Opening Red Hat Magazine
I'd like to ask folks here on this list a question. If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying and producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red Hat Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be interested in participating in such a project? --g -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: I'd like to ask folks here on this list a question. If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying and producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red Hat Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be interested in participating in such a project? I am assuming you are primarily interested in hearing opinion from people outside of Red Hat but yes I would love to be part of such a project. I even suggested it a while back but if now is the right time, let's do it. Rahul -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd like to ask folks here on this list a question. > > If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora > community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying and > producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red Hat > Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? > > I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial > meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be interested > in participating in such a project? > > --g At first blush is sounds like a great idea, and would be a fascinating project to get involved with. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
2008/9/24 Greg Dekoenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I'd like to ask folks here on this list a question. > > If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora > community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying and > producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red Hat > Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? I think it's a pretty cool idea, and something I'd love to be involved in. My only concern would be whether this would be too close to the plans I have for news.fp.o site? We'll eventually get that running, I swear! Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora > community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying and > producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red Hat > Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? I'm going to answer this is two ways: Yes, this is a wonderful idea, and I'm wildly in support of it :) No, I wouldn't personally have time to spend in such an endeavor. :( > I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial > meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be interested > in participating in such a project? Given unlimited hours in the day, I would participate. Make it so, Mr. Time Machine! :) -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
Greg Certainly that it would have interest of the Fedora community in helping to produce content for the Red Hat Magazine. I believe that many other people would have interest in helping with this project. Erick Goes On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd like to ask folks here on this list a question. > > If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora > community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying and > producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red Hat > Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? > > I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial > meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be interested > in participating in such a project? > > --g > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- http://www.projetofedora.org http://www.mytoons.com/br4in *** DESIGN LIVRE *** <> -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: 2008/9/24 Greg Dekoenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I'd like to ask folks here on this list a question. If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying and producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red Hat Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? I think it's a pretty cool idea, and something I'd love to be involved in. My only concern would be whether this would be too close to the plans I have for news.fp.o site? We'll eventually get that running, I swear! So let's say, for the sake of argument, that we fold news.fp.o in as a sub-brand of RHM, and you get to use RHM infrastructure, and you're running the news.fp.o beat. Is that something you might be interested in? --g -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
> So let's say, for the sake of argument, that we fold news.fp.o in as a > sub-brand of RHM, and you get to use RHM infrastructure, and you're running > the news.fp.o beat. > > Is that something you might be interested in? How do you mean a sub-brand? I don't know if you saw when I put forward my vision for what I'd like a news.fp.o to look like, but I'd like to try and get content up 3-5 times a week, and I think by building from existing content that already gets created, we can probably fill this quite easily. I don't know if that's more content than you had in mind for a 'sub-brand'. My other worry is that I'd hoped to use news.fp.o as a central location for promoting our various marketing initiatives, and promoting the Fedora brand. Maybe it's just me, but having a Fedora tag under RHM seems like it might weaken that mission a little, making Fedora feel even more like a Red Hat sub project than a stand alone project in its own right - but maybe that's just me being silly. I appreciate the benefits this would also provide us with, though. Being able to work with the professionals at RHM would be a really fantastic resource, and by using existing infrastructure probably save Bret a whole lot of headaches! Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: So let's say, for the sake of argument, that we fold news.fp.o in as a sub-brand of RHM, and you get to use RHM infrastructure, and you're running the news.fp.o beat. Is that something you might be interested in? How do you mean a sub-brand? I don't know if you saw when I put forward my vision for what I'd like a news.fp.o to look like, but I'd like to try and get content up 3-5 times a week, and I think by building from existing content that already gets created, we can probably fill this quite easily. I don't know if that's more content than you had in mind for a 'sub-brand'. My other worry is that I'd hoped to use news.fp.o as a central location for promoting our various marketing initiatives, and promoting the Fedora brand. Maybe it's just me, but having a Fedora tag under RHM seems like it might weaken that mission a little, making Fedora feel even more like a Red Hat sub project than a stand alone project in its own right - but maybe that's just me being silly. This is a fair point, and one I think it's right to be concerned about. It's a set of tradeoffs, I think. I appreciate the benefits this would also provide us with, though. Being able to work with the professionals at RHM would be a really fantastic resource, and by using existing infrastructure probably save Bret a whole lot of headaches! So what if we could get separate branding for news.fp.o, running on the same infrastructure? I'm not sure whether that would help Bret or not... --g -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Greg Dekoenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd like to ask folks here on this list a question. > > If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora > community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying and > producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red Hat > Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? > > I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial > meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be interested > in participating in such a project? My main worry is brand marketing. When I think of Red Hat Magazine, I expect items/content written/produced for the Red Hat products: RHEL, RHN, RHCE, RH-DS, RH-IPA, etc. [Even though that has not been the general trend of the magazine.] I don't think Fedora as at least in my brain I keep them as separate entities. A Fedora Magazine I would expect items on Fedora Linux, Spacewalk, FreeIPA, Fedora-DS, Dogtags, etc.. Does that make sense to others? What would be the end product and what 'marketing brand' would it mostly embracing? -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: So let's say, for the sake of argument, that we fold news.fp.o in as a sub-brand of RHM, and you get to use RHM infrastructure, and you're running the news.fp.o beat. Is that something you might be interested in? How do you mean a sub-brand? I don't know if you saw when I put forward my vision for what I'd like a news.fp.o to look like, but I'd like to try and get content up 3-5 times a week, and I think by building from existing content that already gets created, we can probably fill this quite easily. I don't know if that's more content than you had in mind for a 'sub-brand'. My other worry is that I'd hoped to use news.fp.o as a central location for promoting our various marketing initiatives, and promoting the Fedora brand. Maybe it's just me, but having a Fedora tag under RHM seems like it might weaken that mission a little, making Fedora feel even more like a Red Hat sub project than a stand alone project in its own right - but maybe that's just me being silly. This is a fair point, and one I think it's right to be concerned about. It's a set of tradeoffs, I think. I appreciate the benefits this would also provide us with, though. Being able to work with the professionals at RHM would be a really fantastic resource, and by using existing infrastructure probably save Bret a whole lot of headaches! So what if we could get separate branding for news.fp.o, running on the same infrastructure? I'm not sure whether that would help Bret or not... Could Red Hat Magazine's infrastructure handle the posting of the articles, but maybe redhatmagazine.com by default wouldn't show fedora tagged articles, and a news.fpo site could simply be a template that takes the redhatmagazine.com/feed.rss?tag=fedora (or whatever, something like that) RSS feed from RHM's infrastructure and posts it to news.fpo? ~m -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
2008/9/24 Greg Dekoenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >>> So let's say, for the sake of argument, that we fold news.fp.o in as a >>> sub-brand of RHM, and you get to use RHM infrastructure, and you're >>> running >>> the news.fp.o beat. >>> >>> Is that something you might be interested in? >> >> How do you mean a sub-brand? >> >> I don't know if you saw when I put forward my vision for what I'd like >> a news.fp.o to look like, but I'd like to try and get content up 3-5 >> times a week, and I think by building from existing content that >> already gets created, we can probably fill this quite easily. I don't >> know if that's more content than you had in mind for a 'sub-brand'. >> >> My other worry is that I'd hoped to use news.fp.o as a central >> location for promoting our various marketing initiatives, and >> promoting the Fedora brand. Maybe it's just me, but having a Fedora >> tag under RHM seems like it might weaken that mission a little, making >> Fedora feel even more like a Red Hat sub project than a stand alone >> project in its own right - but maybe that's just me being silly. > > This is a fair point, and one I think it's right to be concerned about. It's > a set of tradeoffs, I think. > >> I appreciate the benefits this would also provide us with, though. Being >> able to work with the professionals at RHM would be a really fantastic >> resource, and by using existing infrastructure probably save Bret a whole >> lot of headaches! > > So what if we could get separate branding for news.fp.o, running on the same > infrastructure? I'm not sure whether that would help Bret or not.. I think this is doable on WP-MU, so I guess all it would require is creating a theme. (MU is what RHM uses, right?) One other thing to keep in mind is that part of the reason we've been working on MU for the Fedora side of things is that there was talk of setting up a blogs.fedoraproject.org, in the same vein as blogs.gnome.org. If this is still wanted, then the infrastructure will still be created whatever we decide to do. The strongest part of this idea, imho, is enabling greater collaboration between two parties who are both interested in creating Fedora related content. Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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+1 This concern makes a great deal of sense to me. I think there's some latent brand expectation going on. -Bill Cattey MIT On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 14:47 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > My main worry is brand marketing. When I think of Red Hat Magazine, I > expect items/content written/produced for the Red Hat products: RHEL, > RHN, RHCE, RH-DS, RH-IPA, etc. [Even though that has not been the > general trend of the magazine.] I don't think Fedora as at least in my > brain I keep them as separate entities. A Fedora Magazine I would > expect items on Fedora Linux, Spacewalk, FreeIPA, Fedora-DS, Dogtags, > etc.. > > Does that make sense to others? What would be the end product and what > 'marketing brand' would it mostly embracing? > > -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:57:53 -0400 (EDT), "Greg Dekoenigsberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > I'd like to ask folks here on this list a question. > > If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora > community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying > and producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the > Red > Hat Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? > > I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial > meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be > interested in participating in such a project? That sounds like something with which I'd be very interested in being involved. Part of that interest is based on my perception that Red Hat Magazine does a great job of transmitting information from the original sources so well, for example the articles on SELinux[1] and Func and Cobbler[2]. RHM is also a useful one-stop-shop for information from Red Hat events[3]. Material "from the horse's mouth" is hard to get hold of and is one of RHM's strengths. Do you think this could continue with a re-jigged RHM? Also, do you see any role for Fedora Weekly News? 1. http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/07/02/writing-policy-for-confined-selinux-users/ 2. http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/08/10/cobbler-how-to-set-up-a-network-boot-server-in-10-minutes/ http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/07/08/open-source-systems-management-two-conferences-two-talks/ 3. http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/06/27/red-hat-summit-session-slides-and-links/ -- Oisin Feeley http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OisinFeeley -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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Just to say, great idea!!..will be very much interested to be involved with. -Anwarul On 9/25/08, Greg Dekoenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'd like to ask folks here on this list a question. > > If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora > community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying and > producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red Hat > Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? > > I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial > meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be interested > in participating in such a project? > > --g > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Microsoft is not the answer, Mircrosoft is the question -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Greg Dekoenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to ask folks here on this list a question. > > If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora > community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying and > producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red Hat > Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? > > I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial > meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be interested > in participating in such a project? Beyond the obvious trademark mixing issues already brought up. I would need to have an understanding of how RHM goes about populating content now. Is it (a) RHM editors have to do heavy cultivating of original content by reaching into the RH corporate communication channels or corporate water-cooler backchannels to persuade RH employees to write content or in some way contract people to submit article? or is it (b)Submissions come in organicly for editorial review and the editors essentially pick and mold articles from the que? If its (a) we'll need to have discussion about how a public, volunteer editorial board would be able to do content cultivation without reaching for RH corporate channels to solicit people for content. -jef -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
Jonathan Roberts wrote: I think this is doable on WP-MU, so I guess all it would require is creating a theme. (MU is what RHM uses, right?) RHM is using Lyceum, *another* multi user fork of WP. One other thing to keep in mind is that part of the reason we've been working on MU for the Fedora side of things is that there was talk of setting up a blogs.fedoraproject.org, in the same vein as blogs.gnome.org. If this is still wanted, then the infrastructure will still be created whatever we decide to do. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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Hi Greg: Please explore the job description of RHM ? Regards, Rashadul Islam On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Nicu Buculei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >> >> I think this is doable on WP-MU, so I guess all it would require is >> creating a theme. (MU is what RHM uses, right?) >> > > RHM is using Lyceum, *another* multi user fork of WP. > > One other thing to keep in mind is that part of the reason we've been >> working on MU for the Fedora side of things is that there was talk of >> setting up a blogs.fedoraproject.org, in the same vein as >> blogs.gnome.org. If this is still wanted, then the infrastructure will >> still be created whatever we decide to do. >> > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Rashadul Islam -- Fedora Ambassador Canada/Montreal GPG Key 5557BFAC Finger Print 3869 732D FC43 92B4 2805 85DD C072 0238 4C74 3A69 -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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Rashadul Islam wrote: Hi Greg: Please explore the job description of RHM ? Well, it think a more important question is: how the job description will change after this opening? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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> Just to say, great idea!!..will be very much interested to be > involved with. One other comment I'll throw in on this thread: where was this kind of enthusiasm when I asked for testers and content producers to help with a news.fp.o? I gave a description that essentially pitched an idea very much like RHM, but it would have been the Fedora communities own tool. Did I go wrong somewhere in describing the project, or are people less interested because it's community run? So far the only offer of help I've had for testers was from Rahul, and the testing has been put on hold partly because I'm extremely busy this week, but partly because I don't know if we can do any testing with just the two of us! I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts on the reasons for this... Jon -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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>> If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora >> community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying >> and >> producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red >> Hat >> Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? >> >> I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial >> meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be >> interested >> in participating in such a project? > > My main worry is brand marketing. When I think of Red Hat Magazine, I > expect items/content written/produced for the Red Hat products: RHEL, > RHN, RHCE, RH-DS, RH-IPA, etc. [Even though that has not been the > general trend of the magazine.] I don't think Fedora as at least in my > brain I keep them as separate entities. A Fedora Magazine I would > expect items on Fedora Linux, Spacewalk, FreeIPA, Fedora-DS, Dogtags, > etc.. > > Does that make sense to others? What would be the end product and what > 'marketing brand' would it mostly embracing? Definitely. I'd rather see a Fedora Magazine too. It can use the same infrastructure, but make it as independant as possible to the eyes of readers (ie: not a *.redhat.com URL, Fedora look and feel, ...). We should try to separate the two brands. Of course RedHat is liable for Fedora, but if we use the RHM, we'll be seen as a RedHat product (which we don't want right ?). The recent "incident" already hurt the independance of the Fedora Community. Let's not perpetuate this situation. Regards, -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) French Fedora Ambassador -- "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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It is really a great idea, I would suggest that if we could start Fedora Magazine On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 1:36 AM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora > >> community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying > >> and > >> producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red > >> Hat > >> Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? > >> > >> I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial > >> meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be > >> interested > >> in participating in such a project? > > > > My main worry is brand marketing. When I think of Red Hat Magazine, I > > expect items/content written/produced for the Red Hat products: RHEL, > > RHN, RHCE, RH-DS, RH-IPA, etc. [Even though that has not been the > > general trend of the magazine.] I don't think Fedora as at least in my > > brain I keep them as separate entities. A Fedora Magazine I would > > expect items on Fedora Linux, Spacewalk, FreeIPA, Fedora-DS, Dogtags, > > etc.. > > > > Does that make sense to others? What would be the end product and what > > 'marketing brand' would it mostly embracing? > > Definitely. > > I'd rather see a Fedora Magazine too. It can use the same infrastructure, > but make it as independant as possible to the eyes of readers (ie: not a > *.redhat.com URL, Fedora look and feel, ...). > > We should try to separate the two brands. Of course RedHat is liable for > Fedora, but if we use the RHM, we'll be seen as a RedHat product (which we > don't want right ?). > > The recent "incident" already hurt the independance of the Fedora > Community. Let's not perpetuate this situation. > > Regards, > > > -- > > Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) > French Fedora Ambassador > > -- > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- "A positive attitude can really make dreams come true -- it did for me" With Regards, Aadarsh B Voice: (+62) 817 925 1607 -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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Jonathan Roberts wrote: One other comment I'll throw in on this thread: where was this kind of enthusiasm when I asked for testers and content producers to help with a news.fp.o? I gave a description that essentially pitched an idea very much like RHM, but it would have been the Fedora communities own tool. Did I go wrong somewhere in describing the project, or are people less interested because it's community run? So far the only offer of help I've had for testers was from Rahul, and the testing has been put on hold partly because I'm extremely busy this week, but partly because I don't know if we can do any testing with just the two of us! I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts on the reasons for this... It may be because RHM is already an established brand with a corporate link and a certain audience, so writing for it gives you more prestige. Or maybe because RHM used to pay for contributions? Probably is just because it is already running and working, not a "TO DO" item. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:06 AM, Nicu Buculei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >> One other comment I'll throw in on this thread: where was this kind of >> enthusiasm when I asked for testers and content producers to help with >> a news.fp.o? I gave a description that essentially pitched an idea >> very much like RHM, but it would have been the Fedora communities own >> tool. >> >> Did I go wrong somewhere in describing the project, or are people less >> interested because it's community run? >> >> So far the only offer of help I've had for testers was from Rahul, and >> the testing has been put on hold partly because I'm extremely busy >> this week, but partly because I don't know if we can do any testing >> with just the two of us! >> >> I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts on the reasons for this... >> > > It may be because RHM is already an established brand with a corporate link > and a certain audience, so writing for it gives you more prestige. Or maybe > because RHM used to pay for contributions? > > Probably is just because it is already running and working, not a "TO DO" > item. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com > Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ > Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org > my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > +1 nicu Fedora has all the resource to publish Fedora Magazine on its own. But, RHM is well known and it has already the corporate link, no doubt on that. More than, it could be a great way to promote / market Fedora along with RHM. -- Rashadul Islam -- Fedora Ambassador Canada/Montreal GPG Key 5557BFAC Finger Print 3869 732D FC43 92B4 2805 85DD C072 0238 4C74 3A69 -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: Beyond the obvious trademark mixing issues already brought up. I would need to have an understanding of how RHM goes about populating content now. Is it (a) RHM editors have to do heavy cultivating of original content by reaching into the RH corporate communication channels or corporate water-cooler backchannels to persuade RH employees to write content or in some way contract people to submit article? or is it (b)Submissions come in organicly for editorial review and the editors essentially pick and mold articles from the que? If its (a) we'll need to have discussion about how a public, volunteer editorial board would be able to do content cultivation without reaching for RH corporate channels to solicit people for content. I think we should try to get the current RHM editorial team into a Fedora Marketing meeting to chat about these sorts of topics. --Max -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Max Spevack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think we should try to get the current RHM editorial team into a Fedora > Marketing meeting to chat about these sorts of topics. Trademark and branding concerns may make the need for such a conversation a non-starter. But in the context of Greg's original question, I think you are right. If we are going to produce Fedora content using the RHM voice, we'd need to have a reasonably good understanding as to what has been successful strategies for cultivating RHM content, and what strategies haven't worked. I'm concerned that the underlying problem for us isn't the infrastructure but we haven't yet hit on a volunteer sustainable process by which we cultivate content. If all we wanted was to fill space with opinion-mongering. I'm your man. I'll get off the board by the end of the calendar year and dedicate the time I've set aside for fab email to writing poorly punctuated editorial screeds meant for Fedora magazine content. But you know what? I think that is exactly the sort of content you want to avoid as much as possible. If we want to set a higher bar than that, where we aim for some technical meat then I'm not sure we figured out how to cultivate that material. For example. a cleaned up version of Leenart's "Guide to Sound APIs" now appearing on his blog would be something I could see being lifted up into a magazine article. But since its already on his blog, is it no longer worth trying to recirculate in a dedicated magazine since the intended audience has already seen it on the planet? My feeling is, if we we going to do this, we need to figure out a way to make use of gatherings of community members as significant generators of magazine content which can be released over a period of time. Just for example if we had a Fedora "press" person at Plumbers, how much content could have been generated from personal conversations via audio notes or video footage? Can we expect a volunteer press person to pay their own way for a technical conference like Plumbers? Can we turn one of the attendees to a conference like that into a Fedora press person? Put a FUDCon in Fairbanks and I'll help you figure all that out in a controlled environment :->. -jef -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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> If all we wanted was to fill space with opinion-mongering. I'm your > man. I'll get off the board by the end of the calendar year and > dedicate the time I've set aside for fab email to writing poorly > punctuated editorial screeds meant for Fedora magazine content. But > you know what? I think that is exactly the sort of content you want to > avoid as much as possible. Jef, if you'd been following discussions about news.fp.o over the last year you'd have seen that this is exactly the kind of thing that I've been pursuing, arguing for a writer/editor work flow to ensure quality, and making many suggestions for different kinds of Fedora related content. Not all of the content suggestions I've made have been technical, but *all* of them are already being produced consistently by people in the community, or have been at some point in the past, and all that we need is a central location to pull all of this together. Having a skilled team of writers and editors, of which a number already exist within Fedora, will help to lift this content to even higher levels. > > My feeling is, if we we going to do this, we need to figure out a way > to make use of gatherings of community members as significant > generators of magazine content which can be released over a period of > time. Just for example if we had a Fedora "press" person at Plumbers, > how much content could have been generated from personal conversations > via audio notes or video footage? Can we expect a volunteer press > person to pay their own way for a technical conference like Plumbers? > Can we turn one of the attendees to a conference like that into a > Fedora press person? Put a FUDCon in Fairbanks and I'll help you > figure all that out in a controlled environment :->. > Much of this I've attempted before, asking for recording equipment at FUDCon, which sadly never materialised, and as I've been explaining before, frequently arguing for a central location to bring together Fedora content that is already being created. All the while, over the last many months I've worked with a number of people to try and make this vision a reality, and while it's taken us a long time, we're almost there with it. I'm sorry if this sounds frustrated, angry or exasperated, but I've been trying to pull this together for months, making many of these points repeatedly, but without any response. Then, to have people come along only repeating what I've said, with apparently zero knowledge of what I've said before is frustrating. Even more frustrating is that this conversation has come up now, so close to us being able to launch something. Where was the enthusiasm 6 months ago?! /me ends angry rant, apologies, and heads off to check that parsnips aren't burning > -jef > > -- > Fedora-marketing-list mailing list > Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list > -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 15:57 -0400, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: > I'd like to ask folks here on this list a question. > > If we decided to open up Red Hat Magazine, so that members of the Fedora > community were part of the editorial board, responsible for identifying > and producing great Fedora content for a broad audience, and using the Red > Hat Magazine voice directly -- would that be of interest to people here? > > I'm talking about running RHM completely transparently. Open editorial > meetings, an open publication calendar, etc., etc. Would you be > interested in participating in such a project? Late to the discussion and obviously biased, but yes. In fact, I have already decided to do that with Dev Fu. I have a draft proposal to the world of communities Red Hat is involved in. The idea is nearly analogous to what you are saying, but I had planned on running it all through myself so as to not have to seek approval. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 16:53 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: > Could Red Hat Magazine's infrastructure handle the posting of the > articles, but maybe redhatmagazine.com by default wouldn't show > fedora > tagged articles, and a news.fpo site could simply be a template that > takes the redhatmagazine.com/feed.rss?tag=fedora (or whatever, > something > like that) RSS feed from RHM's infrastructure and posts it to > news.fpo? We migrated to use WP-MU running from wordpress.com; if you look at Dev Fu (http://developer.redhatmagazine.com), there is a Wordpress bar across the top if you are a logged in user. I'll have to talk with Bret to see exactly what are limitations are in sharing content between blog instances. Sharing users is the easy part; we can add people with wordpress.com accounts as writers, editors, etc. I don't believe redhatmagazine.com itself has migrated over, just Dev Fu. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Jonathan Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jef, if you'd been following discussions about news.fp.o over the last > year you'd have seen that this is exactly the kind of thing that I've > been pursuing, arguing for a writer/editor work flow to ensure > quality, and making many suggestions for different kinds of Fedora > related content. I follow a little. > Much of this I've attempted before, asking for recording equipment at > FUDCon, which sadly never materialised, and as I've been explaining > before, frequently arguing for a central location to bring together > Fedora content that is already being created. All the while, over the > last many months I've worked with a number of people to try and make > this vision a reality, and while it's taken us a long time, we're > almost there with it. I'm not suggesting that a RHM "takeover" of the work you are doing. But, maybe an opening of RHM means an opportunity to access to additional resources that can help specifically with the things that are most frustrating. So its good to know exactly what has been frustrating your efforts. But in opening RHM means discovering new resources, or better allocating existing resources, to help specifically with the most frustrating aspects of the community vision, then that would be a good thing right? Subverting corporate assets for community benefit is a beautiful thing. > > I'm sorry if this sounds frustrated, angry or exasperated, but I've > been trying to pull this together for months, making many of these > points repeatedly, but without any response. Then, to have people come > along only repeating what I've said, with apparently zero knowledge of > what I've said before is frustrating. Let me assure you, I'm not trying to take credit or trump you or suggest that what you are doing is wrong. It's not wrong, and you get full credit. But at the same time I can't speak for you either. My main concern is just trying to make sure that key ideas as to where help is needed are expressed in the context of this conversation because new people maybe listening with new ears where they had not been paying attention before. If it turns out that people hear me for the first time where they haven't heard you before shame on them. If it turns out people are turned off by me...shame on me. If it turns out that I've reinforced what you've been saying all along...great! > > Even more frustrating is that this conversation has come up now, so > close to us being able to launch something. Where was the enthusiasm 6 > months ago?! I'm not overtly enthusiastic, I am cautiously wary. I can't speak to the timing of this conversation on RHM opening up. If RHM does decide to open up, we can't really stop them from doing that. My main concern is having them open up in a way that does not compete with community effort. So if they do open up. I want to know what they think they bring to the table, and what specific problems we need solved and see if there's a good fit for a combined community effort. -jef -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 22:42 -0400, Oisin Feeley wrote: > That sounds like something with which I'd be very interested in being > involved. Part of that interest is based on my perception that Red Hat > Magazine does a great job of transmitting information from the original > sources so well, for example the articles on SELinux[1] and Func and > Cobbler[2]. RHM is also a useful one-stop-shop for information from Red > Hat events[3]. Material "from the horse's mouth" is hard to get hold of > and is one of RHM's strengths. Do you think this could continue with a > re-jigged RHM? I doubt it would be a problem, and it would help distinguish the RHM content from FWN/fedoramagazine.org. > Also, do you see any role for Fedora Weekly News? This is entirely my vision of how this could work, so take it with that hefty grain of salt. * Consolidate writers and editors of RHM, FWN, and a to-be Fedora Magazine as one virtual team * Create 3.5 distinct web presences: redhatmagazine.com -- as it is right now, just with even more community-focused content fedoramagazine.org -- content that appears in RHM.com tagged as Fedora also appears here. Front page ticker shows FWN. news.fedoraproject.org -- news aggregation that may share some content with *magazine.(com,org) developer.redhatmagazine.com -- same mission as RHM.com, same relationship with fedoramagazine.org, focused on developer content * Work the editorial calendar and such to create a unique voice amongst them, while reducing the work each needs stand-alone. The Red Hat Magazine brand is definitely Red Hat, but it has spent a lot of effort over the years at creating a stand-alone voice within the Red Hat sphere. Dev Fu is in a similar vein. I think there is a lot of room to make a closer association and not lose on the community side, gaining all around. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 21:57 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > (a) RHM editors have to do heavy cultivating of original content ... > (b)Submissions come in organicly for editorial review ... It is more like: (c) After building up some reputation and the occasional ability to pay people, article ideas are submitted. The more you have published, the likelier your idea will get attention. People who are @redhat.com who get published are more likely self-starters who think of doing it themselves. There is room to work with product managers and others to craft "write article for Magazine" in people's goals/part of their job. I would expect that part to be arranged by @redhat.com people, and I don't hear any of them trying to run away from doing that here. In fact, if we can free up more of their time by making a steady content pipeline through a joint venture, they are more likely to be able to do that. Although I'm not speaking for the RHM editors, I was on that team for the first part of this year as a sub-editor for Dev Fu and am familiar with the issues at hand. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 08:07 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > If we want to set a higher bar than that, where we aim for some > technical meat then I'm not sure we figured out how to cultivate that > material. For example. a cleaned up version of Leenart's "Guide to > Sound APIs" now appearing on his blog would be something I could see > being lifted up into a magazine article. But since its already on his > blog, is it no longer worth trying to recirculate in a dedicated > magazine since the intended audience has already seen it on the > planet? > > My feeling is, if we we going to do this, we need to figure out a way > to make use of gatherings of community members as significant > generators of magazine content which can be released over a period of > time. Just for example if we had a Fedora "press" person at Plumbers, > how much content could have been generated from personal conversations > via audio notes or video footage? Can we expect a volunteer press > person to pay their own way for a technical conference like Plumbers? > Can we turn one of the attendees to a conference like that into a > Fedora press person? Put a FUDCon in Fairbanks and I'll help you > figure all that out in a controlled environment :->. You are hitting core parts of the discussion. I've been thinking about this stuff for about two years, with a few failed starts that mainly relied upon me, myself, and I. I can see a *ton* of methods and value to force multiply. Having a larger group of people in a joint community venture would make a big difference. Leenart's blog post is a great example. We have people writing good content for their blog that could be in one of the Magazines. Sometimes they approach us about re-circulating, which is great. Original publication first would be best. Bigger audience for all of us, etc. Like the value the planet brings, but more so. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Opening Red Hat Magazine
2008/9/25 Karsten 'quaid' Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Also, do you see any role for Fedora Weekly News? > > This is entirely my vision of how this could work, so take it with that > hefty grain of salt. > > * Consolidate writers and editors of RHM, FWN, and a to-be Fedora > Magazine as one virtual team > > * Create 3.5 distinct web presences: > redhatmagazine.com -- as it is right now, just with even more > community-focused content > fedoramagazine.org -- content that appears in RHM.com tagged as Fedora > also appears here. Front page ticker shows FWN. I think it will help if we allow contributions on derived distributions and forks too in this section. Some stress on advocacy and details of implementing different types of community/special projects should be in place. Members of the documentation team may also be required to join the fedora Magazine Team. > news.fedoraproject.org -- news aggregation that may share some content > with *magazine.(com,org) > developer.redhatmagazine.com -- same mission as RHM.com, same > relationship with fedoramagazine.org, focused on developer content Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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2008/9/25 Karsten 'quaid' Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 16:53 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: > >> Could Red Hat Magazine's infrastructure handle the posting of the >> articles, but maybe redhatmagazine.com by default wouldn't show >> fedora >> tagged articles, and a news.fpo site could simply be a template that >> takes the redhatmagazine.com/feed.rss?tag=fedora (or whatever, >> something >> like that) RSS feed from RHM's infrastructure and posts it to >> news.fpo? > > We migrated to use WP-MU running from wordpress.com; if you look at Dev > Fu (http://developer.redhatmagazine.com), there is a Wordpress bar > across the top if you are a logged in user. > > I'll have to talk with Bret to see exactly what are limitations are in > sharing content between blog instances. Sharing users is the easy part; > we can add people with wordpress.com accounts as writers, editors, etc. > I don't believe redhatmagazine.com itself has migrated over, just Dev > Fu. One thing that would be a problem with that is licensing. The content of all documents should be under a similar license.. and when you have extra authors.. do they retain their copyright or are they doing a work for hire (or signing over copyright) to the Magazine . However thats a non-technical problem (like trademarks, editorial control to make sure legal problems don't occur (plagiarism, trademark/patent/copyright infringement, etc.) -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Jonathan Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > /me ends angry rant, apologies, and heads off to check that parsnips > aren't burning Let me make a stronger personal statement. In the next calendar year, once I drop other volunteer commitments (both in and outside of Fedora), I will firmly commit to some regular form of content production using whatever community processes are in place. -jef -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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2008/9/25 Jeff Spaleta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Jonathan Roberts > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Jef, if