Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health
Does anyone have any information about Feline Pine?GinaTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard that a problem with corn litter is that dogs can't eat just one !!!And some have been hospitalized from eating too muchTad[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yes, I have to say I found the organic thing kind of amusing. I eat organic food myself, and try to buy it for the animals, but never really thought about organic litter! :) I have found it in every pet food store I have shopped at, except maybe the big ones like Petsmart. Basically any place that sellshealthycat foodslike Wellness and Innova should carry it. It is pricey. I think it's $17 for a 20 pound bag. But it lasts a really long time. You can scoop it, and it keeps odor down better than any cat litter I have ever found. It has no odor itself, other than a faint corn smell.MichelleIn a message dated 7/4/2006 6:15:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks. So you can get World's Best Cat Litter in the US? When I found their website they didn't have a retailer listed in the US. Where do you buy it? I'm guessing it's pricey too. I'm pleased about using something that is biodegradable and not a health risk to me or my babies, but I'm not to worried about my cats pooping in non-organic litter. N No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.
Re: Lucy update
I will try the rice bran..I just never thought about it, but it will help hold the water in same as oat bran, I guess. Hope Lucy is feeling better now... Kerry and Bandy Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Bandy's latest
He is sick again...He started limping on the left leg Sunday and it seemed to be causing him some pain so I started giving him some pain meds and also a dex on Sunday..He is eating and drinking some, but since he was to go to eye spec. on today, I thought I had better have him checked out since he wasn't any better on Wed..So he had 105.5 temp and very out of it...I hope we caught this in time this time...anyway his vet here thinks we should go back to the internal med specialist to have a bone scan done cause the leg problems are just going back and forth...this is about the 4th or 5th time he has been in for this in the last 6 wks...he gets better then it goes to the other leg with some soft tissue swelling...Any of you had any sort of trouble like this? I did ask about the RA tests and she said sometimes they aren't conclusive...so MRI or bone scan or something on that line might tell us what is going on...She is suppose to call the specialist today...so I hope we get an appt. asap..We are going to start the IR on Monday cause his temp needs to be down when we give the first injection..Anyway, the eye appt is off for now..have to re-schedule.. Please keep him in your prayers once again... Hope everyone else is doing good today. Kerry and Bandy Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health
I used to use something called mountain cat litter years ago, it was a pine based litter. I stopped using it when I heard pine was deadly for cats. I never had a problem but I just figured it wasn't worth any risk if there was one. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Bandy's latest
I'm so sorry you and Bandy are going through this. Please keep us posted - prayers going up for you both. elizabeth In a message dated 7/6/2006 4:48:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He is sick again...He started limping on the left leg Sunday and it seemed to be causing him some pain so I started giving him some pain meds and also a dex on Sunday..He is eating and drinking some, but since he was to go to eye spec. on today, I thought I had better have him checked out since he wasn't any better on Wed..So he had 105.5 temp and very out of it...I hope we caught this in time this time...anyway his vet here thinks we should go back to the internal med specialist to have a bone scan done cause the leg problems are just going back and forth...this is about the 4th or 5th time he has been in for this in the last 6 wks...he gets better then it goes to the other leg with some soft tissue swelling...Any of you had any sort of trouble like this? I did ask about the RA tests and she said sometimes they aren't conclusive...so MRI or bone scan or something on that line might tell us what is going on...She is suppose to call the specialist today...so I hope we get an appt. asap..We are going to start the IR on Monday cause his temp needs to be down when we give the first injection..Anyway, the eye appt is off for now..have to re-schedule.. Please keep him in your prayers once again... Hope everyone else is doing good today. Kerry and Bandy
Re: Bandy's latest
