Publishing

[lomaxturtle]

Erika, Hiyedo and anyone else who likes the idea
I'd be happy to be involved  I think it would take planning about what kind of info we would include but I think so long as we state that people should discuss with an experienced vet before using any treatments we may mention then I think that should cover our backs. Maybe if anyone who wants to be involved has a think about the subjects that need to be communicated then we could all merge ideas and decide how we are going to structure the write up - It should be easier with a group doing it too - we could also post at the FIV group for their input too. 
 
Michelle, Bramble (who decided to eat Minstrels cat food and biscuits last night), Minstrel (who got left with Brambles food with no biscuits - but was ok so long as Bramble eats), and Buddy. 

RE: Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please

[tamara stickler]

Here's and odd pill disguiser for you:  Marshmellows!  
 
A friend of mine has a cat named Satan, (yeah, I know, but IF YOU ONLY KNEW HIM -the cat- YOU'D UNDERSTAND..the name is earned!), that could not be pilled.  Oh, he'd stand on a freshly delivered pizza covered up to his knees in sauce and cheese, but he'd still find a pill hidden in cheese, pizza sauce, meat..etc...When one day he stole a bag of mini-marshmellows out of the drawer and curled up with them hissing and spittin whenever Angie came close to himand it dawned on herlittle marshmellows.  Three years now and Satty gets his happy pill every morning...and there's a little less evil in the house.  (But go easy on the candy...too much sugar's not good for a cat!)Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





Tamara, you are right about the Pill Pockets… it does not work for all cats but if it does it is easy!  The strays I was feeding would not take them but a little ball of ham, liverwurst, or anything sort of smelly—they wolfed up!
 

Chris
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Mari,

 

For the record, Coebeio isn't Felv+, I don't know if that makes a difference, but it might, so I thought you should know.

 

Ok, red dyes.  That finding was just by trial and error.  It finally occured to me that when I feed her something with red dye in it...she'd break out around the face and neck & start vomittingnot right away...but within several hours...or a day.  I tested that ...and I'm now very certain that that as well as the salmon, shrimp & crab are all contributing factors to her break-outs.  NOT that she doesn't have them anymore...because she does..but they are less frequent.

 

Now I only feed her chemical free, human grade, no preservative, no antibotic added, free ranged-meat contained foods.  It seems to be helping somewhat.

 

As for canned food, Solid Gold seems the most palitable and best quality, healthiest, for Coebeio.  They have a website where you can order directly:  http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/

 

As for the allergiesMy vet is still trying to help me to figure it all out as well.  Getting rid of the dyes in the food helped.  Getting rid of corn in the food helped.  Not burning scented candles, not using deoterizors in the carpet ...helpedtrying to limit stress has helped.  But yes, she still gets breakouts...from time to time, and I just can't figure out why.  What makes it worse is I haven't been able to get her to the vet in ..oh, three years or so.  While she is an indoor cat, when she doesn't want to be caught...she can't be caught.  You can't even get close enough to scruff her.  I picked her up off the street as an adult, and the only reason I was able to then...is because she came willingly when I told her to get in the car.

 

One thing I will mention tho...not to upset you, but just to keep an eye out for...if your cat is frequently going off food that he would eat for a few daysIs he urinating more as well?  Is he drinking more?  When is the last time you had blood work done?  (My Quintapus started that...progressively "picky" eatingturned out his kidneys had started to fail.)

 

Oh, and with all due respect to Chris, yes try the pill pockets (but they cost about $4-5 a pouch), but not one of my animals, or my extended family's animals will touch them.  I used to hide pills in oyster meat, a little bit of tuna or white fish...scallops & sardines (rinse the salt) make a nice disguise...or even spam-(but only use a little bit spam has a LOT of salt).

 

Good luck.

T

 

Mari Kolbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


T:

 

Very interesting - how did you ascertain that it was the red dyes?  I have long suspected that it was the dyes in the various foods that have caused many of mine to vomit their food so I have been not feeding anything that obviously has colored kibble in it.  Are all the dyes marked as "Red Dye #xx" or are some of them disguised as other chemical names?   

 

How do Coebeio's allergies manifest themselves?  We currently have a four year old cerebellar hypoplasia cat who is a manx mix totally blind epileptic (his identical sister is totally blind and deaf).  He was fine up until about a year ago and then started digging around his face and neck - literally raw.  We at first thought earmites and had him checked.  All parasites, fleas, earmites  - negative.  His vet says food allergies and he has had a series of depo medrol injections which did nothing.  Vet has had him on several of the different single source protein foods - no change.  Currently he is on Royal Canins special allergy dry food and we are not seeing any change.   

 

We have to feed him canned food as that is the only way to get his phenobarbitol into him for his seizures and we tried s

Re: Flavia further update

[Barb Moermond]

She probably still smells like the vet - he just isn't sure she's the same kitty anymore - the smell will wear off.  This happens with my boys when they have to go in alone - whoever was at the vet gets picked on by the one who stayed home and it's because they smell different.Kerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:








Wanted to let you all know how Flavia is, but first I apologize for not being able yet to reply to your kind individual emails--thank you so much--it's been a crazy two days. 
Flavia's hematocrit went from 6 (or 7.5 depending on which reading) to 17 with the transfusion. She had dep and dex today (THANK YOU MICHELLE) and antibiotics--the vet did not want to put her on Pred, felt it would be too much for her--and tonight her hematocrit was up to 21.So, she's home, and acting pretty normal, eating drinking, going in box, and being very curious about everything in the room. She's sort of still letting me pet her but I think she's reasserting her feisty feral self as well. I'm sleeping in their room tonight. I took lots of pix of her when we got back tonight. One or two should be really good.
Snowball is not being nice to her--he's snarling at her. And she was his girlfriend not so long ago. Well, we've all been there, right. Still, I'm a bit upset on her behalf. The others didn't exactly welcome her back with open paws. She's alone in walking around and checking out the room. The others are all hiding (or snarling) as if she's a major threat to them.
We go back to vet on Saturday to check the hemato again. That will be a critical time. Please send positive thoughts for Flavia and for the test result at the vet Saturday.thanks again for all the fantastic support. It literally is a lifesaver. Kerry
 
 
 
 
- Original Message - 

From: Hideyo Yamamoto 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:49 PM
Subject: RE: Flavia update


Hi, Kerry, I haven’t seen your postings today, I am wondering how your baby, Flavia is doing after the transfusion – I hope she is doing better –
 
Love and hugs to you and Flavia..
 
