RE: My baby, Olive has become free now --my 4th loss to FIP..
Peggy, thank you so much for your kindness -- now I am crying again -- I will try to focus on the fact that they are at a better place now and free from all the pains..it's just so hard.. I miss them so much.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peggy AnkneySent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 5:29 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: My baby, Olive has become free now --my 4th loss to FIP.. Dear Hideyo, I am so, so sorry for all the pain you are going thorough with your recent losses. You know rationally that you have done everything you could to give your kitties a few months or perhaps years of a happy and secure and loved life, so please don’t let yourself feel guilty for any decision you’ve made. Your intentions were and are (as are all of ours) to do whatever we can for the animals we so dearly love. You have given all four of them food, shelter, warmth, and care. Be gentle with yourself, and don’t second-guess your decision to help little Olive to the bridge. Hold on to the images you have of her sweetly sleeping the way cats do - with her little paws tucked in underneath her and the contented look on her face. She was lucky to have had you for the short time she was here. -Peggy
Re: Add my Mishka to the CLS
Thanks, Tonya, and everyone - you know how much it means to get the comforting words from this group. I did have a necrospy for sweet Mishka. She had FIP, sigh. Don't know what's worse, knowing it's something you could have done something about , or something you could do nothing about. She was a lovey sweet little baby, and guess coming into rescue was very stressful for her, after she was dumped at Petco. Glad I had her for a two or three weeks, she was a wonderful little baby and I miss her, I regret I couldn't have taken her from her very beginning. Gloria - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: Re: Add my Mishka to the CLS Gloria, I am so sorry for your loss of little Mishka. I'm glad there are people like you who will take in the ones left behind by others. tGloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My Mishka died yesterday (Sunday Oct 22). She was such a pretty little black and white kitty. She was abandoned at PetCo by someone, and accepted into our rescue. I could see that she was going down hill, and brought her to my house, hoping to make a difference and help her pull thru. I had great plans for her.Took her to the vet for the last two weeks. She'd tested negative on the Elisa. When she had a CBC blood test, it showed a low white count, low red count, low platelets - her bone marrow wasn't putting out any platelets. Don't know why, but some kind of cancer's a possibility, we just don't know.She was just as sweet as could be, slightly long black and white fur, with cute little ringlets coming out her ears and paws. She had wonderful, gentle personality - could have been somebody's love-bug for a long time, but guess it wasn't to be. She was my love-bug for a short time. She was about a year old. What a beautiful angel!Thanks,Gloria
Fwd: [NMHP] Help for overgrooming
for those of you with cats with this problem... from the Best Friends No More Homeless Pets Forum, the expert of the week was an expert on flower essences. Michelle --- Begin Message --- Question from Dodo:I have a cat who is 5.5 years old now. I adopted her as a kitten, and she was pretty normal during the first 2 years of her life. After a year I started fostering cats, and lots of them (!), she started having skin problems. We took her to the vet several times. They did skin scrapings, ringworm test, and a cortisone shot. Also I tried hypoallergenic food, and dipped her in lime sulfur to cover a lot of bases, if not all. Nothing worked. She obsessively licks herself to baldness wherever she can reach. She is a very shy cat (has always been a little bit shy since she was a kitten), and gets intimidated easily, and she doesn't like other cats at all anymore. If a cat just looks at her, she will run and hide! So she lives in the office room with my husband during the day. She also has litter box problems occasionally (I believe because of her anxiety of other cats!) I tried Buspirone and Amitriptyline drugs on her, again with no help. I also tried Bach's rescue remedy, Saint John's wort and kava kava; kava kava made her lose more hair actually! Recently I started giving her fish oil and biotin, but she associated me with drugs or 'something bad happening to her' long time ago; whenever she hears the bottle shaking, or the cap opening, she hides and I can't pill her regularly. She also 'foams' if you give her a pill/drug with some taste on it (she is fine with capsules). She has never been abused by people, or even cats. My other cats just tease her, but she is still terrified of them. ( Probably there is some genetics playing a part in her character, too). I think my cat needs a stronger antidepressant/anxiolytic type of drug, but before I take her to the vet for that, I was wondering if there is anything else that I can try for her holistically? Response from Donna Williamson: Every once in a while I get a call from a cat person with a cat who has a similar problem. Barring any skin problems or allergies, I would say this is a behavioral problem, particularly OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder). Excessive grooming is related to anxiety, and the licking becomes worse with the increase in anxiety. I would recommend: Heather- for obsessionMimulus- for fretfulness and shynessPink Yarrow for hypersensitivityAspen- generalized anxietyChamomile- calming It is important with OCD that you keep the anxiety level down. It may be that if you are committed to rescue, and the coming and going of other cats is driving this cat crazy that the cat may need to be rehomed. I am not telling you what to do, only that the flower essences may or may not help, and the best interests of the cat should be considered. Try the flower essences first. You may need to double up on the dose for a long time, and use for several months. The cat may then need a different formula. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Pet Pet animal Homeless Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___ --- End Message ---
RE: My baby, Olive has become free now --my 4th loss to FIP..
