Re: Update on papillon
I'm sorry Susan. I hope he has many 'good' days left with you. tonya Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Papillon had his vet visit today. He has been lethargic lately and yesterday he stumbled when he tried to walk. Dr. Smith found that his heart rate is up, he is having eye redness w/discharge, his stomach is beginning to collect fluid and I believe his temperature was up too. Prognosis is that his felv is on the rise, so to say. He received a cocktail shot of Depo Medrol, Dexamethasone B-12 some eye drops to be given TID. And he told me that this was all we were going to do, and I am to call him daily w/ reports. Once they start having the neuro problems, it never goes back to normal. I am going to accept this, my funds are always tight Dr. Smith knows this. He also knows that I am in the felv+ kitty club for good, and he knows also how many more special needscats I have. And he has seen this condition so many times,so, he knows what he is dealing with. He stressed 2 things for Pappy, good nutrition w/ supplements stress free lifestyle as possible. Those are the keys to the felv+ kingdom right now. I also think what Tad posted a while back made alot of sense, that we take them in, knowing they are going to die sooner rather than later, and it will hurt us, but we go on. We just do the best that we can do for these cats that not many people will open their homes to. And it is not their fault, continously dealing w/ the death of a beloved pet is hard on our souls. I understand why folks cannot do this on a regular basis. We are blessed to have them, in so many ways, and it hurts when they pass, but we just hold them in their final hours and tell them they are the best little kitty in the whole wideworld. But until then, everyday that we have them we greet them w/a smile and we tell them how much we love them and how much they mean to us.. :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: need medicine
That price is absolutely outrageous. There must be less expensive vets you could go to. My vet charges $36 for an office visit. Check vet website in your area. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:50 PM Subject: need medicine Yeah i know the cat is overdue for a vet visit. But I am currently unemployed at the moment, I am young so I still live with my mother. We are keeping the cat because my friend does not have a place to live, no job, and no money. I am feeding the cat innova food. The vet appointment will cost about 250 bucks, and they dont do payments or help for the poor. The cat is otherwise healthy. Any ideas on a good appetite stimulant and where I can get one? I will try that drugstore link. thanks Chelsea
Re: Update on papillon
Thanks, Tonja, me too. The problem is he still lives to be up high on the cat perches. Probably so that he can Lord over his kitty kingdom. He is a bit wobbly so I worry about his climbing. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 2:02 AM Subject: Re: Update on papillon I'm sorry Susan. I hope he has many 'good' days left with you. tonya Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Papillon had his vet visit today. He has been lethargic lately and yesterday he stumbled when he tried to walk. Dr. Smith found that his heart rate is up, he is having eye redness w/discharge, his stomach is beginning to collect fluid and I believe his temperature was up too. Prognosis is that his felv is on the rise, so to say. He received a cocktail shot of Depo Medrol, Dexamethasone B-12 some eye drops to be given TID. And he told me that this was all we were going to do, and I am to call him daily w/ reports. Once they start having the neuro problems, it never goes back to normal. I am going to accept this, my funds are always tight Dr. Smith knows this. He also knows that I am in the felv+ kitty club for good, and he knows also how many more special needscats I have. And he has seen this condition so many times,so, he knows what he is dealing with. He stressed 2 things for Pappy, good nutrition w/ supplements stress free lifestyle as possible. Those are the keys to the felv+ kingdom right now. I also think what Tad posted a while back made alot of sense, that we take them in, knowing they are going to die sooner rather than later, and it will hurt us, but we go on. We just do the best that we can do for these cats that not many people will open their homes to. And it is not their fault, continously dealing w/ the death of a beloved pet is hard on our souls. I understand why folks cannot do this on a regular basis. We are blessed to have them, in so many ways, and it hurts when they pass, but we just hold them in their final hours and tell them they are the best little kitty in the whole wideworld. But until then, everyday that we have them we greet them w/a smile and we tell them how much we love them and how much they mean to us.. :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Update on T-Cyte
