RE: New to FeLV (Kat)
Hello, Kat: Manythanks for your warm welcome! I appreciate your heartening info re: exposure. It makes me feel a lot better. What Elvis' vet told my husband was, "He has a 50/50 chance." Which doesn't make any sense to me. A 50% chance of...what? Naturally, I intend to straighten this out tomorrow. I was happy to hear there are others who mix positives and negatives. If there were any possible way, I would separate. However, Elvis, being the Elvis that he is, is one of the most social cats there ever were. He could NEVER tolerate being away from the "action." And by "action", I mean "people." He accompanies us to the telephone, commenting while we're trying to converse. (He's a talker.) The doorbell sends him into transports of joy; old friends are always dear, but STRANGERSI've always been grateful that he can't reach our top latch, because he welcomes all comers. He's the only cat I've ever known that positively LOVES being in the car, despite its being only the ride to the doctor. Not that he has a fear of vets...quite the contrary! At the vet, he always sits primly; long legs perfectly straight in front, tail curled tightly around toes. In the seat next to mine. Where I try to pretend that I can't readthe signs forbidding such. Once, hearing his name called clearly, without 'our' last name attached, he calmly jumped down from his chair, and avidly followed the caller into the exam room.(!) Sorry to go on for so long! Frankly, I feel guilty about NOT separating, and so feel I must defend my position. Only to myself, evidently; you and others have been nothing but supportive of either choice. Elvis is not all that interested in the others, and the feeling is mutual, and so it is for HIS benefit that I hesitate to quarantine.Such a choice does not consider the others. Yet at the same time, I KNOW that such isolation would, from his point of view, be a fate worse than death. But is it fair to continue to expose the others? After all,don't 9 other lives outweigh...not that it is only numbers that count: "the good of the many, etc."...but he really COULDN'T stand it, so the only alternative would be...but, not THAT...still loves life, still as interested as ever, not even sick...but what if the others are negative?...would I not be responsible if other(s) turned positive later? how is THAT fair? but what can I do? not THAT.. GAWD I'm sure you all probably know THAT drill. Happy to hear that you're free of this blight! And so sorry for your losses. I'm glad you've stayed in the "community";please know that this first response, yours, lightened my load and encouraged me to keep reading. Thank you. Gia (O-klaw-homa)
Re: New to FeLV (wendy)
Hey, wendy: Your very kind words are muchly appreciated! It was news to me (I mean, MORE news) that saliva was not absolutely implicated in the spread of the virus. Likening it to HIV also made it more clear to me (I'm an LPN). What I find scary...but I've been remiss! I didn't realize that I didn't name the black kitty in my submission. Her name was Flavia, in honor of her devotion to my husband (a semi-long story) and because of her exotic beauty. And we loved her, though that isn't readily apparent in my letter. Mea culpa! Anyhow...what I find scary is that Flavia "got along" with the other cats by ignoring them, and they her. It's always possible that blows, or even bites were traded when I wasn't around. But mutual grooming and communal sleeping are absolutely out of the question. Which, excepting an unknown bite, means that he MUST have gotten it from food/water bowls or litter boxes. Because Elvis is 12. To answer your questionHe turned 12 on July 8. I know this, because I took in a straywho proceeded to give birth in my bedroomcloset about 3 weeks later, then went outside one day 5 weeks after thatand disappeared. (Not coincidentally, that was the last time any cat of mine went outside.) Anyhow, she had 5 kittens. I gave two to my best friend of 44 years (we're 46) and kept the other three, Elvis, Tiddy (beautiful blue-gray tabby with huge eyes) and Juliet, AKA Girl Cat (large,sweet, shytortoiseshell with a passion for grooming all others). That's why I know he wasn't born with it, (I know it's a virus that hides, but for 12 years?) and why I'm afraid of the communal bowl and commode possibility. I appreciate your info on all the cats who've lived with positives and not contracted it. Your letter, also, was a great comfort in my despair. I truly appreciate your sharing your Cricket with me. Many thanks! Gia
RE: New to FeLV (MacKenzie, Kerry N)
Hello, Kerry:: I really appreciate your response to my letter. I can already agree with you: Most supportive/generous/kind-hearted/informed... To the Nth degree! And thank you for your 'blessing'. I took it to heart. You know, I don't think I'm 'special' for taking in strays. Rather, I'm always astonished (but not surprised, anymore) that EVERYone DOESN'T. And to fully acquaint you with how convoluted MY thinking is, I always find OTHER 'animal people' to be unique, and am always grateful that they're out there. How'sTHAT for confusion? smile You are obviously one of 'us'; and, true to form, I am amazed and gratified to find another! (at least I'm CONSISTENTLY confused!) I appreciate your thoughtfulness in urging me to try to stop the 'blame game.' You're right, of course, but logic just ain't quite cuttin' it about now. Nevertheless, your advice encouraged me. Yes, I switched vets, but I'm not that enamored of the new one. The sad facts are that I live in the boonies, and the vets around here are geared toward large-animal medicine. And geography can also be blamed for the dearth of choices. I am looking into vets in 'the big city' (about 11/2-2 hrs away) and also at the OSU vets (about 3 hrs away). It would be hard NOT to find a better-informed vet, and I'd like to think I could find one that would also be more caring/concerned/sympathetic... I hear you, re: "...took...a while...to realize...naive belief...etc." Being a nurse, Iof ALL people should know how UNinfallible medical personnel are, just like the rest of the human race. But I just...didn't. What reasoning!! RE: "...there may be no point in vaccinating." I understood your point about sufficiently strong immune systems, but wouldn't an inoculation boost such a system? Or, failing that, would it do any harm? And isn't there a possibility that even in my younger cats, some immune systems aren't all that they could/should be? I was amazed about your '6th'. And definitely took your meaning about the poinlessness,a/w/a/ the heartlessness in separation. And I can also completely understand your paranoia re: negative cats. Your excerpt from the book (which I intend to find) was also most enlightening, and lightening. Again, I am most grateful! It really helped! Take care, Gia
Re: New to FeLV (Belinda Sauro)
Dear Belinda: You have my heartfelt thanks for your response to my letter. Everything I've read here has contributed to the lessening of my despair about this disaster. Your letter is certainly no exception! I was shocked at your info re: bad experiences vaccinating unknown positives. Before I went the round of vaccinations in 2003, knowing that they would do no good for the already infected, I specifically asked if it would do them any harm. I was assured that it would have no effect, either way. That is why I didn't bother to test first. The vet actually was somewhat reluctant to NOT test first, but was adamant that it would do no harm, and, at $40 a (literal) shot,and the same for the test...well, you can do the math. I'm sure you can understand why I didn't test. In fact, your letter is what has made me reconsider my original decision NOT to test. My (2nd) vet seemed socertain that, if they didn't actually test positive now, they would surely do so eventually. The implication I got was that it was possible to get false-negative results, which also led me to choose vaccination without testing. Certainly, I would never vaccinate any positive-result cats; wouldn't be any point, would be a waste of money I could use for their care, and might actually do harm. So it looks like 'tests for all' is coming tomorrow. And I can't TELL you how I dread it I assume your negatives have always been vaccinated? And I was so relieved and gratified to hear that you have had a positive that 'old' and that communal living for so long has had no ill effect. That my vet(s) don't appear to know much about FeLV doesn't really surprise me. They didn't know anything about iguanas, and I've had the same experience with ferrets. Still, CATS?? As you'll have likely read in my letter to another member, you'll have notedthat they're mostly large-animals vets who almost seem...ashamed? embarrassed? to even treat small animals. (Anybody else ever have that feeling about a vet?) As to what my "vet say(s) is wrong with Elvis"...he only said, "Feline Leukemia." I took that as a definitive answer, because until I began reading last night, I thought that feline leukemia was, well...leukemia. Cancer. Which, as we all know, is quite enough to be wrong with anybody. Really, calling it the FeLV is SO misleading! In my first letter, I said that after my initial experience with our Flavia, it was only after I went back home and began thinking that I called him back and asked about the possibility of contagion. You know whatcaused the unease which prompted mycall? It was only a chance remark by the vet, something about "where she caught it." It wasn't a completed thought, and it wasn't even to me, but to his assistant. Had I not overheard, I would NEVER have even considered that it could be a contagious disease. After all, cancer isn't contagious! Anyhow, I have no idea wasELSE is wrong. My gawd!! As I said, I thought it was 'contagious cancer', quite enough to cause weight loss. I'll have to remember to ask when I call tomorrow. You may have saved his life!! For that, as well as your other helpful advice and encouragement, I am in your debt. Gratefully, Gia
