort. Unless anybody has any problems with this, and I'll wait 24/48 hours, I'll set up a non-personal account on wordpress.com and a blog, write some initial content, map out a week's worth of posts, and add it to planet. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora
I know what is Fedora and I understand the GOAL of the project, i'm here since 2005. Try to think about this in terms of free software, not distro v distro. For me, I use and contribute to Fedora because I care about freedom, want to help drive freedom forward and believe Fedora is the best place for me to achieve these goals at the moment. I couldn't careless if people use Cent OS, RHEL, Fedora, Debian, Gentoo etc etc (some questions Re: Ubuntu's stance on freedom), they're all going to be using free software, much of which was developed on Fedora by Fedora developers. This has been my focus of marketing Fedora, the cool innovative work that our developers do, to a) get them credit, and b) to encourage others to come and join in as contributors. Thinking in this way, we are working to improve other distros. Which is fine, if freedom is what you really care about. Who contribute with a project, want to see you contributions being used in companies, schools, governments... And Fedora contributions are used in schools, governments etc, just in other distributions, and that's something you should be proud of IMHO. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Opening RHM/news.fp.o
So, what was the result of the conversations we had about this? Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Getting out the vote for the Fedora 10 election season
So what sort of things can we do? And when should we start doing them? 1) Everything you've suggested below, 2) we should start asap, some things are going to be more long range and some more targeted to the time frame around the elections. As a start is there a general need to raise the awareness of the election and voting process we are using? Can we generate general interest material covering topics like: Why vote? How do you qualify for voting? What's this range voting stuff? Yes. I'd suggest this is something we should tackle *now*. I'll even volunteer to write something tomorrow and bring it to the mktg meeting tomorrow for feedback. And where do we want to put material in an effort to increase awareness? Heh, my suggestion for this would be news.fp.o if it existed! The only reason I mention it now is that I think it ties in a little with the recent discussions about the opening of RHM - this is one set of material that would definitely belong on a Fedora specific site. In fact, election promotion in general would be perfect material for news.fp.o In lieu of that, however, I'd suggest we ask websites for a static page for this content. It's stuff that will be perennially useful, so we might as well make it look presentable and easily accessible. Community Q/A: This is the one thing I've been thinking about a lot myself. I think we can try to encourage people to ask questions they want the candidates to answer as a way to frame the election and give all the candidates a better idea of what the voting community cares about. It's sort of a two part problem. One we just need to get people out there to ask questions. I think this comes down to communicating why each election matters. Can we do that as a marketing campaign? Can we sell the election process? This is something that I think would be perfect to start preparing about a month before the election. If we advertise for questions in the usual project spaces (as well as the non-usual - perhaps fedora forums etc?), giving a deadline for when questions will be accepted and another deadline for when candidates' answers will be published, it will help drive a sense of anticipation (maybe a slightly strong word!) but provide a measure of certainty too. And second, we need a way to organize those questions and resulting candidate answers so they are easily found. I've been talking to people specifically about how to organize some sort of community to candidate q/a. Nigel seems to have taken the bait and has a plan on how to integrate community questions AND nominations into the voting app for all elections. Would be a cool idea so that people could review when they're voting. As well as that, I'd suggest we could use the normal system I've used in the past for interviews: a wiki page with bold for questions and normal for answers, tagged with names at the beginning of each line. We could publish questions/answers over a few days/weeks to drum up further interest. Nominations: This was talked about a lot in the post-Board election fab discussion, and it was generally agreed that encouraging people to nominate others would help increase the candidate pool, because some people are not inclined to self-nominate. How do we go about encouraging people to nominate other people? I don't know exactly beyond blogging about it again. I guess we could include it in the election info material you've suggested earlier, and make it clear that it's something we're actively encouraging people to do. Again, I'm not certain here. IRC Debate: Another idea floating around is organizing a candidate debate for each election. I can't take credit for this idea. It should be doable. My main concerning is how to generate the questions/topics for a debate format. This loops to my personal focus on trying to find a way generate questions from the community for candidates to answer. If you've got an idea on how to run a candidate debate for any of the elections, feel free to chime in. The panel/moderator/audience model would probably be a good one to follow, something similar to the monthly board meetings? I nominate Max to moderate as he does a pretty good job already! Meet the Candidate Videos: If candidates wanted to make introductory videos can we organize a space for candidates videos that makes it easier for people to find? Fedora TV. Kushal, what do you think? Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
Just to say, great idea!!..will be very much interested to be involved with. One other comment I'll throw in on this thread: where was this kind of enthusiasm when I asked for testers and content producers to help with a news.fp.o? I gave a description that essentially pitched an idea very much like RHM, but it would have been the Fedora communities own tool. Did I go wrong somewhere in describing the project, or are people less interested because it's community run? So far the only offer of help I've had for testers was from Rahul, and the testing has been put on hold partly because I'm extremely busy this week, but partly because I don't know if we can do any testing with just the two of us! I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts on the reasons for this... Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Reminder: Fedora Marketing Meeting today
2008/9/25 Greg Dekoenigsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 3pm Eastern US time. #fedora-mktg on freenode. Be there. ;) Heh, after all the discussions earlier today, this is a meeting I'd very much love to be at - but alas I probably can't. My brother is getting married on Saturday, and family and friends are starting to arrive this evening. I think we'd planned to talk about general strategy rather than work through the task list this week, so here are a couple of issues I'd have liked to talk about, and my thoughts on them: news.fp.o I don't care whose infrastructure we use, but I want to get this going soon. The vital ingredients (heh, you'd never guess I've just been cooking for seven!) from my point of view are: * We need to keep the Fedora brand separate from Red Hat's here. I want this to be a central place where users can turn to for information about *Fedora*, with content created openly in the community. * I'd like it to be a space owned by the community. I'd welcome contributions from RH pros, but, this is a project that I really think we could build community involvement with mktg from. Open governance, like any other Fedora Project, would probably play a key role. * Let's take into consideration any plans for the wider project that might want to be using blogs, before deciding what infrastructure we use. Some useful mailing list references where I've further expressed my views: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-September/msg00052.html Time Based Marketing Plan === The plan we created earlier in the year was useful and helped us to solidify what we were going to be pushing as the 'image' of Fedora. Where I think it failed was that we didn't get many practical applications out of it. What I've suggested in the past is a time based marketing plan, based around a release cycle. This would give us specific marketing tasks and messages to talk about, providing plenty of practical use. Here's a useful link on this: http://markmail.org/message/curqem2xfia454pj Interviews Yeah, I'm a little behind with these so far this release, but I do have some lined up. Would you believe, life is pretty busy in the build up to a wedding!! Anybody interested in doing these should just do it, though maybe check with me that I haven't talk to the relevant developers already, as I can then make introductions rather than approaching them twice. Fedora TV = Kushal is rocking with this, just wanted to say great job :) Fedora Media Stories === Rather than just posting these to the list, we should put them on a wiki page. Also, we need to try and start digging more often again... seems like we made good progress getting wider appreciation for Fedora a while ago, but now it's died back again. I think that's everything, sorry for the long, slightly ranty(?) email! /me gets back to cooking. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