Dear Hideyo, I am so, so sorry for all the pain you are going thorough with your recent losses. You know rationally that you have done everything you could to give your kitties a few months or perhaps years of a happy and secure and loved life, so please don’t let yourself feel guilty for any decision you’ve made. Your intentions were and are (as are all of ours) to do whatever we can for the animals we so dearly love. You have given all four of them food, shelter, warmth, and care. Be gentle with yourself, and don’t second-guess your decision to help little Olive to the bridge. Hold on to the images you have of her sweetly sleeping the way cats do - with her little paws tucked in underneath her and the contented look on her face. She was lucky to have had you for the short time she was here. -Peggy
Re: Oliver has become free now --my 4th loss to FIP..
Dear Hideyo: My heart is heavy for you! I am so sorry that you have been going though this! It is a very difficult and stressful time for you. I know what you are going though. I lost 13 babies within a four month period. Some were personal cats and some were foster cats that I raised since baby kittens. It is quite a numbing experience! I was never so glad when 45 days past from the last FIP cat was diagnosed. Then I felt I did not have to hold my breath anymore. Just take one day at a time! Precious Pets --- Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had to let Oliver free from her body this morning > -- she seemed to be > in so much pain from the emergency clinic trip, > since last night, she > has had seizures almost every 15 minu or so last > nigth even after valium > and I couldn't let her continue that way.. I usually > have a very > difficult time to help assist them cross any of my > kitties, because I > can't let go of them. and I never know what they > want for sure.. but > this time,, it was very difficult to see Olive go > through the seizures > so many times as she seemed to be in so mcuh > pain..it seems very selfish > of me to let her be how she was.. I had someone come > over and assisted > her cross a little while ago-- of course, I have so > much gult now and > don't know what to do with the feeling.. though > logically, I could > convince myself that I did a right thing.. i just > don't feel right and > I have a regret already -- I am feeling numb right > now at the same time, > I am feeling awful about what i did.. > > I was talking to dr. Addie from University of > glagslow who has done > research for FIP for the past two decades, and she > was explaining to me > how FIP is the disease that we human create by > domesticating our kitties > and keeping them indoor -- please don't get me > wrong.. she was not > suggesting that keeping cats indoor was a bad > thing.. but there is a > price to pay when you have multiple of animals in > the house.. as feces > from litter box is the most common way to get the > corona virus and as > they shed from feces -- and out in wild, FIP is much > less common due to > the fact that they don't use litter boxes > obviously... and that's what I > meant when I produced the disease and not separating > them in a small > group.. There are a few people on FIP support list > who have lost > several of their kitties to FIP --- it can be > sproadic and usually is.. > but sometimes, it's epidemic.. and when it happens > it's very scary..as > you already know.. > > I am so afraid thinking what's now, what's next -- > as I am trying not to > create a problem before it even happens.. but you > just have to > understand.. my Oliver was just fine (or at least I > thought which was my > very bad) until last night.. it seemed progressed so > quickly and never > seen anything like it... > > Everyone, prlease pray that my olive is at peace and > feel free and my > Dharma, Naomi and Peter are greeting at her at the > rainbow bridge.. > > We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com)
RE: SOS - you are not going to believe this - now my little Olive hasFIP (?)
I'm sorry to hear about your kitties. i'm pretty new to this group... i pretty much just read everything and take everything in... with all the love you can give olive i'm sure she will have a great life. it may be short like most of our kitties, but at least she was loved.. if she would have continued to be fural she wouldnt have been loved or cared for... i'm very lucky bacardi my felv+ baby is doing well, but that can change at any time... please dont give up on having cats... there are so many that need homes, and by everything i've read from u the past couple months u sound like a wonderful mom... maybe you'll just need a little time. thank-you for caring for so many kitties in need... i wish more people were as caring as you. i work for a vet, and some owners dont care about their animals. at least you will do anything u can!!! abby From: "Hideyo Yamamoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: , <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"CRF Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: SOS - you are not going to believe this - now my little Olive hasFIP (?) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 23:46:44 -0700 Hi, everyone I just cremated my little Dharma this morning --- before I had a chance to sit down and think of all the memories of my little special Dharma ---and before I had a chance to cry my little feral kitty, Olive now has FIP... and I just found it out..and I am just devasted all over again. Olive is my feral kitty who is now about a year old and who came from the same colony as Dharma and Naomi. Since she is a feral kitty, I really did not know how sick she was and it's my fault not paying attention to her more..she had a seizure tonght -- and I held her and noticed that she had lost lots of weight and very dehydrated.. and she must be very weak as she let me hold her.. I gave her 250 ml of subQ fluid as she was extremely dehydrated and hot -- and I ran to the emergency clinic after that..and asked them to run a blood work---I was so praying that it's not FIP -- then, I waited and finally talk to the doctor regarding blood work and it was very similar to Peter's blood work --the doctor did not