Garfunkle
That is such good news about Garfunkle - I'm so pleased he decided he didn't want to go to the bridge just yet. Keep it up Garfunkle xx Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy, Angel Bramble
Re: New to FeLV (wendy)
wendy! I can't believe I left out one of the brightest points of your letter! You said, "FYI, the FeLV vaccine is supposed to last 2-3 years..." (I laughed aloud, there) and "...so your others are most likely ok from the first vaccine." (At which point I resolved to give my neighbor's child a dollar to do a cartwheel for me!) You obviously detected my agony over not repeating the vaccinations in 2004. I have never begrudged the money (thousands, by now) I have spent on caring for critters, but I was in dire straits at the time and REALLY would have had hell trying to find a 'spare' $500. Even so, had IHAD a 'spare' $500 (really, that phrase tickles me, in an ironic way), I doubt I would have done it. Twoyears, nevermind the 6 months I was warned about, had passed since exposure with absolutely no chance of re-exposure. It's IMPOSSIBLE. Simply: thereARE nonew cats inside. So, it seems likely that Elvis was infected 2 years ago, before vaccination. Which (to me) means that while the others may have been infected at the same time, they at least have not likely caught it in the intervening years. You can see how your info about the length of immunity after vaccination came as an enormous relief! So, beau-coup thanks for removing THAT penance from me. You guys are great! Ciao, Gia
Re: New to FeLV (Gia - warning Long)
Hi Gia, While I lived in Missouri for a year I had a similar problem, most of the vets where Large (farm) animal vets and the three I did take him to said he is positive and will die within three months, infect all of your other cats so you should euthanize him. Thankfully I knew better. I did originally have him in a bedroom by himself but if your familar with trailers the doors are high off the florr and I found out that my little stinker Joey was sneaking under the door to play with him while I was at work, so it seemed pointless after that so I let him out with everyone. Him and Joey are the closest to this day. All of mine at that point were vaccinated and negative. My experience with FeLV started back in the early 90's. I had 5 cats, all indoor all vaccinated for everything but FeLV because in my thinking at the time they couldn't have it since they were all indoors. My brain forgot to factor in what they did or were exposed to BEFORE I got them. Frankie my siamese was sickly all his life and like clock work in December would get a URI (every year my vet would ask if she could test him for FeLV and every year I would say no, there is no way he could get it, he is indoor only), usually after a week or two with anitibiotics it would clear up and he always ate well even when sick, he was a hefty 18 pound baby. In 1992 he was sick as usual and she asked as usual but he was very sick and wasn't eating as well so I took him in and she asked as she always did if she could test and I said fine mostly to get her off my back. I almost passed out when she told me he was positive. He had been sick for almost 4 weeks and she said he probably wasn't going to recover this time and said I should euthanize him. Frankie was my baby, that one you have a special bond with and that was not an option, especially since in my mind he still just had a cold, you don't euthanize because of that. I told her to give me stronger anitibiotics and I would take him home. I also had to bring in the rest of my guys to get tested. 3 of his 4 housemates tested positive, Buddie whom I lost to cancer last July was the only one that tested negative and she was the youngest and had in fact been around all of them at 8 weeks of age before her vaccines. Frankie was very sick and it took 6 weeks but he recovered and lived alittle over 2 more years. I lost Skeeter, at age 7 years in October of 93 to lymphoma intestinal cancer. I lost Mike, at age 5 years in March of 94 to kidney cancer and I lost my precious Frankie, at age 9 years to anemia in January of 95. Teenye my 4th turned negative when we had her retested a year later and was negative the rest of her life. I lost her in 2000 at age 16 to a very rare cancer. Buddie never tested positive and was negative all her life. I lost her in 2004 at age 13 to liver cancer. I believe Frankie was born with it and is one of the rare ones that lived to be older. Most of my guys at the time we discovered it were big, hefty cats, Skeeter was 20 pounds, Mikie was 17 pounds, Buddie was 13 to 14 pounds, Teenye was a tiny manx and only weighed 7 pounds at her heaviest. FeLV weakens the immune system so other opportunistic diseases can get their foot in, and with their weakened immune system it is so much harder for a positive to fight anything off even a URI can be fatal and is many times because you have vets that say "Oh it's the FeLV kicking in, there is nothing we can do", and offer ZERO treatment when we all know a URI is quite treatable. Heck many vets once they test a cat and the cat comes up positive, they don't even bother to find out what is wrong with the cat, just recommend euthanasia and if you decline that offer just send you home with the the cat to die. Well any cat healthy or otherwise stands a chance of dying if they are sick and get no treatment. In fact many vets once a cat tests positive, EVEN if the cat is currently quite healthy will recommend euthanasia, even today when we do know more about it many vets are in the dark and don't know or care to learn of the advances for treatments that have been made (interferon, steriods, immunoregalan, vitimain-C, COQ-10, healthy food, stress free environment, ect ...). Try hard to find a vet who is more knowledgeable or at the very least one who is willing to learn and try things you suggest. You can only do the best you can with what you have to work with and as long as anyone does that they have nothing to feel guilty about. I've since learned alot about FeLV and my vet is wonderful, she will try anything I suggest unless she can convince me it is detrimental, Bailey was diagnosed at 5 months of age and I was told to kill him, I said no, and 10 years later he and his housemates are doing well. :) -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service
Re: New to FeLV (wendy)
Correct me if I am wrong...But I believe FeLV IS contacted primarily through saliva Maybe not urine and poop In saliva it dies as soon as it becomes dry, but what if it is in poop ??? Can that be carried on a shoe ??? The best defense against the disease is to keep cats healthy, well fed and happy... No stressI believe it is easy to contact but a cat has natural defenses against the disease...The strength of these defenses is directly related to the condition the cat is inThis pretty much holds true both before contact and after when the cat tests positive...My vet says that he has seen many cats who he has seen for the 1st time when on their death bed that test positive and are years old and living with a number of other cats (unvaccinated on farms) and so far as he knows none of the other cats have contacted it...(But maybe the farmer just says this is the same thing and says the cat will die anyway and doesn't come to the vet.) One of the problems is that there are so many variables...health..time..and death is a result of another disease Tad David wrote: Hey, wendy: Your very kind words are muchly appreciated! It was news to me (I mean, MORE news) that saliva was not absolutely implicated in the spread of the virus. Likening it to HIV also made it more clear to me (I'm an LPN). What I find scary...but I've been remiss! I didn't realize that I didn't name the black kitty in my submission. Her name was Flavia, in honor of her devotion to my husband (a semi-long story) and because of her exotic beauty. And we loved her, though that isn't readily apparent in my letter. Mea culpa! Anyhow...what I find scary is that Flavia "got along" with the other cats by ignoring them, and they her. It's always possible that blows, or even bites were traded when I wasn't around. But mutual grooming and communal sleeping are absolutely out of the question. Which, excepting an unknown bite, means that he MUST have gotten it from food/water bowls or litter boxes. Because Elvis is 12. To answer your questionHe turned 12 on July 8. I know this, because I took in a stray who proceeded to give birth in my bedroom closet about 3 weeks later, then went outside one day 5 weeks after that and disappeared. (Not coincidentally, that was the last time any cat of mine went outside.) Anyhow, she had 5 kittens. I gave two to my best friend of 44 years (we're 46) and kept the other three, Elvis, Tiddy (beautiful blue-gray tabby with huge eyes) and Juliet, AKA Girl Cat (large, sweet, shy tortoiseshell with a passion for grooming all others). That's why I know he wasn't born with it, (I know it's a virus that hides, but for 12 years?) and why I'm afraid of the communal bowl and commode possibility. I appreciate your info on all the cats who've lived with positives and not contracted it. Your letter, also, was a great comfort in my despair. I truly appreciate your sharing your Cricket with me. Many thanks! Gia
RE: New to FeLV (Gia - warning Long)