If all we wanted was to fill space with opinion-mongering. I'm your man. I'll get off the board by the end of the calendar year and dedicate the time I've set aside for fab email to writing poorly punctuated editorial screeds meant for Fedora magazine content. But you know what? I think that is exactly the sort of content you want to avoid as much as possible. Jef, if you'd been following discussions about news.fp.o over the last year you'd have seen that this is exactly the kind of thing that I've been pursuing, arguing for a writer/editor work flow to ensure quality, and making many suggestions for different kinds of Fedora related content. Not all of the content suggestions I've made have been technical, but *all* of them are already being produced consistently by people in the community, or have been at some point in the past, and all that we need is a central location to pull all of this together. Having a skilled team of writers and editors, of which a number already exist within Fedora, will help to lift this content to even higher levels. My feeling is, if we we going to do this, we need to figure out a way to make use of gatherings of community members as significant generators of magazine content which can be released over a period of time. Just for example if we had a Fedora press person at Plumbers, how much content could have been generated from personal conversations via audio notes or video footage? Can we expect a volunteer press person to pay their own way for a technical conference like Plumbers? Can we turn one of the attendees to a conference like that into a Fedora press person? Put a FUDCon in Fairbanks and I'll help you figure all that out in a controlled environment :-. Much of this I've attempted before, asking for recording equipment at FUDCon, which sadly never materialised, and as I've been explaining before, frequently arguing for a central location to bring together Fedora content that is already being created. All the while, over the last many months I've worked with a number of people to try and make this vision a reality, and while it's taken us a long time, we're almost there with it. I'm sorry if this sounds frustrated, angry or exasperated, but I've been trying to pull this together for months, making many of these points repeatedly, but without any response. Then, to have people come along only repeating what I've said, with apparently zero knowledge of what I've said before is frustrating. Even more frustrating is that this conversation has come up now, so close to us being able to launch something. Where was the enthusiasm 6 months ago?! /me ends angry rant, apologies, and heads off to check that parsnips aren't burning -jef -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Secondary mark wording
Fedora Remix: + Relies on the remix idea that we firmly established in F7 + Pushes our tools -- we can establish remix.fp.o, for example ? May not translate, but many cultures may simply use the word remix and therefore a single wordmark serves everyone equally - Might be jargon, and therefore doesn't promote a community feeling -- leaves out people who aren't in the know We've been pushing the term 're-spin' haven't we? Wouldn't like to confuse the terms. I definitely dig Fuelled By Fedora though :) Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
2008/9/25 Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Jonathan Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jef, if you'd been following discussions about news.fp.o over the last year you'd have seen that this is exactly the kind of thing that I've been pursuing, arguing for a writer/editor work flow to ensure quality, and making many suggestions for different kinds of Fedora related content. I follow a little. Much of this I've attempted before, asking for recording equipment at FUDCon, which sadly never materialised, and as I've been explaining before, frequently arguing for a central location to bring together Fedora content that is already being created. All the while, over the last many months I've worked with a number of people to try and make this vision a reality, and while it's taken us a long time, we're almost there with it. I'm not suggesting that a RHM takeover of the work you are doing. But, maybe an opening of RHM means an opportunity to access to additional resources that can help specifically with the things that are most frustrating. So its good to know exactly what has been frustrating your efforts. But in opening RHM means discovering new resources, or better allocating existing resources, to help specifically with the most frustrating aspects of the community vision, then that would be a good thing right? Subverting corporate assets for community benefit is a beautiful thing. I agree completely, and throughout this thread I've said that I would love the assistance of the RH pros, and I think it's one of the most important parts of this idea. I'm sorry if this sounds frustrated, angry or exasperated, but I've been trying to pull this together for months, making many of these points repeatedly, but without any response. Then, to have people come along only repeating what I've said, with apparently zero knowledge of what I've said before is frustrating. Let me assure you, I'm not trying to take credit or trump you or suggest that what you are doing is wrong. It's not wrong, and you get full credit. But at the same time I can't speak for you either. My main concern is just trying to make sure that key ideas as to where help is needed are expressed in the context of this conversation because new people maybe listening with new ears where they had not been paying attention before. If it turns out that people hear me for the first time where they haven't heard you before shame on them. If it turns out people are turned off by me...shame on me. If it turns out that I've reinforced what you've been saying all along...great! I'm not worried about credit (for myself at least, I've done very little actual work), I just feel a little frustrated that this exact same conversation could have been had 6 months ago, and I wondered where everyone was then. In fact, 6 months ago we had a test instance of Lyceum set up on Fedora's infrastructure that could have been turned into a production instance, but there were not enough willing testers. I feel for Bret and Frank and all the work they've both put in, and I don't like the idea of that being wasted or ignored. My role has been minimal, just prodding these two along to keep the technical side moving, and trying to drum up interest here and on news.fp.o - somethign I've apparently failed at. I'm not overtly enthusiastic, I am cautiously wary. I can't speak to the timing of this conversation on RHM opening up. If RHM does decide to open up, we can't really stop them from doing that. My main concern is having them open up in a way that does not compete with community effort. So if they do open up. I want to know what they think they bring to the table, and what specific problems we need solved and see if there's a good fit for a combined community effort. OK, and I like this thinking. Once again, I apologise for the angry sounding post, and it certainly wasn't directed specifically at you... just something in your tone in that post pushed me to explain some of my frustrations over the past few months! Jon /me goes to make cups of tea. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
2008/9/24 Greg Dekoenigsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd like to ask folks here on this list a question. If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying and producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red Hat Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? I think it's a pretty cool idea, and something I'd love to be involved in. My only concern would be whether this would be too close to the plans I have for news.fp.o site? We'll eventually get that running, I swear! Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