I'm sorry he is doing badly again. I would guess rheumatoid arthritis or polyarthritis. Polyarthritis is an auto-immune reaction. Does it get better when he gets dex shots? Polyarthritis would. Have you started the Immuno-Regulin? Michelle In a message dated 7/6/2006 7:48:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He is sick again...He started limping on the left leg Sunday and it seemed to be causing him some pain so I started giving him some pain meds and also a dex on Sunday..He is eating and drinking some, but since he was to go to eye spec. on today, I thought I had better have him checked out since he wasn't any better on Wed..So he had 105.5 temp and very out of it...I hope we caught this in time this time...anyway his vet here thinks we should go back to the internal med specialist to have a bone scan done cause the leg problems are just going back and forth...this is about the 4th or 5th time he has been in for this in the last 6 wks...he gets better then it goes to the other leg with some soft tissue swelling...Any of you had any sort of trouble like this? I did ask about the RA tests and she said sometimes they aren't conclusive...so MRI or bone scan or something on that line might tell us what is going on...She is suppose to call the specialist today...so I hope we get an appt. asap..We are going to start the IR on Monday cause his temp needs to be down when we give the first injection..Anyway, the eye appt is off for now..have to re-schedule.. Please keep him in your prayers once again... Hope everyone else is doing good today. Kerry and Bandy
Looking for a kitten in NY
Can anyone help her? 1179865- Kitten:dshboonville,NY 3159426282 pk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7-04-2006 Name: kittenAge:youngSex:FSize:SDelete looking to adopt a kitten preferably white, orange, or black and white . will travel a little ways to pick up. can be a female or male.indoor cat only do not beleive in declawing.its for my daughter she lost her older cat to an illness and would like to get her a new kitty. __._,_.___ Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/SNOHOMISH_COUNTY_PETS_in_WAhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
Looking for a Siamese kitten around PA
In a message dated 7/5/2006 5:11:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1179708- Cat:SiameseBushkill,PA 570 588-9448 Barbara [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7-03-2006 Delete I am looking to adopt a Siamese kitten. I have excellent references from the vet which I would supply. I had a Siamese for 14 years and she passed away. I have 3 Shih Tzu from rescue groups and they are sweethearts, very gentle. I am more than willing to give a generous donation and take care of the shots and spaying. Please contact me. Thank you barbara __._,_.___ Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/SNOHOMISH_COUNTY_PETS_in_WAhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
Re: Looking for a kitten in NY
Is she looking for a positive? Because Ilene on this list has a positive kitten in NJ and her mom is forcing her to take the kitten to a shelter. Michelle In a message dated 7/6/2006 11:44:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: anyone help her?
Re: Looking for a kitten in NY
I don't know it was forwarded to me. In a message dated 7/6/2006 11:59:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is she looking for a positive? Because Ilene on this list has a positive kitten in NJ and her mom is forcing her to take the kitten to a shelter. Michelle In a message dated 7/6/2006 11:44:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: anyone help her? Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/SNOHOMISH_COUNTY_PETS_in_WAhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
Re: FIV infected kittes--MY soapbox!
mek: I'm seriously thinking of trying to figure out a way to condense what you said Mary into something concise enough to attach as part of my 'signature' - likewise for FeLV which research (and caregiver experience) are proving to be no where near the automatic death sentence it was once thought to be. Thanks for posting this! /mari here are two of the better articles on FIV: http://www.afa.arlington.ma.us/FIV.htmlhttp://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfm MC-- -- /mari (SpiritCat)Until there are none, adopt one.SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkeesof southeastern Texas[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bandy's latest
We are going to start IR on Monday as she wanted to make sure we get his temp down..He ate for me just now...and I did see him go to the dry food bowl and litter box..His leg is still swollen, but I think some of that is the fluids that he got yesterday.. She has an incubator that is heated with oxygen..She said we would put him in it after he gets the IR injection just in case of the temp rise and chills...guess he would be comfortable in it. I leave one bed in his room with a heating pad under it on low all the time...He will get in it at times as I think it makes him feel better.. Kerry and Bandy Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better.
Re: Bandy's latest
Kerry, I do think Ginger's reaction is rare. So you might want to wait and see before putting him in an incubator. I don't think fluids from yesterday would be in his leg today unless he has edema or something. I think something else is going on. Michelle In a message dated 7/6/2006 5:20:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We are going to start IR on Monday as she wanted to make sure we get his temp down..He ate for me just now...and I did see him go to the dry food bowl and litter box..His leg is still swollen, but I think some of that is the fluids that he got yesterday.. She has an incubator that is heated with oxygen..She said we would put him in it after he gets the IR injection just in case of the temp rise and chills...guess he would be comfortable in it. I leave one bed in his room with a heating pad under it on low all the time...He will get in it at times as I think it makes him feel better.. Kerry and Bandy
this groups is so much nicer than other groups!