Title: Message Hi Gia, While I lived in Missouri for a year I had a similar problem, most of the vets where Large (farm) animal vets and the three I did take him to said he is positive and will die within three months, infect all of your other cats so you should euthanize him. Belinda, thanks for this report--I've been reading and re-reading it. (As every regular probably knows by now I'm continually wrestling with the idea of mixing mine--I've never mixed.) I have a Q---which year were you in Missouri (1995?) and is this Bailey you're talking about? Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda SauroSent: Friday, November 18, 2005 8:32 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: New to FeLV (Gia - warning Long) Hi Gia, While I lived in Missouri for a year I had a similar problem, most of the vets where Large (farm) animal vets and the three I did take him to said he is positive and will die within three months, infect all of your other cats so you should euthanize him. Thankfully I knew better. I did originally have him in a bedroom by himself but if your familar with trailers the doors are high off the florr and I found out that my little stinker Joey was sneaking under the door to play with him while I was at work, so it seemed pointless after that so I let him out with everyone. Him and Joey are the closest to this day. All of mine at that point were vaccinated and negative.My experience with FeLV started back in the early 90's. I had 5 cats, all indoor all vaccinated for everything but FeLV because in my thinking at the time they couldn't have it since they were all indoors. My brain forgot to factor in what they did or were exposed to BEFORE I got them.Frankie my siamese was sickly all his life and like clock work in December would get a URI (every year my vet would ask if she could test him for FeLV and every year I would say no, there is no way he could get it, he is indoor only), usually after a week or two with anitibiotics it would clear up and he always ate well even when sick, he was a hefty 18 pound baby. In 1992 he was sick as usual and she asked as usual but he was very sick and wasn't eating as well so I took him in and she asked as she always did if she could test and I said fine mostly to get her off my back. I almost passed out when she told me he was positive. He had been sick for almost 4 weeks and she said he probably wasn't going to recover this time and said I should euthanize him. Frankie was my baby, that one you have a special bond with and that was not an option, especially since in my mind he still just had a cold, you don't euthanize because of that. I told her to give me stronger anitibiotics and I would take him home. I also had to bring in the rest of my guys to get tested. 3 of his 4 housemates tested positive, Buddie whom I lost to cancer last July was the only one that tested negative and she was the youngest and had in fact been around all of them at 8 weeks of age before her vaccines. Frankie was very sick and it took 6 weeks but he recovered and lived alittle over 2 more years.I lost Skeeter, at age 7 years in October of 93 to lymphoma intestinal cancer. I lost Mike, at age 5 years in March of 94 to kidney cancer and I lost my precious Frankie, at age 9 years to anemia in January of 95. Teenye my 4th turned negative when we had her retested a year later and was negative the rest of her life. I lost her in 2000 at age 16 to a very rare cancer. Buddie never tested positive and was negative all her life. I lost her in 2004 at age 13 to liver cancer. I believe Frankie was born with it and is one of the rare ones that lived to be older. Most of my guys at the time we discovered it were big, hefty cats, Skeeter was 20 pounds, Mikie was 17 pounds, Buddie was 13 to 14 pounds, Teenye was a tiny manx and only weighed 7 pounds at her heaviest.FeLV weakens the immune system so other opportunistic diseases can get their foot in, and with their weakened immune system it is so much harder for a positive to fight anything off even a URI can be fatal and is many times because you have vets that say "Oh it's the FeLV kicking in, there is nothing we can do", and offer ZERO treatment when we all know a URI is quite treatable. Heck many vets once they test a cat and the cat comes up positive, they don't even bother to find out what is wrong with the cat, just recommend euthanasia and if you decline that offer just send you home with the the cat to die. Well any cat healthy or otherwise stands a chance of dying if they are sick and get no treatment. In fact many vets once a cat tests positive, EVEN if the cat is currently quite healthy will recommend euthanasia, even today when we do know more about it many vets are in the dark and don't know or care to learn of the advances for treatments that have been made (interferon, steriods, immunoregalan,
bloody nose
One of my FeLV + guys seems to be emitting a drop or two of blood when he sneezes. When I first got himand his sister they came down with a slight URI and I gave them Cefa drops and it cleared the female completely and I thought it had cleared Timmy also but he was still sneezing occassionaly but no noticible nasal discharge. Lately I have noticed a few little smears of blood on the bedding and yesterday I saw him sneeze while sitting on the big cat bed and I found a spot of partially coagulated blood - like my wife getswhen she blowsher nose in the winter when it is very dry out- I'm sure it came from when Timmy sneezed.Other than this he seems just fine, good appetite, shinny coat, bright clear eyes, etc. He is semi-feral and a close examination would not be a one man job. He will sometimes let me pat him and I have picked him up for a few seconds but you can tell he is very nervous about it. Made the mistake once of moving to quickly when I picked him up. He is not aggresive and has never tried to bite but I don't think an exam would be casual. Unlike his sister, Sweet Pea, who is just that. Gary
Re: New to FeLV (Belinda Sauro)
Gia, I am fortunate enough to live in a city that has a vet school AND a fabulous cats only clinic. But I adopted my 2 boys a few hours north of here in my home town and the vet there did their first exam as well as their snipping a few months later. Now, the vet that my mom prefers to use there is a large animal specialist - just prefers large animals and doesn't particularly like cats (although he likes Mom's cat Bozo - long story, very cool cat ) but he alwaysdoes his job carefully and very thoroughly and while he isn't as up-to-date on small animal medical breakthroughs/research - I think he would be open to learning from a client. But I am still grateful I can take my babies to an all cat clinic.David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:That my vet(s) don't appear to know much about FeLV doesn't really surprise me. They didn't know anything about iguanas, and I've had the same experience with ferrets. Still, CATS?? As you'll have likely read in my letter to another member, you'll have notedthat they're mostly large-animals vets who almost seem...ashamed? embarrassed? to even treat small animals. (Anybody else ever have that feeling about a vet?) Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
RE: New to FeLV (Gia)
Title: Message but wouldn't an inoculation boost such a system?Or, failing that, would it do any harm? Gia--I just had my email-with-attachment to you rejected as too large. But you'll find a lot of well-researched info on vaccines from our members in the archives. Good luck---Kerry Gia---you will get lots of feedback I'm sure (and there's tons in the archives) but I'm attaching a couple of emails that one of our members "Sally in San Jose", who does terrific research, posted. (Sally, I realize you prob won't even see this because of your computer probs but we miss you so much!) Many years ago, when my trusted vet realized my cats had become strictly indoor, he strongly advised no longer giving them the FeLV vaccine,because it carries itsown sarcoma risk. (He went to great lengths first tho to establish -- by asking me several Qs--that my cats really really would havezero contact of ANY sort with any other cat.) I omitted to mention this is my last email---but that'sa major contributing factor inmy continuing to separate. And the fact that the vaccine (like most vaccines, in animals and humans, I believe) doesn't guarantee 100% protection in any case. I'm still learning, and until I feel totally confident that my negs cannot contract FeLV I'll continue to separate. But, oh, I would dearly love to mix. take care Giaaltho it's for such a painful reason, it's great to have you on board. Kerry =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: bloody nose
I would get a humidifier going and, if you can get him to sit in the bathroom with you - some steam treatments. The moisture will help. My Bandit had a similar thing when he was wee, a sneeze and there's a red blotch on the wall in front of him. With Bandit, it cleared up by itself and steam helped.gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my FeLV + guys seems to be emitting a drop or two of blood when he sneezes. When I first got himand his sister they came down with a slight URI and I gave them Cefa drops and it cleared the female completely and I thought it had cleared Timmy also but he was still sneezing occassionaly but no noticible nasal discharge. Lately I have noticed a few little smears of blood on the bedding and yesterday I saw him sneeze while sitting on the big cat bed and I found a spot of partially coagulated blood - like my wife getswhen she blowsher nose in the winter when it is very dry out- I'm sure it came from when Timmy sneezed.Other than this he seems just fine, good appetite, shinny coat, bright clear eyes, etc.He is semi-feral and a close examination would not be a one man job. He will sometimes let me pat him and I have picked him up for a few seconds but you can tell he is very nervous about it. Made the mistake once of moving to quickly when I picked him up. He is not aggresive and has never tried to bite but I don't think an exam would be casual. Unlike his sister, Sweet Pea, who is just that.GaryBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