T-Cyte has been pulled by the FDA because they say it hasn't been approved yet by them. My vet has 12 cats on it that are felv+, so,they will be missing their dose this month. Plus he is receiving 8 felv+from the FLOCK rescue this coming Monday, and he was planning to start them on it as well. I asked his wife, Sheila, if she thought it had been helping any, she said that it was just too early to tell. This all explains why yesterday when I took Papillon, who is felv+ w/ escalating systoms, to see him yesterday why he did not offer it. (Originally he said my cats were on the list to try the drug). I am espeically concerned about Percival, who is felv+ / fiv+. Altho his health has improved since I received him a few weeks ago, I want to do all that I can for him. Will keep ya posted. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Information Please
We have a new baby that we found outside a local apartment complex. We named her Autumn and she is sweet, affectionate and so smart. She is only 9 weeks old and FeLV+ This is the first cat that I've ever has with this disease and the diagnosis was a shock. I have been trying to research this illness, but there aren't many case studies. We've put her on Innova Evo dry food and I am supplementing with some treats that contain cranberry. We also have been giving her filtered water. I have read that many FeLV+ kitties suffer from teeth problems. does anyone brush their cat's teeth or is hard food good enough? Is there anything else I need to supplement with? What do I need to watch for? Is treating symptoms all we can do? I am looking for any information about Feline Leukemia. What age do you start to see symptom onset? Is there any effective proactive treatment? I am newly married and this is our first fur-baby and we don't want to let her go without a fight. Any info would be appreciated. ~Susan A.
RE: Information Please
Susan, you've come to the right place. This bunch of folks will have a lot of useful info for you. One good supplement is L-lysine, which you can get at most drug and health-food stores, you just have to make sure it doesn't have propylene glycol as an additive. I've gotten it at GNC. Was the diagnosis based on an in-office test (ELISA) or one where they send the blood to a lab (IFA). The IFA is much more reliable, not to get your hopes up but sometimes there are false positives with the ELISA. Also, cats have been known to throw off the virus on their own. You should have Autumn re-tested with the IFA in a few months to allow for the possibility that she'll throw it. Good food is an essential, and it looks like you're on the right track there. So is freedom from stress, so try not to let the diagnosis worry you to the point where she's catching your vibes. Please know that there are people on this list who have FeLV+ kitties that are several years old and still healthy; others, of course (like my Patches) will sicken and fade despite your best efforts. I'm sure others will soon be chiming in with lots of stuff I've forgotten, or never got a chance to try. Bless you for taking on this responsibility. Autumn is very lucky you found her. Congratulations on your marriage! Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Ang Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:23 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Information Please We have a new baby that we found outside a local apartment complex. We named her Autumn and she is sweet, affectionate and so smart. She is only 9 weeks old and FeLV+ This is the first cat that I've ever has with this disease and the diagnosis was a shock. I have been trying to research this illness, but there aren't many case studies. We've put her on Innova Evo dry food and I am supplementing with some treats that contain cranberry. We also have been giving her filtered water. I have read that many FeLV+ kitties suffer from teeth problems. does anyone brush their cat's teeth or is hard food good enough? Is there anything else I need to supplement with? What do I need to watch for? Is treating symptoms all we can do? I am looking for any information about Feline Leukemia. What age do you start to see symptom onset? Is there any effective proactive treatment? I am newly married and this is our first fur-baby and we don't want to let her go without a fight. Any info would be appreciated. ~Susan A. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
RE: Update on papillon