you'd been following discussions about news.fp.o over the last >> year you'd have seen that this is exactly the kind of thing that I've >> been pursuing, arguing for a writer/editor work flow to ensure >> quality, and making many suggestions for different kinds of Fedora >> related content. > I follow a little. > >> Much of this I've attempted before, asking for recording equipment at >> FUDCon, which sadly never materialised, and as I've been explaining >> before, frequently arguing for a central location to bring together >> Fedora content that is already being created. All the while, over the >> last many months I've worked with a number of people to try and make >> this vision a reality, and while it's taken us a long time, we're >> almost there with it. > > I'm not suggesting that a RHM "takeover" of the work you are doing. > But, maybe an opening of RHM means an opportunity to access to > additional resources that can help specifically with the things that > are most frustrating. So its good to know exactly what has been > frustrating your efforts. But in opening RHM means discovering new > resources, or better allocating existing resources, to help > specifically with the most frustrating aspects of the community > vision, then that would be a good thing right? Subverting corporate > assets for community benefit is a beautiful thing. I agree completely, and throughout this thread I've said that I would love the assistance of the RH pros, and I think it's one of the most important parts of this idea. >> >> I'm sorry if this sounds frustrated, angry or exasperated, but I've >> been trying to pull this together for months, making many of these >> points repeatedly, but without any response. Then, to have people come >> along only repeating what I've said, with apparently zero knowledge of >> what I've said before is frustrating. > > Let me assure you, I'm not trying to take credit or trump you or > suggest that what you are doing is wrong. It's not wrong, and you get > full credit. But at the same time I can't speak for you either. My > main concern is just trying to make sure that key ideas as to where > help is needed are expressed in the context of this conversation > because new people maybe listening with new ears where they had not > been paying attention before. If it turns out that people hear me for > the first time where they haven't heard you before shame on them. > If it turns out people are turned off by me...shame on me. If it > turns out that I've reinforced what you've been saying all > along...great! I'm not worried about credit (for myself at least, I've done very little actual work), I just feel a little frustrated that this exact same conversation could have been had 6 months ago, and I wondered where everyone was then. In fact, 6 months ago we had a test instance of Lyceum set up on Fedora's infrastructure that could have been turned into a production instance, but there were not enough willing testers. I feel for Bret and Frank and all the work they've both put in, and I don't like the idea of that being wasted or ignored. My role has been minimal, just prodding these two along to keep the technical side moving, and trying to drum up interest here and on news.fp.o - somethign I've apparently failed at. > I'm not overtly enthusiastic, I am cautiously wary. I can't speak to > the timing of this conversation on RHM opening up. If RHM does decide > to open up, we can't really stop them from doing that. My main > concern is having them open up in a way that does not compete with > community effort. So if they do open up. I want to know what they > think they bring to the table, and what specific problems we need > solved and see if there's a good fit for a combined community effort. OK, and I like this thinking. Once again, I apologise for the angry sounding post, and it certainly wasn't directed specifically at you... just something in your tone in that post pushed me to explain some of my frustrations over the past few months! Jon /me goes to make cups of tea. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jonathan Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Once again, I apologise for the angry sounding post, and it certainly > wasn't directed specifically at you... just something in your tone in > that post pushed me to explain some of my frustrations over the past > few months! If I've got one innate talent, one super human ability, its the ability to prompt people to express rage and frustration. Maybe I should just give in to my destiny to be a super villain instead of pretending that I can use this power for good. -jef"geneticly predisposed to do evil"spaleta -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Jeff Spaleta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jonathan Roberts > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Once again, I apologise for the angry sounding post, and it certainly >> wasn't directed specifically at you... just something in your tone in >> that post pushed me to explain some of my frustrations over the past >> few months! > > If I've got one innate talent, one super human ability, its the > ability to prompt people to express rage and frustration. Maybe I > should just give in to my destiny to be a super villain instead of > pretending that I can use this power for good. > > -jef"geneticly predisposed to do evil"spaleta You would have to get rid of the beard and go for a goatee. -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice" -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
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On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 19:48 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > ... this exact > same conversation could have been had 6 months ago, and I wondered > where everyone was then. In fact, 6 months ago we had a test instance > of Lyceum set up on Fedora's infrastructure that could have been > turned into a production instance, but there were not enough willing > testers. You are experiencing "the Fedora participation effect." It is akin to what happens in other FLOSS projects, combined with a savvy yet slower moving corporate best buddy that throws our orbit into a warble. Two points: * Idea work need not be lost, it can be turned in to compost that feeds the next round of ideas in to fruition. * Critical mass is elusive, you cannot predict when it happens, and then you are in the middle of it. :) Be assured, all of the ideas and work are not loss, it was an important part of getting to critical mass. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
