Re: [in the news] Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users
On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 09:03 -0500, Kara Schiltz wrote: Computerworld 12.16.09 Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols [clip] Paul Frields, Red Hat's Fedora Project Leader, described Fedora to me as being first and foremost for users interested in and capable of contributing to open source. So if you're a Linux power user, you're going to love Fedora. If you're not, this probably isn't the distro for you. Whoah that's a leap in logic. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: F13 goals and marketing objectives...
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 08:54 -0430, María Leandro wrote: Hello all! :D I found this awesome test to choose your Linux Distribution and we could do something like this but to users choose which Fedora .iso download. This would be a really cool kind of thing to put on spins.fedoraproject.org to point people to a spin that fits them... ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: F13 goals and marketing objectives...
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 19:29 -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote:
Of course, some of these are fairly simple; I'd assume that getting
F13 out the door by XYZ date is a goal of sorts, and the
straightforward marketing work we do - one-page release notes,
in-depth features, etc. ties in with that. But there are, I'd hope,
some higher, not entirely black-and-white goals - perhaps things like
increasing user base, or something similar - where we should be
picking tasks to help drive us on the big, happy road towards that end
goal.
So as we drill down towards a final task list, I think (now, where'd I
put my soapbox? :D) that it would be great to have those goals out
there - if we have them - to help us prioritize what we, as a
marketing team, would like to do. Because while we seem to have
endless ideas, unfortunately, we do not have infinite time and other
resources (money, caffeine, and so forth) - and I would love to see
the awesome brainpower and resources we do have be put to the most
effective use.
Throwing some ideas for measurable-ish goals out there:
- Convert 100 users of non-Fedora distros to Fedora as their primary
desktop OS.
- Have 1 Fedora-specific article a month until F13's release dugg up to
the front page of digg.com.
- Get 20,000 views of Fedora video content in a month. (I've gotten over
1,000 on my Fedora 5 fun things videos alone in two days)
- Encourage 100 college students to sign up as Fedora contributors and
each contribute at least one thing.
- Talk up Fedora at at least 20 different LUG meetings worldwide.
('Fedora worldwide tour' hehe). Give away at least 200 copies of Fedora
across these meetings.
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Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12
Hi, I just posted a 15 minute 'fun things in Fedora' video. It's on YouTube - I tried blip.tv and the upload kept stalling, so I split the video in to and got it up on YouTube just so I could make it available more quickly. http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/5-fun-things-in-fedora-12-video/ Hope you enjoy, ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12
Hi María! On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 12:27 -0430, María Leandro wrote: Excelent!!! There are some tools I didn't know so is awesome :D Thank you for this amazing clip, and I finally can hear your voice :P Oh wow, I'm really glad I did this then - I think casual videos like this can be a really cool way for each of us to show off what we know, because I think everybody approaches Fedora a bit differently and discovers different things so we can learn a lot from each other. Sweet! :) By the way, if anybody would like to submit translations, I can upload them. YouTube seems to have a really cool captioning system and it seems to auto-detect where each line should go in the video. Here is the raw English transcript to translate: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/blog/video/5funthingsf12/5funthingsinf12-transcript.txt ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 15:12 -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: 2009/11/30 Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com: Hi, I just posted a 15 minute 'fun things in Fedora' video. It's on YouTube - I tried blip.tv and the upload kept stalling, so I split the video in to and got it up on YouTube just so I could make it available more quickly. http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/5-fun-things-in-fedora-12-video/ Hope you enjoy, Unfortunately, one of the five fun things is not watching the five fun things videos in a stock fedora install. To be fair, the video is aimed at people who are not yet using Fedora. The site requires flash. … If anyone doing fedora marketing wants to put up videos that don't require proprietary software to view, please feel free to drop me an email. I'd be glad to help, or if I'm too busy I can connect you with someone else willing and able to help. Supporting open video technology isn't especially hard, and it doesn't require losing compatibility with people still on proprietary platforms. ... though it is a little more involved than just dropping the videos on youtube. I hope you didn't mean to hurt my feelings with your message because it could certainly be interpreted that way. As noted, the videos were created in Fedora 12 using PiTiVi. I attempted to encode them 3 times, for a total of 3 hours rendering time (I let the last one render overnight last night since I had wasted hours already) using an Ogg container, Theora video codecs, and Vorbis Celt sound codecs. Every single time, the video rendered completely out-of-sync. Even though gstreamer was used to render it, it refused to play in gstreamer players, only playing in mplayer. I finally had to render it using an avi container / mpeg2 / mp3, and that only took 15 minutes to render. I attempted to upload it to blip.tv at first, as I already noted, and after 2 failed attempts (a total of 1 hour and 45 minutes of my time) I gave up and had it uploaded to YouTube in 30 minutes. Whenever I have to upload something to YouTube, I always make an ogv version available (you can see in my past blog posts where I've done this) but in this case it simply was not possible as it would not encode successfully. You can ask anyone who knows me - I am insanely religious about software freedom and codec freedom. After spending hours filming, editing, rendering, and uploading these video (I would guesstimate about 12 hours total, during my holiday vacation time) I became impatient and just wanted to share the video instead of putting myself through continued pain trying to do it the right way. Can you help me get this working with ogg blip.tv? Is there a bug in PiTiVi or F12's theora / ogg / celt / vorbis encoders that resulted in my having such a poor experience? What do you suggest? I used all of the default settings in PiTiVi as I wasn't sure what encoder settings to tweak (and at ~1 hour rendering time per attempt making wild guesses would not be a prudent usage of my time.) ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 14:47 -0600, John Mackay wrote: I´ve also been looking for ogg support youtube-like alternative sites. blip.tv is a great one. I'm not sure why the upload kept stalling on me, that has never happened before. and lol, wtf with the passive agressiveness? I wish I knew. I've been around Fedora forever, and *I* felt discouraged. I can't imagine how a new contributor would feel, after pulling together the required initiative and hours of their free time to put something together and to get a reply like that ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 15:52 -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: 2009/11/30 Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com: To be fair, the video is aimed at people who are not yet using Fedora. Understood. But it's poor sales for fedora when you use an approach which works less well for Fedora than it does for windows. Obviously excluding non-linux users is not an option. I don't use Windows. I use Fedora 12. I created the video and I can play the video fine. While I understand your point, it's not fair. Would it have been better for me to not produce the video at all? Because that's how I'm feeling now. As noted, the videos were created in Fedora 12 using PiTiVi. I attempted to encode them 3 times, for a total of 3 hours rendering time (I let the last one render overnight last night since I had wasted hours already) using an Ogg container, Theora video codecs, and Vorbis Celt sound codecs. Every single time, the video rendered completely out-of-sync. Even though gstreamer was used to render it, it refused to play in gstreamer players, only playing in mplayer. CELT? Celt is completely inapplicable for this use case. PiTiVi shouldn't be offering it. And I understand that completely. I was trying every free option available in an attempt to produce a video with clean codecs. This bug sounds vaguely like what you experienced: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=600215 One possible work around would be to render to high quality MJPEG in AVI (which is effectively lossless) plus PCM audio then use a tool like ffmpeg to Theora to transcode. Thanks for the bug link. I did the former. I didn't have the time to do the latter. I was hoping to get the upload to blip.tv working as blip.tv can do the transcoding server-side. If you'd like to transcode it for me, that would be really helpful. Can you help me get this working with ogg blip.tv? Is there a bug in PiTiVi or F12's theora / ogg / celt / vorbis encoders that resulted in my having such a poor experience? What do you suggest? I used all of the default settings in PiTiVi as I wasn't sure what encoder settings to tweak (and at ~1 hour rendering time per attempt making wild guesses would not be a prudent usage of my time.) There must be a bug, because the encoders alone are no less speedy than what you ended up using, at least not in any material way. I've never used pitivi before, but I'll install it and attempt to reproduce your issue. Could you possibly make your project file available to me if I'm unable to reproduce this with a trivial test case? The project is 64 GB I can't think of any reasonable way to share that. But a trivial test case should be able to reproduce the issue. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12
Gregory Maxwell wrote: ! No, I didn't. We all have important things to do with our time, there is no crime in not taking some step, even an easy one, when we think doing so will conserve some resources. Hey, let's be fair. I tried to do it the right way from the start. It was far from easy. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Video: 5 Fun Things in Fedora 12
wonderer wrote: Hy, I just posted a 15 minute 'fun things in Fedora' video. Great! I ask myself how long did it take overall to make it writting the transcript, recording the footage, pulling all together, etc. Because I had the idea how about that some fedora people show the community how they work, what does their Desktop look like, what programms they use in EXACTLY the way I saw in your video ;-) It took around 12 hours, but it could have taken 6 or less if I didn't end up having so many problems encoding it and uploading it. Everything through editing the clips together and adding titles was very straightforward. But it was extremely painful and time-consuming to render them, and very difficult to upload them. (Even YouTube failed the first 3 tries. The first try because the video was over 10 minutes, so I had to split it and re-render it, then upload again.) If we want to make a drive for this I think we need to get the bugs in the encoders fixed, and we should also decide on a proper place to host the videos (I will say YouTube's caption feature is great - I didn't have to set up time stamps at all and it's very close to being in-sync) and have some documentation for getting the uploaded and working with some troubleshooting information. E.g. a nice step-by-step guide ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: User Profiles
On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 04:36 -0600, Mel Chua wrote: By sheer coincidence, our current plan for next week's meeting time is that Sakis is leading us on sprinting on user stories - Sakis, how can we use this to our benefit (and what are we doing / what should we do to prep for Tuesday)? Mo, do you have any thoughts/requests on whether (and if so, how) we can join forces? I think maybe the user stories you're sprinting on might give us good ideas of which users we could interview as part of the 'users' stakeholder category. I'll be in both channels. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora 12 tour