Hideyo
 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzieSent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:00 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Flavia update
 

Dr Dodin called and said the hematocrit came back as 7.5. As I feared, it's nonregenerative anemia. She said we need to see how Flavia does tomorrow morning after the transfusion (she was also in an oxygen tent last time I saw her), and all being "well" will prescribe Depomedrol and Prednisone. My poor little furball. She must be terrified. She has to go back to the clinic for monitoring tomorrow am.--I'll be picking her up from emergency and delivering her there at 8am.

Katyis is a little pd off after his mission of mercy. Clumsy me, I couldn't get the bandage around his leg off properly--he kept fighting me. Now I see he succeeded doing it himself--didn't need my help.

I hope there's no return to emergency services any time soon. 

Kerry

 

 

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RE: Flavia further update

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Title: Message



It's 
such a pity. She could do with some R&R with the others. And she's back at 
the vet tomorrow, so this shunning could go on and on!
It was 
so sweet, too, to hear her squeak when she got home last night--being feral, 
they're pretty silent all the time of course. 
I like 
to think she was squeaking with excitement. She only did it once, and then again 
this morning--I slept in their room, and it was a single squeak from her that 
woke me up. She was looking right at me when I opened my eyes. She wasn't so 
keen any more to let me touch her, and I haven't been able to get the bandage 
off her leg yet.
Q: 
 If I have to leave it till I get to the vet tomorrow will that be ok? I 
don't want to stress her unnecessarily, and she's much more manageable when 
she's at the vet.
Another Q (mainly because the 
nice-to-Flavia vet won't be there tomorrow and I don't know the one who's taken 
over) re frequency of checking hematocrit levels after a transfusion and being 
put on Dep, Dex and Baytril (as is the case with Flavia).
I've 
forgotten what the vet may have said--whether the test should be run once, twice 
or three times a week. What do you guys think?
Thanks!
Kerry

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Friday, June 24, 2005 10:08 
AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Flavia 
further update
She probably still smells like the vet - he just isn't sure she's the same 
kitty anymore - the smell will wear off.  This happens with my boys when 
they have to go in alone - whoever was at the vet gets picked on by the one who 
stayed home and it's because they smell different.Kerry MacKenzie 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

  
  
  
  

  

  Wanted to let you all know how Flavia is, but first I 
  apologize for not being able yet to reply to your kind individual 
  emails--thank you so much--it's been a crazy two days. 
  Flavia's hematocrit went from 6 (or 7.5 depending on which 
  reading) to 17 with the transfusion. She had dep and dex today (THANK YOU 
  MICHELLE) and antibiotics--the vet did not want to put her on Pred, felt it 
  would be too much for her--and tonight her hematocrit was up to 21.So,, 
  she's home, and acting pretty normal, eating drinking, going in box, and being 
  very curious about everything in the room. She's sort of still letting me pet 
  her but I think she's reasserting her feisty feral self as well. I'm sleeping 
  in their room tonight. I took lots of pix of her when we got back tonight. One 
  or two should be really good.
  Snowball is not being nice to her--he's snarling at her. And 
  she was his girlfriend not so long ago. Well, we've all been there, right. 
  Still, I'm a bit upset on her behalf. The others didn't exactly welcome her 
  back with open paws. She's alone in walking around and checking out the room. 
  The others are all hiding (or snarling) as if she's a major threat to 
  them.
  We go back to vet on Saturday to check the hemato again. 
  That will be a critical time. Please send positive 
  thoughts for Flavia and for the test result at the vet Saturday.thanks 
  again for all the fantastic support. It literally is a lifesaver. 
  Kerry
   
   
   
   
  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
Hideyo Yamamoto 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:49 
PM
Subject: RE: Flavia update


Hi, Kerry, I 
haven’t seen your postings today, I am wondering how your baby, Flavia is 
doing after the transfusion – I hope she is doing better 
–
 
Love and hugs to 
you and Flavia..
 
Hideyo
 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry 
MacKenzieSent: Wednesday, 
June 22, 2005 7:00 PMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Flavia 
update
 

Dr Dodin called and said the hematocrit came back as 
7.5. As I feared, it's nonregenerative anemia. She said we need to see how 
Flavia does tomorrow morning after the transfusion (she was also in an 
oxygen tent last time I saw her), and all being "well" will prescribe 
Depomedrol and Prednisone. My poor little furball. She must be terrified. 
She has to go back to the clinic for monitoring tomorrow am.--I'll be 
picking her up from emergency and delivering her there at 
8am.

Katyis is a little pd off after his 
mission of mercy. Clumsy me, I couldn't get the bandage around his leg 
off properly--he kept fighting me. Now I see he succeeded doing it 
himself--didn't need my help.

I hope there's no return to emergency services any 
time soon. 

Kerry

 

 

   Barb+Smoky 
the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to 
whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and 
making me smile." - Anonymous


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Veterinary Questions

[Stephanie E Caldwell]

I have some questions about drugs and dosings, is there a rescue or vet 
who would be willing to help me? I have reason to believe that my vet 
tried to kill TeeCee back in April, but need an outside opinion before I 
go to them!