2008/9/24 Greg Dekoenigsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: So let's say, for the sake of argument, that we fold news.fp.o in as a sub-brand of RHM, and you get to use RHM infrastructure, and you're running the news.fp.o beat. Is that something you might be interested in? How do you mean a sub-brand? I don't know if you saw when I put forward my vision for what I'd like a news.fp.o to look like, but I'd like to try and get content up 3-5 times a week, and I think by building from existing content that already gets created, we can probably fill this quite easily. I don't know if that's more content than you had in mind for a 'sub-brand'. My other worry is that I'd hoped to use news.fp.o as a central location for promoting our various marketing initiatives, and promoting the Fedora brand. Maybe it's just me, but having a Fedora tag under RHM seems like it might weaken that mission a little, making Fedora feel even more like a Red Hat sub project than a stand alone project in its own right - but maybe that's just me being silly. This is a fair point, and one I think it's right to be concerned about. It's a set of tradeoffs, I think. I appreciate the benefits this would also provide us with, though. Being able to work with the professionals at RHM would be a really fantastic resource, and by using existing infrastructure probably save Bret a whole lot of headaches! So what if we could get separate branding for news.fp.o, running on the same infrastructure? I'm not sure whether that would help Bret or not.. I think this is doable on WP-MU, so I guess all it would require is creating a theme. (MU is what RHM uses, right?) One other thing to keep in mind is that part of the reason we've been working on MU for the Fedora side of things is that there was talk of setting up a blogs.fedoraproject.org, in the same vein as blogs.gnome.org. If this is still wanted, then the infrastructure will still be created whatever we decide to do. The strongest part of this idea, imho, is enabling greater collaboration between two parties who are both interested in creating Fedora related content. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: What happens with Marketing news beat?
2008/9/13 Svetoslav P. Chukov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello all, I am confused because I see the marketing news beat in status incomplete for second week. What happened? I would like to contribute some things to that beat but I am not sure if it is alive or dead. So, how to continue in that situation? If I want to contribute to the marketing news beat how to do that? I'm not sure who writes it, but the best thing to do is introduce yourself on the news-list and see what they say there. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Regarding Advertisement of Fedora on TV
2008/9/9 Shambo Bose [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I cant remember correctly ( may be I am wrong) but I think I saw a advertisement of Linux on television few years back. If I am right, can we publish a Fedora Advertisement on television? Is it possible? regards, Unlikely, because TV advertisements are extremely expensive. Nice thought though :) Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Testing news.fp.o
Hey, We've got a test instance of wp-mu setup now, and although the software still needs work to integrate it properly with Fedora systems, I want to get people testing the work-flow etc so that when we finally have the software ready to roll in production, we'll be able to get straight to work :) My plan for testing is to a) come up with a list of content that we're going to publish on the site b) devise a work-flow c) get one or two testers for each role in the work-flow d) publish some stories(!) My thoughts on the above are: a) Dedicate a day a week to one particular piece of content. Mondays: FWN (prepared in the same way as it is now - it works so well! - just published onto the blog) Tuesdays: Fedora Daily Package(?) (We'd need to ask Chris Tyler about this) Wednesdays: Fedora TV video Thursdays: Interview Friday: Team focus (pick a particular team, talk about the work that they're doing, how you can get involved etc) Saturday: Hints/Tips/Tutorials/Docs... Sunday: Take a break!? These are just some rough ideas. I see no reason we couldn't publish more than once on a given day if something interesting came up, or somebody wrote some editorial content, but having a good staple of regular content will help keep people coming to the site frequently. b) I want to make the content as high quality as possible, and I think that having all work published and edited by somebody other than the author, and who has proven to be a competent writer, is a prerequisite for this. With this in mind, I don't think we should use the Author role that WordPress offers, but only the Contributor and Editor roles. Contributors would be able to write posts, but would need to get an editor to publish. Editors could write posts and publish, but would need to follow an honour system and ask another editor to review their work and publish it. Maybe this is overkill, I don't know, but feedback is welcome! c) Volunteers? d) Need to clear up the other areas first. Keep in mind that this is a test-instance, and our work would be liable to disappear at anytime and not promoted to the main site when it starts. For anybody interested in what remains technically, check the ticket at https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/178. I'm sure Bret would appreciate any help anybody can offer. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Testing news.fp.o
2008/9/10 Rahul Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jonathan Roberts wrote: My thoughts on the above are: a) Dedicate a day a week to one particular piece of content. What purpose does that serve? My original push for this was to just publish content whenever they are available, tagged appropriately and with a place for comments, perhaps anonymous as well. I guess I've been viewing it as a central location to collate a number of the informative projects that are going on around Fedora land. The daily focus provides a sense of stability and reliability, would give us a schedule to work to and ideas to work around. I think FWN already does a fantastic job at gathering the news each week, and I don't think it needs playing with as a model. Thanks to WordPress tags, we can tag content so that people could pick out whatever feeds they wish to follow. If some just want to read FWN and other news items, then they can pick the news tag. c) Volunteers? I am interested. Cool :) -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Next year for mktg
Maybe it could be better, but BTW I feel it interest because I'm now able to find a way to make Ambassadors and FAmSCo working in some open marketing issues. (Call it collaboration, don't misunderstand me). Yeah, I definitely enjoyed our talk :) Open to everyone? If yes, I completely agree. This is something I didn't think of, I would love for it to be open to everyone and maybe IRC would work better in that case, but I'd like to try the VoiP stuff at some point :p -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Next year for mktg
I encourage people to take advantage of the new VoIP capability. It's absolutely essential that someone be appointed at the very beginning of the meeting to take notes. Those notes should be posted publicly to the list and the wiki (preferably where other Marketing meeting minutes appear). Ah... note taking! I guess this is the best approach, and I'd be happy to take the notes if we try this out. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Next year for mktg
Hey, So I'm at FUDCon and the little session I pitched on plans for the next year of Fedora Marketing wasn't as useful as I hoped. I'd still like to try and make time to talk about this stuff, but maybe it would be a good idea if we tried to arrange a time to take advantage of Fedora VoiP stuff? A meeting outside of our normal meeting schedule where we can figure out direction and grand plans etc, rather than focusing on individual tasks that people are working on. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: four f's iconography
On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 11:00 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Jonathan Roberts wrote: One thing that I mentioned briefly last night before you arrived was whether developing new graphics to project what the project stands for risks diluting our brand? With the new graphics and slogan + the current logo (which we're not changing, right?), we have two different ideas that we're putting across to people. I think we just don't talk about the metaphor behind the bubble logo, we include it mostly for identity consistency (but it is not *the* central piece). We did in the previous set of posters that the art team did, and it worked well too :) Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Recording equipment for FUDCon?