On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 13:30 -0600, Mel Chua wrote: PS: I love the Spanish translation! In particular, the translated pictures and the translated banner at the top rock my world... is the source svg for the banner (either the translated version or the original one) available somewhere? It's a good piece for other translators to be able to remix. Augh, it looks like María had to reconstruct it! My bad. I've uploaded the source here: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/release% 20notes/f12/Fedora12-releasenotes-wikibanner.svg ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
F12 One-Page Release Notes PDF
Hey! So, um... the PDF of the one-page release notes isn't one page. o_O There's way too much content. So there's one general page, then one page for desktop users, then one page for sysadmins and developers. Mel had the idea folks could print out the first page on the front of a sheet, and either the desktop page or the sysadmin/devel page on the other side, so it would be 1 page, 2-sides, and folks could pick up the sheet based on their interests. Anyway here is the PDF file with all 3 pages: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/release% 20notes/f12/F12ReleaseNotes-All.pdf (Thank goodness Ryan Lerch introduced me to pdfmod, it made combining them into one file very easy) The individual PDF files and Inkscape SVG source are here: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/release%20notes/f12 (btw, I didn't use Scribus because the latest Scribus release, as I found and was also discovered by jimmac and andreasn of GNOME in IRC today, is a bit of a stinker :( ) ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: F12 One-Page Release Notes PDF
On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 18:41 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/release% 20notes/f12/F12ReleaseNotes-All.pdf Oh! I forgot to mention it is designed for A4. So if you are using Letter-sized paper, make sure you tell the printer to center the document. Otherwise it'll print out all spaced out weird on the page. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora 12 tour
On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 00:38 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/07/2009 11:11 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote: So I added a section on tablet support. Hope it's okay. Sad to say none of the apps mentioned (gimp, inkscape, cellwriter, xournal) are installed by default - does that mean we can't use the material? Does that case apply for Live Media (Live CD)? I was surprised to notice Gimp was not included in default (what application made it for that removal). I also added a photo for bluetooth headset support. Is that meditation? (^w^) If you think it's a bad pose we can pull it. I had one where I was smiling a lot more but it came out blurry ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora Insight sprint results
Mel Chua wrote: On 11/03/2009 09:40 PM, Athanasios E. Samaras wrote: Same here, also the images are a bit too slow during first download. When displaying block sizes via Web Developer add-on you will find that a lot of not strictly required div tags are generated. This leads to a generic slow down since all DIV tags have to be processed by DOM parser also. The quick fix may be to fix both the image itself (since the actual image is a fragment of Fedora Logo that can be re-sized or changed to the appropriate The images are more the problem than the divs. The divs are being spit out by Zikula and in many cases are not easy to remove. There are some images in the article that are very high resolution sized down in CSS. Those images are just test images in test articles and I would not expect would appear on the actual launched site. None of the images in the actual theme are that large, they are true to size. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora 12 tour
Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/08/2009 01:01 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote: I also added a photo for bluetooth headset support. Is that meditation? (^w^) If you think it's a bad pose we can pull it. I had one where I was smiling a lot more but it came out blurry Wise decision, not that pose is bad but can trigger some reactions. Like Rahul said, more smile please. ^_^ I can't take such a photo of myself and I couldn't find any volunteers to model, so hopefully someone else can provide a photo for there . ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora 12 tour
On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 02:11 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 01:03 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes Some more ideas for the tour too, but I don't know if they are official features or not and thus would make the tour too long? - Tablet support gets better with each Fedora release. It might be cool to point out that (1) no xorg.conf is needed for pressure sensitive wacom tablets, they work out of the box (2) xournal is a virtual notebook great for tablets and even without tablets (3) cellwriter is a handwriting recognition application that works great (4) inkscape and gimp of course rock with a tablet So I added a section on tablet support. Hope it's okay. Sad to say none of the apps mentioned (gimp, inkscape, cellwriter, xournal) are installed by default - does that mean we can't use the material? I also added a photo for bluetooth headset support. I forgot to note I took a screenshot of the desktop and blinged it. Nicu noted the screenshot in the F12 www.fpo front page banner design is too plain, so I plan on replacing that one with the base (unblinged) screenshot from the blinged up screenshot I did for the release notes: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:F12-relnotes-screenshot-main.png Note that in comparison to other distributions screenshots *ahem*, this screenshot shows non-proprietary / openly-licensed entertainment being enjoyed. :) It does not show proprietary / closed source / non-open content such as Twitter or Britney Spears or whatever. - free open source identi.ca is shown in empathy - Jabber is used as the protocol in the sample cat - GNote (no mono) is shown as the note-taking app - Wikipedia is being browsed - Rhythmbox is playing Dan Masquelier's album 'Wake Up' which is a CC-licensed album. All the other artists shown in the shot have CC-licensed albums as well. - and of course the wallpaper and the background behind the wallpaper and the actual composition were produced using the free tools in Fedora itself (Gimp and Inkscape) - should go without saying but it's still important. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora 12 tour
Hi Robyn! On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 18:01 -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote: When I read this thread I had a small idea - it would be cool if we had some sort of rotating banner / box / something with a photo of a person and the I use Fedora 12 for X or What I like most about F12 is Y... with their name and what they do. For example, mine might say something like, My kids use Fedora 12 for online preschool games -Robyn, a mom! ...just to show the diversity of what Fedora offers to a variety of people. Let users upload a photo and a statement and give them a chance to see themselves on the front page or something. Anyway, just, you know, coming up with my usual random ideas :) All the stuff we say Fedora 12 can do is fine and dandy, but it's awesome to hear about practical use cases from actual end users, with actual faces. Absolutely, I think it's a fantastic idea. Paul and I had mocked up something similar for the www.fpo redesign (slated for F13) a while back. Check it out (the 'I use Fedora block towards the bottom): http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/woot/page1.png Was thinking it could be a rotating set of stories what do you think? Would you be willing to be interviewed for a feature like that? :) ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
digg my blog post on F12
Hi, I recently made a blog post about tablet support in F12: http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/fedora-12-rocks-on-tablets/ I was quite surprised to find it had more than a few diggs on digg.com. Would you mind digging it too? http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_12_rocks_on_tablets Let's spread the word about F12 rocking far and wide :) ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora 12 tour
Athanasios E. Samaras wrote: Also as a note, we need to create and freeze a central moto (that has to replace or be included in the first lines ). I will include the nick '/Constantine' / in the page so we have an additional keyword for the engines. The central motto was already decided a while back - it is Unite. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora 12 tour
On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 01:03 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes Some more ideas for the tour too, but I don't know if they are official features or not and thus would make the tour too long? - Tablet support gets better with each Fedora release. It might be cool to point out that (1) no xorg.conf is needed for pressure sensitive wacom tablets, they work out of the box (2) xournal is a virtual notebook great for tablets and even without tablets (3) cellwriter is a handwriting recognition application that works great (4) inkscape and gimp of course rock with a tablet So I added a section on tablet support. Hope it's okay. Sad to say none of the apps mentioned (gimp, inkscape, cellwriter, xournal) are installed by default - does that mean we can't use the material? I also added a photo for bluetooth headset support. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora 12 tour
On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 15:43 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: It seems to me an additional tour page is unnecessary. I just want to voice my opinion, and if there's general agreement, we can knock that off the release deliverables page in favor of the new standard of a meaningful one-page release notes document. FWIW I love it. Let's fill it with screenshots and just consider it the tour. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: New blog post
On 10/07/2009 12:22 PM, Colby Hoke wrote: As Paul said, this isn't a Fedora video, so we can't drop the ND. Feel free, if you want to do translations, to email me directly and I'll put in in the creative queue here and get it done for you. (That said, if I get dozens of them, it may be near impossible, but I'll do everything I can to help.) If the translators could provide the translations in *.srt or *.sub format, would that make this easier? Then you don't need to manipulate the original video file at all... ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora News on Zikula
On 09/16/2009 09:18 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: Agreed, no one should have to hand code HTML to do this work! The way Zikula works on pt6 right now, they are going to have to hand code HTML when posting an article if they are linking images and linking within the document and out to other documents. I'd imagine there are WYSIWYG editors available for Zikula but we don't have any installed. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Slogan use
On 09/16/2009 10:27 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: I'm wondering whether we should think about placing the slogan prominently on the get-fedora page (get.fedoraproject.org) and having something more general on the front page itself, in the space currently occupied by the filler Free your computer in the mockups. Any thoughts on this? I am fine with this except we need that replacement, more general slogan now for this to happen for F12. If it can't, let's hold off on this until F13. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Slogan use