I just had to unsubscribe to a feline IBD group. I had unsubscribed to the other one months ago. The people on it are so mean! On the first group, the moderator had all messages going through her, and literally sent me back almost every one of my posts to say I either had not included enough of the last post in the thread or had included too much of it. And sometimes she would send them back many hours or even days after I had tried to post. So much for getting help! When I told her that I knew someone who had unsubscribed for this reason and that I was finding it challenging and just needed support, she wrote back saying that me and my friends had a lot of nerve to think that rules should not apply to us! So I unsubscribed and joined a different one.This oneis fairly inactive, but boy are people mean sometimes! Someone whose cat is having terrible IBD symptoms is not eating, and she wrote asking what medicines are normally given for IBD and what to do about food and fluids. She said her cat was eating a little A/D. I wrote back about fatty liver and her cat needing food, but also said that A/D is not good for IBD, and that she should maybe try plain turkey, and that if she needs to force feed she can blend plain turkey with water to do so, pending a vet visit (and she is waiting for raw food to be delivered). I then explained about fluids, and about pred and flagyl and the pluses and minuses. Two people posted very nasty responses about where do i get off saying that a cat who is having trouble eating should not have A/D, that this is offensive, that I am acting like a vet when i have no expertise, etc. etc. etc. Given what I have been going through with Lucy and her IBD recently (and her appetite got way worse when I fed her stuff bad for her IBD and it gave her watery diarrhea, so that is what I was speaking from), it is not worth it to be treated that way. So I unsubscribed from that list too. All of which is to say, thank God for this group. It is the nicest group around, and I hope it always stays that way. We have different opinions, but we all recognize that we care about our cats and each other's cats, and each other, and that we are just offering what we can. And we keep open minds and change our opinions, too! Thanks for being there, everyone! Michelle
Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health
This is so strange. I would like to know more about pine being a hazard to cats. There are several ferals and/or throw aways who live at/near my Mom's. Most of them stay in the pine thicket behind her house or sleep under the pine trees at the side. I really would appreciate more information if anyone has any. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 6:50 AM Subject: Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health I used to use something called mountain cat litter years ago, it was a pine based litter. I stopped using it when I heard pine was deadly for cats. I never had a problem but I just figured it wasn't worth any risk if there was one. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006
Re: this groups is so much nicer than other groups!
Ain't it the truth!! I had the same experience with one of these groups you mentioned. I had no where else to turn when Gypsy was suffering so I stuck it out and tried to be as accommodating as I could. If you look back in our archives I'm sure you'll find the post where I bitched about them and sung our group's praises too. There's no place like home, and this list feels like HOME! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had to unsubscribe to a feline IBD group. I had unsubscribed to the other one months ago. The people on it are so mean! On the first group, the moderator had all messages going through her, and literally sent me back almost every one of my posts to say I either had not included enough of the last post in the thread or had included too much of it. And sometimes she would send them back many hours or even days after I had tried to post. So much for getting help! When I told her that I knew someone who had unsubscribed for this reason and that I was finding it challenging and just needed support, she wrote back saying that me and my friends had a lot of nerve to think that rules should not apply to us! So I unsubscribed and joined a different one.This oneis fairly inactive, but boy are people mean sometimes! Someone whose cat is having terrible IBD symptoms is not eating, and she wrote asking what medicines are normally given for IBD and what to do about food and fluids. She said her cat was eating a little A/D. I wrote back about fatty liver and her cat needing food, but also said that A/D is not good for IBD, and that she should maybe try plain turkey, and that if she needs to force feed she can blend plain turkey with water to do so, pending a vet visit (and she is waiting for raw food to be delivered). I then explained about fluids, and about pred and flagyl and the pluses and minuses. Two people posted very nasty responses about where do i get off saying that a cat who is having trouble eating should not have A/D, that this is offensive, that I am acting like a vet when i have no expertise, etc. etc. etc. Given what I have been going through with Lucy and her IBD recently (and her appetite got way worse when I fed her stuff bad for her IBD and it gave her watery diarrhea, so that is what I was speaking from), it is not worth it to be treated that way. So I unsubscribed from that list too. All of which is to say, thank God for this group. It is the nicest group around, and I hope it always stays that way. We have different opinions, but we all recognize that we care about our cats and each other's cats, and each other, and that we are just offering what we can. And we keep open minds and change our opinions, too! Thanks for being there, everyone! Michelle
Re: Bandy's latest
Kerry and Bandy, My prayers and thoughts are with you guys. I'm glad he feels well enough again to eat something. Take care of yourself too. It's been non-stop for you and your kids for a very long time. Bless you sweetheart, much love, Nina Kerry Roach wrote: We are going to start IR on Monday as she wanted to make sure we get his temp down..He ate for me just now...and I did see him go to the dry food bowl and litter box..His leg is still swollen, but I think some of that is the fluids that he got yesterday.. She has an incubator that is heated with oxygen..She said we would put him in it after he gets the IR injection just in case of the temp rise and chills...guess he would be comfortable in it. I leave one bed in his room with a heating pad under it on low all the time...He will get in it at times as I think it makes him feel better.. Kerry and Bandy
Re: this groups is so much nicer than other groups!
