New Member
Hi All, New member, just an intro post - and a long one. I will tend to lurk more then comment, unless I feel compelled to do so. I'm here to learn and to share my experience and hear about others. I've been fostering kittens for a local shelter since 2003. Up until this year I've been lucky and all kittens I've fostered have been healthy, with the exception of a few orphans that passed from failure to thrive. My home went from 3 cats to 8 (not to mention 4 dogs). This year, the very first litter of the season, I took in 7 kittens, about 5 weeks of age. Nobody is sure if they're all one big litter, or two or three litters - they were brought in from an animal control facility that has a tendency to just throw kittens into a cage. The fact they made it out of animal control - alive - is a small miracle in itself. Within the first two weeks, two died. They went down quickly. I had to force feed a few, all had URI's. When they were old/big enough to test, the shelter tested the biggest two of the remaining five (there were only two test kits left on the day I went in). Both tested negative. I assumed everyone else was negative so let my cats in to socialize with this group. They were named Ali, Frick, Frack, Animal Amele. A week or two later, the remaining three were tested. Ali came back positive. I was devastated. I started researching what I could, and from what I read decided since she was already symptomatic that I would keep her until it was time. At the time, the shelter was going through some procedural changes - all FeLV + cats were to be PTS, symptomatic or not. I conveniently hid her - everyone knew I had her, but when it was time to get her siblings fixed, she stayed home. Two weeks later, I had Ali PTS, we had just come off a round of force feedings, to only start again five days later, and she had blood coming from her rectum. She was 10 weeks old. Her siblings were all still at the shelter and wouldn't go up for adoption until after they had been retested - three months later. All had URI's and one was sneezing uncontrollably. I brought them all back home with me. After two months, Frick was not improving to my satisfaction, so I insisted on retesting. He came back positive (IFA confirmed), the other three negative. So I kept them hidden again, with no trips to the shelter, just going in to get Interferon. I did take Frick in to get him neutered (at the original date of neuter he only had one testicle descended so they wanted to wait two weeks - I waited until he was well enough). What a surprise when the vet did the surgery to find no testicles at all! I felt guilty as hell, the poor guy had a five inch incision, and I put him through all that for nothing. The entire litter was then to go to a place called In Care of Cats - they are a hospice that takes in FeLV cats. By this time I'd had the kittens for about 8 months. I asked the shelter if I could hospice foster Frick, he'd have off days, and at the time I was asking, he was on his third off day. I didn't want to send him off to die in a strange place. I came home to discover he had not eaten at all that day, it continued into the next day, he had very little energy. I took him out to the shelter that night and had him PTS. It broke my heart to do so. And right after that I had four foster kittens die from panleukopenia - good week for me. Two weeks to the day after I had Frick PTS, the shelter called to tell me it was time for the remaining three to go to the hospice. I knew the call was coming and I was dreading it. I wanted to keep them, but at the same time, finances were strained. Foster coordinator was afraid I'd have a melt down if I lost any of these three to FeLV. But I WAS losing them anyway. That night I told her they could go to the hospice. I cried so hard I was hyperventilating, and had myself so upset I could not eat the next day. I called her after lunch and told her they weren't going anywhere, and adopted them for $10 each (normal fee is $75). So I am now the proud owner (or am I owned) of three 9 month old kittens that may or may not have FeLV. I am getting them and my 8 cats (they were vaccinated for FeLV) retested in February or March. All still sneeze, Amele more then the others. We have bouts of diarrhea, which clears up with flagyl. They're all very active, although Frack is more laid back then her siblings. Animal loves water, Amele chases his tail and shadows - those two are almost always together. Animal is more of a lover then Amele, and Frack prefers to keep to herself, but she does like to chase my feet under the covers. Many people have actually THANKED me for taking in these special needs kitties. To me they aren't special needs, they just got dealt a very bad hand. You wouldn't get rid of your child if it was born with some disease, I won't get rid of them. They deserve to live as much of a life as they can, and
To Kelley: Re: Missy
Dear Kelley, You will be strong enough. You will be strong enough for Missy, because you love her so. You asked how we do it...I believe that the good Lord doesn't give us more than we can handle. Of course, when times get tough for me, the only way I can get through them is by asking for help through prayer. If I didn't do that, I would be much worse off. Those tears you cry are not bad. They are cleansing, and help you to grieve. Knowing Missy is ill allows you to grieve beforehand, and strangely enough, will help you to accept the inevitable, Missy's passing. Thank God you are there for Missy to love her while she is here. If you can, try to make the time Missy has left a happy time, for you and for her. Celebrate her life with her. Her life is beautiful and a blessing to you. You will have time to grieve when she passes on. Prayers going out for little Missy and for you. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: How do yall do it?