Steph

RE: Veterinary Questions

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

If you can give me a little more detail information, I can ask my vets
first (I have about three or four of them that I can ask)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephanie E
Caldwell
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 9:54 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Veterinary Questions

I have some questions about drugs and dosings, is there a rescue or vet 
who would be willing to help me? I have reason to believe that my vet 
tried to kill TeeCee back in April, but need an outside opinion before I

go to them!

Steph

RE: Veterinary Questions

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

That's shocking if you're right, Stephanie.
(I have to say I harbor fears about that happening to one of my FeLV
kitties when I have to use an unknown vet in an emergency.)
You could try putting the details to the group too. There are some
extremely knowledgeable members, as you know.
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephanie E
Caldwell
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 10:54 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Veterinary Questions


I have some questions about drugs and dosings, is there a rescue or vet 
who would be willing to help me? I have reason to believe that my vet 
tried to kill TeeCee back in April, but need an outside opinion before I

go to them!

Steph




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Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please

[Nina]

I've had luck hiding pills in cooked liver squished around the pill and 
hidden in a small bowl of 'untainted' liver.

Nina

Chris wrote:

Tamara, you are right about the Pill Pockets… it does not work for all 
cats but if it does it is easy! The strays I was feeding would not 
take them but a little ball of ham, liverwurst, or anything sort of 
smelly—they wolfed up!

Re: Flavia further update

[Nina]

Kerry,
It's good news that Flavia is feeling better, you know how much I pray 
that it continues.  As far as the others not welcoming her back with 
open arms...  Remember, she stinks!  She has that strong vet hospital 
smell on her that is very upsetting to kitties.  Even the best, most 
loving friends will hiss when the get a whiff of that nasty smell.  
They'll calm down when the stink wears off.  I know how busy you are, 
thank you for keeping us informed as best you can. 
Blessings and prayers,

Nina

Kerry MacKenzie wrote:

Wanted to let you all know how Flavia is, but first I apologize for 
not being able yet to reply to your kind individual emails--thank you 
so much--it's been a crazy two days.
Flavia's hematocrit went from 6 (or 7.5 depending on which reading) to 
17 with the transfusion. She had dep and dex today (THANK YOU 
MICHELLE) and antibiotics--the vet did not want to put her on Pred, 
felt it would be too much for her--and tonight her hematocrit was up 
to 21.So, she's home, and acting pretty normal, eating drinking, going 
in box, and being very curious about everything in the room. She's 
sort of still letting me pet her but I think she's reasserting her 
feisty feral self as well. I'm sleeping in their room tonight. I took 
lots of pix of her when we got back tonight. One or two should be 
really good.
Snowball is not being nice to her--he's snarling at her. And she was 
his girlfriend not so long ago. Well, we've all been there, right. 
Still, I'm a bit upset on her behalf. The others didn't exactly 
welcome her back with open paws. She's alone in walking around and 
checking out the room. The others are all hiding (or snarling) as if 
she's a major threat to them.
We go back to vet on Saturday to check the hemato again. That will be 
a critical time. Please send positive thoughts for Flavia and for the 
test result at the vet Saturday.thanks again for all the fantastic 
support. It literally is a lifesaver. Kerry

RE: Flavia further update

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Title: Message








My opinion might be biased (I have a bad
experience in the past)– my personal policy has been that I don’t
leave my cats or dogs for that matter especially, if they are feral at the vet
unless I have to do so absolutely – they often times discount the impact
of stress caused by “being there” – my experience is –
unless they have to be on IV or something and that’s critical to their
treatment and has to be monitored, my animals recover better at home.  –
if there are something I can do myself – I will do so or if not, ask them
to come to my house and do so.

I reinforced my belief when I took in
George, too – they eat better and they can sleep better when they are at
the place the know it’s home – sometimes, you can’ control
the situation at the vet, there are always some noise, emergency, people
talking loud..etc..they get so nervous, but they don’t know that is
stressing the animals as they are busy taking care of their appointments –
and these things will add to the stress which will effect their recovery.   I
was reading someone’s letter on line the other day about a cat getting
transfusion (I don’t think this was a feLV cat) at the vet, and she brought
the cat back to the vet next day, and she left her there for additional check
ups – sometime during the process, something happened to, and the kitty
stopped breathing and couldn’t bring her back – they did not know
exactly what happened – and they might never know – it could be
stress or could be something happened to the process- she was very regretted
the fact that she left it there because it was not absolutely necessary –
anyway, I had a similar experience – again please forgive me for being
biased..

 

I am glad that Flavia is doing well –
also, could you wait to check on her HCT for a while and you can watch her how
she does – I am sure that you are observant enough, if something is
wrong, you will notice right away, then you can bring her in for another check
up on HCT?  

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 9:28
AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Flavia further update



 



It's such a pity. She could do with some
R&R with the others. And she's back at the vet tomorrow, so this shunning
could go on and on!





It was so sweet, too, to hear her squeak
when she got home last night--being feral, they're pretty silent all the time
of course. 





I like to think she was squeaking with
excitement. She only did it once, and then again this morning--I slept in their
room, and it was a single squeak from her that woke me up. She was looking
right at me when I opened my eyes. She wasn't so keen any more to let me touch
her, and I haven't been able to get the bandage off her leg yet.





Q:  If I have to leave it till I get
to the vet tomorrow will that be ok? I don't want to stress her unnecessarily,
and she's much more manageable when she's at the vet.





Another Q (mainly because the
nice-to-Flavia vet won't be there tomorrow and I don't know the one who's taken
over) re frequency of checking hematocrit levels after a transfusion and being
put on Dep, Dex and Baytril (as is the case with Flavia).