know exactly what it was-- she said either cancer or FIP...her gloublin is elevated and alubmin is decreased, her total bilrbrin is elevated.. and mos of the liver (ALT and AST) were very elevated. .she was not anemic (PCV=31) -- she thought I really coudln't treat her since she was feral and suggest euthanaisa.. but I said no.. I want to bring her home and try everything I can.. she just was walking around and eating until earlier today...so I brought her home as I knew she would be better off coming home as there wasnt' anything they could do for her specifically. I held her for a long time.. she is just very sweet.. I did not know ir I coule syringe feed her,, but she let me and she ate very well.. she is just very sweet little gir.. she is black/white taxido girl... sthe bad new is since then, she had three more seizures.. I really did not want to give her valium as she already has liver issue.. but I coudln't let her keep having a seizure so I gave a little bit of valium to see if it will help not to have seizure anymore.. Everyone.. I am now convinced that I am the one who is producing this disease fo rmy kitties -- I know that FIP is stress induced disease.. and all of the kitties who have had FIP were not corona virus posivite kitties and the become exposed due to all my others who have been.. and all of the kitties who have had FIP have been here less than year.. and my envrinment has caused them to die -- Dr. Ishidaalso mentioned something similar when I first explained how many kitties I have had FIP -- as much as he admired what I do. .he thought that I was causing FIP among my cats.. and I have to agree -- it's too much of price to pay and they did not deserve to die.. I had a good intension but it was not good enough and I am very responsible of all the deaths so I really am not any kind of hero.. if I did not bring them home,, they would not have gotten FIP ...I don't regret that the fact thatI had an opportunity to have met them.. but had no right to bring my house which is considered to be a very high risk for FIP .. they did not ask for that... Everyone, please pray and send a good positive healinng energy to my little Olive.. I started on FOI tonight and am hoping that it will make her feel better - again I have not given up regardlesss of whatever the disease might be.. I still belive in power of intensions and miracle if that's what it takes.. I juar have to be calm and sending her a good thought.. again thank you very much for all your support and I am sorry for asking for more prayers before I had a chance to thank you for all your kind words you have sent to me and dharma.. Hideyo _ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.a
Re: Oliver has become free now --my 4th loss to FIP..
Dear Hideyo, God bless you. You have been through so much more than anyone could endure. You can depend on us to pray for you and help you though this. My heart hurts with you. I really believe that your time caring for dear kitties is not over. There are those who truly need your help -- and they will come to you. They have a way of seeking you out. You will know when it is right. When they come - you must not have the door closed from doubt because you think that you have done something wrong or that you cannot provide the right environment. You can. You do. They will come to you...and you will know. I really believe this. Please look at inappropriate guilt for what it is...something that blocks your way and blocks your positive energy. It's ok to grieve...it's ok to mourn so much loss and to accept what lessons there are to go with this. It's not ok to blame yourself - I think you have a special calling; that you have a gift to give. You are needed and loved. love and prayers, elizabeth In a message dated 11/5/2006 1:11:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had to let Oliver free from her body this morning -- she seemed to be in so much pain from the emergency clinic trip, since last night, she has had seizures almost every 15 minu or so last nigth even after valium and I couldn't let her continue that way.. I usually have a very difficult time to help assist them cross any of my kitties, because I can't let go of them. and I never know what they want for sure.. but this time,, it was very difficult to see Olive go through the seizures so many times as she seemed to be in so mcuh pain..it seems very selfish of me to let her be how she was.. I had someone come over and assisted her cross a little while ago-- of course, I have so much gult now and don't know what to do with the feeling.. though logically, I could convince myself that I did a right thing.. i just don't feel right and I have a regret already -- I am feeling numb right now at the same time, I am feeling awful about what i did.. I was talking to dr. Addie from University of glagslow who has done research for FIP for the past two decades, and she was explaining to me how FIP is the disease that we human create by domesticating our kitties and keeping them indoor -- please don't get me wrong.. she was not suggesting that keeping cats indoor was a bad thing.. but there is a price to pay when you have multiple of animals in the house.. as feces from litter box is the most common way to get the corona virus and as they shed from feces -- and out in wild, FIP is much less common due to the fact that they don't use litter boxes obviously... and that's what I meant when I produced the disease and not separating them in a small group.. There are a few people on FIP support list who have lost several of their kitties to FIP --- it can be sproadic and usually is.. but sometimes, it's epidemic.. and when it happens it's very scary..as you already know.. I am so afraid thinking what's now, what's next -- as I am trying not to create a problem before it even happens.. but you just have to understand.. my Oliver was just fine (or at least I thought which was my very bad) until last night.. it seemed progressed so quickly and never seen anything like it... Everyone, prlease pray that my olive is at peace and feel free and my Dharma, Naomi and Peter are greeting at her at the rainbow bridge..
Re: Oliver has become free now --my 4th loss to FIP..