Re: New to FeLV (Kat)
"But is it fair to continue to expose the others? After all,don't 9 other lives outweigh...not that it is only numbers that count: "the good of the many, etc."...but he really COULDN'T stand it, so the only alternative would be...but, not THAT...still loves life, still as interested as ever, not even sick...but what if the others are negative?...would I not be responsible if other(s) turned positive later? how is THAT fair? but what can I do? not THAT.. GAWD I'm sure you all probably know THAT drill." The others have already been exposed, if they were going to catch it, they probably would have already. Removing him now really wouldn't make MUCH of a difference. They either have strong immune systems and wont catch it (or have caught it and fought it off already), or they have weak immune systems and probably already have it. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html"Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal."~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/174 - Release Date: 11/17/2005
To Gia concerning finding a vet
Gia, I live close to Dallas, and when Cricket got sick recently, I was scared because I wasn't too confident with our run-of-the-mill vet around the corner from our neighborhood. So what I did was call around to the various vets in our town and actually spoke to eact VET, not the tech or other employees, and told them Cricket's situation and listened to what each vet had to say. They were all fairly happy to speak with me before coming in to see them. This gave me a great (and inexpensive) feel for each vet and their knowledge of FeLV and bedside manner. That way I didn't have to physically visit each one to get this info.(not to mention pay for an office exam for each one). I was surprised that a simple phone conversation led me in a better direction for care for Cricket. Hope this helps, especially since you live in the boonies and vets are few and far between. Good luck in your search. :) Wendy --- David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Kerry:: I really appreciate your response to my letter. I can already agree with you: Most supportive/generous/kind-hearted/informed... To the Nth degree! And thank you for your 'blessing'. I took it to heart. You know, I don't think I'm 'special' for taking in strays. Rather, I'm always astonished (but not surprised, anymore) that EVERYone DOESN'T. And to fully acquaint you with how convoluted MY thinking is, I always find OTHER 'animal people' to be unique, and am always grateful that they're out there. How's THAT for confusion? smile You are obviously one of 'us'; and, true to form, I am amazed and gratified to find another! (at least I'm CONSISTENTLY confused!) I appreciate your thoughtfulness in urging me to try to stop the 'blame game.' You're right, of course, but logic just ain't quite cuttin' it about now. Nevertheless, your advice encouraged me. Yes, I switched vets, but I'm not that enamored of the new one. The sad facts are that I live in the boonies, and the vets around here are geared toward large-animal medicine. And geography can also be blamed for the dearth of choices. I am looking into vets in 'the big city' (about 11/2-2 hrs away) and also at the OSU vets (about 3 hrs away). It would be hard NOT to find a better-informed vet, and I'd like to think I could find one that would also be more caring/concerned/sympathetic... I hear you, re: ...took...a while...to realize...naive belief...etc. Being a nurse, I of ALL people should know how UNinfallible medical personnel are, just like the rest of the human race. But I just...didn't. What reasoning!! RE: ...there may be no point in vaccinating. I understood your point about sufficiently strong immune systems, but wouldn't an inoculation boost such a system? Or, failing that, would it do any harm? And isn't there a possibility that even in my younger cats, some immune systems aren't all that they could/should be? I was amazed about your '6th'. And definitely took your meaning about the poinlessness, a/w/a/ the heartlessness in separation. And I can also completely understand your paranoia re: negative cats. Your excerpt from the book (which I intend to find) was also most enlightening, and lightening. Again, I am most grateful! It really helped! Take care, Gia __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
RE: New to FeLV (Kat)
Gia Yes, agree, great stories--what a character Elvis is! And s smart! What a darling! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: New to FeLV (Kat) Gia, LOLOLOLOL!!! I love the stories about Elvis, especially at the vet. He sounds like he has such personality!!! No wonder you love this kitty so --- David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Kat: Many thanks for your warm welcome! I appreciate your heartening info re: exposure. It makes me feel a lot better. What Elvis' vet told my husband was, He has a 50/50 chance. Which doesn't make any sense to me. A 50% chance of...what? Naturally, I intend to straighten this out tomorrow. I was happy to hear there are others who mix positives and negatives. If there were any possible way, I would separate. However, Elvis, being the Elvis that he is, is one of the most social cats there ever were. He could NEVER tolerate being away from the action. And by action, I mean people. He accompanies us to the telephone, commenting while we're trying to converse. (He's a talker.) The doorbell sends him into transports of joy; old friends are always dear, but STRANGERSI've always been grateful that he can't reach our top latch, because he welcomes all comers. He's the only cat I've ever known that positively LOVES being in the car, despite its being only the ride to the doctor. Not that he has a fear of vets...quite the contrary! At the vet, he always sits primly; long legs perfectly straight in front, tail curled tightly around toes. In the seat next to mine. Where I try to pretend that I can't read the signs forbidding such. Once, hearing his name called clearly, without 'our' last name attached, he calmly jumped down from his chair, and avidly followed the caller into the exam room.(!) Sorry to go on for so long! Frankly, I feel guilty about NOT separating, and so feel I must defend my position. Only to myself, evidently; you and others have been nothing but supportive of either choice. Elvis is not all that interested in the others, and the feeling is mutual, and so it is for HIS benefit that I hesitate to quarantine. Such a choice does not consider the others. Yet at the same time, I KNOW that such isolation would, from his point of view, be a fate worse than death. But is it fair to continue to expose the others? After all, don't 9 other lives outweigh...not that it is only numbers that count: the good of the many, etcbut he really COULDN'T stand it, so the only alternative would be...but, not THAT...still loves life, still as interested as ever, not even sick...but what if the others are negative?...would I not be responsible if other(s) turned positive later? how is THAT fair? but what can I do? not THAT.. GAWD I'm sure you all probably know THAT drill. Happy to hear that you're free of this blight! And so sorry for your losses. I'm glad you've stayed in the community; please know that this first response, yours, lightened my load and encouraged me to keep reading. Thank you. Gia (O-klaw-homa) __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: New to FeLV (please read these links)
"I understood your point about sufficiently strong immune systems, but wouldn't an inoculation boost such a system? Or, failing that, would it do any harm?" Being a nurse, maybe it would help to look at it this way: When I was about 19 and getting ready to go to college, I had a deep fear of having to get more vaccines myself. So I opted to have blood drawn, and let the labs run titers for the things they said I needed boosted. Turns out, all of my childhood vaccines (I had my last set as a young child) were still providing excellenttiters for me (which, legally is all that is required, even though titer levels are arguably NOT the same thing as immunity). Not everyone (this includes pets) needs all of the endless vaccines and boosters for everything. It's overkill (or outright lies, depending on the source). Studies have been run and completed for cats and dogs, and have proven that many animal vaccines provide up to 3 years ofwhat is considered an "effective" titer level (these are vaccines that usually are given annually, such as rabies, distemper, and FELV). That being said, having a high titer does not equally translate into immunity. Many factors enter into the equasion when you are studying immunity. For example, did you know that most of the well known human diseases that we developed vaccines for declined rapidly BEFORE the vaccines were developed and given? This happened, we believe, in the most part, due to improved sanitazation and health of the population. Here is an interesting website that is studying the effects on proper diet and healthy environment on immunity, which is why we all urge premium diets and healthy lifestyles for FELV+ cats (though some of us may not know the science behind WHY it works): http://vaclib.org/intro/present/overview.htm My point here is that vaccines do not equal immunity, and in