Hi, This is a long shot, but is there any chance people will be bringing some recording equipment to FUDCon Brno? I'd like to get *good* recordings (audio + video) if possible of as many talks as possible so that we can upload them as the conference goes along :) Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: four f's iconography
On 22 Aug 2008, at 17:05, Máirín Duffy wrote: Hey folks, So in the marketing meeting we briefly discussed the status of the Four F's posters and such. I think the best idea is to use the design of the three fedora principles posters we have now, but instead make them focus on the four F's, and replace the Fedora logo parts in the posters with icons specifically drawn to represent the four f's. One thing that I mentioned briefly last night before you arrived was whether developing new graphics to project what the project stands for risks diluting our brand? With the new graphics and slogan + the current logo (which we're not changing, right?), we have two different ideas that we're putting across to people. I kind of wish I'd thought of this back when we originally discussed them, although it might be a complete non-issue anyway. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: four f's iconography
I don't *think* it's going to be an issue - think of the four foundations as more a particular Fedora campaign... the iconography should be done in the same style as the logo artwork, for example, but in no way is meant to replace it or supercede it. We'll use the standard Fedora fonts and colors etc. when doing it so hopefully it'll be a nice extension that we can rotate out if need be. Does that make sense? Mostly, I guess. Tbh, I don't have much of a clue about these things, just my gut feeling! The only thing that still concerns me is that as a particular campaign, the feel of the four fs is a little too similar to that of f-i-v. Most campaigns integrate the existing brand into their new message, using well known logos coupled with new material. Wish I could come up with some examples... I guess we achieve a similar thing by using the same fonts and colours, /me continues to feel clueless but unsettled. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: counting packages (was Re: Fedora Package Status of Aug 12, 2008)
And I think some of the binaries may be repeated for certain arches, right? But to me, saying 10,000 isn't disingenuous. It's simple and effective and essentially truthful. And it's what users can get, which is the central issue. How does our terminology compare to other distributions? I know this is a metric that's used from time to time to make comparisons, and it seems to me that the best thing to do would be to use the same measure. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: The Education Strategy
Firstly, let me say that from what I know of the work you're doing with education it's really exciting and got loads of potential. In fact I think it's one of the most exciting things happening in Fedora at the moment! 1. Open Source Curriculum - We are working with a talented group of people to try and put together both a platform and set of course materials in order to teach people and students world wide how to program using modern software engineering methodologies and with a focus on Free and Open Software tools and philosophy. This to me is a very exciting direction for Fedora to be heading :) 3. Red Hat High 2.0 - Redefine RHH as a program working with the country's elite science and math high schools in order to get students familiarized with open source at the high school level. This ties in with the Open Curriculum. We know there are a number of similar initiatives but none which focus around getting students familiarized with open source. This I am less keen on. I loved the idea of RHH, but I don't like the idea of targeting the elite only. I don't know how it works in the US, but many of the elite schools here in the UK are private and the kind of people who can afford to attend is extremely limited - even indirectly by the property prices near by. Further, school doesn't work out for everyone, and there are many extremely talented people who aren't elite but who would probably find RHH exactly the kind of thing they need to kick start their love of learning, or their love of anything! I would hope that these are the kind of people that a project like this would target. Lack of openness One of the things we've talked about in IRC and I'll reiterate here is that lack of openness makes people think the worst. I think that largely such things have little if any place within the Fedora community - there are a few exceptions, but I am not sure that this is one of them. I also don't see the benefit - I know we talked about making a big splash at Seneca in October, but that type of 'marketing' is more reminiscent of Steve Jobs than of Fedora. Agreed. I realise that sometimes a lack of openness isn't intentional, and just happens (I've certainly been guilty of this at times), but I don't see any reason other than legal obligations to not be entirely open with everything that we do. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: press coverage postings to the list/wiki
But I'm more of an ambassador than of a marketing person, so I might get that picture wrong. What do you think? I'm happy to have these press mentions coming to the list as it helps us discover times when it would be a good idea for someone from the project to write a note advising of corrections, or even saying thank you for a great article :) Both probably go quite a long way with journalists. I would also agree, however, that it would be great if we could get these put into the press archive as well. All the best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Community input wanted: How to compile questions for an interview.