GLOW to guide olive's way to join her friends and family at the bridge, and to help heal your heart--and to recognize all the good that you do. short or long, the time they spend in your loving care is far more than they would have had without you. MC On 11/5/06, Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I had to let Oliver free from her body this morning -- she seemed to be in so much pain from the emergency clinic trip, since last night, she has had seizures almost every 15 minu or so last nigth even after valium and I couldn't let her continue that way.. I usually have a very difficult time to help assist them cross any of my kitties, because I can't let go of them. and I never know what they want for sure.. but this time,, it was very difficult to see Olive go through the seizures so many times as she seemed to be in so mcuh pain..it seems very selfish of me to let her be how she was.. I had someone come over and assisted her cross a little while ago-- of course, I have so much gult now and don't know what to do with the feeling.. though logically, I could convince myself that I did a right thing.. i just don't feel right and I have a regret already -- I am feeling numb right now at the same time, I am feeling awful about what i did.. I was talking to dr. Addie from University of glagslow who has done research for FIP for the past two decades, and she was explaining to me how FIP is the disease that we human create by domesticating our kitties and keeping them indoor -- please don't get me wrong.. she was not suggesting that keeping cats indoor was a bad thing.. but there is a price to pay when you have multiple of animals in the house.. as feces from litter box is the most common way to get the corona virus and as they shed from feces -- and out in wild, FIP is much less common due to the fact that they don't use litter boxes obviously... and that's what I meant when I produced the disease and not separating them in a small group.. There are a few people on FIP support list who have lost several of their kitties to FIP --- it can be sproadic and usually is.. but sometimes, it's epidemic.. and when it happens it's very scary..as you already know.. I am so afraid thinking what's now, what's next -- as I am trying not to create a problem before it even happens.. but you just have to understand.. my Oliver was just fine (or at least I thought which was my very bad) until last night.. it seemed progressed so quickly and never seen anything like it... Everyone, prlease pray that my olive is at peace and feel free and my Dharma, Naomi and Peter are greeting at her at the rainbow bridge.. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Oliver has become free now --my 4th loss to FIP..
Hideyo, I'm so sorry to hear that Olive has passed. Quickly is probably a blessing, as she did not linger, and enjoyed her life up until the very last day or so. I do hope that this time, you will have Olive's body tested for FIP, to get a definitive diagnosis, so you can be SURE that it is FIP, and not something in your home such as a toxin, or some other curable thing that you're just missing because you're assuming it's FIP. You really MUST test to be sure! I find it amazing that you have talked to both Dr. Ishida, whom is a very highly advanced clinical veterinarian in the field of animal research in Japan (unless there's another Dr. Ishida I'm not aware of practicing in your area?), as well as talking directly to Dr. Addie from University of Glasgow, another well known vet in the field of FIP research! How did you manage to speak to the fore-runners of research about your cats? Do you have connections in Japan, or something? These aren't people you can generally just call up and chat with! Oh, wait, do you LIVE in Japan, I hadn't considered that, I thought you said you lived in Texas, but maybe I'm wrong about that... Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006
Re: urgent--please pray for Lucy
She's doing ok. Just starting to be herself again, and diarrhea has stopped. Knock on wood. Thanks. Michelle In a message dated 11/5/2006 1:17:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, I'm so behind. I hope Lucy is better. t
RE: urgent--please pray for Lucy
Michelle - I will sending her positive energy -- I know it's hard - but try not to think of the worst.. those negative energy and your worry will travel to Lucy, and it won't help and she definitely does not need it -- visualize her all feeling better - she has proven to you that she can overcome many many things and she had done so in the past.. give her credit and think POSITIVE -- so that Lucy will not have to worry, either.. :) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 11:17 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: urgent--please pray for Lucy Michelle, I'm so behind. I hope Lucy is better. t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She is very sick. It started last night. We have a vet appointment at 9:30 locally, can not get an internist appointment. It is not her IBD-- her bowels are normal. But she has stopped eating, does not want me to touch her (she is usually all over me) and has that dull sick look in her eyes. No URI symptoms. She looks pink to me. Which makes me very scared that it is something like cancer or leukemia. There are no internist appointments at either place in NJ for a week. They said I can go in through the emergency room and wait for an internist. I hate doing that. When I did that with Ginger it took them 4 days to figure out she had neurological problems. One place said to go to my local vet, get tests done, and have them call to try to convince an internist to squeeze her in. Michelle
RE: Oliver has become free now --my 4th loss to FIP..
I am pretty sure, it is FIP -- it did not happen that quickly -- I failed to see the signs before.. when I held her she had lost much weight already.. as she hide most of the time, I failed to notice it.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kellySent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 12:28 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Oliver has become free now --my 4th loss to FIP.. At 11:08 AM 11/5/2006, you wrote:Please consider a necropsy ...You have so many kittes who need you. Could be something in the area you are not aware of, FIP does not happen that quickly,Kelly I had to let Oliver free from her body this morning -- she seemed to be in so much pain from the emergency clinic trip, since last night, she has had seizures almost every 15 minu or so last nigth even after valium and I couldn't let her continue that way.. I usually have a very difficult time to help assist them cross any of my kitties, because I can't let go of them. and I never know what they want for sure.. but this time,, it was very difficult to see Olive go through the seizures so many times as she seemed to be in so mcuh pain..it seems very selfish of me to let her be how she was.. I had someone come over and assisted her cross a little while ago-- of course, I have so much gult now and don't know what to do with the feeling.. though logically, I could convince myself that I did a right thing.. i just don't feel right and I have a regret already -- I am feeling numb right now at the same time, I am feeling awful about what i did..I was talking to dr. Addie from University of glagslow who has done research for FIP for the past two decades, and she was explaining to me how FIP is the disease that we human create by domesticating our kitties and keeping them indoor -- please don't get me wrong.. she was not suggesting that keeping cats indoor was a bad thing.. but there is a price to pay when you have multiple of animals in the house.. as feces from litter box is the most common way to get the corona virus and as they shed from feces -- and out in wild, FIP is much less common due to the fact that they don't use litter boxes obviously... and that's what I meant when I produced the disease and not separating them in a small group.. There are a few people on FIP support list who have lost several of their kitties to FIP --- it can be sproadic and usually is.. but sometimes, it's epidemic.. and when it happens it's very scary..as you already know..I am so afraid thinking what's now, what's next -- as I am trying not to create a problem before it even happens.. but you just have to understand.. my Oliver was just fine (or at least I thought which was my very bad) until last night.. it seemed progressed so quickly and never seen anything like it... Everyone, prlease pray that my olive is at peace and feel free and my Dharma, Naomi and Peter are greeting at her at the rainbow bridge.. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006
Re: Oliver has become free now --my 4th loss to FIP..