I just wanted totell you allthat when I first found out Pippin had a faint positive FeLV test result I thought it was an automatic death sentence. If not for what I have learned on the Internet and in this group, I might have made the wrong decision regarding her future. This group has helped me so much emotionally too,just by reading about your cats and experiences.With thanks, GinaNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ain't it the truth!! I had the same experience with one of these groups you mentioned. I had no where else to turn when Gypsy was suffering so I stuck it out and tried to be as accommodating as I could. If you look back in our archives I'm sure you'll find the post where I bitched about them and sung our group's praises too. There's no place like home, and this list feels like HOME! Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had to unsubscribe to a feline IBD group. I had unsubscribed to the other one months ago. The people on it are so mean! On the first group, the moderator had all messages going through her, and literally sent me back almost every one of my posts to say I either had not included enough of the last post in the thread or had included too much of it. And sometimes she would send them back many hours or even days after I had tried to post. So much for getting help! When I told her that I knew someone who had unsubscribed for this reason and that I was finding it challenging and just needed support, she wrote back saying that me and my friends had a lot of nerve to think that rules should not apply to us! So I unsubscribed and joined a different one.This oneis fairly inactive, but boy are people mean sometimes! Someone whose cat is having terrible IBD symptoms is not eating, and she wrote asking what medicines are normally given for IBD and what to do about food and fluids. She said her cat was eating a little A/D. I wrote back about fatty liver and her cat needing food, but also said that A/D is not good for IBD, and that she should maybe try plain turkey, and that if she needs to force feed she can blend plain turkey with water to do so, pending a vet visit (and she is waiting for raw food to be delivered). I then explained about fluids, and about pred and flagyl and the pluses and minuses. Two people posted very nasty responses about where do i get off saying that a cat who is having trouble eating should not have A/D, that this is offensive, that I am acting like a vet when i have no expertise, etc. etc. etc. Given what I have been going through with Lucy and her IBD recently (and her appetite got way worse when I fed her stuff bad for her IBD and it gave her watery diarrhea, so that is what I was speaking from), it is not worth it to be treated that way. So I unsubscribed from that list too.All of which is to say, thank God for this group. It is the nicest group around, and I hope it always stays that way. We have different opinions, but we all recognize that we care about our cats and each other's cats, and each other, and that we are just offering what we can. And we keep open minds and change our opinions, too! Thanks for being there, everyone! MichelleNo heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health
From Best Friends Website: http://www.bestfriends.com/archives/forums/031405pocket.html Why are certain types of wood shavings dangerous? Question from Karey: Last week, the forum guest talked about different types of litter for cats, and one of the members mentioned in a question that pine/cedar litter or bedding is not good for rabbits and pocket pets. Can you explain why that is? And is it safe for cats, for that matter? Or humans? What if we rescue a pocket pet from a situation and they had been previously exposed to pine/cedar bedding? Should we be on the lookout for any symptoms? Response from Dr. Mark: Softwoods such as pine, fir, redwood, and especially cedar, are high in aromatic wood oils; that's what makes cedar smell like cedar, for instance. These oils are pleasant smelling, making these woods popular for use as bedding (they're also cheap). The problem is, the oils released from the woods can be toxic if inhaled for long periods of time, or if absorbed through the skin and/or licked off the skin when grooming. For cat litter box use, these oils are a minimal concern; the cat isn't living in the box (well, we hope not anyway!) and isn't in constant contact with the material. Some paper litters are even scented with cedar oil, and this is ok. But a rodent living in the litter material, contacting it constantly, and breathing the aromatic oil fumes at close range constantly, can have medical problems as a result. One problem can be skin irritation, especially if the pet develops an allergic reaction to the oils. I've seen mice housed on cedar who lost all the hair on their faces and were extremely red and itchy, until the cedar chips were removed. Studies with rats showed that when housed on pine, fir or cedar chips, they all had enlarged livers (due to constant detoxifying of the absorbed oils by the liver), and mild to moderate lung damage. When housed on recycled paper bedding (non scented) or hardwood bedding (birch, aspen, alder) there were no signs of toxicity. So if it's a house cat or house rabbit who occasionally uses a litter box, exposure to litter materials is brief and probably of minimal concern. Cage bedding, on the other hand, poses a threat of long-term heavy exposure to toxic oils if the wrong materials are used. Animals previously housed on cedar, etc, may have minimal outward signs of problems. If they do show lung or skin problems, these could be other diseases as well, i.e. respiratory infections, mites on the skin, etc. The bedding may contribute to lung or skin problems, but is rarely the whole answer; other disease is often present if obvious symptoms are seen. Simply prevent further exposure to the wrong beddings, and treat whatever illness may be present. Nothing else can be easily done; the body hopefully will eliminate any wood oils once exposure is halted. Another website mentioning it: http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/guineapigs/tp/tpbedding.htm I was using the Mountain Cat back in the late early 90's, and like I said I never noticed any problem, but I had read a few articles about it possibly causing problems and I just decided it wasn't worth any possible risk. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health
I do know the only time I ever mopped my floors with Pine Sol, my cat Skeeter got sick and didn't feel well for about 3 days. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health
I doubt the trees themselves, or the bark, is a problem. In fact, maritime pine bark extract is a health supplement, renowned for its antioxidant effects, and i gave it to my dog Fern when she had cancer and she did really well on it. I think it is the pine oil that is the problem, which is on the inside of the tree and just comes out when they process the wood. Cedar is the same. Michelle In a message dated 7/6/2006 8:18:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is so strange. I would like to know more about pine being a hazard to cats. There are several ferals and/or throw aways who live at/near my Mom's. Most of them stay in the pine thicket behind her house or sleep under the pine trees at the side. I really would appreciate more information if anyone has any.
Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health
Thank you for posting this - very interesting article. I too, was wondering about pine litterbecause Mama Kitty's favorite parlor spot is digging a deep hole in the pine mulch I've put around trees and in flower beds. She's there briefly though and goes to great lengths to disguise the fact that she visited. After reading this, I'm thinking that her brief visits in the outside environment may not pose such as threat as say breathing it long term in a closed environment or sleeping there on a regular basis in a very closed space. I also suspect that some animals might be more sensitive than others and the aromatic oils could well cause allergic reactions in sensitive kitties. This is good info elizabeth In a message dated 7/6/2006 6:30:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From Best Friends Website:http://www.bestfriends.com/archives/forums/031405pocket.htmlWhy are certain types of wood shavings dangerous?Question from Karey:Last week, the forum guest talked about different types of litter for cats, and one of the members mentioned in a question that pine/cedar litter or bedding is not good for rabbits and pocket pets.Can you explain why that is? And is it safe for cats, for that matter? Or humans? What if we rescue a pocket pet from a situation and they had been previously exposed to pine/cedar bedding? Should we be on the lookout for any symptoms?Response from Dr. Mark:Softwoods such as pine, fir, redwood, and especially cedar, are high in aromatic wood oils; that's what makes cedar smell like cedar, for instance. These oils are pleasant smelling, making these woods popular for use as bedding (they're also cheap). The problem is, the oils released from the woods can be toxic if inhaled for long periods of time, or if absorbed through the skin and/or licked off the skin when grooming. For cat litter box use, these oils are a minimal concern; the cat isn't living in the box (well, we hope not anyway!) and isn't in constant contact with the material. Some paper litters are even scented with cedar oil, and this is ok.But a rodent living in the litter material, contacting it constantly, and breathing the aromatic oil fumes at close range constantly, can have medical problems as a result. One problem can be skin irritation, especially if the pet develops an allergic reaction to the oils. I've seen mice housed on cedar who lost all the hair on their faces and were extremely red and itchy, until the cedar chips were removed. Studies with rats showed that when housed on pine, fir or cedar chips, they all had enlarged livers (due to constant detoxifying of the absorbed oils by the liver), and mild to moderate lung damage. When housed on recycled paper bedding (non scented) or hardwood bedding (birch, aspen, alder) there were no signs of toxicity.So if it's a house cat or house rabbit who occasionally uses a litter box, exposure to litter materials is brief and probably of minimal concern. Cage bedding, on the other hand, poses a threat of long-term heavy exposure to toxic oils if the wrong materials are used.Animals previously housed on cedar, etc, may have minimal outward signs of problems. If they do show lung or skin problems, these could be other diseases as well, i.e. respiratory infections, mites on the skin, etc. The bedding may contribute to lung or skin problems, but is rarely the whole answer; other disease is often present if obvious symptoms are seen. Simply prevent further exposure to the wrong beddings, and treat whatever illness may be present. Nothing else can be easily done; the body hopefully will eliminate any wood oils once exposure is halted. Another website mentioning it:http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/guineapigs/tp/tpbedding.htmI was using the Mountain Cat back in the late early 90's, and like I said I never noticed any problem, but I had read a few articles about it possibly causing problems and I just decided it wasn't worth any possible risk.-- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health
I think you are right about this. Quincy has used pine litter for years with no problem, and Lucy seems to have (though it could be coincidental) gotten a flare-up of her IBD just from using it for a few days. Michelle In a message dated 7/6/2006 9:46:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also suspect that some animals might be more sensitive than others and the aromatic oils could well cause allergic reactions in sensitive kitties. This is good info elizabeth
Re: this groups is so much nicer than other groups!