I've forgotten what the vet may have
said--whether the test should be run once, twice or three times a week. What do
you guys think?





Thanks!





Kerry





-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Barb Moermond
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 10:08
AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Flavia further update





She probably still smells like the vet - he just isn't sure she's the
same kitty anymore - the smell will wear off.  This happens with my boys
when they have to go in alone - whoever was at the vet gets picked on by the
one who stayed home and it's because they smell different.

Kerry MacKenzie
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 



Wanted to let you all know how Flavia is, but first I apologize for not
being able yet to reply to your kind individual emails--thank you so
much--it's been a crazy two days. 





Flavia's hematocrit went from 6 (or 7.5 depending on which reading) to
17 with the transfusion. She had dep and dex today (THANK YOU MICHELLE) and
antibiotics--the vet did not want to put her on Pred, felt it would be too much
for her--and tonight her hematocrit was up to 21.So,, she's home, and
acting pretty normal, eating drinking, going in box, and being very curious
about everything in the room. She's sort of still letting me pet her but I
think she's reasserting her feisty feral self as well. I'm sleeping in their
room tonight. I took lots of pix of her when we got back tonight. One or two
should be really good.





Snowball is not being nice to her--he's snarling at her. And she was
his girlfriend not so long ago. Well, we've all been there, right. Still, I'm a
bit upset on her behalf. The others didn't exactly welcome her back with open
paws. She's alone

RE: Veterinary Questions

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

One time when I took one of my feral boys, Oliver to be neutered, they
by mistake (or with carelessness or no consideration because they felt
that he was just a feral), in spite of my request of using ISO gas on
him, they used Kedamine injection, and they did not even bother to check
the weight, and therefore they overdosed it, and almost killed him - 

I also have a friend who is a vet tech and she tells me all sort of
scary stuff that her vet used to do to their animals with an intension
or by mistake (she told me it's almost criminal) - she couldn't stand
the vet, and quit, but she stuck there for two years because she wanted
to protect the animals who come there.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie,
Kerry N.
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 10:05 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Veterinary Questions

That's shocking if you're right, Stephanie.
(I have to say I harbor fears about that happening to one of my FeLV
kitties when I have to use an unknown vet in an emergency.)
You could try putting the details to the group too. There are some
extremely knowledgeable members, as you know.
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephanie E
Caldwell
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 10:54 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Veterinary Questions


I have some questions about drugs and dosings, is there a rescue or vet 
who would be willing to help me? I have reason to believe that my vet 
tried to kill TeeCee back in April, but need an outside opinion before I

go to them!

Steph




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Sebastian

[JENNIFER RATLIFF]

I took Sebastian to the vet to get some blood work done.  I took the vet Dr. Plechner's book and we are running some of his tests.  Sebastian's mood is good.  He sleeps alot more than usual and his back legs are so weak.  I don't know what could be causing the weakness.  I have to do everything that I can.  I have been crying myself to sleep at night because I am so worried about him and I can't imagine him leaving me.  I need help.  

Re: Sebastian

[Belinda Sauro]

Ask about his potassium level, low potassium causes back end weakness.

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Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please

[Nina]

That's adorable! Can you tell I like feisty animals? Another short story 
for your book? Huh? Hmm?

Nina

tamara stickler wrote:


Here's and odd pill disguiser for you: Marshmellows!
A friend of mine has a cat named Satan, (yeah, I know, but IF YOU ONLY 
KNEW HIM -the cat- YOU'D UNDERSTAND..the name is earned!), that could 
not be pilled. Oh, he'd stand on a freshly delivered pizza covered up 
to his knees in sauce and cheese, but he'd still find a pill hidden in 
cheese, pizza sauce, meat..etc...When one day he stole a bag of 
mini-marshmellows out of the drawer and curled up with them hissing 
and spittin whenever Angie came close to himand it dawned on 
herlittle marshmellows. Three years now and Satty gets his happy 
pill every morning...and there's a little less evil in the house. (But 
go easy on the candy...too much sugar's not good for a cat!)


*/Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

Tamara, you are right about the Pill Pockets… it does not work for
all cats but if it does it is easy! The strays I was feeding would
not take them but a little ball of ham, liverwurst, or anything
sort of smelly—they wolfed up!

/*/Chris/*/

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Wellness please

Mari,

For the record, Coebeio isn't Felv+, I don't know if that makes a
difference, but it might, so I thought you should know.

Ok, red dyes. That finding was just by trial and error. It finally
occured to me that when I feed her something with red dye in
it...she'd break out around the face and neck & start
vomittingnot right away...but within several hours...or a day.
I tested that ...and I'm now very certain that that as well as the
salmon, shrimp & crab are all contributing factors to her
break-outs. NOT that she doesn't have them anymore...because she
does..but they are less frequent.

Now I only feed her chemical free, human grade, no preservative,
no antibotic added, free ranged-meat contained foods. It seems to
be helping somewhat.

As for canned food, Solid Gold seems the most palitable and best
quality, healthiest, for Coebeio. They have a website where you
can order directly: http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/

As for the allergiesMy vet is still trying to help me to
figure it all out as well. Getting rid of the dyes in the food
helped. Getting rid of corn in the food helped. Not burning
scented candles, not using deoterizors in the carpet
...helpedtrying to limit stress has helped. But yes, she still
gets breakouts...from time to time, and I just can't figure out
why. What makes it worse is I haven't been able to get her to the
vet in ..oh, three years or so. While she is an indoor cat, when
she doesn't want to be caught...she can't be caught. You can't
even get close enough to scruff her. I picked her up off the
street as an adult, and the only reason I was able to then...is
because she came willingly when I told her to get in the car.