Hideyo, I am so sorry. I can not believe what you are having to go through. Michelle
Re: Oliver has become free now --my 4th loss to FIP..
At 11:08 AM 11/5/2006, you wrote: Please consider a necropsy ...You have so many kittes who need you. Could be something in the area you are not aware of, FIP does not happen that quickly, Kelly I had to let Oliver free from her body this morning -- she seemed to be in so much pain from the emergency clinic trip, since last night, she has had seizures almost every 15 minu or so last nigth even after valium and I couldn't let her continue that way.. I usually have a very difficult time to help assist them cross any of my kitties, because I can't let go of them. and I never know what they want for sure.. but this time,, it was very difficult to see Olive go through the seizures so many times as she seemed to be in so mcuh pain..it seems very selfish of me to let her be how she was.. I had someone come over and assisted her cross a little while ago-- of course, I have so much gult now and don't know what to do with the feeling.. though logically, I could convince myself that I did a right thing.. i just don't feel right and I have a regret already -- I am feeling numb right now at the same time, I am feeling awful about what i did.. I was talking to dr. Addie from University of glagslow who has done research for FIP for the past two decades, and she was explaining to me how FIP is the disease that we human create by domesticating our kitties and keeping them indoor -- please don't get me wrong.. she was not suggesting that keeping cats indoor was a bad thing.. but there is a price to pay when you have multiple of animals in the house.. as feces from litter box is the most common way to get the corona virus and as they shed from feces -- and out in wild, FIP is much less common due to the fact that they don't use litter boxes obviously... and that's what I meant when I produced the disease and not separating them in a small group.. There are a few people on FIP support list who have lost several of their kitties to FIP --- it can be sproadic and usually is.. but sometimes, it's epidemic.. and when it happens it's very scary..as you already know.. I am so afraid thinking what's now, what's next -- as I am trying not to create a problem before it even happens.. but you just have to understand.. my Oliver was just fine (or at least I thought which was my very bad) until last night.. it seemed progressed so quickly and never seen anything like it... Everyone, prlease pray that my olive is at peace and feel free and my Dharma, Naomi and Peter are greeting at her at the rainbow bridge.. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006
RE: My baby, Olive has become free now --my 4th loss to FIP..
I am so stupid and out of it,,, I can't even spell my cat's name --- I meant "Olive" -- I am sorry Olive I am just so scattered.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 12:09 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; CRF Family; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Oliver has become free now --my 4th loss to FIP.. I had to let Olive free from her body this morning -- she seemed to be in so much pain from the emergency clinic trip, since last night, she has had seizures almost every 15 minu or so last nigth even after valium and I couldn't let her continue that way.. I usually have a very difficult time to help assist them cross any of my kitties, because I can't let go of them. and I never know what they want for sure.. but this time,, it was very difficult to see Olive go through the seizures so many times as she seemed to be in so mcuh pain..it seems very selfish of me to let her be how she was.. I had someone come over and assisted her cross a little while ago-- of course, I have so much gult now and don't know what to do with the feeling.. though logically, I could convince myself that I did a right thing.. i just don't feel right and I have a regret already -- I am feeling numb right now at the same time, I am feeling awful about what i did.. I was talking to dr. Addie from University of glagslow who has done research for FIP for the past two decades, and she was explaining to me how FIP is the disease that we human create by domesticating our kitties and keeping them indoor -- please don't get me wrong.. she was not suggesting that keeping cats indoor was a bad thing.. but there is a price to pay when you have multiple of animals in the house.. as feces from litter box is the most common way to get the corona virus and as they shed from feces -- and out in wild, FIP is much less common due to the fact that they don't use litter boxes obviously... and that's what I meant when I produced the disease and not separating them in a small group.. There are a few people on FIP support list who have lost several of their kitties to FIP --- it can be sproadic and usually is.. but sometimes, it's epidemic.. and when it happens it's very scary..as you already know.. I am so afraid thinking what's now, what's next -- as I am trying not to create a problem before it even happens.. but you just have to understand.. my Oliver was just fine (or at least I thought which was my very bad) until last night.. it seemed progressed so quickly and never seen anything like it... Everyone, prlease pray that my olive is at peace and feel free and my Dharma, Naomi and Peter are greeting at her at the rainbow bridge..
Oliver has become free now --my 4th loss to FIP..