michelle thank you for being here for us...sorry about the other groups.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had to unsubscribe to a feline IBD group. I had unsubscribed to the other one months ago. The people on it are so mean! On the first group, the moderator had all messages going through her, and literally sent me back almost every one of my posts to say I either had not included enough of the last post in the thread or had included too much of it. And sometimes she would send them back many hours or even days after I had tried to post. So much for getting help! When I told her that I knew someone who had unsubscribed for this reason and that I was finding it challenging and just needed support, she wrote back saying that me and my friends had a lot of nerve to think that rules should not apply to us! So I unsubscribed and joined a different one.This oneis fairly inactive, but boy are people mean sometimes! Someone whose cat is having terrible IBD symptoms is not eating, and she wrote asking what medicines are normally given for IBD and what to do about food and fluids. She said her cat was eating a little A/D. I wrote back about fatty liver and her cat needing food, but also said that A/D is not good for IBD, and that she should maybe try plain turkey, and that if she needs to force feed she can blend plain turkey with water to do so, pending a vet visit (and she is waiting for raw food to be delivered). I then explained about fluids, and about pred and flagyl and the pluses and minuses. Two people posted very nasty responses about where do i get off saying that a cat who is having trouble eating should not have A/D, that this is offensive, that I am acting like a vet when i have no expertise, etc. etc. etc. Given what I have been going through with Lucy and her IBD recently (and her appetite got way worse when I fed her stuff bad for her IBD and it gave her watery diarrhea, so that is what I was speaking from), it is not worth it to be treated that way. So I unsubscribed from that list too.All of which is to say, thank God for this group. It is the nicest group around, and I hope it always stays that way. We have different opinions, but we all recognize that we care about our cats and each other's cats, and each other, and that we are just offering what we can. And we keep open minds and change our opinions, too! Thanks for being there, everyone! Michelle Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
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This group has been there for me.My Maizee was already gone when I started posting here but everyone here helped me get through some very hard emotional times.I still have my missing Maizee moments and I know I can come here for the support that I need.THANK YOU ALL!!! Sherry[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:One thing that strikes me about everybody I've seen post on here that I truly appreciate: we are not the kind of people who think ofpetsas decor ordisposable. Whenwe take a pet into our care - it is a commitment. It is love. Frankly, that is exactly the kind of people with whom I want to be associated.Sure - we might not agree...and you might think something I said is the most outrageous thing you ever heard -- but that's ok! We're here to get all the information we can so that we can draw our own conclusions. And you're right -I've changed some opinions about things since I've been here. I know above all else that everyone is here because they care very much.I may not always agree - but I do respect other opinions and recognize toothat others here have a lot more experience with very sick kitties than I do. Michelle, I am glad that you arehere. I too amglad to be a part of a community of people who care so much.In a message dated 7/6/2006 3:15:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I just had to unsubscribe to a feline IBD group. I had unsubscribed to the other one months ago. The people on it are so mean! On the first group, the moderator had all messages going through her, and literally sent me back almost every one of my posts to say I either had not included enough of the last post in the thread or had included too much of it. And sometimes she would send them back many hours or even days after I had tried to post. So much for getting help! When I told her that I knew someone who had unsubscribed for this reason and that I was finding it challenging and just needed support, she wrote back saying that me and my friends had a lot of nerve to think that rules should not apply to us! So I unsubscribed and joined a different one.This oneis fairly inactive, but boy are people mean sometimes! Someone whose cat is having terrible IBD symptoms is not eating, and she wrote asking what medicines are normally given for IBD and what to do about food and fluids. She said her cat was eating a little A/D. I wrote back about fatty liver and her cat needing food, but also said that A/D is not good for IBD, and that she should maybe try plain turkey, and that if she needs to force feed she can blend plain turkey with water to do so, pending a vet visit (and she is waiting for raw food to be delivered). I then explained about fluids, and about pred and flagyl and the pluses and minuses. Two people posted very nasty responses about where do i get off saying that a cat who is having trouble eating should not have A/D, that this is offensive, that I am acting like a vet when i have no expertise, etc. etc. etc. Given what I have been going through with Lucy and her IBD recently (and her appetite got way worse when I fed her stuff bad for her IBD and it gave her watery diarrhea, so that is what I was speaking from), it is not worth it to be treated that way. So I unsubscribed from that list too.All of which is to say, thank God for this group. It is the nicest group around, and I hope it always stays that way. We have different opinions, but we all recognize that we care about our cats and each other's cats, and each other, and that we are just offering what we can. And we keep open minds and change our opinions, too! Thanks for being there, everyone! Michelle Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health
You know, I am wondering now if Lucy is actually allergic/sensitive to all wood products. She got constipated after I put her on pred and was feeding her just plain broiled turkey for a few days, as her intestines calmed down and she was getting no fiber. I then started mixing some rice bran and a little slippery elm into the turkey. She then had blood on her next stool, and now she is starting to have soft stools again, even though still on 10 mg/day of pred. I remember trying slippery elm with her in the fall when her symptoms started, to try to stop diarrhea, and thinking it made her worse. I gave it to her for constipation this time, and I think it brought back her IBD symptoms (if that is what is going on). If this is an IBD flare-up, and not lymphoma, I think it was caused by the feline pine litter. And now I think she is worse because of slippery elm. Which makes me wonder if she is allergic to wood derivatives in general. Michelle