And I can say from my personal experience ... you're NOT a hoarder. How are you? I have some albuterol for you ... PAT Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:What a diabolical liberty!! My... that just gets my blood boiling... We have quite a few cats ourselves, luckily in our county there are no limits imposed (yet). HOWEVER, I take issue with this... because there is NO law about how many children people can have!! We have a ton of room... we wear our hands raw keeping the house clean... spend every penny keeping everyone healthy... and how dare anyone decide we have 'too many'!! Sorry... I'll get off my soap box. I just think if the quality of life for the animals is good... if the animals are happy and healthy... then there is no problem!! It is the hoarders who cannot care properly for the animals that have the problem unfortunately we all get lumped into the 'hoarder' category. Leslie =^..^= On 12/27/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have 6 personal cats and 19 or so foster cats at any one time. Fortunately we don't have any pet limit laws here, although if someone decided you have too many they will seize them. On 12/27/06, Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My house is set up as a duplex, though my housemate Gail and I don't use it as such. If we want to pretend it IS a duplex, we could have 2 cats apiece according to local law, but only 3, I think, if we call it a single household. Makes no sense. We've had up to 6 cats at a time, and Gail's mom used to keep telling her we're breaking the law. And we're like, yeah, and if someone comes to arrest us, we'll know who narked... we don't even discuss our cats around her any more. She's not meanspirited, just a bit clueless. When Gail moved out of the parental home, she took the family cat, Kitty, with her. Kitty wasn't a snuggler, and Gail's mom had tried to make her one, and no fun was had by all. I'm sure Kitty was relieved to be among people who understood that cats aren't dogs. Now that the mom has moved into assisted living, she's determined to get another cat. She's unsteady on her feet, has a bad back and has ZERO energy, so it has to be one that doesn't move very fast, and it'll need to be a complete and total lap fungusexcept when the mom doesn't want it to be. Oh boy. Diane R. - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 9:35 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: How do yall do it? When I told my mother how many cats I have, she FREAKED OUT and started worrying about me going to jail for having too many cats. Apparently there was a raid near her and the woman went to jail. I've never heard of anyone going to jail around here for hoarding. They usually just take the cats and kill them. I guess moms need something to worry about. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged.They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: New Member
Welcome to the group Jo. Your story is not uncommon in the group, I think several people have joined over the years because they became parents to a FELV+ litter of kittens. Sounds like you are doing really well with them. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vtlink%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
SNAP test faint positive, queen, 5 kittens
Hi all, I do rescue work in the Chicago area. My group took in a queen from another organization; she was about to give birth and in fact did so hours after we received her. Fast forward three months... three of the kittens were sterilized and SNAP tested negative/negative on 12/2. She was separated from her kittens on 12/18 in order that she dry up so she could be sterilized. On 12/24, another kitten was sterilized and also SNAP tested negative/negative. That same day the queen was SNAP tested, and the test came out a faint positive, ie a light blue dot instead of a darker blue. She was also sterilized. The veterinarian in attendance recommended we hold the queen and re-test her in 1 month. If she tests positive again, we potentially have an FeLV cat and would follow up with an IFA test. The veterinarian also recommended that the kittens only go to homes with no other cats. Our rescue group does full and honest health disclosure, to the best of our ability, and we can't imagine adopters wanting FeLV exposed kittens, so we plan to hold them at least until her status is known. Before we thought through the implications of the queen's faint positive result and asked the veterinarian what to do with the kittens, I integrated them with my four negative, but vaccinated, adult cats. The kittens and the queen had been isolated in a bedroom for all of their 14 weeks and showed inadequate socialization which would be easily corrected by being underfoot with normal cats in a normal household. I now have a lot of questions; this seems like a kind and patient group so please bear with me, for my stupidity in immediately mixing in the kittens, and for all my questions. 