One thing I will mention tho...not to upset you, but just to keep
an eye out for...if your cat is frequently going off food that he
would eat for a few daysIs he urinating more as well? Is he
drinking more? When is the last time you had blood work done? (My
Quintapus started that...progressively "picky" eatingturned
out his kidneys had started to fail.)

Oh, and with all due respect to Chris, yes try the pill pockets
(but they cost about $4-5 a pouch), but not one of my animals, or
my extended family's animals will touch them. I used to hide pills
in oyster meat, a little bit of tuna or white fish...scallops &
sardines (rinse the salt) make a nice disguise...or even spam-(but
only use a little bit spam has a LOT of salt).

Good luck.

T



*/Mari Kolbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

T:

Very interesting - how did you ascertain that it was the red
dyes? I have long suspected that it was the dyes in the
various foods that have caused many of mine to vomit their
food so I have been not feeding anything that obviously has
colored kibble in it. Are all the dyes marked as "Red Dye #xx"
or are some of them disguised as other chemical names?

How do Coebeio's allergies manifest themselves? We currently
have a four year old cerebellar hypoplasia cat who is a manx
mix totally blind epileptic (his identical sister is totally
blind and deaf). He was fine up until about a year ago and
then started digging around his face and neck - literally raw.
We at first thought earmites and 

Re: Sebastian

[Nina]

Jennifer,
I feel for you.  I know how hard it is dealing with a loved one's 
illness.  I can understand why you are crying yourself to sleep at 
night.  That helpless feeling can be overwhelming at times.  Please try 
to control the worry and anxiety.  I know it's easier said than done, 
but Sebastian is still with you, his mood is good, try and take your cue 
from him.  Do your best to enjoy the time you have together.  He hasn't 
left you yet, don't act as though he has.  Talk to him and tell him how 
much he means to you, that you're happy he's part of your life and 
grateful for the lessons that you've learned together.  He wants you to 
smile.  He loves you, it can't help him to know that he is causing you 
to be unhappy.  Focus on the quality of the moment when you are 
together, not the fears for the future.  Keep searching for ways to help 
him, cultivate a positive attitude and don't waste this time together.

Nina

JENNIFER RATLIFF wrote:

I took Sebastian to the vet to get some blood work done.  I took the 
vet Dr. Plechner's book and we are running some of his tests.  
Sebastian's mood is good.  He sleeps alot more than usual and his back 
legs are so weak.  I don't know what could be causing the weakness.  I 
have to do everything that I can.  I have been crying myself to sleep 
at night because I am so worried about him and I can't imagine him 
leaving me.  I need help. 

RE: Flavia further update

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Thank you Nina---that's reassured me. I hate to see her effectively
still isolated, poor little thing. Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 11:16 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Flavia further update


Kerry,
It's good news that Flavia is feeling better, you know how much I pray 
that it continues.  As far as the others not welcoming her back with 
open arms...  Remember, she stinks!  She has that strong vet hospital 
smell on her that is very upsetting to kitties.  Even the best, most 
loving friends will hiss when the get a whiff of that nasty smell.  
They'll calm down when the stink wears off.  I know how busy you are, 
thank you for keeping us informed as best you can. 
Blessings and prayers,
Nina

Kerry MacKenzie wrote:

> Wanted to let you all know how Flavia is, but first I apologize for 
> not being able yet to reply to your kind individual emails--thank you 
> so much--it's been a crazy two days.
> Flavia's hematocrit went from 6 (or 7.5 depending on which reading) to

> 17 with the transfusion. She had dep and dex today (THANK YOU 
> MICHELLE) and antibiotics--the vet did not want to put her on Pred, 
> felt it would be too much for her--and tonight her hematocrit was up 
> to 21.So, she's home, and acting pretty normal, eating drinking, going

> in box, and being very curious about everything in the room. She's 
> sort of still letting me pet her but I think she's reasserting her 
> feisty feral self as well. I'm sleeping in their room tonight. I took 
> lots of pix of her when we got back tonight. One or two should be 
> really good.
> Snowball is not being nice to her--he's snarling at her. And she was 
> his girlfriend not so long ago. Well, we've all been there, right. 
> Still, I'm a bit upset on her behalf. The others didn't exactly 
> welcome her back with open paws. She's alone in walking around and 
> checking out the room. The others are all hiding (or snarling) as if 
> she's a major threat to them.
> We go back to vet on Saturday to check the hemato again. That will be 
> a critical time. Please send positive thoughts for Flavia and for the 
> test result at the vet Saturday.thanks again for all the fantastic

> support. It literally is a lifesaver. Kerry






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RE: Flavia update

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Title: Message



Thank 
you Hideyo!

-Original Message-From: 
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On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:50 
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Flavia 
update

Hi, Kerry, I haven’t 
seen your postings today, I am wondering how your baby, Flavia is doing after 
the transfusion – I hope she is doing better –
 
Love and hugs to you 
and Flavia..
 
Hideyo
 




From: 
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On Behalf Of Kerry 
MacKenzieSent: Wednesday, June 
22, 2005 7:00 PMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Flavia 
update
 

Dr Dodin called and said the hematocrit came back as 
7.5. As I feared, it's nonregenerative anemia. She said we need to see how 
Flavia does tomorrow morning after the transfusion (she was also in an oxygen 
tent last time I saw her), and all being "well" will prescribe Depomedrol and 
Prednisone. My poor little furball. She must be terrified. She has to go back to 
the clinic for monitoring tomorrow am.--I'll be picking her up from emergency 
and delivering her there at 8am.

Katyis is a little pd off after his 
mission of mercy. Clumsy me, I couldn't get the bandage around his leg off 
properly--he kept fighting me. Now I see he succeeded doing it himself--didn't 
need my help.

I hope there's no return to emergency services any time 
soon. 