fact, vaccines often cause more harm than good, espcially when you are talking about the FELV vaccine in cats. The felv vaccine has been one of the vaccines most commonly associated with Vaccine associated sarcomas, a cancer that develops at the vaccination site location. It is believed that the adjuvants in vaccines are the main causes of VAS. You can easily find this information online if you do a search. Adjuvants are nasty things in themselves, but that's only one of the many harmful and toxic substances IN vaccines. Here are links to more info on VAS (and the role of adjuvants in VAS): http://www.vas-awareness.org/ http://www.feline-vas-support.org/(talk to people who have lived through this with their cat) http://www.petresource.com/articlesofinterest/vaccinationsitesarcomasincat.html http://www.avma.org/vafstf/treatcoutomacy.asp http://www.avma.org/onlnews/javma/sep04/040915k.asp http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00109.htm http://www.tahealth.net/vas.html http://www.vetinfo.com/cvaccprob.html And about the ingredients in vaccines: http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/ingredie.html(this is human vaccines, which have to be "cleaner" than animal vaccines) http://www.whale.to/vaccine/adjuvants.html I do sincerely hope you (and everyone else) take the time to at least skim most of the above links, so you can make informed decisions on vaccines and their complications. it is not something to take lightly, and I myself am torn between the decision. Rabies is now thew ONLY vaccine I give to my cats, and I limit that to once every 3 years, and make sure it is given only in the lower rear leg. I will NEVER get another vaccine myself. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html"Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal."~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/174 - Release Date: 11/17/2005
RE: To Gia concerning finding a vet
Wendy What simple, effective and $$$-saving advice--for boony or city dwellers like myself!-- Thanks!Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: To Gia concerning finding a vet Gia, I live close to Dallas, and when Cricket got sick recently, I was scared because I wasn't too confident with our run-of-the-mill vet around the corner from our neighborhood. So what I did was call around to the various vets in our town and actually spoke to eact VET, not the tech or other employees, and told them Cricket's situation and listened to what each vet had to say. They were all fairly happy to speak with me before coming in to see them. This gave me a great (and inexpensive) feel for each vet and their knowledge of FeLV and bedside manner. That way I didn't have to physically visit each one to get this info.(not to mention pay for an office exam for each one). I was surprised that a simple phone conversation led me in a better direction for care for Cricket. Hope this helps, especially since you live in the boonies and vets are few and far between. Good luck in your search. :) Wendy --- David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Kerry:: I really appreciate your response to my letter. I can already agree with you: Most supportive/generous/kind-hearted/informed... To the Nth degree! And thank you for your 'blessing'. I took it to heart. You know, I don't think I'm 'special' for taking in strays. Rather, I'm always astonished (but not surprised, anymore) that EVERYone DOESN'T. And to fully acquaint you with how convoluted MY thinking is, I always find OTHER 'animal people' to be unique, and am always grateful that they're out there. How's THAT for confusion? smile You are obviously one of 'us'; and, true to form, I am amazed and gratified to find another! (at least I'm CONSISTENTLY confused!) I appreciate your thoughtfulness in urging me to try to stop the 'blame game.' You're right, of course, but logic just ain't quite cuttin' it about now. Nevertheless, your advice encouraged me. Yes, I switched vets, but I'm not that enamored of the new one. The sad facts are that I live in the boonies, and the vets around here are geared toward large-animal medicine. And geography can also be blamed for the dearth of choices. I am looking into vets in 'the big city' (about 11/2-2 hrs away) and also at the OSU vets (about 3 hrs away). It would be hard NOT to find a better-informed vet, and I'd like to think I could find one that would also be more caring/concerned/sympathetic... I hear you, re: ...took...a while...to realize...naive belief...etc. Being a nurse, I of ALL people should know how UNinfallible medical personnel are, just like the rest of the human race. But I just...didn't. What reasoning!! RE: ...there may be no point in vaccinating. I understood your point about sufficiently strong immune systems, but wouldn't an inoculation boost such a system? Or, failing that, would it do any harm? And isn't there a possibility that even in my younger cats, some immune systems aren't all that they could/should be? I was amazed about your '6th'. And definitely took your meaning about the poinlessness, a/w/a/ the heartlessness in separation. And I can also completely understand your paranoia re: negative cats. Your excerpt from the book (which I intend to find) was also most enlightening, and lightening. Again, I am most grateful! It really helped! Take care, Gia __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: New to FeLV (wendy)
Correct me if I am wrong...But I believe FeLV IS contacted primarily through salivaMaybe not urine and poopIn saliva it dies as soon as it becomes dry, but what if it is in poop ??? Can that be carried on a shoe ??? FELV dies unless it has an optimal wet and warm environment (and studies say it lives a maximum of 3 days even in that optimum environment). Since any poop on your shoes rapidly cools, and any that tracks OFF your shoe (like onto the floor) would be dry and cold instantly, there is very little chance of carrying FELV on your shoes. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html"Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal."~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/174 - Release Date: 11/17/2005
Re: New to FeLV (Belinda Sauro)
Gia, Cricket and I had a horrible experience with a large animal vet two years ago. If I wouldn't have taken him home after the 18 hours of care that he received from the vet, he would have died there. He had a horrible infection he picked up after he ripped out all his back claws trying to claw his way up a brick column while trying to get away from a big dog that had gotten out of his house and went after him. I didn't know that his claws were gone until after I brought him home from the vets and he recouped. They tested his blood for FeLV while there and I thought that was what was wrong with him. The vet was giving him no IV fluid nor sustenance, after I had specifically asked them to, and pretty much left him in his cage. When I finally realized what was happening (thank God for women's instinct), I rushed to the vet in the middle of my work day and took him home with antibiotics. He was pretty much lifeless; very limp and not much responsiveness, which was opposite of how he was when I brought him in. I stayed home from work for two days and gave him his meds and water every hour and food every so often when I felt he could handle it. I could NOT believe that he came back, that's how sick he was. The vet even told me that he'd never seen a cat come back from being that sick. His temperature was so high that it went all the way to the top of the thermometer and they couldn't tell how high it actually was. So, in lieu of all this info., if you or anyone else can at all avoid a primarily large animal vet, DO SO. I guess it's kind of like asking a family practitioner to perform a hemorrhoid-ectomy. LOL. No offense to large animal practitioners; that's just the way it is. :) Wendy --- David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Belinda: You have my heartfelt thanks for your response to my letter. Everything I've read here has contributed to the lessening of my despair about this disaster. Your letter is certainly no exception! I was shocked at your info re: bad experiences vaccinating unknown positives. Before I went the round of vaccinations in 2003, knowing that they would do no good for the already infected, I specifically asked if it would do them any harm. I was assured that it would have no effect, either way. That is why I didn't bother to test first. The vet actually was somewhat reluctant to NOT test first, but was adamant that it would do no harm, and, at $40 a (literal) shot, and the same for the test...well, you can do the math. I'm sure you can understand why I didn't test. In fact, your letter is what has made me reconsider my original decision NOT to test. My (2nd) vet seemed so certain that, if they didn't actually test positive now, they would surely do so eventually. The implication I got was that it was possible to get false-negative results, which also led me to choose vaccination without testing. Certainly, I would never vaccinate any positive-result cats; wouldn't be any point, would be a waste of money I could use for their care, and might actually do harm. So it looks like 'tests for all' is coming tomorrow. And I can't TELL you how I dread it I assume your negatives have always been vaccinated? And I was so relieved and gratified to hear that you have had a positive that 'old' and that communal living for so long has had no ill effect. That my vet(s) don't appear to know much about FeLV doesn't really surprise me. They didn't know anything about iguanas, and I've had the same experience with ferrets. Still, CATS?? As you'll have likely read in my letter to another member, you'll have noted that they're mostly large-animals vets who almost seem...ashamed? embarrassed? to even treat small animals. (Anybody else ever have that feeling about a vet?) As to what my vet say(s) is wrong with Elvis...he only said, Feline Leukemia. I took that as a definitive answer, because until I began reading last night, I thought that feline leukemia was, well...leukemia. Cancer. Which, as we all know, is quite enough to be wrong with anybody. Really, calling it the FeLV is SO misleading! In my first letter, I said that after my initial experience with our Flavia, it was only after I went back home and began thinking that I called him back and asked about the possibility of contagion. You know what caused the unease which prompted my call? It was only a chance remark by the vet, something about where she caught it. It wasn't a completed thought, and it wasn't even to me, but to his assistant. Had I not overheard, I would NEVER have even considered that it could be a contagious disease. After all, cancer isn't contagious! Anyhow, I have no idea was ELSE is wrong. My gawd!! As I said, I thought it was 'contagious cancer', quite enough to cause weight loss. I'll have to remember to ask when I call tomorrow. You may have saved his life!! For that, as well as