1) How much danger of contracting the virus are my cats in (they received their last feleuk vaccine in late October)? 2) How likely is it that the queen is actually positive? (From the research I have done so far, it appears that this is likely an exposure positive, and her body may well fight it off, but then again any possible exposure was more than three months ago, heading on four months, so I don't really see how it can be an exposure positive). 3) Is there any point to doing an IFA test now, rather than waiting a month? 4) If the queen is positive, how likely is it that the kittens will also turn positive? 5) What is the correct process for determining if they are positive, as in what length of time from their last possible exposure until a reliable test can be given. 6) Is there any point at all in locking the kittens up until we are sure of their status (they are blossoming after just a few days and I am unenthused about this)? I don't want to risk my cats lives and health, but I do want to do the best thing possible for the other cats that come my way. Thank you for any answers or links to answers you can provide, and I apologize if I am asking basic questions. Lynette =^..^= The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948
Re: To Kelley: Re: Missy
Have Missy's portrait made--either by a professional or a friend who is really good with a camera. Assuming you out live her, you will take great pleasure in this. At least I have with my own critters. I truly enjoy looking at their pictures. They remind me of how totally wonderful our friends can be. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 12:56 PM Subject: To Kelley: Re: Missy Dear Kelley, You will be strong enough. You will be strong enough for Missy, because you love her so. You asked how we do it...I believe that the good Lord doesn't give us more than we can handle. Of course, when times get tough for me, the only way I can get through them is by asking for help through prayer. If I didn't do that, I would be much worse off. Those tears you cry are not bad. They are cleansing, and help you to grieve. Knowing Missy is ill allows you to grieve beforehand, and strangely enough, will help you to accept the inevitable, Missy's passing. Thank God you are there for Missy to love her while she is here. If you can, try to make the time Missy has left a happy time, for you and for her. Celebrate her life with her. Her life is beautiful and a blessing to you. You will have time to grieve when she passes on. Prayers going out for little Missy and for you. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: SNAP test faint positive, queen, 5 kittens
1) How much danger of contracting the virus are my cats in (they received their last feleuk vaccine in late October)? Little to none. Adult healthy cats are naturally immune to FELV in most cases, plus yours were recently vaccinated with a vaccine that is 85% effective, so I'd say you are fairly safe. If you're worried, have them all tested. 2) How likely is it that the queen is actually positive? (From the research I have done so far, it appears that this is likely an exposure positive, and her body may well fight it off, but then again any possible exposure was more than three months ago, heading on four months, so I don't really see how it can be an exposure positive). I would run another SNAP ELISA test asap, as operator error accounts for a high rate of inaccurate results. It could have been a bad test, it could have been a bad testing procedure, it could be anything, but false results are known to happen with that kind of test. If she re-tests positive again right away, THEN wait a month (or two even) and retest again, and confirm with an IFA at the same time. You are using BLOOD, right? Go to a different batch of test kits, if you can, to retest, that would eliminate the likelihood of it being a bad batch of kits, and have a different vet or vet tech run the test, that would reduce the chance of a bad procedure IF they last test was inaccurate due to human error. 3) Is there any point to doing an IFA test now, rather than waiting a month? Sure, it can't hurt, so if you have the money, I would. That would confirm the SNAP result, at least. 4) If the queen is positive, how likely is it that the kittens will also turn positive? At this point, if they are weaned and have tested negative, it's unlikely they will ever be positive. 