I had to let Oliver free from her body this morning -- she seemed to be in so much pain from the emergency clinic trip, since last night, she has had seizures almost every 15 minu or so last nigth even after valium and I couldn't let her continue that way.. I usually have a very difficult time to help assist them cross any of my kitties, because I can't let go of them. and I never know what they want for sure.. but this time,, it was very difficult to see Olive go through the seizures so many times as she seemed to be in so mcuh pain..it seems very selfish of me to let her be how she was.. I had someone come over and assisted her cross a little while ago-- of course, I have so much gult now and don't know what to do with the feeling.. though logically, I could convince myself that I did a right thing.. i just don't feel right and I have a regret already -- I am feeling numb right now at the same time, I am feeling awful about what i did.. I was talking to dr. Addie from University of glagslow who has done research for FIP for the past two decades, and she was explaining to me how FIP is the disease that we human create by domesticating our kitties and keeping them indoor -- please don't get me wrong.. she was not suggesting that keeping cats indoor was a bad thing.. but there is a price to pay when you have multiple of animals in the house.. as feces from litter box is the most common way to get the corona virus and as they shed from feces -- and out in wild, FIP is much less common due to the fact that they don't use litter boxes obviously... and that's what I meant when I produced the disease and not separating them in a small group.. There are a few people on FIP support list who have lost several of their kitties to FIP --- it can be sproadic and usually is.. but sometimes, it's epidemic.. and when it happens it's very scary..as you already know.. I am so afraid thinking what's now, what's next -- as I am trying not to create a problem before it even happens.. but you just have to understand.. my Oliver was just fine (or at least I thought which was my very bad) until last night.. it seemed progressed so quickly and never seen anything like it... Everyone, prlease pray that my olive is at peace and feel free and my Dharma, Naomi and Peter are greeting at her at the rainbow bridge..
Re: urgent--please pray for Lucy
Michelle, I'm so behind. I hope Lucy is better. t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She is very sick. It started last night. We have a vet appointment at 9:30 locally, can not get an internist appointment. It is not her IBD-- her bowels are normal. But she has stopped eating, does not want me to touch her (she is usually all over me) and has that dull sick look in her eyes. No URI symptoms. She looks pink to me. Which makes me very scared that it is something like cancer or leukemia. There are no internist appointments at either place in NJ for a week. They said I can go in through the emergency room and wait for an internist. I hate doing that. When I did that with Ginger it took them 4 days to figure out she had neurological problems. One place said to go to my local vet, get tests done, and have them call to try to convince an internist to squeeze her in. Michelle
RE: SOS - you are not going to believe this - now my little Olive has FIP (?)
Hideyo -- MC is so right on this. Please, if you must blame something, blame these kitties' gene pool that made them susceptible to the mutation of the corona virus, not yourself. I'm sorry the outcome wasn't good for them, but if they hadn't been with you, sooner or later something in the stress of living in the wild would have triggered the FIP and they would have gotten sick and died anyway, with no one to help them and to mourn them. I know that Olive will have the most loving care imaginable, no matter what her outcome. Here are vibes that she shakes it off. And extra strength vibes to you, dear, in this very hard time. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: SOS - you are not going to believe this - now my little Olive has FIP (?) hideyo, dearest, please stop beating yourself up.
Re: Add my Mishka to the CLS
Gloria, I am so sorry for your loss of little Mishka. I'm glad there are people like you who will take in the ones left behind by others. tGloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My Mishka died yesterday (Sunday Oct 22). She was such a pretty little black and white kitty. She was abandoned at PetCo by someone, and accepted into our rescue. I could see that she was going down hill, and brought her to my house, hoping to make a difference and help her pull thru. I had great plans for her.Took her to the vet for the last two weeks. She'd tested negative on the Elisa. When she had a CBC blood test, it showed a low white count, low red count, low platelets - her bone marrow wasn't putting out any platelets. Don't know why, but some kind of cancer's a possibility, we just don't know.She was just as sweet as could be, slightly long black and white fur, with cute little ringlets coming out her ears and paws. She had wonderful, gentle personality - could have been somebody's love-bug for a long time, but guess it wasn't to be. She was my love-bug for a short time. She was about a year old. What a beautiful angel!Thanks,Gloria
Re: SOS - you are not going to believe this - now my little Olive has FIP (?)