Kerry

 

 

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RE: Sebastian

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Jennifer, I just thought of something –
he is not diabetic at all?  What was his glucose level?  And how are his paws/ankles
when he stands on hind legs – is his ankle touching the floor or can he
lift it?  There is a disease called neuropathy, which their hind legs get
really weak -  It happened to Leo, and the below fixed Leo in a couple of days:
please read below:

 

Please try V-B 12 called methylcobalamin (it’s different from
regular V-B 12 ) – it works really well on neurological problem -

And it’s safe, it’s very effective
for some degree of neuropathy. So do start your cat on methylcobalamin (3 MG
give BETWEEN meals is a good starting dose. You can order it on the phone at
888-433-5266. I recommend Lifelink’s Xobaline (zo-bah-leen) brand, and it
comes in 60 tablet bottles of 3 MG tablets. They’ll ship it Priority, and
you’ll have it within 2 or 3 days if you’re in the US.   But you
can also get it at a regular vitamin store - 

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of JENNIFER RATLIFF
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 11:25
AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Sebastian



 





I took Sebastian to the vet to get some blood work
done.  I took the vet Dr. Plechner's book and we are running some of his
tests.  Sebastian's mood is good.  He sleeps alot more than usual and
his back legs are so weak.  I don't know what could be causing the
weakness.  I have to do everything that I can.  I have been crying
myself to sleep at night because I am so worried about him and I can't imagine
him leaving me.  I need help.  

RE: Flavia further update

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Title: Message



Point 
well taken, Hideyo. I'm too worried about her not to take her to the vet, that's 
the trouble. Damned if I do, damned if I don't. I'm at work all day, so she 
could plummet and I wouldn't know it till I got home. I guess I feel better 
knowing how the numbers are on a regular basis. But I'll give what you say more 
thought. Thanks again--Kerry

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On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Friday, June 24, 2005 11:27 
AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Flavia 
further update

My opinion might be 
biased (I have a bad experience in the past)– my personal policy has been that I 
don’t leave my cats or dogs for that matter especially, if they are feral at the 
vet unless I have to do so absolutely – they often times discount the impact of 
stress caused by “being there” – my experience is – unless they have to be on IV 
or something and that’s critical to their treatment and has to be monitored, my 
animals recover better at home.  – if there are something I can do myself – 
I will do so or if not, ask them to come to my house and do 
so.
I reinforced my belief 
when I took in George, too – they eat better and they can sleep better when they 
are at the place the know it’s home – sometimes, you can’ control the situation 
at the vet, there are always some noise, emergency, people talking 
loud..etc..they get so nervous, but they don’t know that is stressing the 
animals as they are busy taking care of their appointments – and these things 
will add to the stress which will effect their recovery.   I was 
reading someone’s letter on line the other day about a cat getting transfusion 
(I don’t think this was a feLV cat) at the vet, and she brought the cat back to 
the vet next day, and she left her there for additional check ups – sometime 
during the process, something happened to, and the kitty stopped breathing and 
couldn’t bring her back – they did not know exactly what happened – and they 
might never know – it could be stress or could be something happened to the 
process- she was very regretted the fact that she left it there because it was 
not absolutely necessary – anyway, I had a similar experience – again please 
forgive me for being biased..
 
I am glad that Flavia 
is doing well – also, could you wait to check on her HCT for a while and you can 
watch her how she does – I am sure that you are observant enough, if something 
is wrong, you will notice right away, then you can bring her in for another 
check up on HCT?  
 




From: 
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On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
N.Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 
9:28 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Flavia further 
update
 

It's such a pity. She 
could do with some R&R with the others. And she's back at the vet tomorrow, 
so this shunning could go on and on!

It was so sweet, too, 
to hear her squeak when she got home last night--being feral, they're pretty 
silent all the time of course. 

I like to think she was 
squeaking with excitement. She only did it once, and then again this morning--I 
slept in their room, and it was a single squeak from her that woke me up. She 
was looking right at me when I opened my eyes. She wasn't so keen any more to 
let me touch her, and I haven't been able to get the bandage off her leg 
yet.

Q:  If I have to 
leave it till I get to the vet tomorrow will that be ok? I don't want to stress 
her unnecessarily, and she's much more manageable when she's at the 
vet.

Another Q (mainly 
because the nice-to-Flavia vet won't be there tomorrow and I don't know the one 
who's taken over) re frequency of checking hematocrit levels after a transfusion 
and being put on Dep, Dex and Baytril (as is the case with 
Flavia).

I've forgotten what the 
vet may have said--whether the test should be run once, twice or three times a 
week. What do you guys think?

Thanks!

Kerry

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Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Barb 
MoermondSent: Friday, June 24, 
2005 10:08 AMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Flavia further 
update

She probably still smells like the vet - he just isn't 
sure she's the same kitty anymore - the smell will wear off.  This happens 
with my boys when they have to go in alone - whoever was at the vet gets picked 
on by the one who stayed home and it's because they smell 
different.Kerry MacKenzie 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Wanted to let you all know how Flavia is, but first I 
apologize for not being able yet to reply to your kind individual 
emails--thank you so much--it's been a crazy two days. 


Flavia's hematocrit went from 6 (or 7.5 depending on 
which reading) to 17 with the transfusion. She had dep and dex today (THANK YOU 
MICHELLE) and antibiotics--the vet did not want to put her on Pred, felt it 
would be too much for her--and tonight her hematocrit was up to 21.So,, 
she's home, and acting pretty

George update part III

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

George is doing very good – he is eating well and his
face seems to less swollen – I had noticed before that his entire face
looked swollen before, and I realized after the blood work, it was probably due
to the liver abnormality – his eyes and mouth don’t seem to be so
pushed – I am hoping that it correlates with his liver function recovery
progress.

 

I have been trying to pet him a little by a little –
now I can scratch his face and I can give him a massage on his neck – he is
cautious, but never tries to bite or scratch me at all – he is such a
good boy!

