Re: Gremlins! - Join Fedora captcha is Unreadable
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:01:41AM -0600, Clint Savage wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: I'm not actually sure, here's the app we're using: http://code.google.com/p/tgcaptcha/ It's a pretty easy change to start using Vanasco-Dowty but it gets tricky. neither one is particularly easy to read (which I guess is the point) -Mike Actually the Vanasco-Dowty is *much* easier to read (from what I see on their google code page). I can read the McDermott CAPTCHA, but it takes my eyes more effort and I had to squint a little. This is just my experience, but I think the Vanasco-Dowty would be a good compromise. Bodhi switched from Vanasco-Dowty to McDermott because Vanasco-Dowty was too hard for people to use. I remember playing with it and I think the issue was that Vanasco-Dowty is much harder to figure out uppercase and lowercase than McDermott. Note that that's not something you realize by reading the documentation -- that's only something you realize by having your captcha rejected because you typed CIKLOPSUVWXZ instead of ciklopsuvwxz. I'd love to see someone create a new captcha algorithm that was easier to use. I'd work on it myself but I don't know what a computer can or cannot read. -Toshio pgpLeoUenYcBC.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
Re: Gremlins! - Join Fedora captcha is Unreadable
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 06:06:30PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: I remember playing with it and I think the issue was that Vanasco-Dowty is much harder to figure out uppercase and lowercase than McDermott. Note that that's not something you realize by reading the documentation -- that's only something you realize by having your captcha rejected because you typed CIKLOPSUVWXZ instead of ciklopsuvwxz. Can we hack/patch it to use only uppercase letters? -- Ian Weller i...@ianweller.org Why, a four-year-old could understand this report. Find me a four-year-old child. I can't make head or tail out of it. -- Groucho Marx, Duck Soup pgpoezlOrv8Qo.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
Re: Gremlins! - Join Fedora captcha is Unreadable
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: And welcome, Alex! It's been nice meeting and talking to you in person at UTOSC. Now, about that captcha... :-) Is there really a known issue with those captcha ? Another user claimed to have difficulties to sign in fedora account: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-electronic-lab-list/2009-October/msg00026.html At present there are no known problems, can you get them to send a screen shot of the capcha our way? -Mike-- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
Re: Gremlins! - Join Fedora captcha is Unreadable
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: At present there are no known problems, can you get them to send a screen shot of the capcha our way? You have just asked him in your previous email. Chitlesh -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
Re: Gremlins! - Join Fedora captcha is Unreadable
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:32:42AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: At present there are no known problems, can you get them to send a screen shot of the capcha our way? Here's seven fairly unreadable ones, out of a random sample of about 40-50 refreshes. http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/captcha/ -- Ian Weller i...@ianweller.org Why, a four-year-old could understand this report. Find me a four-year-old child. I can't make head or tail out of it. -- Groucho Marx, Duck Soup pgpqIkQXrnOhR.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
Re: Gremlins! - Join Fedora captcha is Unreadable
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Ian Weller wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:32:42AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: At present there are no known problems, can you get them to send a screen shot of the capcha our way? Here's seven fairly unreadable ones, out of a random sample of about 40-50 refreshes. http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/captcha/ Pooh, this is an opinion one, I can read each of those without issue. We'll have to see what options we have. -Mike -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
Re: Gremlins! - Join Fedora captcha is Unreadable
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Ian Weller wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:32:42AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: At present there are no known problems, can you get them to send a screen shot of the capcha our way? Here's seven fairly unreadable ones, out of a random sample of about 40-50 refreshes. http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/captcha/ Pooh, this is an opinion one, I can read each of those without issue. We'll have to see what options we have. -Mike I don't think it's an opinion one as much as what a particular eye can see. In my case, I can read 'most' of them with little to no effort, but there were at least 3 that I had to squint or move closer to read. I've had perfect vision all of my life. What I don't understand is the value of having colored boxes that make it extremely difficult for the eyes to focus on the letters. BTW, I understand what a captcha is and its intended purpose, but I would argue that this is only one step of many for preventing computer bots to invade the fedora project. Mitigation is the goal here, I don't think it's possible to eliminate all bots, but it is possible to eliminate a few potential contributors because of something simple like this getting in the way. Cheers, Clint -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
Re: Gremlins! - Join Fedora captcha is Unreadable
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Clint Savage wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Ian Weller wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:32:42AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: At present there are no known problems, can you get them to send a screen shot of the capcha our way? Here's seven fairly unreadable ones, out of a random sample of about 40-50 refreshes. http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/captcha/ Pooh, this is an opinion one, I can read each of those without issue. We'll have to see what options we have. -Mike I don't think it's an opinion one as much as what a particular eye can see. In my case, I can read 'most' of them with little to no effort, but there were at least 3 that I had to squint or move closer to read. I've had perfect vision all of my life. What I don't understand is the value of having colored boxes that make it extremely difficult for the eyes to focus on the letters. BTW, I understand what a captcha is and its intended purpose, but I would argue that this is only one step of many for preventing computer bots to invade the fedora project. Mitigation is the goal here, I don't think it's possible to eliminate all bots, but it is possible to eliminate a few potential contributors because of something simple like this getting in the way. it's a new technology to us, I'd rather try to get it fixed before abandoning it. -Mike-- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