2008/7/17 Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Sankarshan (সঙ্কর্ষণ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about asking what stuff they'd like to see in Fedora in terms of internal engineering bits ? ;) Or, the very usual 'why did you end up choosing Fedora ?' Let me stress. The point of this email is to ask this list how to compile a list of questions... not what questions to ask. Jef, My opinion is not to ask questions based on their popularity but on what will make the best interview. I know that's actually out of line with Fedora's whole approach to things, but it's adding a whole extra layer of complexity that won't necessarily lead to a better end-product. In the past I've run interviews where I've invited people to send in their questions and then just used the best of those, and ordered them in the way that makes it the most interesting for the audience and also causes the interview to make sense. This worked well. Having some flow from question to question is, I think, important. I am also not that keen on sites like Digg etc, as I believe they can lead to a lowest common denominator situation, something you definitely don't want for an interesting interview! Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Improved audio from Paul Frields 2008 fudcon talk ogg
Brilliant. + 1 - Great work :) This is exactly the kind of thing we can do to improve the situation you referenced in your other e-mail: create content and work together to a) make it as good as possible, and b) make it as easy to access as possible. JonRob: do we have a mechanism for swapping out videos when someone makes beneficial edits like this? Heh, well I've just edited the feed so that it points to Valent's version for the link and enclosure, while keeping the guid the same so that it doesn't get re-downloaded by people who've already got it. Hope this works, let me know if there are any problems with it. Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Marketing meeting reminder
2008/7/10 Greg Dekoenigsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hey all. Fedora marketing meeting today. WHERE: irc.freenode.net, #fedora-mktg WHEN: 1900 UTC (3pm Eastern US time) WHAT: Agenda at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks See you all then. Lots to talk about, especially the excellent progress of Fedora TV (well done, JonRob and Kushal especially.) Cheers, I should be there for a change today, provided I remember! Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Making some Fedora noise
2008/7/9 Rahul Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, There seem to be a number of Fedora related news that deserves press releases. Fedora Board meeting claim that the #1 supercomputer in the world runs Fedora. Somebody might need to verify this story first. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2008-07-08 OLPC is the largest deployment of Fedora http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings/2008/06/30/30th-june-2008/ Number of laptops shipped: 390,000 Number of laptops being built per month (currently): 50,000 Acer's Linpus Linux Lite (Fedora) Ultra Portable Laptop http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/acers_linpus_linux_lite_ultra_portable_laptop I can write up some things this weekend if people are happy to wait. If anybody else would like to write some stuff, I'd be happy to review it if they wanted. Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora TV is ready to go!
I've attached the announcement I've drafted for my blog below. Opinions are welcome :) I'd also like to push this to f-announce-list too, if possible. In a short while too, I was going to create a video to stick in the channel saying welcome - though it won't be any thing exciting, just my ugly mug recorded via my webcam, any brighter ideas are welcome! Best, Jon - What is it? A way for our community to easily share video and audio related to Fedora with each other - the mechanism we've chosen to do this is an RSS feed that also exists as a channel in Miro. How do I watch? You can install Miro and subscribe to the Fedora TV channel. You can also add the RSS feed to any feed reader or suitable podcatching client. I'm personally using Banshee for my podcast needs these days as it has great video support and if you're a Gnome user is really nice to use :) The feed URL is http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fedora-tv.xml Can I submit my own videos? Yes! We want this to be a community channel where any Fedora community members can submit their content. So if you've created a screen cast tutorial, an interview, a podcast, a promo video or anything else Fedora related we want you to submit it to us. The only conditions for it's inclusion in the feed is that it's: 1. on topic 2. in an open format such as OGG Theora/Vorbis 3. is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike license To let us know about your video head over to our Trac instance where you can login with your FAS account details and file a new ticket for each video you'd like to include. This way we can review your submission to make sure the above conditions are all met. If we decide that a video isn't suitable, we'll let you know in the ticket so all conversations of this manner are open and everyone can have their voices heard :) At the moment you need to find somewhere to keep your video file as we don't have dedicated hosting. For the time being, you might want to try using your Fedora People space. What still needs doing? A better way for us to update the feed. At the minute I maintain the feed, and as you can imagine this is not entirely ideal. We'd like to fix this and find an automatic way for this to happen, but we can tackle that in the future. A better place for feed videos to be stored. I'd also really like to have a place to tie all of our marketing activities together, and I hope we'll have this in the not too distant future. What do I plan to do for the channel? My usual series of developer interviews. Yeah, I'm original, I know... I challenge everyone else in the community to come up with something better! -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora TV is ready to go!
2008/7/7 Kushal Das [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tuesday 08 July 2008 12:44:06 am Jonathan Roberts wrote: The feed URL is http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fedora-tv.xml In the above stated rss feed what is the different between pubDate and lastBuildDate ? like in that file: pubDateSun, 29 Jun 2008 13:41:00 GMT/pubDate lastBuildDateWed, 11 Jun 2008 17:23:00 GMT/lastBuildDate I am writing a small python script to add videos to that xml file. There shouldn't be a difference, just me being clumsy! Not sure that they're both necessary, but it was put together quickly and I thought it wa better to be careful. Best, Jon Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur) -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fedora TV is ready to go!
Right, We have a Trac instance now, thanks to the kind infrastructure people :) https://fedorahosted.org/fedoratv/ Any FAS account holders can login, file a ticket with information about a video/audio they want to submit for the feed, and we can respond openly and hold any discussions about whether to include the file or not. Before announcing this to the project outside of this list, I'd like to ask people to review the text I've put up and make any changes they think are needed. We still need to find a better way to update the feed, but that can wait until everything else is running smoothly. Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: LinuxGlobe Podcasts Now Available! :D
2008/7/2 Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to challenge Mark to think about delivering a periodic Ogg Vorbis podcast for our Miro channel, with content that is targeted at our existing userbase. I would also humbly suggest that if he were going to take up the challenge, that he attempt to survey people on the fedora-list and possible the fedoraforum.org forums for feedback as to the sort of podcast content that would be compelling to a wide audience in our existing userbase. I've also dropped a message to the people doing the Fedora Reloaded podcast and invited them to drop by the marketing-list... Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: FWN: Marketing beat complete
Certainly we could reference and create RSS feeds for audio and video items posted to Fedora TV from within a Wordpress FWN. What needs to happen still to move over to Wordpress Multiuser, and is help needed to get this accomplished? Thanks all! Keep an eye on the infrastructure list over the next few days, there should be some information up soon. Whatever happens though, once there's concrete tasks that need doing I'll be sure to let everyone on the lists know :) Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel
2008/6/28 Chip Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Here is an idea why don' t we try to form our own wensite I could provide the domain name or donate an exisiting own which I already own that being linuxunixwoeld.net There's no need to form a separate website on a separate domain. Fedora has the capacity to host it itself, and also the expertise to implement it, it would be much better if you were to join the infrastructure team and offer to help them... or if that doesn't interest you keep an eye out on this list for the announcement of when things are ready for writers and editors to begin work on what's happening already and offer to help out there. Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: My First Linux Desktop
Read it full at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/06/erik_linux.html Good to see them talking about Fedora as well for a change :) Often the BBC talk about Ubuntu without any suggestion that other versions of Linux exist. I've met a few people from the BBC in my time, and they've all seemed pretty clued up (they've been the behind the scenes people) and this reinforces that opinion for me. Thanks for sharing... Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Help Needed: Is Miro Updating?