Re: Check out Clumping Clay Kitty Litters and Your Cat's Health
Just a thought, but perhaps peat moss might work. It would track pretty bad though. I was just spreading some in the flowerbeds today, man, the ferals LOVE to poo in it! Anyways, it's a thought. Not sure how toxic peat moss is to cats, but it can't be too bad, my ferals are fine, and they poo, roll, sleep, etc in the stuff. I tried changing the litter, but the pine I switched to may have made Lucy sick. Wheat would probably attract mice too. Clay isn't good for the cats. And I am skittish of the ink in the recycled newspaper. What to do? maybe I will try to order the kanaf litter online. Do mice eat kanaf? i don't think it is a grain, I think it is something they make paper out of, like a bamboo-type plant... Michelle No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006
OT - Need prayers for Ceasar please
You guys all know I caretake a couple of small colonies of ferals. You may have heard me talk about Caesar, the one that got away. He's a big tabby Tom that I tried to trap for a very long time and nothing I came up with worked. He disappeared about a year ago and I figured he was either killed or found a new territory. Well, he showed up a couple of days ago looking really bad. He's emaciated, has open sores all over his body, hair loss from who knows what, and limping on his right rear leg. Yesterday he was in an area that, had I been prepared, I could have gotten a net over him. The feral group I belong to convinced me not to try to net him, since he's an adult intact Tom, even though he's sick. I was very lucky to find someone to borrow a drop trap from and the good news is, I got him tonight. The bad news is, he's even sadder looking up close. He was bleeding from the nose and his drool contained blood too. The vet's office where I take ferals to agreed to see him if I bring him in first thing tomorrow. I'm sick with worry over how bad he looks. I'm afraid she's going to tell me to pts. Please pray that whatever is going on with Ceaser, it's something he can recover from. Thanks everyone, I know how much power this group has, and as always, I appreciate your support, Nina
Re: OT - Need prayers for Ceasar please
Hi, y'all :) I dreamed about Samantha, 2 mornings ago; I had asked her to let me know she was ok, and she did. I dreamed I was petting her, and playing with her, and she was her normal self. :) I guess our furr-babies have their way of wanting us to be ok, after they pass. It was a good dream, and I was very happy that she sent it to me. :) I'm going to see another kitty who needs a new home, tomorrow; her owner is moving to an apartment, and they don't allow pets. I want to meet her, first, see if she likes me. I told her owner she could visit her kitty anytime she wants. :) Julia On Thursday, July 6, 2006, at 11:01 PM, Chris wrote: How great of you to have such concern over a cat that too many people would have ignored. No matter what the outcome tomorrow, he will not die a slow painful death and even if the result tomorrow is grim, you will have spared him that and shown him the love he needs now more than ever. Caesar is indeed very fortunate... Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT - Need prayers for Ceasar please You guys all know I caretake a couple of small colonies of ferals. You may have heard me talk about Caesar, the one that got away. He's a big tabby Tom that I tried to trap for a very long time and nothing I came up with worked. He disappeared about a year ago and I figured he was either killed or found a new territory. Well, he showed up a couple of days ago looking really bad. He's emaciated, has open sores all over his body, hair loss from who knows what, and limping on his right rear leg. Yesterday he was in an area that, had I been prepared, I could have gotten a net over him. The feral group I belong to convinced me not to try to net him, since he's an adult intact Tom, even though he's sick. I was very lucky to find someone to borrow a drop trap from and the good news is, I got him tonight. The bad news is, he's even sadder looking up close. He was bleeding from the nose and his drool contained blood too. The vet's office where I take ferals to agreed to see him if I bring him in first thing tomorrow. I'm sick with worry over how bad he looks. I'm afraid she's going to tell me to pts. Please pray that whatever is going on with Ceaser, it's something he can recover from. Thanks everyone, I know how much power this group has, and as always, I appreciate your support, Nina
Re: OT - Need prayers for Ceasar please
Prayers going up for you and Caesar, Nina. Last year I caught the most pitiful Tom and took him to the vet. He looked terrible. He had large abscesses on both sides of his face, terrible sores, his ears were shredded. What fur he did have was matted beyond belief and he had no fur on his tail. He was quite beat up and his head and face disfigured from his battles. He wasskin and bones. I didn't think he was going to make it but he did!His ear will never look quite right but now he has a beautiful coat and a sweet disposition.I named him Merlin. Afamily in the neighborhood adopted him but any time he gets out he comes to my front porch. I am hoping so much that Caesar will make ittoo. Please let us know how it goes tomorrow. elizabeth In a message dated 7/6/2006 8:42:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You guys all know I caretake a couple of small colonies of ferals. You may have heard me talk about Caesar, "the one that got away". He's a big tabby Tom that I tried to trap for a very long time and nothing I came up with worked. He disappeared about a year ago and I figured he was either killed or found a new territory. Well, he showed up a couple of days ago looking really bad. He's emaciated, has open sores all over his body, hair loss from who knows what, and limping on his right rear leg. Yesterday he was in an area that, had I been prepared, I could have gotten a net over him. The feral group I belong to convinced me not to try to net him, since he's an adult intact Tom, even though he's sick. I was very lucky to find someone to borrow a drop trap from and the good news is, I got him tonight. The bad news is, he's even sadder looking up close. He was bleeding from the nose and his drool contained blood too. The vet's office where I take ferals to agreed to see him if I bring him in first thing tomorrow. I'm sick with worry over how bad he looks. I'm afraid she's going to tell me to pts. Please pray that whatever is going on with Ceaser, it's something he can recover from. Thanks everyone, I know how much power this group has, and as always, I appreciate your support,Nina
Re: this groups is so much nicer than other groups!