On 09/16/2009 11:29 AM, Mel Chua wrote: I am fine with this except we need that replacement, more general slogan now for this to happen for F12. Yes, I agree with Paul about moving the changing slogan to the download page. Let's fix a deadline with something like one week from now for the general slogan. I think the questions here are: * For Mo: Do you/Design have the bandwidth to incorporate a new general slogan into the website designs for F12? the design team has missed every deadline it's had on the schedule for at least the past three weeks, maybe more. so unless we are just slapping the text up on the front page and it's generic enough to go with any screenshot artwork we decide to put in the full size banner... no. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fwd: Re: Zikula theme status
Original Message Subject: Re: Zikula theme status Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:14:38 -0400 From: Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com To: fedora-websites-l...@redhat.com fedora-websites-l...@redhat.com, For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com Here's an update on where we're at now. Thanks to itbegins and affix for helping me out today! Here's the stuff still needing to be resolved: • Author names - I can't figure out how to get real human names :( not sure how. Also my method of linking to the author's profile is rather hacky. • Feature story - I'd like to have one story displayed in full blinginess on the front page, it seems the news module has a way to do this but I can't figure out how to make it work (how do you assign 'today's feature' to an article?) • EZComments packaging - we need someone to package this ASAP. Any takers? Here's the stuff that was resolved: On 09/10/2009 09:42 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote: • Images - This is my biggest concern right now. If you want to post an image in an article, you can't. It won't let you. It just spits out the img tag in plain text. :( Simon fixed this :) It had been disabled because of security reasons but since only admins can edit articles it's probably okay. • Comments - I don't know how to get comments forms to appear beneath articles. From searching the Zikula forums, I found out thatEZcomments is a plugin that does it, but we don't seem to have it installed and I'm not sure if it's okay to install. We need to have EZComments packaged - it not being installed is the reason the comments tags aren't working for me. • RSS - I don't know how to do this. We need one feed for all articles and ideally at some point in the future a podcast and vodcast feed. affix wrote a custom RSS feed but Simon pointed out Zikula has this pre-built in, it was just broken (bc of a config setting I tweaked, sorrys :( ) and it works now. • Links for sidebar articles - can't get them, variable is a mystery. When I use the usual variables all the sidebar article links (e.g., individual event details links) come up blank or point to the main article being displayed. Simon figured this one out. :) ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
usesthis.com interview
Hi, I was interviewed by waferbaby (Daniel Bogan) about my hardware/software setup and I go through my usage of Fedora in the interview: http://mairin.duffy.usesthis.com/ Daniel's got some really interesting interviews on usesthis.com, e.g., with Jakob Nielsen and Joe Hewitt (creator of Firebug). Also an interview with Danah Boyd from Microsoft Research who surprisingly uses a Mac... Anyhow since Fedora is mentioned quite extensively I figured I'd point it out. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Summit USB key doco
Forwarded Message From: Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Summit USB key doco Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:39:27 -0400 On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 19:10 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: I posted the document here, and if you see something vital missing please let me know. The finished product is due shortly. w Scribus :) I copied the files into the design team collateral dir, I hope you don't mind! http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Fedora%20Collateral/USB%20Key% 20Documentation/ Also, some quick feedback, take it or leave it :) None of it is critical, more stylistic so it may not be worth changing: You can even make changes as you go to make Fedora suit your needs. there's two makes here, maybe instead You can even make changes as you go to adapt Fedora to your needs. PowerPC based maybe should be PowerPC-based check out all the latest summit information through our handy download page. might want to capitalize - Summit Just doubleclick the Red Hat Summit 2009 icon on the desktop. might be cool to throw a screenshot of the icon in so it's blazingly obvious ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: foobar platform pre-decision
Forwarded Message From: Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: foobar platform pre-decision Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:16:03 -0400 On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 09:28 -0400, Mel Chua wrote: Jonathan Roberts wrote: 2009/7/15 Ian Weller i...@ianweller.org: At the meeting today there was general consensus to use Zikula for the Foobar project HUGE +1 on this from me... And me - it sounds like this isn't just killing N birds with one stone - it sounds like the Zikula effort already *has* huge, rapidly-moving, heat-tracking, dead-accurate stones with frickin' laser beams strapped to 'em, and is motioning at the flock of birds above and saying ...just point to the birds you want. Yes. Any bird... as the stones slice through the flock as upstream whistles directions, dropping quails into the open bags of the other Fedora teams... One question, does Zikula have podcasting plugins? ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
foobar rawhide weather report
Hey, I was going over the requirements for $foobar and I was thinking about the Rawhide weather report idea we had (check the upper right corner of the mockup https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/c/ce/FooBar.png ) The idea was basically we'd keep track of how broken rawhide was on a given day and report that as a parody of a weather report. I don't know if something like that would be useful, but if so, I think it should factor into the requirements. Similarly, there's an idea in the mockup to show live dents (please let's not use twitter). That might also need to factor in the requirements if we decide this design idea is worth pursuing. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: $foobar update
Ironically enough my first attempt to send this never went through either. No notification it was put under moderation either. ~m Forwarded Message From: Máirín Duffy du...@redhat.com To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: $foobar update Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:28:44 -0400 On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 23:42 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: Damn, I thought I'd sent this earlier but it didn't make it to list 'cos I used the wrong email address!! I've noticed the same problem. I've written many messages to the marketing list that never made it, and I never got any kind of moderation pending bounceback or anything. Seems like the settings on the list should at least be tweaked so you'll know right away you got moderated because you used the wrong email address. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fw: Slogan for F11
Resending cuz I think it got trapped by mailman... - Forwarded Message From: Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:51:51 AM Subject: Re: Slogan for F11 -- Original Message From: Paul W. Frields Can you make this take the form of a call for action? I like slogans that are calls to action and relevant to the artwork. The primary subject of the artwork is a mountain range that is meant to relate to Mount Olympus which is a holy kind of place. It's the highest mountain in Greece and was said to be the home of the gods. (thanks Wikipedia!) So I'm thinking verbs like: - alight - arise - ascend - lift - mount - rise - scale - soar E.g., Soar above the clouds Ascend to freedom Enjoy the view Elevate your computer blah blah ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: expand the user base by ... pointing people in the right direction?
Michelle Thompson wrote: I'm wondering what some thoughts out there are on maybe trying to point this tweeter in the right direction. I am more familiar with communications, and less familiar with the technical side (so I'm not qualified to help). Just wondering if we would encourage user help in social media channels. [or, if anyone has a pointer -- help docs? a mailing list? an IRC channel? a wiki page? :) ... I can try an @reply to this person .. .] sudo yum install make -y is what he is looking for in the future, this sort of thing can be looked up with yum whatprovides, like this: [du...@hellokitty ~]$ yum whatprovides make Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit make.i386 : A GNU tool which simplifies the build process for users ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: F11 background proposal
Michael Beckwith wrote: Keiran Smith wrote: Its a nice Image. But I think fedora should have a sleek backgroud with a web 2.0 style with a nice colourful gradient. My only argument with that is the fact that that would be following the trends, when Fedora is regularly viewed as the trend setter. It's obvious Max wants us to start a naked trend... I suppose it's better than the bacon trend... ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: F11 background proposal
Larry Cafiero wrote: There's something missing here . . . wait, don't tell me. Right. Togas. Fedora blue togas! Hmm I wonder if the T-shirt printers I went through for Boston FUDcon can do Togas... ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: T-shirt logo design tool
Paul W. Frields wrote: On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 09:21:30AM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Does anyone have suggestions for the tags for the Boston FUDcon shirt? So, how do things look for the shirt logo at this point? Is there something we're happy enough to pursue with the printers? The only *possible* monkey wrench is whether we want to have some sort of co-branding with OLPC and SugarLabs. I'll see if I can't resolve that today, if it's not too late. Do resolve it today if you can. I ended up not having time to work on the mockups last night so I'll try again tonight. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: T-shirt logo design tool
Does anyone have suggestions for the tags for the Boston FUDcon shirt? Thanks, ~m Máirín Duffy wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Charlie Brej wrote: Nicu Buculei wrote: Paul W. Frields wrote: Example: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/try3.png http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/try3.svg Wow, that's pretty cool! Any idea whether this would reproduce faithfully at the T-shirt printer? I guess some of the smallest fonts are to small, not sure about the print, but they will be impossible to read. Maybe adding a stroke will help with this too. Yeah, I accidentally reduced all fonts by 1 which effects the small fonts the most. (now fixed) I also just one of just the fedora logo http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/try4.png / http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/try4.svg Wow this is beautiful!!! Does anyone have any suggestions for the list of tags that we use? One idea we had in #fedora-art yesterday was to use the tags to not only give the basic info (january 2009, fudcon, boston, etc) but to relate the host city to the four f's of fedora... freedom (could be used for historical or current freedom-related events): boston freedom trail, boston tea party, paul revere's ride ... ? features (could be used for landmarks or cultural points of interest): big dig, zakim bridge, prudential center, museum of fine arts ... ? friends (famous people in the city or maybe from the city area?): mayor thomas menino, governor deval patrick, sen. edward kennedy, john f. kennedy ... ? first (things the city was first at, things that were invented there, etc): first public library in the US, fire truck invented, small pox vaccine invented, spring bed invented, truss-type bridge invented, stereoscopic x-rays invented ... ? What do you think of this idea? One thing that might be cool too is each of the four bubbles of the fudcon logo is associated with one of the four f's so all the tags that relate to freedom could go in one particular fudcon logo bubble... or we could just use the Fedora logo. Either way :) -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Cool install Icons?