Hey all, I updated the feed for Miro last night to include one of Kushal's videos, but I'm not seeing it update on either miroguide.com or Miro itself. Could somebody else check to see that it's not just me this is happening to, and also have a look to see if they can figure out what I've done wrong (I don't think I've done anything, but often it's easy to miss simple things!). The feed URL is: http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fedora-tv.xml Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Help Needed: Is Miro Updating?
Yes, I can see the video, but it is getting in freeze after few seconds. You can see the video in Miro or from the feed? Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Help Needed: Is Miro Updating?
2008/6/28 Kushal Das [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Saturday 28 June 2008 04:23:31 pm Jonathan Roberts wrote: Yes, I can see the video, but it is getting in freeze after few seconds. You can see the video in Miro or from the feed? From miro :) Btw, the feed is talking about Fedora 8. Hmm yeah that was intentional but I think it's probably better if I revise it! Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora Contributor Stories
2008/6/27 Jason Benedict Low [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No doubt RedHat is Sporting Fedora in a way, But I believe Fedora should be Fedora itself and go for Fedora Magazine etc . Market the FEDORA brand itself directly is a better choice to set it intothe mind of the Audience. We're working on it :) It's going to be based on WP MU because other parts of the project would like blogging capability too, and we have packages etc, we just need to get some fixes upstream to make it work exactly how we want it to work and then to deploy a test instance to figure out workflows for contributors/editors. We actually had a test instance with lyceum up a while ago now, but there wasn't so much interest so we thought we'd go this way and do things properly with the extra time. Good to hear more people are sounding interested now :) Best, Jon Just my 2cts worth. Thanks you Have a Nice Day Best Regards, Jason Benedict Low -- When i work nobody care. When i rest everybody stare. -- Jonathan Roberts wrote: 2008/6/26 Pawel Sadowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yeah, maybe we could publish it @ www.redhatmagazine.com, but we have to talk with guys like Paul W. Frields I think and ask if something like that would be possible. The people at RHM are very nice and I'm sure would be more than willing to help us out. I've written a few things that they've posted for me, and I'm sure they'll do the same in the future too :) Hopefully though, in the not too distant future we'll have our own Fedora solution, there's just a few loose ends to iron out and a work flow to be figured out so that we can pull some of the marketing stuff together (contributor stories, interviews etc) with FWN - at least this is what I'm hoping to achieve! Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: I was just thinking about a Fedora News Channel
2008/6/27 Jonathan Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/6/27 Greg Dekoenigsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Clint Savage wrote: Btw, I have Paul's keynote from FUDCon up on my fedora people page. Its audio only, but would that be appropriate to share on FedoraTV anyway? http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/ (has paul's name in it). /me wonders how that might work. Is Miro capable of sharing audio as well? If so, I don't see why not. JonRob? I've no idea, but I'll find out :) Lol, expect this list of Miro related things to be fixed tomorrow morning... Miro does appear to be capable of sending out just audio too. I'll put up the audio of Paul's talk on Sunday perhaps? Seems like every other day would be a good way to go, but that might be a little ambitious. Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Student partnership program. Extending fedora mentor program to students.
2008/6/18 susmit shannigrahi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, In our previous APAC ambassadors meeting we were discussing about this idea[1]. Generally the final/pre-final year engineering students need to do some project work on a topic. What I personally saw that they desperately search for one. we can make a lot of new contributors if we provide them with a project to work, some guidence and may be a certificate at the end. (As they say, target this segment :)) This is a very cool idea, and has actually come up recently a few times: The Fedora University Tour has turned up an initiative to create an open source curriculum with Seneca(?) The f-advisory-board list were talking about restating the mentors program Internships are being plotted Hans De Goede (I believe) gets his students to port applications over and packages them for Fedora I'll try and find links later, but these are all things that are worth following up and the people behind them may be good people to get in touch with about creating something more uniform :) Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fwd: Fedora TV Submission Form - PHP
Hey all, Can I get some feedback on this? The third is an easy answer - but the first two are a little trickier. Why can't people just send an e-mail, and I have no idea about legal! Best, Jon -- Forwarded message -- From: Mike McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/6/17 Subject: Re: Fedora TV Submission Form - PHP To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 17 Jun 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: We've created a channel in Miro, Fedora TV, for use by the marketing team with things like screencast tutorials/video interviews etc and we want to make it easy for community people to submit their content. To do this, we planned to create a simple web form that collects the users' data (Name, e-mail, video URL etc) and then sends that off to an e-mail address. This e-mail address could either belong to a single editor or a mailing list (the latter is preferred), so that we can check it's relevant before adding it to the main channel feed for all the world to see. We have a simple script in PHP to collect this form information and e-mail it, and providing people don't think there are better approaches to this, we would like to get it hosted so that we can use it on Fedora Websites. So I've got a couple of questions First of which being why can't people just email this stuff? Second being, and this is probably a question for legal, in order to submit that stuff to us via a web form, wouldn't we need to require cla done? Third being, how large of files are we talking about emailing around (be very specific)? Email and video often seem ill suited to eachother. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Screencast Ideas wiki
2008/6/16 Jason Fenner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone want to volunteer to generate the associated rss feed meant to be used in miro? Starting with Clint's video as the first rss entry. Has anyone volunteered for this yet? Yep, it's been done and the channel is in Miro :) Fedora TV. What does need doing however, is an e-mail web form so that people can submit an idea to a video for review before it gets added to the feed. If you're interested in helping, maybe you'd like to do this?! Would be awesome if you could! Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Screencast Ideas wiki
2008/6/16 Lucas Saboya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I can try to do this, just tell me what info do you want me to get from the users, and I'll try to do something here Basically we want: Name: E-Mail: Video URL: Video Title: Video Description: And then have that e-mailed to an editor or a mailing list (i.e. just needs an e-mail address we can fill in for it to be sent to). What would be cool if the form would automatically update the RSS feed once somebody clicks approve, but this could also be done manually quite easily. Let me know, otherwise I'll investigate this properly myself when I get a minute, Thanks, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Miro channel successfully created!