I am going to start giving him some fluid with V-C in it (I
waited for a bit so that he is not too stressed) starting today so that it will
help his liver to start working normally again by flushing toxins out.

 

Thank you fro all the prayers for George, but please
continue to pray for George that he will only get better, as you know,  with
liver problem, you just never know what could happen the next moment - 

RE: George update part III

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Title: Message



That's 
great news, Hideyo. George is a lucky little boy. And a real sweetheart, too. 
Sending lots of positive thoughts and best wishes for his full recovery. 
Kerry

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On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Friday, June 24, 2005 1:20 
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: George update 
part III

George is doing very good – he is 
eating well and his face seems to less swollen – I had noticed before that his 
entire face looked swollen before, and I realized after the blood work, it was 
probably due to the liver abnormality – his eyes and mouth don’t seem to be so 
pushed – I am hoping that it correlates with his liver function recovery 
progress.
 
I have been trying to pet him a 
little by a little – now I can scratch his face and I can give him a massage on 
his neck – he is cautious, but never tries to bite or scratch me at all – he is 
such a good boy!
I am going to start giving him some 
fluid with V-C in it (I waited for a bit so that he is not too stressed) 
starting today so that it will help his liver to start working normally again by 
flushing toxins out.
 
Thank you fro all the prayers for 
George, but please continue to pray for George that he will only get better, as 
you know,  with liver problem, you just never know what could happen the 
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Re: George update part III

[Cherie A Gabbert]

Wonderful news;-))
CherieHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





George is doing very good – he is eating well and his face seems to less swollen – I had noticed before that his entire face looked swollen before, and I realized after the blood work, it was probably due to the liver abnormality – his eyes and mouth don’t seem to be so pushed – I am hoping that it correlates with his liver function recovery progress.
 
I have been trying to pet him a little by a little – now I can scratch his face and I can give him a massage on his neck – he is cautious, but never tries to bite or scratch me at all – he is such a good boy!
I am going to start giving him some fluid with V-C in it (I waited for a bit so that he is not too stressed) starting today so that it will help his liver to start working normally again by flushing toxins out.
 
Thank you fro all the prayers for George, but please continue to pray for George that he will only get better, as you know,  with liver problem, you just never know what could happen the next moment - Have a purrfect day
Cherie
 

RE: Sebastian

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Did you already run a regular total body
function blood test, which can tell most of the organ functions, blood count
and so forth..if not, I would recommend that you do it also – but I am
glad that his mood is good.

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of JENNIFER RATLIFF
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 11:25
AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Sebastian



 





I took Sebastian to the vet to get some blood work
done.  I took the vet Dr. Plechner's book and we are running some of his
tests.  Sebastian's mood is good.  He sleeps alot more than usual and
his back legs are so weak.  I don't know what could be causing the
weakness.  I have to do everything that I can.  I have been crying
myself to sleep at night because I am so worried about him and I can't imagine
him leaving me.  I need help.  

RE: Flavia further update

[catatonya]

If there's any way you could rub a towel or blanket or something the others have been sleeping on onto flavia it might help.  Being feral, I doubt you can do that though.  This has happened with me before, but it usually only lasts a few hours.  Being feral, your cats are probably more 'suspicious' though.  I think the bandage is fine.  I hope the hemocrit is good tomorrow!
 
tonya"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


It's such a pity. She could do with some R&R with the others. And she's back at the vet tomorrow, so this shunning could go on and on!
It was so sweet, too, to hear her squeak when she got home last night--being feral, they're pretty silent all the time of course. 
I like to think she was squeaking with excitement. She only did it once, and then again this morning--I slept in their room, and it was a single squeak from her that woke me up. She was looking right at me when I opened my eyes. She wasn't so keen any more to let me touch her, and I haven't been able to get the bandage off her leg yet.
Q:  If I have to leave it till I get to the vet tomorrow will that be ok? I don't want to stress her unnecessarily, and she's much more manageable when she's at the vet.
Another Q (mainly because the nice-to-Flavia vet won't be there tomorrow and I don't know the one who's taken over) re frequency of checking hematocrit levels after a transfusion and being put on Dep, Dex and Baytril (as is the case with Flavia).
I've forgotten what the vet may have said--whether the test should be run once, twice or three times a week. What do you guys think?
Thanks!
Kerry

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Friday, June 24, 2005 10:08 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Flavia further update
She probably still smells like the vet - he just isn't sure she's the same kitty anymore - the smell will wear off.  This happens with my boys when they have to go in alone - whoever was at the vet gets picked on by the one who stayed home and it's because they smell different.Kerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 








Wanted to let you all know how Flavia is, but first I apologize for not being able yet to reply to your kind individual emails--thank you so much--it's been a crazy two days. 
Flavia's hematocrit went from 6 (or 7.5 depending on which reading) to 17 with the transfusion. She had dep and dex today (THANK YOU MICHELLE) and antibiotics--the vet did not want to put her on Pred, felt it would be too much for her--and tonight her hematocrit was up to 21.So,, she's home, and acting pretty normal, eating drinking, going in box, and being very curious about everything in the room. She's sort of still letting me pet her but I think she's reasserting her feisty feral self as well. I'm sleeping in their room tonight. I took lots of pix of her when we got back tonight. One or two should be really good.
Snowball is not being nice to her--he's snarling at her. And she was his girlfriend not so long ago. Well, we've all been there, right. Still, I'm a bit upset on her behalf. The others didn't exactly welcome her back with open paws. She's alone in walking around and checking out the room. The others are all hiding (or snarling) as if she's a major threat to them.
We go back to vet on Saturday to check the hemato again. That will be a critical time. Please send positive thoughts for Flavia and for the test result at the vet Saturday.thanks again for all the fantastic support. It literally is a lifesaver. Kerry
 
 
 
 
- Original Message - 

From: Hideyo Yamamoto 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:49 PM
Subject: RE: Flavia update


Hi, Kerry, I haven’t seen your postings today, I am wondering how your baby, Flavia is doing after the transfusion – I hope she is doing better –
 
Love and hugs to you and Flavia..
 