5) What is the correct process for determining if they are positive, as in what length of time from their last possible exposure until a reliable test can be given. Retest with IFA at least 3 months after last exposure, the retest SNAP at 6 months po st-exposure, and again with IFA when-ever they turn 1 year old. That would rule out any shadow of a doubt. 6) Is there any point at all in locking the kittens up until we are sure of their status (they are blossoming after just a few days and I am unenthused about this)? No, I don't think so. They have already been mixed, any exposure has already happened, plus, they are negative anyways and probably will stay that way. Let them be kittens. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vtlink%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
OT: Rescue help need in Los Gatos, California
I'm cross-posting this: Dear Best Friends Members, For years, the Magills have lived close to a park in Los Gatos that was a convenient dumping ground for unwanted cats.For years, Doug Magill and his wife have helped the cats abandoned near their home by providing them with medical care, food, shelter and love. But now the Magills are the ones who need help. As the couple has grown older, it has become harder for them to care for the 42 felines who live inside their home or outside on their property. Recently, someone called San Jose Animal Control to complain. The officer who came out to visit the Magills could see that they were trying their best with the cats, who appeared to be healthy and friendly. He didn't want to confiscate the cats and take them to the shelter, so he agreed to work with the Magills as long as they continued trying to find other homes for the cats. The Magills have managed to find homes for a few of the cats on their own, but they both have health problems that make it difficult to spend much time posting flyers or attending adoption events. You can help them by spreading the word about these cats, many of whom are Siamese mixes. Please forward this email to anyone you know who might be able to assist the Magills in finding homes for their rescued cats. If you need more information or would like to adopt a cat yourself, please contact Doug Magill directly: 408-356-1602 or at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit my Tigger Tales site! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: How do yall do it?
She's precious! Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Oh, definitely, I would never let Missy go uncared for. But it is about time to take her to the cardiologist again and I'm scared. She's the best cat. She's not afraid of anything, and when peopel come over she will jump into their arms. She's never known anything but love, except when she was dumped at the shelter @ 8 weeks with her littermates, and I didn't let them stay there long. It was love at first sight with her though. I think I hold her at least 4 hours a day. She's very smart too. Here's her little picture: http://www.moonvine.net/missy On 12/26/06, Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley, I think with most of us here on this list, that it's not seeing any other option (that can be comfortably lived with) but to care for these animals. We all get so much love from our animals, who just want to be loved in return. To not take care of an animal that has been adopted/rescued/brought into our lives is simply unthinkable. I believe that all of us have in common that when we take on the care of an animal, we assume 100% responsibility for every aspect of their well-being, no matter now uncomfortable or painful it is for us. The love and joy brought into our lives erases/subdues the painful bits. Maybe not right away, but it does. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:03:42 PM Subject: How do yall do it? Hi guys, I don't have an FELV+ that I know of, but I do have a kitty with VSM (ventricular septal defect) - a heart condition. She could die at any time, or she could live for quite a while. (If you could add her to the prayer list, that would be great). Her name is Missy, and I love her more than anything in the world. She had an echocardiogram and was diagnosed with VSM this summer. I think I have cried every day since. Before she had the echo I thought she would be dead every day when I got home. Now I'm sure she will be. Nice as the heart list people are, I can't really read that list; it is too close to home. I can barely read this one, and I cry a lot here too. How do yall stand it? I don't think I am strong enough. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Visit my Tigger Tales site! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: How do yall do it?