Re: Gremlins! - Join Fedora captcha is Unreadable
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Clint Savage wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Ian Weller wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:32:42AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: At present there are no known problems, can you get them to send a screen shot of the capcha our way? Here's seven fairly unreadable ones, out of a random sample of about 40-50 refreshes. http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/captcha/ Pooh, this is an opinion one, I can read each of those without issue. We'll have to see what options we have. -Mike I don't think it's an opinion one as much as what a particular eye can see. In my case, I can read 'most' of them with little to no effort, but there were at least 3 that I had to squint or move closer to read. I've had perfect vision all of my life. What I don't understand is the value of having colored boxes that make it extremely difficult for the eyes to focus on the letters. BTW, I understand what a captcha is and its intended purpose, but I would argue that this is only one step of many for preventing computer bots to invade the fedora project. Mitigation is the goal here, I don't think it's possible to eliminate all bots, but it is possible to eliminate a few potential contributors because of something simple like this getting in the way. it's a new technology to us, I'd rather try to get it fixed before abandoning it. -Mike Oh, I wasn't suggesting abandoning it, I think it's great. I just wonder if we could tone it down some. Sorry if I implied such a thing, I am excited to see that we're using CAPTCHA. Clint -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
Re: Gremlins! - Join Fedora captcha is Unreadable
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Clint Savage wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Clint Savage wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Ian Weller wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:32:42AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: At present there are no known problems, can you get them to send a screen shot of the capcha our way? Here's seven fairly unreadable ones, out of a random sample of about 40-50 refreshes. http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/captcha/ Pooh, this is an opinion one, I can read each of those without issue. We'll have to see what options we have. -Mike I don't think it's an opinion one as much as what a particular eye can see. In my case, I can read 'most' of them with little to no effort, but there were at least 3 that I had to squint or move closer to read. I've had perfect vision all of my life. What I don't understand is the value of having colored boxes that make it extremely difficult for the eyes to focus on the letters. BTW, I understand what a captcha is and its intended purpose, but I would argue that this is only one step of many for preventing computer bots to invade the fedora project. Mitigation is the goal here, I don't think it's possible to eliminate all bots, but it is possible to eliminate a few potential contributors because of something simple like this getting in the way. it's a new technology to us, I'd rather try to get it fixed before abandoning it. -Mike Oh, I wasn't suggesting abandoning it, I think it's great. I just wonder if we could tone it down some. Sorry if I implied such a thing, I am excited to see that we're using CAPTCHA. I'm not actually sure, here's the app we're using: http://code.google.com/p/tgcaptcha/ It's a pretty easy change to start using Vanasco-Dowty but it gets tricky. neither one is particularly easy to read (which I guess is the point) -Mike Actually the Vanasco-Dowty is *much* easier to read (from what I see on their google code page). I can read the McDermott CAPTCHA, but it takes my eyes more effort and I had to squint a little. This is just my experience, but I think the Vanasco-Dowty would be a good compromise. Clint -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
Re: Gremlins! - Join Fedora captcha is Unreadable
On 10/13/2009 10:31 PM, Clint Savage wrote: Actually the Vanasco-Dowty is *much* easier to read (from what I see on their google code page). I can read the McDermott CAPTCHA, but it takes my eyes more effort and I had to squint a little. This is just my experience, but I think the Vanasco-Dowty would be a good compromise. Yep and doesn't cause problems with color blind folks either. Rahul -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
Re: Gremlins! - Join Fedora captcha is Unreadable
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: And welcome, Alex! It's been nice meeting and talking to you in person at UTOSC. Now, about that captcha... :-) Is there really a known issue with those captcha ? Another user claimed to have difficulties to sign in fedora account: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-electronic-lab-list/2009-October/msg00026.html Chitlesh -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
Gremlins! - Join Fedora captcha is Unreadable
When I click Join Fedora and signup for a Fedora Account the captcha when I signup is very hard to read. Also, when logged in the option to change my password I found a tiny bit hard to find. -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
Re: Gremlins! - Join Fedora captcha is Unreadable
On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 11:10:06AM -0600, Alex Lutz wrote: When I click Join Fedora and signup for a Fedora Account the captcha when I signup is very hard to read. Also, when logged in the option to change my password I found a tiny bit hard to find. (This new contributor signed up yesterday during our fedora-event-splash FAD at UTOSC 2009, FWIW.) -- Ian Weller i...@ianweller.org This email meets or exceeds Ridiculous Acronym Standards (RASes) pgpRPsinR1Zv7.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
Re: Gremlins! - Join Fedora captcha is Unreadable
On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 01:06:21PM -0600, Ian Weller wrote: On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 11:10:06AM -0600, Alex Lutz wrote: When I click Join Fedora and signup for a Fedora Account the captcha when I signup is very hard to read. Also, when logged in the option to change my password I found a tiny bit hard to find. (This new contributor signed up yesterday during our fedora-event-splash FAD at UTOSC 2009, FWIW.) And welcome, Alex! It's been nice meeting and talking to you in person at UTOSC. Now, about that captcha... :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