Hideyo
 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzieSent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:00 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Flavia update
 

Dr Dodin called and said the hematocrit came back as 7.5. As I feared, it's nonregenerative anemia. She said we need to see how Flavia does tomorrow morning after the transfusion (she was also in an oxygen tent last time I saw her), and all being "well" will prescribe Depomedrol and Prednisone. My poor little furball. She must be terrified. She has to go back to the clinic for monitoring tomorrow am.--I'll be picking her up from emergency and delivering her there at 8am.

Katyis is a little pd off after his mission of mercy. Clumsy me, I couldn't get the bandage around his leg off properly--he kept fighting me. Now I see he succeeded doing it himself--didn't need my help.

I hope there's no return to emergency services any time soon. 

Kerry

 

 

 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what plea

RE: Flavia further update

[catatonya]

Another thing you might do is wash all the bedding in the room they're all in to get 'out' their familiar smells so they may be more amiable to Flavia's antiseptic smell.
 
tonyaHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:









My opinion might be biased (I have a bad experience in the past)– my personal policy has been that I don’t leave my cats or dogs for that matter especially, if they are feral at the vet unless I have to do so absolutely – they often times discount the impact of stress caused by “being there” – my experience is – unless they have to be on IV or something and that’s critical to their treatment and has to be monitored, my animals recover better at home.  – if there are something I can do myself – I will do so or if not, ask them to come to my house and do so.
I reinforced my belief when I took in George, too – they eat better and they can sleep better when they are at the place the know it’s home – sometimes, you can’ control the situation at the vet, there are always some noise, emergency, people talking loud..etc..they get so nervous, but they don’t know that is stressing the animals as they are busy taking care of their appointments – and these things will add to the stress which will effect their recovery.   I was reading someone’s letter on line the other day about a cat getting transfusion (I don’t think this was a feLV cat) at the vet, and she brought the cat back to the vet next day, and she left her there for additional check ups – sometime during the process, something happened to, and the kitty stopped breathing and couldn’t bring her back – they did not know exactly what
 

Re: Sebastian

[catatonya]

Jennifer,
 
I must have missed the message about what's going on with Sebastian.  I think it's great you've got a vet willing to do some of Dr. Plechner's tests though.  I hope you find out what's going on with Sebastian and he is better soon.
 
tonyaJENNIFER RATLIFF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I took Sebastian to the vet to get some blood work done.  I took the vet Dr. Plechner's book and we are running some of his tests.  Sebastian's mood is good.  He sleeps alot more than usual and his back legs are so weak.  I don't know what could be causing the weakness.  I have to do everything that I can.  I have been crying myself to sleep at night because I am so worried about him and I can't imagine him leaving me.  I need help.  

Chicken

[Lomaxturtle]

So pleased that George and Flavia are getting along ok - prayers that the continue on the path to prolonged quality of life.

Stephanie - I'm horrified  at the thought of a vet trying to kill any animal by overdosing although as Hiyedo said I'm sure there are many who just don't know and just do what they think they know (which is wrong) and make fatal mistakes without even knowing. Scarily I've come across in humans with my job. I have been conducting interviews with intensive care medical for the last year for a research project - and I'm now writing up the results. One of the people involved is the regional Intesive care manager and to hear what goes on is scary - I don't want my family on the intensive car unit. The amount of mistakes that the medical staff make with drugs and doses has led to many fatalities or decline in condition. I think this will happen when ever medicine is concerned. Half the time they guess to appear that they know what they are doing - very scary

I have a question about chicken - as I was told here thankfully that chicken doesn't have everything cats need which makes sense and because | can't bare to make the nutritous broth - if Bramble continued to eat about 6 large slices of chicken per day plus a whiskers pouch and biscuits 2 times a day and a general feline supplement - would he be safely getting what he needs. ( He has eaten nearly two full pouches of food today with biscuits plus chicken so I pray that carries on - and he ate on the floor with Buddy and Minstrel again.- my little boy is fighting so hard and appears much more comfortable. Buddy went to lie with him for a while earlier - she is so good with him and  tries to look after him in her own little way.

I don't want to keep over loading him with chicken if the protein will cause problems - but he's guaranteed to eat more with the chicken and he needs to gain weight - I think he may have gained a little but he needs to gain more and asap.

Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel & Buddy

 

Re: Flavia further update

[Lernermichelle]

That is great news about Flavia-- amazing actually-- at least tentatively. 
>From 7.5 to 21 in a matter of 2 days is truly amazing. I wish so much that when 
Simon crashed at the end, with a hematocrit of 8, that he had let them put the 
catheter in to transfuse him. He had been so traumatized by them sticking him a 
lot one time that he fought it every time after that, and when his hematocrit 
was 8 he could not breathe while fighting and they said he would die from the 
fighting and not breathing and would not transfuse him.  I wish I had tried 
to get them to, or to tranquilize him or something.  I did not think 
getting up to 21 was a likely outcome from a HCT that low, but Flavia shows that 
is wrong.  God, I hope that she pulls through this. 
Michelle

Re: Veterinary Questions

[Lernermichelle]

If you do a search on the particular drug name and "feline" in google, you 
may come up with something that lists the dosing. I have often found dosings 
that way. Also, there is a pill book for dogs and cats, much like the pill book 
that exists for humans, with all the info on drugs and side effects and dosings. 
It is probably available on Amazon.
Michelle