Susan, This is such a bittersweet comment that you've made. It made me smile and tear up. I think that you are all very special people to be going through the happiness and sadness that this calling in life brings. I'm hoping for the best for Pappy. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; asr Subject: Update on papillon Papillon had his vet visit today. He has been lethargic lately and yesterday he stumbled when he tried to walk. Dr. Smith found that his heart rate is up, he is having eye redness w/discharge, his stomach is beginning to collect fluid and I believe his temperature was up too. Prognosis is that his felv is on the rise, so to say. He received a cocktail shot of Depo Medrol, Dexamethasone B-12 some eye drops to be given TID. And he told me that this was all we were going to do, and I am to call him daily w/ reports. Once they start having the neuro problems, it never goes back to normal. I am going to accept this, my funds are always tight Dr. Smith knows this. He also knows that I am in the felv+ kitty club for good, and he knows also how many more special needscats I have. And he has seen this condition so many times,so, he knows what he is dealing with. He stressed 2 things for Pappy, good nutrition w/ supplements stress free lifestyle as possible. Those are the keys to the felv+ kingdom right now. I also think what Tad posted a while back made alot of sense, that we take them in, knowing they are going to die sooner rather than later, and it will hurt us, but we go on. We just do the best that we can do for these cats that not many people will open their homes to. And it is not their fault, continously dealing w/ the death of a beloved pet is hard on our souls. I understand why folks cannot do this on a regular basis. We are blessed to have them, in so many ways, and it hurts when they pass, but we just hold them in their final hours and tell them they are the best little kitty in the whole wideworld. But until then, everyday that we have them we greet them w/a smile and we tell them how much we love them and how much they mean to us.. :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
need stuff
Any idea what and where I csn buy an appetite stimulant? here is the vet visit broken down. it costs $75 for the local clinic to test for feline leukemia, rabies, and distemper booster, and leukemia vacine $65 for my vet to have a 1st checkup $100 for blood work the cat has been exposed to some questionable cats so thats why he needs tyo be checked to make sure he has not gotten leukemia thanks Binx345
Re: need stuff
It really is. Even my AAHA certified state of the art vet hospital -- which is always on the high end pricewise -- only charges $59 for the exam fee. And I'm in northern California where everything tends to be more expensive anyway. Cultivate a relationship with several vets. I have one who I use primarily and who I've known for more than 12 years. He'll work on credit or phone a prescription in to Walgreens for me and he knows me well enough to have a little faith in my own assessment of situations. Another, near one of my foster homes, offers free well kitten exams and does x-rays and necropsies at cost for us. The AAHA vet hospital is where I go for emergencies. No harm in having several or shopping around. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can refuse whatever part of that you want. $65 is extraordinarily high for a vet visit. I would find a cheaper vet. On 9/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any idea what and where I csn buy an appetite stimulant? here is the vet visit broken down. it costs $75 for the local clinic to test for feline leukemia, rabies, and distemper booster, and leukemia vacine $65 for my vet to have a 1st checkup $100 for blood work the cat has been exposed to some questionable cats so thats why he needs tyo be checked to make sure he has not gotten leukemia thanks Binx345 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: need stuff
Yes- you can refuse any part. Sometimes you really have to wrangle with the vet and you have to be firm and hold your ground. I went through something similar were I was out of work from mid-Jan. until mid-May and, in the meantime (of course- bad luck) my Felv+ cat came down with cancer- I found the lump at the end of April. Luckily, I started a new job mid-May but we did have to begin treatment (chemo) while I was still technically broke and unemployed. I still don't know how I managed it-- a lot of things went unpaid in lieu of paying vet bills, so my credit sucks again, after I spent a year repairing it, but such is life. I also had to borrow money, yet again, which sucks, but it was for my baby, soI ended up losing Monkee to anemia anyway, but I would do it again the same if I had to do. Recently, my mom and I rescued a starving adult cat from outside. We had to take it to her vet b.c it had a bad upper respiratory infection. But we were working on tracking down the owners (we eventually found and reunited them), so my mom did not want to be bullied into having all this stuff done on the cat if we weren't taking her in permanently and not mixing her with my mom's cat. The vet really tried to force my mom into blood tests, Felv tests, all these things and my mom just flat out said, no, we aren't doing that (especially b/c we weren't exposing the cat to hers at all- they were never even in the same room). My mom said they had a "stand-off" but in the end, my mom won and she got out of there with a $59 vet bill and the vet did only what we wanted- overall check-out of the cat; diagnosis of URI; providing us Clavamox as antibiotic; and telling us that everything we were already doing was right. The owners also reimbursed us for the vet bill. So, it is possible, but like I said, you have to stand your ground and go in there already knowing what tests you want run and what you don't. Stand firm. Assure the vet that when the money is available, more comprehensive work will be done, but for now, you are doing the best you can. -Caroline From:"Kelley Saveika" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject:Re: need stuffDate:Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:43:15 -0500You can refuse whatever part of that you want.