Lucas - Linux Sys. Admin (CEFETCE/UAB) wrote: Lets put a smile on the instaler's face :D Sounds like a cool idea! Do you folks have any ideas on what some of the panels could be about? ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
fedora greeting cards
I had a wonky idea today, I was thinking maybe it might spark another idea. What if we had greetings cards, like season's greetings or happy birthday, that had a nice design on the front (maybe we could use some nice creative commons photos or open clip art designs), had the standard slogan / signing area on the inside right-hand side, and on the inside left hand side had some writing/explanation of where the artwork came from, the license, and how the recipient could scan it in or montage it or do whatever they like under that license. then maybe the back of the card could have a sleeve with a fedora cd (kind of like the money envelope cards, but fedora instead of money ;-) ) Just a weird idea I had in passing. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: So let's say, for the sake of argument, that we fold news.fp.o in as a sub-brand of RHM, and you get to use RHM infrastructure, and you're running the news.fp.o beat. Is that something you might be interested in? How do you mean a sub-brand? I don't know if you saw when I put forward my vision for what I'd like a news.fp.o to look like, but I'd like to try and get content up 3-5 times a week, and I think by building from existing content that already gets created, we can probably fill this quite easily. I don't know if that's more content than you had in mind for a 'sub-brand'. My other worry is that I'd hoped to use news.fp.o as a central location for promoting our various marketing initiatives, and promoting the Fedora brand. Maybe it's just me, but having a Fedora tag under RHM seems like it might weaken that mission a little, making Fedora feel even more like a Red Hat sub project than a stand alone project in its own right - but maybe that's just me being silly. This is a fair point, and one I think it's right to be concerned about. It's a set of tradeoffs, I think. I appreciate the benefits this would also provide us with, though. Being able to work with the professionals at RHM would be a really fantastic resource, and by using existing infrastructure probably save Bret a whole lot of headaches! So what if we could get separate branding for news.fp.o, running on the same infrastructure? I'm not sure whether that would help Bret or not... Could Red Hat Magazine's infrastructure handle the posting of the articles, but maybe redhatmagazine.com by default wouldn't show fedora tagged articles, and a news.fpo site could simply be a template that takes the redhatmagazine.com/feed.rss?tag=fedora (or whatever, something like that) RSS feed from RHM's infrastructure and posts it to news.fpo? ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: press kit
Hi Max! Max Spevack wrote: On Sat, 6 Sep 2008, wonderer wrote: I had a short look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Press and I miss a press-kit, a lets say press information document, a short doc where all necessary things a journalist needs to know about fedora is presented. Is there a need for it? If yes, I would be glad to write one. We had a Press Kit for the Fedora 9 release, a nice one-sheet that we would send to press along with a Live USB. I don't know where the source for that went (maybe pfrields has it), but I think it would be good to update/translate it for F10. I have the Scribus source for it here: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/presskit/presskit.sla (the generated PDF is here: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/presskit/presskit.pdf) ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora 10 Artwork Appeals to Pastafarians and Gearheads
Ian Weller wrote: On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 08:08:13AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: http://ostatic.com/173183-blog/fedora-10-artwork-appeals-to-pastafarians-and-gearheads Ah, I'm glad that we're starting to see a lot more hey Fedora art is gonna be cool! articles -- and even LinuxLoop's article (the original one linked from this one) is extremely positive. Good work, everyone! I'm really happy that Samuele and Michael have stepped up to the plate this time, it's going to be really hard for us to make a choice! :) ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
four f's iconography
Hey folks, So in the marketing meeting we briefly discussed the status of the Four F's posters and such. I think the best idea is to use the design of the three fedora principles posters we have now, but instead make them focus on the four F's, and replace the Fedora logo parts in the posters with icons specifically drawn to represent the four f's. I've attached a rough sketch of my suggestions for the ideas. They are rough sketches so discussion can focus on the concepts rather than the rendering. Features was the toughest one - but let's talk through them all if you have any issues with them conceptually and come up with the best representations. Sound cool? :) ~m inline: -sketch.png-- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: four f's iconography
Máirín Duffy wrote: I've attached a rough sketch of my suggestions for the ideas. They are rough sketches so discussion can focus on the concepts rather than the rendering. Features was the toughest one - but let's talk through them all if you have any issues with them conceptually and come up with the best representations. So here's some of the feedback from irc: ke4qqq mizmo: is that a freebird lol * ke4qqq imagines Fedora theme music now mizmo ke4qqq, hehe * mizmo whips out lighter and waves it in the air inode0 ok, that friend definitely needs a lighter ke4qqq lol tw2113 coincidence? i think not! ke4qqq perhaps an f instead of a guitar like this: http://cdn.overstock.com/images/products/3/L10774462.jpg so some ideas from this: freedom - maybe use a pair of wings instead of a bird - maybe use an 'f' with a pair of wings stickster mizmo: (On a happier note, I return to art...) For your four icons stickster the only thing I might have suggested for features was a gourmet covered dish being delivered but I think that's too vague. mizmo stickster, ooh interesting idea mizmo stickster, maybe a butler with a lidded dish stickster mizmo: Exactly features: - butler with a lidded dish Any other ideas? :) ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: four f's iconography
Jonathan Roberts wrote: On 22 Aug 2008, at 17:05, Máirín Duffy wrote: Hey folks, So in the marketing meeting we briefly discussed the status of the Four F's posters and such. I think the best idea is to use the design of the three fedora principles posters we have now, but instead make them focus on the four F's, and replace the Fedora logo parts in the posters with icons specifically drawn to represent the four f's. One thing that I mentioned briefly last night before you arrived was whether developing new graphics to project what the project stands for risks diluting our brand? With the new graphics and slogan + the current logo (which we're not changing, right?), we have two different ideas that we're putting across to people. I kind of wish I'd thought of this back when we originally discussed them, although it might be a complete non-issue anyway. I don't *think* it's going to be an issue - think of the four foundations as more a particular Fedora campaign... the iconography should be done in the same style as the logo artwork, for example, but in no way is meant to replace it or supercede it. We'll use the standard Fedora fonts and colors etc. when doing it so hopefully it'll be a nice extension that we can rotate out if need be. Does that make sense? ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Spreading Fedora
Hey Svetoslav! Svetoslav P. Chukov wrote: Hello, I am a big fan of Fedora and recently I decided to increase my participation. I would love to see Fedora to become more popular and widely used. So, I created the site SpreadFedora.org http://SpreadFedora.org with hope to do that. But I would like to ask for help. As I am concerned about some trademark questions and I would like to ask if such a site (since it is not part of any Fedora/RedHat projects) could be a breach of any trademarks or marketing rules of Fedora. The site would be about spreading and helping users to migrate to Fedora. It's main purpose is to help users to learn more and migrate flawlessly. I think we have a need for such a site for Fedora! :) It's something we've discussed sometimes in the Fedora marketing meeting, so I'm happy to see you have an interest in making it happen! Would you have time today to make the Fedora marketing meeting to talk about your ideas? It's 19:00 UTC (3 PM EDT) in #fedora-mktg on freenode. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora promoting videos
Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Colby Hoke [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's something that will need to come from the community and I'm working at doing stuff using OSS - it's just not where I need it to be for my daily job. I wonder, is there an appropriate developer's conference situation where we could make a short presentation about what people like you need in video production for 'daily job' activities in a way that inspired someone to take up the challenge and create the application? The real trick is finding those few key people who know enough about what you need, and have enough coding experience to put a functional application on the map in the space with just enough initial features to build a community around it that can add more features over time. Can we as a project organize a posh, snack laden, hack session at a conference to do this? Would developer attendees participate? Am I smoking crack? Strangely enough while normally I'd suggest LGM [1] for this, it seems they don't really cover the FOSS video editing tools. I wonder if there is a separate conference for FOSS video tools. ~m [1] http://www.libregraphicsmeeting.org/2008/index.php?lang=en -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora promoting videos
Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if there is a separate conference for FOSS video tools. That would be a very small conference LGM is pretty big, are you so sure it would be very small? Is there a gstreamer specific conference? Because ultimately that's what we are talking about... building a gstreamer application that would compliment what pitivi is meant to be. A lot of Fluendo folks go to GUADEC, I wouldn't be the person to ask about a gstreamer specific conference though. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: business card sizes
Ian Weller wrote: On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 07:12:07PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Funny that no 2.5x3 is listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_card#Dimensions Errr. I meant 2x3.5. /me fail You know, I usually cheat when looking for these kind of document sizes and I look at what sizes glabels supports... ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora disconnection?
Paul W. Frields wrote: Well hush my mouth, this sounds great. But the key factor is the target part -- and mostly the studies that I've seen users advocate is a limitless problem set, without boundaries. So I mistakenly brought that knee-jerk bias to this conversation, which is my own fault. Ahh, I didn't mean it that way!! I have to totally agree with what you originally said, There is much more to usability testing than simply making lists of what people would like to see. I think a lot of people have the perception: 1. Do usability tests 2. ??? 3. PROFI^H^H^H^H^HThe next ipod11 I more wanted to highlight with the right focus (a very targeted scope for testing; you need to know what finely-grained and well-defined tasks that you've identified as the most critical for a specific application) usability testing can be something that ANYBODY can do and doesn't need to involve a lot of time or $$. However like you hinted at: 1. Usability tests on Fedora = $$, time, data not useful since it'll reflect on the Fedora of three or four versions ago by the time a study of that boundless scope is done (and since the tasks may not have been chosen strategically it might give you data on the usability of tasks that aren't even critical for your users to be able to complete) vs. 2. Usability test to determine how difficult it is for a new Fedora user to download, burn, and install Fedora in order to try it out - much, much easier to do. It's got a well-defined scope, is a task that is quite strategic and critical for Fedora's success (if people can't even download and run it, they would never see all the improvements in Fedora itself) I do apologize for beating a dead horse :( but as someone who has a usability and design background, I do get a LOT of questions on why we don't just usability test Fedora or usability test Satellite or usability test this or that to solve problems, so I think this thread maybe hit a nerve. :) I think there are a lot of misconceptions about how usability testing works and what you actually get out of what you put into it (you get a list of problems, not answers to them). So I thought it would be useful to make it more clear why simply 'usability testing Fedora' is not really something that can be done. I think the more key thing is to identify those strategic tasks we want Fedora users to do. It would help identify the most important development priorities. Even without usability testing, we probably already have backlogs of bugs and complaints about those tasks that are hidden amongst the body of bugs and complaints about less-important tasks... And I think identifying the strategic tasks flows from what Fedora's goals are. Who do we want Fedora to be when it grows up? How important are less-technical users vs more savvy developers? How important is server capabilities vs desktop capabilities? The answers to these kind of questions definitely influence what tasks you want users to be able to accomplish most easily. I think projects like the Fedora foundations and the marketing plan that was done a while back (I can't seem to find it on the wiki now :() are really key for defining this. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora disconnection?
Hi folks, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 21:35 -0500, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: Like Paul suggests, maybe it would be a good time to conduct a usability study among Fedora users? I understand that Fedora advances through its contributors, but it's supported by its users. Just to be very clear, I'm not suggesting that the Fedora Project has the resources to do such a study. They're very time consuming and can be costly. So the chances are *very* small of all those costs coming out of our (equally) small budget. What I suggested was that interested and experienced community members band together to design and implement these tests. There is much more to usability testing than simply making lists of what people would like to see. It's a highly organized science of its own. Those difficulties translate directly into high costs, which is why we don't conduct them centrally. So while I agree that now is a good time to do it, that doesn't solve the problem of *who* is going to do it, and *how*. If it's any help at all, it is really really easy to conduct your own usability tests. You need to have a target for the test first. We did this recently at FUDcon for the Fedora website. I'll walk you through exactly how we did this quickly so you can see how to do it yourself: 1) First the Fedora websites team discussed what were the most important tasks we wanted users to be able to accomplish on our website: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00094.html 2) Then we came up with a testing plan: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-May/msg00320.html 3) Then we conducted a test! It did not take very long. Here's our report: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-June/msg00231.html Do note that usability testing doesn't fix problems. It identifies them. It does not identify solutions. However it's really valuable to see for yourself first hand how others experience what you're working on. I wonder if it would be cool to have a usability test a friend day, where some project or focus within Fedora gets together to write up a pre-defined set of tasks to test, and then we publicize the usability test a friend day. Then everyone involved in Fedora can find just one person within their circle of friends and run them through those tests, and contribute their usability report back. It might be cool to give some kind of recognition to the person who tests the most people and/or writes up the best reports :) Even if only 10 folks were willing to go grab one friend and watch them try out some of the features of Fedora or our website, and then report back to us the experiences they had, we would have a really valuable body of data from which to understand what basic problems we need to solve to make Fedora better. It really should only each person take 20-30 minutes of their time per user they test. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora Contributor Stories
Clint Savage wrote: Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I recall seeing a discussion of 'User Stories' back a few months. There seemed to be very little response, but hey, its worth trying again I suppose. That's user stories tho not contributor stories. Contributor stories might be easier to get. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora sign
Paul Stauffer wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 02:03:31PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: Any update on this sign? If I remember correctly, Paul S. may have a place to print a poster if we can get him the artwork. Affirmative. I have a 42 poster printer that's just sitting here feeling bored. 42! Damn. Okay what dimensions would the final poster be then? 42x?? Give me dimensions and I'll reformat the letter size sign I did to fit that with room for a map. And do we have a map available we could add to a smaller handout flier on US letter sized paper? I can probably come up with one... Can you get one to me by cob today? I can get it added to the poster design tonight and have it back to you around 10-11ish tonight ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Announcing the fedoraLife Concept!