Hideyo, I would just like to second what others have said. I would trust you with any one of my cats - and that is saying quite a lot. The love you have given these kitties is the greatest gift and you made their lives better. Sending love and healing to you and to Olive. elizabeth In a message dated 11/5/2006 9:05:26 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hideyo, dearest,please stop beating yourself up.FIP may be stress-ACTIVATED, it is not stress-created. if all thesekitties came from the same colony, it's far more likely that you'redealing with the genetic aspect of the condition. as others have said,FIP is a MUTATED form of the corona virus and is not, in and ofitself, an infectious disease. think about it--if FIP itself weretransmissible, there would BE no sanctuaries or no-kill sheltersaround--all the cats would have gotten FIP and gone to the bridge. wehad 600 cats at the sanctuary, and you can just bet that most if notall of those cats would have shown a high corona titre (they say thatup to 80% or something of HUMANS would show a high titre, too, iftesting was regular)--and tho we lost kitties to FIP, it was avery small percentage--and often it WAS within family groups.we just never know when we bring in a cat what its genetic history is,and the more cats we have, the more likely we are to have some whowill have the predisposition for the mutated virus. it's terrible thatyou have had to go through this, but please don't keep blamingyourself.MCOn 11/5/06, Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Hi, everyone I just cremated my little Dharma this morning --- before I had> a chance to sit down and think of all the memories of my little special> Dharma ---and before I had a chance to cry my little feral kitty, Olive> now has FIP... and I just found it out..and I am just devasted all over> again.>> Olive is my feral kitty who is now about a year old and who came from the> same colony as Dharma and Naomi. Since she is a feral kitty, I really did> not know how sick she was and it's my fault not paying attention to her> more..she had a seizure tonght -- and I held her and noticed that she had> lost lots of weight and very dehydrated.. and she must be very weak as she> let me hold her.. I gave her 250 ml of subQ fluid as she was extremely> dehydrated and hot -- and I ran to the emergency clinic after that..and> asked them to run a blood work---I was so praying that it's not FIP --> then, I waited and finally talk to the doctor regarding blood work and it> was very similar to Peter's blood work --the doctor did not know exactly> what it was-- she said either cancer or FIP...her gloublin is elevated and> alubmin is decreased, her total bilrbrin is elevated.. and mos of the liver> (ALT and AST) were very elevated. .she was not anemic (PCV=31) -- she> thought I really coudln't treat her since she was feral and suggest> euthanaisa.. but I said no.. I want to bring her home and try everything I> can.. she just was walking around and eating until earlier today...so I> brought her home as I knew she would be better off coming home as there> wasnt' anything they could do for her specifically. I held her for a long> time.. she is just very sweet..>>> I did not know ir I coule syringe feed her,, but she let me and she ate very> well.. she is just very sweet little gir.. she is black/white taxido girl...> sthe bad new is since then, she had three more seizures.. I really did not> want to give her valium as she already has liver issue.. but I coudln't let> her keep having a seizure so I gave a little bit of valium to see if it will> help not to have seizure anymore..>> Everyone.. I am now convinced that I am the one who is producing this> disease fo rmy kitties -- I know that FIP is stress induced disease.. and> all of the kitties who have had FIP were not corona virus posivite kitties> and the become exposed due to all my others who have been.. and all of the> kitties who have had FIP have been here less than year.. and my envrinment> has caused them to die -- Dr. Ishidaalso mentioned something similar when I> first explained how many kitties I have had FIP -- as much as he admired> what I do. .he thought that I was causing FIP among my cats.. and I have to> agree -- it's too much of price to pay and they did not deserve to die.. I> had a good intension but it was not good enough and I am very responsible of> all the deaths so I really am not any kind of hero.. if I did not bring them> home,, they would not have gotten FIP ...I don't regret that the fact thatI> had an opportunity to have met them.. but had no right to bring my house> which is considered to be a very high risk for FIP .. they did not ask for> that...>> Everyone, please pray and send a good positive healinng e
Re: SOS - you are not going to believe this - now my little Olive has FIP (?)
hideyo, dearest, please stop beating yourself up. FIP may be stress-ACTIVATED, it is not stress-created. if all these kitties came from the same colony, it's far more likely that you're dealing with the genetic aspect of the condition. as others have said, FIP is a MUTATED form of the corona virus and is not, in and of itself, an infectious disease. think about it--if FIP itself were transmissible, there would BE no sanctuaries or no-kill shelters around--all the cats would have gotten FIP and gone to the bridge. we had 600 cats at the sanctuary, and you can just bet that most if not all of those cats would have shown a high corona titre (they say that up to 80% or something of HUMANS would show a high titre, too, if testing was regular)--and tho we lost kitties to FIP, it was a very small percentage--and often it WAS within family groups. we just never know when we bring in a cat what its genetic history is, and the more cats we have, the more likely we are to have some who will have the predisposition for the mutated virus. it's terrible that you have had to go through this, but please don't keep blaming yourself. MC On 11/5/06, Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, everyone I just cremated my little Dharma this morning --- before I had a chance to sit down and think of all the memories of my little special Dharma ---and before I had a chance to cry my little feral kitty, Olive now has FIP... and I just found it out..and I am just devasted all over again. Olive is my feral kitty who is now about a year old and who came from the same colony as Dharma and Naomi. Since she is a feral kitty, I really did not know how sick she was and it's my fault not paying attention to her more..she had a seizure tonght -- and I held her and noticed that she had lost lots of weight and very dehydrated.. and she must be very weak as she let me hold her.. I gave her 250 ml of subQ fluid as she was extremely dehydrated and hot -- and I ran to the emergency clinic after that..and asked them to run a blood work---I was so praying that it's not FIP -- then, I waited and finally talk to the doctor regarding blood work and it was very similar to Peter's blood work --the doctor did not know exactly what it was-- she said either cancer or FIP...her gloublin is elevated and alubmin is decreased, her total bilrbrin is elevated.. and mos of the liver (ALT and AST) were very elevated. .she was not anemic (PCV=31) -- she thought I really coudln't treat her since she was feral and suggest euthanaisa.. but I said no.. I want to bring her home and try everything I can.. she just was walking around and eating until earlier today...so I brought her home as I knew she would be better off coming home as there wasnt' anything they could do for her specifically. I held her for a long time.. she is just very sweet.. I did not know ir I coule syringe feed her,, but she let me and she ate very well.. she is just very sweet little gir.. she is black/white taxido girl... sthe bad new is since then, she had three more seizures.. I really did not want to give her valium as she already has liver issue.. but I coudln't let her keep having a seizure so I gave a little bit of valium to see if it will help not to have seizure anymore.. Everyone.. I am now convinced that I am the one who is producing this disease fo rmy kitties -- I know that FIP is stress induced disease.. and all of the kitties who have had FIP were not corona virus posivite kitties and the become exposed due to all my others who have been.. and all of the kitties who have had FIP have been here less than year.. and my envrinment has caused them to die -- Dr. Ishidaalso mentioned something similar when I first explained how many kitties I have had FIP -- as much as he admired what I do. .he thought that I was causing FIP among my cats.. and I have to agree -- it's too much of price to pay and they did not deserve to die.. I had a good intension but it was not good enough and I am very responsible of all the deaths so I really am not any kind of hero.. if I did not bring them home,, they would not have gotten FIP ...I don't regret that the fact thatI had an opportunity to have met them.. but had no right to bring my house which is considered to be a very high risk for FIP .. they did not ask for that... Everyone, please pray and send a good positive healinng energy to my little Olive.. I started on FOI tonight and am hoping that it will make her feel better - again I have not given up regardlesss of whatever the disease might be.. I still belive in power of intensions and miracle if that's what it takes.. I juar have to be calm and sending her a good thought.. again thank you very much for all your support and I am sorry for asking for more prayers before I had a chance to thank you for all your kind words you have sent to me and dharma.. Hideyo -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: T
Re: SOS - you are not going to believe this - now my little Olive has FIP (?)