2008/6/13 Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:59 AM, Jonathan Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That worked! Great Job on getting this going. Now, how do we add more videos to the list? AFAICS there is no way I can do this from the miro site. There isn't yet, other than through me :S Speaking of which. I'd like to challenge you to turn some of your future interview work into a set of psuedo video interviews by making use of cheese and pitivi. Video yourself asking questions and then get your interview subject to video themselves answering the questions and then mix the clips together with pitivi into a psuedo interview to push to the miro channel. Double points if you can pull a Barbara Walters and get one of your interviewees to cry on camera. I'd already planned on something along these lines, though haven't worked out the details yet :) I'll be waiting until the feature list for F10 is out before doing anything more concrete myself I think, but there will definitely be something like this... Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Miro channel successfully created!
That worked! Great Job on getting this going. Now, how do we add more videos to the list? AFAICS there is no way I can do this from the miro site. There isn't yet, other than through me :S The plan is to create a web form that users can submit a video through, which will then be passed on for review and submission to the channel. I'm tackling this this coming week, so hopefully by next week I'll have something in place :) Hope this helps, and if you want to help let me know how your web form creation skills are and I'll pass you my plans for what I want it to do! Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Miro - help needed
OK, I was just about to submit the channel I created to Miro to get the ball rolling on this whole idea. I've put the rss file on my fedorapeople space, and pointed the feed to Paul's GVFS video to begin with. But...I'm having issues with Miro's website and it won't let me move on to the next stage of submitting the video. So, would anybody else like to have a go at it? You literally only need to go to: https://www.miroguide.com/channels/submit And follow the steps through one by one. Half of information is auto-filled too from details in the feed itself. A few quick notes: The video feed file is: http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fedora-tv.xml I've called the channel Fedora TV I was planning on using the vertical Fedora logo from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines Urmm...that's about it! If somebody can do the web side stuff for me, then I'll happily manually maintain the feed for a while until we find a better solution. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Miro - help please
OK, I was just about to submit the channel I created to Miro to get the ball rolling on this whole idea. I've put the rss file on my fedorapeople space, and pointed the feed to Paul's GVFS video to begin with. But...I'm having issues with Miro's website and it won't let me move on to the next stage of submitting the video. So, would anybody else like to have a go at it? You literally only need to go to: https://www.miroguide.com/channels/submit And follow the steps through one by one. Half of information is auto-filled too from details in the feed itself. A few quick notes: The video feed file is: http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fedora-tv.xml I've called the channel Fedora TV I was planning on using the vertical Fedora logo from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines Urmm...that's about it! If somebody can do the web side stuff for me, then I'll happily manually maintain the feed for a while until we find a better solution. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Miro - help please
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 09:35 -0400, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: OK, I was just about to submit the channel I created to Miro to get the ball rolling on this whole idea. I've put the rss file on my fedorapeople space, and pointed the feed to Paul's GVFS video to begin with. But...I'm having issues with Miro's website and it won't let me move on to the next stage of submitting the video. So, would anybody else like to have a go at it? I'm in the middle of submission right now, and it just returned an Internal Service Error. So I'll ping the admin and see if I can figure it out. Ah, so not just me then :) Thanks Greg! Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro
If you can point me to: (a) A cheatsheet on how to set this up; This page: http://www.getmiro.com/create/ Has links to all the miro related stuff, and this page: http://www.getmiro.com/help/feeds.php Has links to cheat sheets for the various RSS formats that they'll work with. (b) A couple of smallish videos; For a couple of smallish videos, try http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/ I can give it a shot. I'll put my personal web space on the line to get us started. --g -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro
2008/5/21 Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Who's up to the challenge of creating an experimental rss feed for Fedora tutorial screencasts in theora that we can use in miro out of the box in Fedora 9? I've been trying to find a spare machine at work to host this sort of thing... but I've just utterly failed. I was hoping to surprise everyone with a workable demo that you could submit theora vids to for me to host as a starting point for figuring out how to really deal with open video content in a user accessible way. I think miro is a workable solution. But I've failed to deliver. So now I'm asking everyone on this list for help. Can someone put together a simple rss feed with just a couple of theora videos that miro understands as a channel? It doesn't have to be a huge hosting commitment. We don't need to start with a Broadcast Machine implementation and use Miro's inherent ability to speak torrent. We should be able to demo a feed using video houses in Fedora's people space. I'll happily have a crack at creating an rss feed based on the videos in Paul's fedorapeople space, but I doubt I'll get to it until tomorrow evening. If anyone else wants to have a go, or take a crack at this, then feel free to go for it! Once we have that, we can move on beyond screencasts into web camera interviews and so on and so on. This is quite an exciting idea :) So who's game. I really have to apologize for not having the time to get a hosting instance together for videos as a starting point for a full discussion. No problem, we're all busy! Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Mission: Video blogging Fedora screencasts for use in Miro