Geez, can you say control freak?! lol. I can't imagine being that type of moderator. Did she ask for your bra and underwear sizes before you could join? LOL. Sorry. I just can't understand that type of mentality. I love this group too and hope that it stays supportive and caring. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had to unsubscribe to a feline IBD group. I had unsubscribed to the other one months ago. The people on it are so mean! On the first group, the moderator had all messages going through her, and literally sent me back almost every one of my posts to say I either had not included enough of the last post in the thread or had included too much of it. And sometimes she would send them back many hours or even days after I had tried to post. So much for getting help! When I told her that I knew someone who had unsubscribed for this reason and that I was finding it challenging and just needed support, she wrote back saying that me and my friends had a lot of nerve to think that rules should not apply to us! So I unsubscribed and joined a different one. This one is fairly inactive, but boy are people mean sometimes! Someone whose cat is having terrible IBD symptoms is not eating, and she wrote asking what medicines are normally given for IBD and what to do about food and fluids. She said her cat was eating a little A/D. I wrote back about fatty liver and her cat needing food, but also said that A/D is not good for IBD, and that she should maybe try plain turkey, and that if she needs to force feed she can blend plain turkey with water to do so, pending a vet visit (and she is waiting for raw food to be delivered). I then explained about fluids, and about pred and flagyl and the pluses and minuses. Two people posted very nasty responses about where do i get off saying that a cat who is having trouble eating should not have A/D, that this is offensive, that I am acting like a vet when i have no expertise, etc. etc. etc. Given what I have been going through with Lucy and her IBD recently (and her appetite got way worse when I fed her stuff bad for her IBD and it gave her watery diarrhea, so that is what I was speaking from), it is not worth it to be treated that way. So I unsubscribed from that list too. All of which is to say, thank God for this group. It is the nicest group around, and I hope it always stays that way. We have different opinions, but we all recognize that we care about our cats and each other's cats, and each other, and that we are just offering what we can. And we keep open minds and change our opinions, too! Thanks for being there, everyone! Michelle __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT - Need prayers for Ceasar please
Nina, Prayers going out for Ceasar. I hope this is something that some meds and a little TLC can fix. Will he allow you to medicate him do you think, since he's so weak? :) Wendy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guys all know I caretake a couple of small colonies of ferals. You may have heard me talk about Caesar, the one that got away. He's a big tabby Tom that I tried to trap for a very long time and nothing I came up with worked. He disappeared about a year ago and I figured he was either killed or found a new territory. Well, he showed up a couple of days ago looking really bad. He's emaciated, has open sores all over his body, hair loss from who knows what, and limping on his right rear leg. Yesterday he was in an area that, had I been prepared, I could have gotten a net over him. The feral group I belong to convinced me not to try to net him, since he's an adult intact Tom, even though he's sick. I was very lucky to find someone to borrow a drop trap from and the good news is, I got him tonight. The bad news is, he's even sadder looking up close. He was bleeding from the nose and his drool contained blood too. The vet's office where I take ferals to agreed to see him if I bring him in first thing tomorrow. I'm sick with worry over how bad he looks. I'm afraid she's going to tell me to pts. Please pray that whatever is going on with Ceaser, it's something he can recover from. Thanks everyone, I know how much power this group has, and as always, I appreciate your support, Nina __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
To Julia
Julia, I'm glad to hear that Samantha sent you a message. I know it makes you feel better. I hope you are feeling better since Samantha passed. Good luck with the new kitty tomorrow. Let us know how the 'visitation' goes. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