Dear Hideyo You are a kind hearted sensitive caring person. I have not been on this group long to know the full story about how the ferals came to be in your care. I do know you have loved and cared for them which is something they would not have in the wild. I don't know the exact stats but a feral cats lifespan is very short indeed. Not usually a good outcome. Hindsight is always better than foresight, please do not blame yourself.. You are in no way to responsible for this outcome. YOU ARE A WONDERFUL PERSON!!! Many years ago I had a cat who I was told died of something called peritonitis. We lived on a farm at that time he was a big tabby and white tom cat. I was away at college when all this transpired. MY parents took him to the vet who said there really wasn't much he could do this was some 30 years ago. He put the cat on antibiotics and the cat ate but I understand continued to lose weight. My parents were waiting for me to come home before doing anything with him. Unfortunately as cats will do he went off and I never saw him again. The more we are exposed to the felines we love the more likely we may encounter these problems. Am i going to quit having cats because of my two FELV positive babies, NO WAY. Hugs Sally At 11:46 PM 11/4/2006 -0700, you wrote: Hi, everyone I just cremated my little Dharma this morning --- before I had a chance to sit down and think of all the memories of my little special Dharma ---and before I had a chance to cry my little feral kitty, Olive now has FIP... and I just found it out..and I am just devasted all over again. Olive is my feral kitty who is now about a year old and who came from the same colony as Dharma and Naomi. Since she is a feral kitty, I really did not know how sick she was and it's my fault not paying attention to her more..she had a seizure tonght -- and I held her and noticed that she had lost lots of weight and very dehydrated.. and she must be very weak as she let me hold her.. I gave her 250 ml of subQ fluid as she was extremely dehydrated and hot -- and I ran to the emergency clinic after that..and asked them to run a blood work---I was so praying that it's not FIP -- then, I waited and finally talk to the doctor regarding blood work and it was very similar to Peter's blood work --the doctor did not know exactly what it was-- she said either cancer or FIP...her gloublin is elevated and alubmin is decreased, her total bilrbrin is elevated.. and mos of the liver (ALT and AST) were very elevated. .she was not anemic (PCV=31) -- she thought I really coudln't treat her since she was feral and suggest euthanaisa.. but I said no.. I want to bring her home and try everything I can.. she just was walking around and eating until earlier today...so I brought her home as I knew she would be better off coming home as there wasnt' anything they could do for her specifically. I held her for a long time.. she is just very sweet.. I did not know ir I coule syringe feed her,, but she let me and she ate very well.. she is just very sweet little gir.. she is black/white taxido girl... sthe bad new is since then, she had three more seizures.. I really did not want to give her valium as she already has liver issue.. but I coudln't let her keep having a seizure so I gave a little bit of valium to see if it will help not to have seizure anymore.. Everyone.. I am now convinced that I am the one who is producing this disease fo rmy kitties -- I know that FIP is stress induced disease.. and all of the kitties who have had FIP were not corona virus posivite kitties and the become exposed due to all my others who have been.. and all of the kitties who have had FIP have been here less than year.. and my envrinment has caused them to die -- Dr. Ishidaalso mentioned something similar when I first explained how many kitties I have had FIP -- as much as he admired what I do. .he thought that I was causing FIP among my cats.. and I have to agree -- it's too much of price to pay and they did not deserve to die.. I had a good intension but it was not good enough and I am very responsible of all the deaths so I really am not any kind of hero.. if I did not bring them home,, they would not have gotten FIP ...I don't regret that the fact thatI had an opportunity to have met them.. but had no right to bring my house which is considered to be a very high risk for FIP .. they did not ask for that... Everyone, please pray and send a good positive healinng energy to my little Olive.. I started on FOI tonight and am hoping that it will make her feel better - again I have not given up regardlesss of whatever the disease might be.. I still belive in power of intensions and miracle if that's what it takes.. I juar have to be calm and sending her a good thought.. again thank you very much for all your support and I am sorry for asking for more prayers before I had a chance to thank you for all your