Re: Pls Read: A miracle of Garfunkle - thank you for your prayers!
That's great, Hideyo! Michelle
Cardiomyapathy leg paralysis
Is there anyone on this list with the experience of cardiomyopathy and leg paralysis? Is there a group ... do you know the addy? Sweet Sam is 6 years old and this morning threw a clot ... he's at the vet for heparin therapy ... prognosis never good with this. Del
RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry
Hi, I am sorry that I have not written back to you about my Tsubomi, as you know, things have been a bit hectic with the animal control issue, and of course with unexpected condition of Garfunkle. Garfunkle is doing good, he still is not back to normal and may take months before. When I thought I was going to lose him last Friday, I prayed that I needed more time to spend time with him because I was so unexpecting of it.. I feel that my wish was listened somehow, and now God is giving me more time to be with him, I don't know how long it is going to be to tell you the truth, I am just grateful that I have him today. I am taking a day by day, enjoying the time I have with him. His tummy is all extended, probably due to the liver disease and he is still yellow, and am still assist feeding most of the time since he is not taking enough calorie on his own. But he moves around a little bit and does not seem to be in pain. He purrs and loves to be scratched under his chin. Every moment I have with him and (with any of the kitties) is such a precious moment. I am going to treasure every moment.. Tsubomi was confirmed positive on IFA test. But I am not going to be sad - because she is full of a life and has so much energy and affection - she is out of crate now and sharing the space with Ginger - they are not necessarily the best friends, but not enemy either. I am still considering having you (kerry) be the new mommy of Tsubomi.. but I am also trying to see if there is anyway I can keep her with ginger and see if it works out - so if you could give me a bit more time to think about it, I will be so grateful! Ginger is in heat again,, and am still assist feeding her.. now she is with Tsubomi, it's hard to tell how much or if ginger ate anything.. but I am force feeding her anyway - Please please pray that my Garfunkle and Ginger will only get better and will stay with me for a long time. Thank you!!
RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry
Dear Hideyo I'm so glad to hear the news today is good, Hideyo---you and your furballs, especially Garfunkle, have been through such a lot in recent days. I hope Ghandi and Ruby-E are doing well too. Of course, Hideyo---take as much time as you need in deciding about Tsubomi. (I know how big a decision this is for you and her even though she would be going to a loving home.) I'm sorry about her IFA result, and full of admiration for your positive approach. That will be very good for the little sweetheart. Sending lots of healing vibes for Garfunkel's continuing recovery, and lots of positive thoughts for you too, Hideyo. (Don't know how you do it!) till we talk again, love and hugs to you and yours, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 3:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Hi, I am sorry that I have not written back to you about my Tsubomi, as you know, things have been a bit hectic with the animal control issue, and of course with unexpected condition of Garfunkle. Garfunkle is doing good, he still is not back to normal and may take months before. When I thought I was going to lose him last Friday, I prayed that I needed more time to spend time with him because I was so unexpecting of it.. I feel that my wish was listened somehow, and now God is giving me more time to be with him, I don't know how long it is going to be to tell you the truth, I am just grateful that I have him today. I am taking a day by day, enjoying the time I have with him. His tummy is all extended, probably due to the liver disease and he is still yellow, and am still assist feeding most of the time since he is not taking enough calorie on his own. But he moves around a little bit and does not seem to be in pain. He purrs and loves to be scratched under his chin. Every moment I have with him and (with any of the kitties) is such a precious moment. I am going to treasure every moment.. Tsubomi was confirmed positive on IFA test. But I am not going to be sad - because she is full of a life and has so much energy and affection - she is out of crate now and sharing the space with Ginger - they are not necessarily the best friends, but not enemy either. I am still considering having you (kerry) be the new mommy of Tsubomi.. but I am also trying to see if there is anyway I can keep her with ginger and see if it works out - so if you could give me a bit more time to think about it, I will be so grateful! Ginger is in heat again,, and am still assist feeding her.. now she is with Tsubomi, it's hard to tell how much or if ginger ate anything.. but I am force feeding her anyway - Please please pray that my Garfunkle and Ginger will only get better and will stay with me for a long time. Thank you!! hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry
Thank you very much for your kindness as always, Kerry. And thank you for mentioning about Ghandi and Ruby-E. They are doing great. Ruby-E is doing so much better after dental work and I am so glad - since she is very feral, I really cannot give any medications (it was very traumatic to catch her to take her to the vet for a dental work) - Ghandi is such a sweet baby, he screams at my name (or at least that's how it sounds to me), everytime, I see him, he just loves me and I love him! All of the kittens are doing very well. I wish I could build an extension of the house so that I could provide a bit bigger place for Ginger and Tsubomi Ginger and Tsubomi actually shares (alternates) the top portion of the cat condo so that each can get to see outside resting which makes me very happy! How are all your babies, Kerry? Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Dear Hideyo I'm so glad to hear the news today is good, Hideyo---you and your furballs, especially Garfunkle, have been through such a lot in recent days. I hope Ghandi and Ruby-E are doing well too. Of course, Hideyo---take as much time as you need in deciding about Tsubomi. (I know how big a decision this is for you and her even though she would be going to a loving home.) I'm sorry about her IFA result, and full of admiration for your positive approach. That will be very good for the little sweetheart. Sending lots of healing vibes for Garfunkel's continuing recovery, and lots of positive thoughts for you too, Hideyo. (Don't know how you do it!) till we talk again, love and hugs to you and yours, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 3:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Hi, I am sorry that I have not written back to you about my Tsubomi, as you know, things have been a bit hectic with the animal control issue, and of course with unexpected condition of Garfunkle. Garfunkle is doing good, he still is not back to normal and may take months before. When I thought I was going to lose him last Friday, I prayed that I needed more time to spend time with him because I was so unexpecting of it.. I feel that my wish was listened somehow, and now God is giving me more time to be with him, I don't know how long it is going to be to tell you the truth, I am just grateful that I have him today. I am taking a day by day, enjoying the time I have with him. His tummy is all extended, probably due to the liver disease and he is still yellow, and am still assist feeding most of the time since he is not taking enough calorie on his own. But he moves around a little bit and does not seem to be in pain. He purrs and loves to be scratched under his chin. Every moment I have with him and (with any of the kitties) is such a precious moment. I am going to treasure every moment.. Tsubomi was confirmed positive on IFA test. But I am not going to be sad - because she is full of a life and has so much energy and affection - she is out of crate now and sharing the space with Ginger - they are not necessarily the best friends, but not enemy either. I am still considering having you (kerry) be the new mommy of Tsubomi.. but I am also trying to see if there is anyway I can keep her with ginger and see if it works out - so if you could give me a bit more time to think about it, I will be so grateful! Ginger is in heat again,, and am still assist feeding her.. now she is with Tsubomi, it's hard to tell how much or if ginger ate anything.. but I am force feeding her anyway - Please please pray that my Garfunkle and Ginger will only get better and will stay with me for a long time. Thank you!! hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should
RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry
Mine are doing well; no one is sick just now, knock on wood, thanks, Hideyo. I'm still a bit clumsy with Pookie's subQs---I had thought I had it straightened out but I went thru 2 needles last night. He's very patient with me luckily. My other cats are slowly getting used to him. He is very serene---he simply ignores all the stare-downs, and the occasional Tiger-swat. He's a real class act. I heard a bit more about his history---he was living in a car this summer, with his human mom, in the sweltering heat. She apparently was buying ice bags to keep them both cool. I don't know how his CRF figured in all this. She has had Pookie all his life (he's 15) since she was a teen, so she must badly miss him. It seems she will be in a situation to take him back around Christmas. I've never fostered for someone before. I know already it will be tough to give him up, though. He has a home with me as long as he needs. I'm going to be in touch with Nina re Tiger. I need to figure out what's going on with him and how to help him. He goes outside the box once every other week now. My instinct tells me it's stress-related partly because he doesn't get enough attention to meet his needs (which are much greater than my other cats)...maybe he really is a cat that needs to be on his own with no competition. My positives, Mickey and Momcat seem fine, as do my other two negs, Trixie and Katyis... Thanks for asking! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 4:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Thank you very much for your kindness as always, Kerry. And thank you for mentioning about Ghandi and Ruby-E. They are doing great. Ruby-E is doing so much better after dental work and I am so glad - since she is very feral, I really cannot give any medications (it was very traumatic to catch her to take her to the vet for a dental work) - Ghandi is such a sweet baby, he screams at my name (or at least that's how it sounds to me), everytime, I see him, he just loves me and I love him! All of the kittens are doing very well. I wish I could build an extension of the house so that I could provide a bit bigger place for Ginger and Tsubomi Ginger and Tsubomi actually shares (alternates) the top portion of the cat condo so that each can get to see outside resting which makes me very happy! How are all your babies, Kerry? Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Dear Hideyo I'm so glad to hear the news today is good, Hideyo---you and your furballs, especially Garfunkle, have been through such a lot in recent days. I hope Ghandi and Ruby-E are doing well too. Of course, Hideyo---take as much time as you need in deciding about Tsubomi. (I know how big a decision this is for you and her even though she would be going to a loving home.) I'm sorry about her IFA result, and full of admiration for your positive approach. That will be very good for the little sweetheart. Sending lots of healing vibes for Garfunkel's continuing recovery, and lots of positive thoughts for you too, Hideyo. (Don't know how you do it!) till we talk again, love and hugs to you and yours, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 3:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Hi, I am sorry that I have not written back to you about my Tsubomi, as you know, things have been a bit hectic with the animal control issue, and of course with unexpected condition of Garfunkle. Garfunkle is doing good, he still is not back to normal and may take months before. When I thought I was going to lose him last Friday, I prayed that I needed more time to spend time with him because I was so unexpecting of it.. I feel that my wish was listened somehow, and now God is giving me more time to be with him, I don't know how long it is going to be to tell you the truth, I am just grateful that I have him today. I am taking a day by day, enjoying the time I have with him. His tummy is all extended, probably due to the liver disease and he is still yellow, and am still assist feeding most of the time since he is not taking enough calorie on his own. But he moves around a little bit and does not seem to be in pain. He purrs and loves to be scratched under his chin. Every moment I have with him and (with any of the kitties) is such a precious moment. I am going to treasure every moment.. Tsubomi was confirmed positive on IFA test. But I am not going to be sad - because she is full of a life and has so much energy and
RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry
Kerry, did I tell you about terumo needles? Let me ship some to you. If you are using Monoject right now, you will find much easier to use terumo -- it's so smooth that you don't even know that you are poking... with Monoject.. I had to use a couple of needles when Papa needed fluid (he is my FIV boy who had a very thick skin) because it took so much to poke - Wow, it will be hard to give up Pookie, won't it? I have 4 cats that I reclaimed from the pound the other day (the owner is in jail) and am going to have a hard time to return them to her once she gets out of jail, because she is sort of drug addict and she has some other mental illness and am worried that their safety might be at risk.. they are just so scared right now.. but started coming out a little bit --- I love them very much, too! As for Tiger, have you tried to add another box in a separate place or put a litter box not filled with litter, but with a towel or something.. your instinct is probably right and maybe there is something that can fix with homeopathy, which I will ask with my doctor.. the mean time, you might want to try to add another litter box with different litter or but old rug in the litter box (it works very well with a couple of my non-litter box user kitties) Love, Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 3:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Mine are doing well; no one is sick just now, knock on wood, thanks, Hideyo. I'm still a bit clumsy with Pookie's subQs---I had thought I had it straightened out but I went thru 2 needles last night. He's very patient with me luckily. My other cats are slowly getting used to him. He is very serene---he simply ignores all the stare-downs, and the occasional Tiger-swat. He's a real class act. I heard a bit more about his history---he was living in a car this summer, with his human mom, in the sweltering heat. She apparently was buying ice bags to keep them both cool. I don't know how his CRF figured in all this. She has had Pookie all his life (he's 15) since she was a teen, so she must badly miss him. It seems she will be in a situation to take him back around Christmas. I've never fostered for someone before. I know already it will be tough to give him up, though. He has a home with me as long as he needs. I'm going to be in touch with Nina re Tiger. I need to figure out what's going on with him and how to help him. He goes outside the box once every other week now. My instinct tells me it's stress-related partly because he doesn't get enough attention to meet his needs (which are much greater than my other cats)...maybe he really is a cat that needs to be on his own with no competition. My positives, Mickey and Momcat seem fine, as do my other two negs, Trixie and Katyis... Thanks for asking! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 4:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Thank you very much for your kindness as always, Kerry. And thank you for mentioning about Ghandi and Ruby-E. They are doing great. Ruby-E is doing so much better after dental work and I am so glad - since she is very feral, I really cannot give any medications (it was very traumatic to catch her to take her to the vet for a dental work) - Ghandi is such a sweet baby, he screams at my name (or at least that's how it sounds to me), everytime, I see him, he just loves me and I love him! All of the kittens are doing very well. I wish I could build an extension of the house so that I could provide a bit bigger place for Ginger and Tsubomi Ginger and Tsubomi actually shares (alternates) the top portion of the cat condo so that each can get to see outside resting which makes me very happy! How are all your babies, Kerry? Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Dear Hideyo I'm so glad to hear the news today is good, Hideyo---you and your furballs, especially Garfunkle, have been through such a lot in recent days. I hope Ghandi and Ruby-E are doing well too. Of course, Hideyo---take as much time as you need in deciding about Tsubomi. (I know how big a decision this is for you and her even though she would be going to a loving home.) I'm sorry about her IFA result, and full of admiration for your positive approach. That will be very good for the little sweetheart. Sending lots of healing vibes for Garfunkel's continuing recovery, and lots of positive thoughts for you too, Hideyo. (Don't know how you do it!) till we talk again, love
need advise: diet for liver problem kitties
If you have any suggestion as to diet for liver problem kitties, I would really appreciate it! I know that I have to give good protein food but what should I give? This is for my miracle cat, Garfunkle and I appreciate any information, thank you!!!