My Tigger is a lap kitty :) Gina Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a very nice lap fungus kitty here just now. They do happen occasionally. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vtlink%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ Visit my Tigger Tales site! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Re: New Member
the proud owner (or am I owned) of three 9 month old kittens that may or may not have FeLV. I am getting them and my 8 cats (they were vaccinated for FeLV) retested in February or March. All still sneeze, Amele more then the others. We have bouts of diarrhea, which clears up with flagyl. They're all very active, although Frack is more laid back then her siblings. Animal loves water, Amele chases his tail and shadows - those two are almost always together. Animal is more of a lover then Amele, and Frack prefers to keep to herself, but she does like to chase my feet under the covers. Many people have actually THANKED me for taking in these special needs kitties. To me they aren't special needs, they just got dealt a very bad hand. You wouldn't get rid of your child if it was born with some disease, I won't get rid of them. They deserve to live as much of a life as they can, and as long as they are enjoying life, then why not let them? Others have told me they can't go through the heartbreak - what's the difference of losing them to FeLV, old age or some other disease? So I guess I'm now one of the rare people that think FeLV cats deserve a chance and should not be treated like lepers. While mine have been exposed, I'll deal with the cards I was dealt. Who am I to argue with fate? I was given these kittens for a reason, and I guess that reason was to make sure they'd have a happy, good life for however long they may or may not have. So that's my LONG story and how I came to owning FeLV positive cats. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20061228/43e3aa2b/attachment.html End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 23, Issue 53
Re: How do yall do it?
She is adorable. She doesn't want you to be too afraid. Concerned yes but not tooo afraid. Her job is not to cause you pain but she does have lessons to teach you. Just look at that face! I've been thru this several times (different illnesses but all terminal). The last was with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt who wanted no treatment what so ever. The nature of the treatment and the extent of the cancer made me agree with her. So did my personal vets (not the specialists who said she might live 2 months without treatment) and alternative vets and animal communicator friends who consulted her. She lived 14 months and had a very high quality of life. She wanted to leave this world without assistance from the vets and I permitted that. It was the hardest thing I ever did but it was the right thing for her. All of this is to say that the experts/specialists can be wonderful and can tell you what is going on but you should not let their judgment over rule your heart. We are all going to leave this world. There is a book, Getting Lucky by Susan Marino. It is available on Amazon.com. It was very helpful to me in coping with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt's situation. I've already mentioned the song Calling All Angels. May the angels watch after you both. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Gina WN To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: Re: How do yall do it? She's precious! Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, definitely, I would never let Missy go uncared for. But it is about time to take her to the cardiologist again and I'm scared. She's the best cat. She's not afraid of anything, and when peopel come over she will jump into their arms. She's never known anything but love, except when she was dumped at the shelter @ 8 weeks with her littermates, and I didn't let them stay there long. It was love at first sight with her though. I think I hold her at least 4 hours a day. She's very smart too. Here's her little picture: http://www.moonvine.net/missy On 12/26/06, Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley, I think with most of us here on this list, that it's not seeing any other option (that can be comfortably lived with) but to care for these animals. We all get so much love from our animals, who just want to be loved in return. To not take care of an animal that has been adopted/rescued/brought into our lives is simply unthinkable. I believe that all of us have in common that when we take on the care of an animal, we assume 100% responsibility for every aspect of their well-being, no matter now uncomfortable or painful it is for us. The love and joy brought into our lives erases/subdues the painful bits. Maybe not right away, but it does. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:03:42 PM Subject: How do yall do it? Hi guys, I don't have an FELV+ that I know of, but I do have a kitty with VSM (ventricular septal defect) - a heart condition. She could die at any time, or she could live for quite a while. (If you could add her to the prayer list, that would be great). Her name is Missy, and I love her more than anything in the world. She had an echocardiogram and was diagnosed with VSM this summer. I think I have cried every day since. Before she had the echo I thought she would be dead every day when I got home. Now I'm sure she will be. Nice as the heart list people are, I can't really read that list; it is too close to home. I can barely read this one, and I cry a lot here too. How do yall stand it? I don't think I am strong enough. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a