2008/5/21 Jonathan Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/5/21 Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Who's up to the challenge of creating an experimental rss feed for Fedora tutorial screencasts in theora that we can use in miro out of the box in Fedora 9? I've been trying to find a spare machine at work to host this sort of thing... but I've just utterly failed. I was hoping to surprise everyone with a workable demo that you could submit theora vids to for me to host as a starting point for figuring out how to really deal with open video content in a user accessible way. I think miro is a workable solution. But I've failed to deliver. So now I'm asking everyone on this list for help. Can someone put together a simple rss feed with just a couple of theora videos that miro understands as a channel? It doesn't have to be a huge hosting commitment. We don't need to start with a Broadcast Machine implementation and use Miro's inherent ability to speak torrent. We should be able to demo a feed using video houses in Fedora's people space. I'll happily have a crack at creating an rss feed based on the videos in Paul's fedorapeople space, but I doubt I'll get to it until tomorrow evening. OK, it was easier than I thought :) Below is an rss feed that miro will understand. I made the mistake of following through on the miro process to see what happened, but changed the details so that it's not linked to the fedora project (other than via my ugly mug!) There are some extra items we could add to this, such as categories and tags, but you can do that as you post it to miro. Also, we could add an image such as the fedora logo or something special the art-team might like to do for this... Best, Jon -- ?xml version=1.0? rss version=2.0 channel titleFedora Project/title linkhttp://fedoraproject.org/link descriptionFind out all about the Fedora Project, from screencast tutorials to video interviews with members of our community./description languageen-us/language pubDateWed, 21 May 2008 21:04:00 GMT/pubDate lastBuildDateWed, 21 May 2008 21:04:00 GMT/lastBuildDate docshttp://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification/docs managingEditor[EMAIL PROTECTED]/managingEditor webMaster[EMAIL PROTECTED]/webMaster item titleGVFS/title linkhttp://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/GVFS.ogg/link descriptionHave you heard about Gnome's new GVFS system? It lets you copy multiple files at once, queues transfers and keeps track of everything you're doing in one neat window./description pubDateWed, 21 May 2008 21:04:00 GMT/pubDate enclosure url=http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/GVFS.ogg; length=4064708 type=video/x-theora+ogg / guidhttp://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/GVFS.ogg/guid /item /channel /rss - -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fedora Store and sources
Hey all, one thing I think we should definitely consider in creating a Fedora Store and where we source our materials from. From my own perspective, if we're going to run a store like this we can't get t-shirts, hats etc and/or cotton that has been manufactured by companies who don't pay a fair wage in awful working conditions. Maybe we should explore fair trade suppliers? Is fair trade popular in the US? It's certainly gaining traction here in the UK and I'd be happy to work on this. I already have a few possible connections that I'd be able to explore. Best wishes, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora Store and sources
We are looking to have all of the purchase transactions, printing and such handled by a 3rd party. Fedora does not currently have the means to handle maintaining the inventory or purchasing infrastructure. This has had us looking at places like cafepress, spreadshirt.com and such who do printing on demand to help make sure Fedora Project does not end up with money sitting on shelves as inventory. That's a very reasonable concern :) From the 3rd party print on demand vendors the Store SIG has evaluated so far, spreadshirt.com seems to offer the most reasonable solution at the moment. Some of the pros and cons for them are listed here (as are some from other vendors we looked at): http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/PotentialDistributors Spreadshirt does offer American Apparel shirts who say they are sweatshop free. They also offer an organic shirt which is listed as: One concern I'd have is that sweatshop free is very different to somebody receiving a fair wage for their work. But I guess it's a step in the right direction. Certified by the Control Union World Group, to the Organic Exchange 100 guidelines and the SKAL International standards for sustainable textile production. Organic cotton is a significant +. I don't suppose people know about the issues surrounding growing cotton, but it does account for approximately 15-20% of the world's pesticide use, some of which makes it's way into water supplies etc. Now, spreadshirt also offers more traditional shirts and are not an exclusive Fair Trade shop. But at least we present a potential Fedora store customer with a choice to support fair trade. I guess my question would be, if we have the option, would we want to support non-fair trade and manufacturing practices? Is fair trade popular in the US? It's certainly gaining traction here in the UK and I'd be happy to work on this. I already have a few possible connections that I'd be able to explore. To be honest, I am not sure how popular it is in the US. My wife keeps our family very well aware of it and she does make an effort to buy fair trade goods. Not sure how prevalent it is beyond my household though. :) If you have something in mind, feel free to outline the details and post to the list and update the Potential Distributors page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/PotentialDistributors I will see what I can come up with :) I think the print on demand limit could be a problem though, but I'm at least pleased to see that spreadshirt.com makes some effort! Best wishes, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: USB Keys
2008/5/13 Karlie Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I can buy USB keys wholesale (in the USA) if you want to duplicate the drives yourself. I don't mind ordering at cost for Ambassadors. What sort of cost would that be? Would it be possible to forward them over to the UK? I guess it would make most sense for me to buy them wholesale over here, especially for the project I'm going to need 600 + Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fedora 9 in the press?
Has anyone started making a list of Fedora 9 reviews? If not, I'll start one! Would be good to have as a promotional tool :) Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: /.?
2008/5/13 Mike McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone know if we've submitted to /.? Have we submitted to any sites? Do it anyway, the more the merrier I think :) Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora 9 in the press?
Let's put these here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive/F9 I haven't actually created the page yet because it's timing out. Might be sensible to keep track of things in this thread until the release activity dies down a bit. Best, Jon 2008/5/13 Rahul Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jonathan Roberts wrote: Has anyone started making a list of Fedora 9 reviews? If not, I'll start one! Would be good to have as a promotional tool :) A couple of initial reviews: Fedora 9 - an OS that even the Linux challenged can love http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/12/fedora_9/ First impressions of Fedora 9 with KDE 4 http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080512#feature Rahul -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
USB Keys
Hi all, I don't suppose somebody could tell me where the Fedora USB keys that have been handed out at events were produced and how much they cost? Thinking about something similar for a project this summer... Best, Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