Re: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry
Funny, I hate Terumo needles. I find them very hard to open and always end up pricking myself and having to throw the needle out. For that reason I prefer Monoject. Michelle In a message dated 11/18/2005 6:55:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kerry, did I tell you about terumo needles? Let me ship some to you.If you are using Monoject right now, you will find much easier to useterumo -- it's so smooth that you don't even know that you are poking...with Monoject..
RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry
Actually, I agree on that I hate opening part and I cant get the cap off easily and ended up poking myself a lot, too J - though once you go through all that,, poking part is much smoother, dont you think, Michelle? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 4:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Funny, I hate Terumo needles. I find them very hard to open and always end up pricking myself and having to throw the needle out. For that reason I prefer Monoject. Michelle In a message dated 11/18/2005 6:55:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kerry, did I tell you about terumo needles? Let me ship some to you. If you are using Monoject right now, you will find much easier to use terumo -- it's so smooth that you don't even know that you are poking... with Monoject..
Re: need advise: diet for liver problem kitties
Hills has a prescription liver diet called L/D. Lucy actually gets it combined with K/D right now because her bladder stone was ammonia urate and this is the diet they recommend to try to keep it from coming back. I generally don't like Hills because they put a lot of crap in their food (by-products and such), but if you really think he has liver problems you might want to try it. I do use Hills when a prescription diet is actually needed. IVD, another prescription food company, tends to put better ingredients in their food, and you can also get it online without a prescription. They might have a liver formula as well. A very good supplement for liver health is SAMe, which you can buy in the health food stores. Vets sell a version of SAMe called Denasyl, which they prescribe specifically for cats with liver failure, but all it is is SAMe and it is more expensive. I am not sure of the SAMe dosage for a cat, but you could look up Denasyl online and see how much SAMe is in each pill. Michelle In a message dated 11/18/2005 6:55:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you have any suggestion as to diet for liver problem kitties, I would really appreciate it! I know that I have to give good protein food – but what should I give? This is for my miracle cat, Garfunkle and I appreciate any information, thank you!!!
RE: need advise: diet for liver problem kitties
Thank you, Michelle I know what you mean by Hills I do use A/D and K/D occasionally.. at least they dont put BHT or BHA on these ones. Do you happen to have a link to IVD? Garfunkles tummy is all extended, I think its because of liver his blood work shows liver inflammation and he is jaundice Right now, I am force feeding baby food or KMR with syringe as it is hard to give any solid food. Do you think liver shake is bad for liver problem kitties? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 5:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: need advise: diet for liver problem kitties Hills has a prescription liver diet called L/D. Lucy actually gets it combined with K/D right now because her bladder stone was ammonia urate and this is the diet they recommend to try to keep it from coming back. I generally don't like Hills because they put a lot of crap in their food (by-products and such), but if you really think he has liver problems you might want to try it. I do use Hills when a prescription diet is actually needed. IVD, another prescription food company, tends to put better ingredients in their food, and you can also get it online without a prescription. They might have a liver formula as well. A very good supplement for liver health is SAMe, which you can buy in the health food stores. Vets sell a version of SAMe called Denasyl, which they prescribe specifically for cats with liver failure, but all it is is SAMe and it is more expensive. I am not sure of the SAMe dosage for a cat, but you could look up Denasyl online and see how much SAMe is in each pill. Michelle In a message dated 11/18/2005 6:55:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you have any suggestion as to diet for liver problem kitties, I would really appreciate it! I know that I have to give good protein food but what should I give? This is for my miracle cat, Garfunkle and I appreciate any information, thank you!!!
Re: New to FeLV (Kerry - warning Long)
Hi Kerry, Yes we went to Missouri in May of 95 and moved back here (Washington state), and yes it is my little Bailey I am talking about. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Cardiomyapathy leg paralysis
Hi Del, I belong to this feline heart group on Yahoo, my Joey has mild cardiomyapathy: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-heart/ -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Belinda/Websites
Hi Belinda, I have seen some of your websites for different rescues. They are awesome!! Can you make one for me? What do I need to doand sendto you to make a site for me? Thanks for what you do! P.S. If things work out right I may only be moving my rescue and home about 30 miles which is closer than 200 miles. Husband agreed that we should stay within the area for awhile. (Snohomish County in WA.) Regardless of the taxes. Will let everyone know as soon as I know for sure. Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/
Re: Cardiomyapathy leg paralysis
Thanks, Belinda. I have now joined. My Effie passed away in March, FeLV+ and lymphoma and I'm not ready to lose another so soon ... we never are and just about everyone on this list has experienced it :( Del - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Cardiomyapathy leg paralysis Hi Del, I belong to this feline heart group on Yahoo, my Joey has mild cardiomyapathy: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-heart/ -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Cardiomyapathy leg paralysis
It's not a hugely busy list but they get talking when there is something to talk about. Mike sisters 18 year old cat had this happen last year, they had to express his bladder and it took quite awhile of physical therepy (she would massage his back legs) and lots of love but he did pull out of it. The vet didn't think he would, unfortunetly he did pass away about 4 months after they got him all well again. I think he died peacefully in his sleep, so all in all he did pretty well and the vet said he was never in pain. I pray that Sam does even better. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Belinda/Websites
On that same note, Belinda, if you need space, you can delete all the stuff out of my account you set up for me while mine was down. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html"Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal."~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/175 - Release Date: 11/18/2005