hi RazGriz, RazGriz wrote: Hi, i think that the problem is not inside the product *(fedora) but inside some minds...there are some people inside the project fedora *(here in my country i can see it every day in some ambassadors and other members of the project), they just say : Fedora is not for everyone cause we don't wanna be baby seeter of nuggets, or help then to play mp3 or install a proprietary driver etc. We need bring Re-humanizer the project if of course we want people that use ubuntu today. First of all, you told me that you think the problem is not in the product, but instead the problem is in people's minds. Then you talked about how Fedora does not have mp3 patents and proprietary drivers. The omissions of that software are very much fundamental to Fedora's purpose and philosophy, and they are very much a part of what Fedora *IS*. We won't be adding that software anytime soon. I really would prefer us to *not* talk about changing what Fedora is here. I would rather we talk about how we can best market Fedora as it is. Having a truly free operating system really is not mutually exclusive with having a usable operating system. There is nothing about being free and doing the right thing that means life must be hard. People perceive it as being such. How can we change people's perceptions of Fedora's freedom so that they are less afraid of it? Again, let's not change Fedora, please! Second, in an odd way of thinking This has already happened, sort of. The Fedora Art Studio spin does use that is found within the distribution to build something that you here have coined 'fedoraLife'. The Art Studio spin is currently on hold. Help needed. Well, i wanna help with it, i have a lot of experience with computer graphics made with free software , how i can help? is there a link to the sub project? can i bring more people to help? Duvelle provided a link earlier in the thread. I will re-post it: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio I would love if you would be willing to help with this spin. I built a ks file for the spin a long time ago, it probably sucks and needs some modifications, but it is here: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/b/b7/Artwork_ArtTeamProjects_FedoraArtStudio_artstudio-ks-oct_6_2007.cfg You will also need to add the following packages to it: * gimp-lqr-plugin * gimp-resynthesizer * ufraw-gimp * nip2 * GREYCstoration-gimp * mathmap We could also use some help getting fonts packaged up for Fedora so they can be included in the Art Studio spin. There is a list of appropriately-licensed fonts only needing packagers here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Fonts/Triaging/Pipeline/WishList You can absolutely bring more people to help - we need all the help we can get! Thanks! ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Announcing the fedoraLife Concept!
RazGriz wrote: Hi, i agree with you, i just said their words, we don't need add this things to the core, we need change the way that we use to deal with the common user =], they just don't know nothing about the real freedom of choice and most of then just don't wanna learn anything about it, but we still can take then showing our stuff whitout proprietary packages, cause the most important thing for this people is not software, but yes what it can do, if it can bring new and good computational experiences etc =] . I think that we already make it but only with the ambassadors, its time to the developers, artwork*(i am parte of this team inside my country) and marketing directly move their actions to this goal, fedora is not just a system of another free software to me, fedora is a way of life and i am very proud of it. Sweet, we are on the same page then. Awesome :) One way I think is a good way to help change these perceptions is to make really cool stuff with Fedora and free tools, and then show it off. For example, I end up showing a lot of the graphics I've worked on to a lot of people, so I always make a point to let them know the graphics were made with Inkscape, Gimp, and/or Scribus. If we can make high-quality things using Fedora then people will see what Fedora can really do. And they will have solid proof, not just a perception or an idea based on what someone else told them. Fedora art-studio : I made an wall paper to start my engines, can i show it 4 you? If yes, where i can do this? Sure, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a good place. I don't know if we are going to be theming the art studio any differently than main Fedora at this point though. The biggest concern right now is to get an ISO built. If you are not so interested in building, you could help us pick out software to include in the Art Studio: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/PackageManifest Or you could help us find free fonts to include. The open font library is a good place to look. There's other places too like smashingmagazine.com usually has articles about new free fonts. Do note that to be included in Fedora the fonts must be free, so the fonts you propose to include must be under a license that is acceptable for inclusion in Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/LicensingGuidelines Sometimes, though, if you can get in touch with the font creator, they may be willing to relicense the font for us. The best license I think to ask them to license the font under is under the Open Font License. Add any acceptable fonts you find to: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Font_wishlist You could also pick out open clip art we could include in the Spin: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/Clipart Or templates, plugins, brushes, textures, palettes (colorlovers.com is a good site to go to find cool color palettes. You could easily build a set of gimp palette files from there) ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: fedoraLife Concept (condensed version) online now
Markus McLaughlin wrote: Okay guys, I hear what you say BUT Fedora needs basic tools for photos, yum install gimp video, yum install totem is kino in the main fedora repos? voice chats, yum install ekiga and burning DVDs yum install k3b ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Flyers for FUDCon BOS 2008?
Hi Rashadul, Rashadul Islam wrote: Hi: I can send the flyer i used in Fedora Release Event at Concordia and McGill University. That would be really useful, would you mind? ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: fedoraLife Concept (condensed version) online now
Lucas Saboya wrote: ok, people I got the idea that markus is trying to explain here, fedora as a Linux distro, you can install almost anything you want, BUT its not native from it, Actually, the Fedora Unity project releases a DVD and CD set of EVERY SINGLE PACKAGE in Fedora in one set of install media. They call it the Everything Spin. The problem with this is... it is 4 DVDs or 23 CDs. the big thing about MAC stuff is that all aplications come with the OS, ALL of it, and it is still a nice OS, becose its well done, the idea that markus is presenting to us, is to compete with the proprietary software for equal to equal, have the same thing they have, just better and free.. I really doubt OS X has applications that do all of the things a 4 DVD / 23 CD set of media for Fedora would have. I, personally just LOVED the idea of FedoraLife, although I'd like to discuss the name, but the project itself is a VERY GOOD idea, and if we can do this, and keep a clean, fast and powerfull compilation, fedora can really beat a LOT of other linux distros and maybe compete with MAC OS X, lets not forget that almost every MAC OS X user, uses it, becose they want something simple that can solve their problems, and these are the numbers missing on our user count :) So is the point to make a more usable version of Fedora? Or is the point to ship everything in the initial install? What is the goal you are looking to achieve? It seems really unclear to me. c'mon people let's not be stuburn and make this thing go rigth up! Ready to roll up your sleeves? ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Announcing the fedoraLife Concept!
Duvelle Jones wrote: Second, in an odd way of thinking This has already happened, sort of. The Fedora Art Studio spin does use that is found within the distribution to build something that you here have coined 'fedoraLife'. Now admiringly, the tools and applications found in Art Studio are not all geared for ease-of-use like Ubuntu Studio or the iLife suite. Wait a minute. How is Ubuntu Studio geared for ease-of-use? ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Announcing the fedoraLife Concept!
Duvelle Jones wrote: I'll be honest, I am not sure... Ubuntu is known for more polish than most distro's, so I am going mostly by what I have seen and heard. Doesn't mean that it's true. It's all smoke and mirrors. I think what Markus is getting at is that we need to develop that perception of usability and user-friendliness in our marketing materials. Somehow Ubuntu has managed to do this without honestly doing much of actual utility in the distro itself. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Announcing the fedoraLife Concept!
Duvelle Jones wrote: That would be somewhat hard to do, with fedora anyway. Why would that be difficult to do if Ubuntu was able to do it? I don't understand. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Announcing the fedoraLife Concept!
Duvelle Jones wrote: Just that we would be up against Fedora's ever so changing perception and at the moment, usability and user-friendliness seems somewhat off that perception. - How can you say Fedora's perception is 'ever so changing'? What is that statement based on? - How do you see Fedora's perception? How is it not related to usability and user-friendliness? That doesn't mean that we aren't, hell there is much in fedora that would turn that perception on it's head. But as with Red Hat, our own enemy would be ourselves and changing how people think when the Fedora Project. - How is Red Hat it's own enemy? What are you talking about? I guess I am most concerned about: - What Fedora actually *IS* - How we market Fedora for people's perceptions of it to be more fully in-line with what is actually *IS* and what we are striving for it to become. And I'm really interested in your ideas on the latter, especially. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: FUDcon photos release forms?
Russell Harrison wrote: I started a FUDCon flickr group after FUDCon 9 in January. Anything that is licensed CC-by or CC-by-sa should be acceptable for use in Fedora correct? Of course having a forum specifically granting the project the rights to use some content is safer but shouldn't the proper CC licenses be enough? I think you need the consent of the folks in the photo as well. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
FUDcon photos release forms?
Hi folks, One idea I had for FUDcon was to take as many pictures as possible that the Marketing and Art teams could use later to give our website and marketing materials a more personal touch, with pictures of actual Fedora developers and users. Does anyone know what responsibilities are involved in making sure that the photos are usable for this purpose? Do you know about (or maybe could refer us to) someone who would know about writing up photo release forms? ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora sign
Hi folks, Paul W. Frields wrote: The Red Hat Summit planning group is going to have an extra sign made up for Fedora featuring some quotations from the excellent press coverage we've been getting. Kara is working on pulling some quotes for this purpose. So here's another update. I got all the designs that were due today done. Here are the ones to label the conference rooms: - preview: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fudcon-signage/fudcon-signs.png - source: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fudcon-signage/Scribus%20Source/FUDcon-Signage-Source.sla - printer-ready: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fudcon-signage/Printer-Ready/FUDcon-Signage-Hackfest.pdf http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fudcon-signage/Printer-Ready/FUDcon-Signage-Lounge.pdf http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fudcon-signage/Printer-Ready/FUDcon-Signage-PresentationsAndHackfest.pdf And here's the large quote poster: - preview: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fudcon-signage/FUDcon-poster-f9quotes_preview.png - source: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fudcon-signage/Scribus%20Source/FUDcon-poster-f9quotes.sla http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fudcon-signage/Scribus%20Source/f9banner-better.png http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fudcon-signage/Scribus%20Source/f9banner-better.svg I'm working on a sign for FUDpub now. (Paul Staffer's suggestion - good idea!) I figure we can print those full color on letter paper (or maybe I can get some thicker stuff that'll go thru the printers here) so we can have a lot of them. Some lessons learned from this project: - Scribus 1.3.4 in Fedora is suboptimal. Bleeds and eps/pdf transparency don't work in this version. mrdoc from #scribus on freenode has a Fedora repo that will let you install Scribus 1.3.5 which is much better: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/mrdocs/Fedora_8/ - Apparently (I'm not 100% sure on this but I sure couldn't get it to work) EPS does not support transparency. At all. So I ended up using PDF 1.4 for the printer-ready artwork. Hopefully they'll be okay with that. - Rendering bitmaps that are 56 x 48 from inkscape is DAMN SLOW. Also, it won't work at 300 dpi. I ended up doing 150 dpi. If I had the time, I would have 'tiled' the renders meaning I could have broken the image out into 4 chunks and rendered each individually at 300 dpi and stitched them together later. I didn't have the time though (and seeing how slowly working with the full 150dpi render in gimp on a machine with 2GB RAM, I'm not sure stitching together the 300 dpi tiles would have been very easy!) So I had the 150 dpi image render overnight. I used the inkscape command line to do this too so I knew it was still working. So if you need to do large-scale artwork like this and you want it to be blingy past Scribus' SVG capabilities, make sure you have at least one overnight to get renders done. - Workflow Colors: I'm not sure if the colors will come out right but we'll see. For the conference room signs, pretty much all the design work is done in Scribus, so I set the Fedora CMYK values in the color palette in the document. When I imported the FUDcon logo SVG artwork, Scribus lets you replace colors so I replaced the RGB colors with the correct CMYK colors. That was easy. The quotes poster's artwork is a lot more complicated and there is NO WAY scribus can import the SVG for that artwork, so I rendered it to bitmap and imported it into scribus, and set the documents target to be 'for printer' rather than 'for web/screen' and also set it to use color management. We'll see how it comes out! ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora sign
Máirín Duffy wrote: And here's the large quote poster: I forgot to post the printer-ready file for this: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/collateral/fudcon-signage/Printer-Ready/FUDcon-poster-f9quotes.pdf ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora sign
Hey peeps, Paul W. Frields wrote: The Red Hat Summit planning group is going to have an extra sign made up for Fedora featuring some quotations from the excellent press coverage we've been getting. Kara is working on pulling some quotes for this purpose. So here's an update to keep you all in the loop: - We're going to need 4 sign designs for FUDcon: -- 1 large quote sign, 44x56 inches (quotes below) -- 3 conference room signs, 22x28 inches: --- FUDCon Boston 2008 logo + Text: Hackfest --- FUDCon Boston 2008 logo + Text: Presentations / Hackfest --- FUDCon Boston 2008 logo + Text: Lounge The file/format requirements are as follows: - Full quarter inch bleed - CMYK color (need scribus!) - EPS (need scribus!) My workflow is probably going to be to do NO ALPHA GRADIENT artwork in Inkscape (Scribus doesn't like alpha gradients :-p), and keep the text and fills/gradients for the BG in Scribus. Because our deadline is tight on this I'm starting work NOW; I'll be in #fedora-art and likely will be posting works in progress there so if you're interested in helping out you're welcome to join in. :) ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fedora Store mockup
Hi, I took a stab at a front page mockup for the Fedora store. I have some ideas for the subpages too. I'm thinking basically the subpages will show all the possible products and maybe list which external sites you can get each in (for individual purchasing), and for bulk orders maybe it would have downloadable printer-ready artwork with recommendations by region of where to go with price estimates? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Store/Mockup#preview ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora sign
Paul W. Frields wrote: The Red Hat Summit planning group is going to have an extra sign made up for Fedora featuring some quotations from the excellent press coverage we've been getting. Kara is working on pulling some quotes for this purpose. I think mizmo reads this list, but if not I've cc'd the Artwork list. Mo, would the Artwork project be able to help us with a simple design for a sign? I've already alerted the Summit folks that we need to know: 1. file format required 2. size target for the sign 3. any other requirements from the signage producers I hope to have the quotes ready on Thursday morning. Would you guys be able to produce something by, say, Friday morning? Sure :) ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora 9 press kits
Rahul Sundaram wrote: Max Spevack wrote: New version attached that takes Rahul's suggestions into account. Looks good to me. Is the handout going to just plain black on white or do you want to add some nice colors in there? It looks a bit bland. I'm working on thatlol gimme 20 minutes ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora 9 press kits
Máirín Duffy wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: Max Spevack wrote: New version attached that takes Rahul's suggestions into account. Looks good to me. Is the handout going to just plain black on white or do you want to add some nice colors in there? It looks a bit bland. I'm working on thatlol gimme 20 minutes Okay, what do you think? http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/temp/presskit.pdf I designed it in Scribus. The Scribus source file (*.sla) is in the same dir) I'm going back now to incorporate the changes in the latest draft since this was based off the first draft. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora 9 press kits
Máirín Duffy wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: Max Spevack wrote: New version attached that takes Rahul's suggestions into account. Looks good to me. Is the handout going to just plain black on white or do you want to add some nice colors in there? It looks a bit bland. I'm working on thatlol gimme 20 minutes Okay, what do you think? http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/temp/presskit.pdf I designed it in Scribus. The Scribus source file (*.sla) is in the same dir) I'm going back now to incorporate the changes in the latest draft since this was based off the first draft. The version at the URL above now reflects the text of the latest draft. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora 9 Tagline
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 16:44 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote: Every release, we have have a tagline/slogan-y phrase on the Fedora website - for example, Fedora 8. Infinite Possibilities. Do we currently have anything similar for Fedora 9 (ideally, something that's translatable)? Fedora 9. Make Waves.? Awesome, I love it! ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora 9 Release Party Flyer Help
Jeffrey Tadlock wrote: Pretty bad, isn't it? So, show me what you can do. Work up a flyer that looks better than my attempt so Fedora can have a decent looking Release Party announcement flyer - I set the bar pretty low! What do you think? http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/blah/ ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora 9 Release Party Poster and Fliers
Grady Laksmono wrote: Hi all, Does anybody have suggestion and/or creative design, and/or ideas for the Fedora 9 Release Party? I'm trying to request a price quote to the printing service for the Los Angeles Fedora 9 Release Party, but they're requesting a specific design to be sent to them so that they could give me a price quote. I could design it myself, but I'm more a programmer rather than artists, and so I think that it would be better if I could get some real design from Fedora artists such that Fedora will appear much more professional for the Los Angeles Fedora 9 Release Party. Sending me some abstract design that I could customized would be really appreciate it. Here's the links for more detailed information: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GradyLaksmono/Los_Angeles_Release_Party http://acm.calstatela.edu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2487 http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#Los_Angeles_Fedora_9_Release_Party I just did this one for Jeffrey Tadlock; feel free to use it! http://people.redhat.com/duffy/misc/blah/ ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora 9 Release Party Flyer Help
Michelle Thompson wrote: I have one small suggestion. and then an even smaller suggestion/comment. :) 1) after the word 'release' in that middle paragraph, i think you meant a comma to separate and not a period +1 this was a typo i totally missed now, for a very tiny, subjective comment that you can totally ignore if you want to: 2) perhaps we ditch the exclamation after release party in the very top title? yeh i agree! it's too excited! too much coffeee! (took it out :) ) ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Associating the Red Hat and Fedora brands?
Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: A bit of a odd thing going on here. I just suggested a very similar idea very recently in the list and two people quoted you to show why I shouldn't do this. Apparently now that you are for it, I guess it is ok. Co-branding though is something completely different then putting a cute little Shadowman in some corner saying truthful things. Yeh co-branding is sort of putting the two brands at the same level or even combining them into one (E.g. ATT Wireless Cingular in the US). That is what I thought you had brought up earlier. What Greg is asking about now is a bit different as the RH brand in the proposed case would be, sort of how when you do a conference T-shirt the main brand is the conference logo and the sponsors are much much smaller brands on the back. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: your fedora story idea?
Michael Beckwith wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Ian Weller wrote: Potentially for getting the word out that Fedora is actively used by people from all walks of life, we could ask for users' stories on how/why they came across Fedora and how/why they use it. The (better) stories could be published in a random loop on fedoraproject.org (of course, after review) as testimonials. The exciting part would be asking contributors (most notably ambassadors) the same questions. The idea is still shaky in my mind but I'd thought I'd post it to see what everyone else thought. -- ian I think this is an awesome idea. I think if possible we should ask for photos of the people submitting stories if their story is selected. It will make the website more personable. It's always more inviting to see a website with smiling people right? :) Are we going to have real people take real photos of real fedora users smiling? or should we just find ourselves some stock photos? :P I was thinking of asking for the submitter's actual photos. Stock photos are... well, stock. And Fedora is not. :) ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Co-branding?
Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: We've already spend lots of effort getting rid of the widely spread prejudice of being Red Hat's pre-enterprise private little playground project or distribution, and explaining that we're actually a community powered project instead (Yes, sponsored by Red Hat. Yes, upstream to Red Hat's Enterprise Linux product *and proud of it, might I add*). I'm not even sure we actually did get rid of that prejudice entirely. It may still exist in some people's heads. Anyway, correctly and fully exposing how Fedora is related to Red Hat, and how that works for both the community and Red Hat, with mere mortals on the one side, and business customers on the other, is way more important then getting the long-term users back on board because they missed out on Red Hat renaming the free/gratis distribution to Fedora, making Red Hat their Enterprise product. Honestly, I don't think it's our problem someone missed out on all this back in the day. If they're really interested / valuable as contributors, it'll come naturally. If not, it'll still come naturally with the work of our Ambassadors and thanks to other exposure. Dell has provided Fedora with some resources so we have their logo up in spots, I think on some of the 404 pages and elsewhere, to give them credit for helping Fedora out. Doesn't Red Hat deserve some kudos for helping Fedora out as well...? ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Co-branding?
Máirín Duffy wrote: Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: We've already spend lots of effort getting rid of the widely spread prejudice of being Red Hat's pre-enterprise private little playground project or distribution, and explaining that we're actually a community powered project instead (Yes, sponsored by Red Hat. Yes, upstream to Red Hat's Enterprise Linux product *and proud of it, might I add*). I'm not even sure we actually did get rid of that prejudice entirely. It may still exist in some people's heads. Anyway, correctly and fully exposing how Fedora is related to Red Hat, and how that works for both the community and Red Hat, with mere mortals on the one side, and business customers on the other, is way more important then getting the long-term users back on board because they missed out on Red Hat renaming the free/gratis distribution to Fedora, making Red Hat their Enterprise product. Honestly, I don't think it's our problem someone missed out on all this back in the day. If they're really interested / valuable as contributors, it'll come naturally. If not, it'll still come naturally with the work of our Ambassadors and thanks to other exposure. Dell has provided Fedora with some resources so we have their logo up in spots, I think on some of the 404 pages and elsewhere, to give them credit for helping Fedora out. Doesn't Red Hat deserve some kudos for helping Fedora out as well...? Just to clarify - I don't mean co-branding as putting the Red Hat brand at the same level as the Fedora brand. No way. But listing Red Hat as a sponsor of the project, just as we would list any other sponsor, seems fair and appropriate to me personally. (full disclosure: I do work for Red Hat, but I wouldn't let that influence an opinion like this) ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: your fedora story idea?
Ian Weller wrote: Potentially for getting the word out that Fedora is actively used by people from all walks of life, we could ask for users' stories on how/why they came across Fedora and how/why they use it. The (better) stories could be published in a random loop on fedoraproject.org (of course, after review) as testimonials. The exciting part would be asking contributors (most notably ambassadors) the same questions. The idea is still shaky in my mind but I'd thought I'd post it to see what everyone else thought. -- ian I think this is an awesome idea. I think if possible we should ask for photos of the people submitting stories if their story is selected. It will make the website more personable. It's always more inviting to see a website with smiling people right? :) ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: your fedora story idea?
Scott Thistle wrote: I think MyExperience would suffice. fedoraproject.org will probably be somewhere in the URL anyway. Scott Paul W. Frields wrote: On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 08:48 +1000, Stewart Campbell wrote: Thanks for all the support! Lemee know what you think -- ian How about: - My Fedora - My Fedora Experience The old Fedora t-shirts used to say I Am Fedora i think... how about I Am or something like that? i-am.fedoraproject.org ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora Project Brazil releases online magazine
Davidson Rodrigues Paulo wrote: Any feedback will be very welcome. The design and layout looks great! Bravo! ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Press release on publican?
Hi Kerrin! Kerrin Catallozzi wrote: Hi- The Publican blog is now published on the press blog: http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/02/20/fedora-documentation-project-introduces-publican/. There wasn't a decided title to the blog, so I used Fedora Documentation Project Introduces Publican, but feel free to suggest something else and we can tweak this if necessary. Is there a way to open up comments on the Fedora posts? Or is there a reason there are closed. Was just wondering, I've seen a couple I've wanted to post a comment to in the past. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: separate fpo domain? (was Re: making the website better)
Máirín Duffy wrote: ubuntu has: ubuntuforums.org fridge.ubuntu.com shop.canonical.com wiki.ubuntu.com a separate domain for almost every 'spin' - kubuntu.org, edubuntu.org, etc. let's not forget launchpad.net too. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: making the website better
Any interest in knocking out some answers to the following questions? (1) Who is our target audience? (2) What are the goals of our target audience? (3) What are our goals? Máirín Duffy wrote: - Who is the audience for these pages? Who is NOT the audience for these pages? 1- Windows and/or Mac users looking for information on Fedora (what is it?) and try to figure out if it's the right choice for them vs other Linuxes? 2- *nix users who are already comfortable with *nix and want to see what Fedora is about (compare it to their other options)? 3- Fedora contributors? 4- Fedora developers? 5- FOSS developers not necessarily affiliated with Fedora? 6- Fedora enthusiasts? I personally tend to think the site should be catered towards (1) those who are not yet Fedora users but are looking for information about Fedora (think media, think potential converts) and (2) those who are Fedora users who would like some help using Fedora or some ideas on how Fedora can help them or who would just like to share their enthusiasm about Fedora. Any other thoughts on this? I think that contributors and developers are currently served by the mailing lists and blog planet and will in the future be served by the 'My Fedora' project. - What is the purpose of these pages? What is NOT the purpose of these pages? 1- To provide basic information about what Fedora is to a general audience? 2- To provide downloads of Fedora? 3- To recruit new users? 4- To recruit new community members? 5- To disseminate news and updates about Fedora? 6- To announce Fedora events? 7- To provide help, documentation, support for Fedora users? 8- To highlight how cool Fedora is, e.g. articles with examples of what you can do with Fedora, tutorials on how to do cool shiz with Fedora? (How can Fedora make my life better?) 9- For Fedora users and developers to discuss Fedora? 10- To make available Fedora (and FOSS-related cultural stuff) advocacy materials (think spreadfirefox.org)? 11- To excite people about Fedora 12- To highlight specific features in Fedora 13- To highlight specific groups/projects within Fedora I kind of think 1, 2, 3, 7, 8 are most important to the audience members I think are who we should focus on. I think we've got all but 8 right now although of course we could be doing them much better. I think these are most important because I think these materials are most useful and focused towards folks who are not yet Fedora users - I think these might meet the sort of goals they might have (although talking to non-Fedora users about our website may enlighten us a bit better about what exactly their goals are. The goals I'm guessing they have are: Or this? :) 1- Figure out what the heck Fedora is. 2- Get Fedora. 3- Get involved in Fedora. (although I think this is probably the bottom of the list for them. We have to get them excited first.) 4- Find the answer to a problem they are having using Fedora. 5- Learn about what they can do with Fedora - get ideas for cool things to do with it. You can see the correlation of the purpose = target audience goals. That's only part of it, though. We also have to consider OUR goals as well. What are our goals for these pages? What do we want these pages to accomplish? 1- We want more users! 2- We want more contributors! 3- We want Fedora to look GOOD. We love Fedora and we want others to love it too! 4- We want to share FOSS and FOSS inspired ideas and culture because we believe it's better than the alternatives. 5- We want to help people. We want folks who can't afford proprietary software to get through school to have another option, to be able to learn and create new and cool things, to be able to share. We want Fedora to help solve their problems. Any others? Any of these on crack? If we can figure out which is the most important to us RIGHT NOW that can maybe suggest some first steps? I think if we figure out: (1) Who is our target audience? (2) What are the goals of our target audience? (3) What are our goals? Then, the things we need to display on the website and their relative priorities and thus prominence / complexity I think will become more clear. ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: separate fpo domain? (was Re: making the website better)
Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Feb 8, 2008 8:25 AM, Jeffrey Tadlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By bringing people into the Fedora community through a main landing page it should also make messaging to the community a little easier, as we would have one main place to put that special banner announcing the upcoming FudCon, Alpha and Beta releases, Gold releases, etc. Here's the problem we want to solve... too much information to dissiminate. I don't think a single landing page is going to work. You want a link farm, we can have a link farm, but I don't think it makes any sense at all to make the link farm the entry point for new people, nor is a guided tour entry point a good thing for existing contributors. What current contributors need and what potential contributors need are totally different and we need entry points which recognize that. On top of that, if we are serious about 'messaging', then we need an entry point which is dedicated nearly entirely to 'messaging.' That's sort of how messaging works right... you have to be on message consistently. I'm not afraid of dividing traffic, I'm afraid of shallow traffic... people who hit an entry point and lose interest quickly because the page has the wrong information and get bored... or too much information and they get lost. 100% agreed. I think right now the site has a bit of an identity crisis and is trying to be too many things to too many people and is only pleasing them all maybe 25-30%. Better to appeal a scoped out, targeted 30% of people 90%+ than satisfy 90%+ at a 30%. (make sense?) ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Generic Fedora Poster Designs for Events
Hi folks, I've updated the posters using the color suggestions from John Adams and the text Paul Frields gave me in my blog [1] (with one minor mod) and some layout suggestions from Robin Norwood in IRC (the original design had the infinity sign flattened, it's readjusted to resemble its position in the logo and some of the sizing of the logo elements is changed.) I'm pretty satisfied with where they are at now, what do you think? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral#head-3eacb7cfafb67dcefa9870863e51c8c16745db02 I think the copy is good enough now that if you'd like to translate the poster please feel free. The font that I created this with is MgOpen Modata which is OFL and available in Fedora, by the way. Thanks to everyone who helped out and provided feedback and encouragement, it is greatly appreciated! Thanks, ~m [1] http://mihmo.livejournal.com/52591.html?nc=14 -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Generic Fedora Poster Designs for Events
Clint Savage wrote: Do we have svg's of these somewhere? I want to put these up at LUGs and a couple conferences I attend. Are they approved by RedHat, not that it matters for my personal use... Absolutely, the SVG is in the same directory, just replace the png with svg in the URL. (http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/fedora-poster-designs.svg) I think the text might be kinda crack rock tho. I'm gonna make a blog post about them with the text in plain text to get a wider audience and see if I can get some revisions for the text. I really do want to change the background colors too, they are a bit hideous. :( ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fedora Banners Archive
I decided to put together a little spot in the wiki where we can collect all of the banners (and their sources) that we have made for www.fedoraproject.org in case they end up being useful for something else or maybe if their sources could be reused. The page is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/PromoBanners I know I am missing some, the fudcon one comes to mind (I think I do have the source for that somewhere)... if you can think of any I have missed please feel free to add them here. :) Thanks, ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Generic Fedora Poster Designs for Events
Hi, Joerg Simon pointed out to me the need for generic (e.g., not specific to any release or event) and re-usable poster designs for event booths. I took a stab at a 3-poster series. They are simple designs but maybe they would be catchy for an event booth. The palette could definitely use tweaking, I am sure there are 3 colors that would work better. I think the text is pretty hokey too. Actually, I think as I went along each poster's gets hokier and hokier ;-) Anyhow, here they are: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/fedora-poster-designs.png (svg in same dir) I think the general layout and approach (1) one fedora idea/principle (2) short explanation of what it means for Fedora (3) nice shiny Fedora logo could be a good one for the purpose. I think the repetition of three similar (but slightly different) posters in the booth would also look slick. I designed these posters with the idea that they could be roughly 36 x 24. (Standard US poster size, but could easily be tweaked for other specific standard sizes near that ratio.) What do you think? ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: making the website better
Hi Juan! Juan Camilo Prada wrote: So the people from the websites team encouraged me to lead an effort to work on this issue, im already thinking about the basic information the main site of the project should have and so im already working on the design of the new sections. Cool, glad to see that you are interested and ready to help! As a prospective member of the marketing team, i want to work on the website by providing the really important information about the project (for specific information we have the wiki) while, at the same time, working on some banners or sections to encourage people to join the community specially on areas that are weak on man power such as the websites team. Sure. So far this is the list of important items that should appear somewhere int http://fedoraproject.org on the Index (home) page I do have some questions here: * A small article explaining what fedora is (its already in the website) As you mention, this is already on the front page. * A small div with the News (Fedora Weekly News) What are you imagining here? A small preview of the latest few articles from FWN with links to more detailed stories? How important is this relative to the other ideas? * A direct link (or links) to download the liveCDS or iso DVD We already have this, no? * List of the mos significant Spins currently hosted on the mirrors The spins site actually already has some mockups made and just needs to be implemented. I would be very willing to help out with the html/css. Also there should be (imo) a new section which explain how to get help and support. Are you imagining something like this? http://www.gnome.org/support/ If any of you have another idea about some other item that should be in the main site share it. Here are some discussion points that I think could be brought up to help determine this: - Who is the audience for these pages? Who is NOT the audience for these pages? 1- Windows and/or Mac users looking for information on Fedora (what is it?) and try to figure out if it's the right choice for them vs other Linuxes? 2- *nix users who are already comfortable with *nix and want to see what Fedora is about (compare it to their other options)? 3- Fedora contributors? 4- Fedora developers? 5- FOSS developers not necessarily affiliated with Fedora? 6- Fedora enthusiasts? I personally tend to think the site should be catered towards (1) those who are not yet Fedora users but are looking for information about Fedora (think media, think potential converts) and (2) those who are Fedora users who would like some help using Fedora or some ideas on how Fedora can help them or who would just like to share their enthusiasm about Fedora. I think that contributors and developers are currently served by the mailing lists and blog planet and will in the future be served by the 'My Fedora' project. - What is the purpose of these pages? What is NOT the purpose of these pages? 1- To provide basic information about what Fedora is to a general audience? 2- To provide downloads of Fedora? 3- To recruit new users? 4- To recruit new community members? 5- To disseminate news and updates about Fedora? 6- To announce Fedora events? 7- To provide help, documentation, support for Fedora users? 8- To highlight how cool Fedora is, e.g. articles with examples of what you can do with Fedora, tutorials on how to do cool shiz with Fedora? (How can Fedora make my life better?) 9- For Fedora users and developers to discuss Fedora? 10- To make available Fedora (and FOSS-related cultural stuff) advocacy materials (think spreadfirefox.org)? 11- To excite people about Fedora 12- To highlight specific features in Fedora 13- To highlight specific groups/projects within Fedora I kind of think 1, 2, 3, 7, 8 are most important to the audience members I think are who we should focus on. I think we've got all but 8 right now although of course we could be doing them much better. I think these are most important because I think these materials are most useful and focused towards folks who are not yet Fedora users - I think these might meet the sort of goals they might have (although talking to non-Fedora users about our website may enlighten us a bit better about what exactly their goals are. The goals I'm guessing they have are: 1- Figure out what the heck Fedora is. 2- Get Fedora. 3- Get involved in Fedora. (although I think this is probably the bottom of the list for them. We have to get them excited first.) 4- Find the answer to a problem they are having using Fedora. 5- Learn about what they can do with Fedora - get ideas for cool things to do with it. You can see the correlation of the purpose = target audience goals. That's only part of it, though. We also have to consider OUR goals as well. What are our goals for these pages? What do we want these pages to accomplish? 1- We want more users! 2- We want more contributors! 3- We want Fedora
What would a Fedora Store sell?
Some ideas, let's brainstorm like mad and see what we come up with, no idea is too crazy: - professionally-printed blank DVDs/CDs you can use to burn Fedora to. Comes with a nice blank space for you to write in the version number / arch /etc. - professionally-printed DVD/CD labels again with the blank write-in space. - women's-sized and styled tshirts :) - at least 5 or 6 different tshirts that are stylish, not just a logo and a slogan but something your non-geek friends would actually think looked cool even if they didn't understand what Fedora was. They would pave the way for folks to ask what it is and for you to spread the good word :) - case stickers - sticker sized for laptop - laptop skins - posters... stylish cool designs... stuff that folks can hang up in their cubes or at their school - this one's a bit out there and would take some work but - what if as a Fedora 10 '10 version anniversary' thing we put together a nice book that ran through each release of Fedora with some information about the major features and nice screenshots and artwork for each? E.g. if you bought the special edition of the Final Fantasy 12 game :) It comes with a retrospective of all the games before 12 with a little summary of the plot and screenshots... I'm thinking something like that but in book form. - along similar lines, maybe a DVD of the videos that have been recorded of talks at various FUDcons - tie clasp, cufflinks, pin - something that can be worn more formally - tie!! - winter scarf and matching hat with a bright blue pompom!! ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: spins.fpo design
Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: On 11/1/07, Máirín Duffy wrote: Hey folks, Anyhow, I hope this gives a clear picture of where we're at for the blingtastic spins page; if anybody has answers/suggestions for the open work items above do share :) This is awesome :) Based on your mockups and your html, this is the best I could do. http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/ Nice :) Some of the css styles look a little different, is that intentional? What's the licensing of the image? ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: spins.fpo design
Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: On 11/1/07, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice :) Some of the css styles look a little different, is that intentional? no it isn't intentional. Well I took the http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/css/ which was the one everyone is using on fedorapeople.org Ah okay, what I can do them is merge your content into the stuff I'm doing to get a final polished version and fix some of the css differences. What's the licensing of the image? Trond Danielsen (a fedora contributor) took this picture especially for FEL. I guess he will release it under a free license. http://flickr.com/photos/trondd/sets/72157602788210383/detail/ Oh okay great! These look great and are CC-BY, perfect! :) ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
spins.fpo design
Hey folks, Just an update on the spins.fpo design I've been working on. At this point I am sure it will not make f8's release but I'd like to get it up as soon as is reasonable post-release. :) So, remember the mockups i did a while back? I started HTML-ifying them; I just finished with the main content for the spins details mock (still need to add the fpo template to it as well as the icons): - HTML: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/spins/spin-details.html - Mockup: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/spindetailsmock2.png The other HTML I want to do is for this mockup: - Mockup: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/spinsmock5.png (the banner at the top will be replaced with new artwork! something like this: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/temp/spins/djs.png) Overall I think the spins.fpo site should have the following pages: -- main page: introduction to what spins are | |-- spin details page | | | |- bittorrent tutorial | | | |_ what's my arch tutorial | |-- what is a spin / how do i use a spin page | |__ how do i create my own spin? page The open work items I see from a design POV are: 1 - Content for the how to create my own spin page (any suggestions on existing content I can use for this page?) (0% done AFAIK) 2 - Content for the what is a spin / how do i use a spin page? (any suggestions on existing content I can use for this page?) (0% done AFAIK) 3 - Mockups HTML for the 6 pages in the above sitemap (maybe 25% there) 4 - Finish DJ banner artwork for the main page (80% done) 5 - Obtain photos from willing Fedora users to represent the spins (25%, Manuel Amador has provided me photos, I may need to make a formal call for photo submissions or start taking photos of innocent vict^H^H^H^H volunteers around the office :)) 6 - Get all the content into i18n-able templates and into git... Work out a mechanism to generate a details page for each spin and get content into it? (0% done, any ideas?) Eventually I think we will need a spins 'directory' but thus far we have few enough spins we dn't have to worry about that yet. Anyhow, I hope this gives a clear picture of where we're at for the blingtastic spins page; if anybody has answers/suggestions for the open work items above do share :) ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Re: Get Fedora]
Christopher Aillon wrote: Mike McGrath wrote: Please vote on this: options are: Both Just gnome Man, such political votes really should be done by private vote. Would you like to set up a private vote then? ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Re: Get Fedora]
Paul Stauffer wrote: On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 09:10:50AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: That's actually up to the QA team, and AFAIK the kde spin is blessed already and distributed by the mirrors. This is a pure marketing decision. Do we want it on the get fedora page or not. And this is a matter for discussion, not for a simple vote. With this clarification from Mike, let's set aside our personal preferences with regards to Gnome vs KDE for a minute and focus on the marketing message here: What is the effect on the overall Fedora marketing effort of prominently featuring the KDE spin vs not doing so? My gut reaction is that it might help promote Fedora within the KDE community, which would be a positive thing. Are there any downsides to doing this from a marketing perspective that we ought to consider? There's an awful lot of choices on that screen. Adding another one will not help towards NOT overwhelming newcomers. If someone knows well enough that they want KDE over GNOME they are probably quite able to dig one screen down to get to KDE. Just something to consider. (how about just GNOME on this screen but next to the spins link, have something like (including the KDE spin!) next to it?) ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