$65 is extraordinarily high for a vet visit.I would find a cheaper vet.On 9/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Any idea what and where I csn buy an appetite stimulant?here is the vet visit broken down. it costs $75 for the local clinic to test for feline leukemia, rabies, and distemper booster, and leukemia vacine $65 for my vet to have a 1st checkup $100 for blood work the cat has been exposed to some questionable cats so thats why he needs tyo be checked to make sure he has not gotten leukemia thanks Binx345--Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.http://www.rescuties.orgVist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20Please help George!http://rescuties.chipin.com/georgeI GoodSearch for Rescuties.Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching theInternet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Test your celebrity IQ. Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes!
Re: need stuff
Yes to this too. I developed a relationship with my primary vet and he let me hold a surgical bill for a while (still paying on)- because he knew that I was paying up front for chemo ($250-350 once a week, each treatment...and I was unemployed!)! That was a blessing and a rarity, but if you get a relationship going, it's possible. Also, I started taking my cat to a Holistic Vet near the end of his life and she was wonderful. She was located at least 30 mins from me and so to save me and my poor cat the trip,I could contact her via email and she was always willing to do things over the phone, mail me meds, or tell me where I could get them myself. -Caroline From:Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject:Re: need stuffDate:Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:56:01 -0700 (PDT) It really is. Even my AAHA certified state of the art vet hospital -- which is always on the high end pricewise-- "only" charges $59 for the exam fee. And I'm in northern California where everything tends to be more expensive anyway. Cultivate a relationship with several vets. I have one who I use primarily and who I've known for more than 12 years. He'll work on credit or phone a prescription in to Walgreens for me and he knows me well enough to have a little faith in my own assessment of situations. Another, near one of my foster homes, offers free well kitten exams and does x-rays and necropsies at cost for us. The AAHA vet hospital is where I go for emergencies. No harm in having several or shopping around.Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can refuse whatever part of that you want.$65 is extraordinarily high for a vet visit. I would find a cheaper vet.On 9/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any idea what and where I csn buy an appetite stimulant? here is the vet visit broken down. it costs $75 for the local clinic to test for feline leukemia, rabies, and distemper booster, and leukemia vacine $65 for my vet to have a 1st checkup $100 for blood work the cat has been exposed to some questionable cats so thats why he needs tyo be checked to make sure he has not gotten leukemia thanks Binx345-- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.http://www.rescuties.orgVist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20Please help George!http://rescuties.chipin.com/georgeI GoodSearch for Rescuties.Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching theInternet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Café.
RE: need stuff
Just to add a little to what others have said -- you probably shouldn't have the cat tested for feline leukemia AND vaccinated for it at the same time. Everybody has different experiences, but if the cat is already positive for leukemia, the vaccination won't help and might actually harm. And any test they get results from immediately (the one they do right in the office) is not always accurate. Tell the vet no to the vaccine until you find out the cat's status for sure. We are using vitamin B complex (in dropper form) as an appetite stimulant for our two FeLV-negative but hyperthyroid cats, and it seems to be working. You can get it at a health food store, or possibly a drugstore but we didn't find it there. We just put a few drops right in the food. Hope this helps and that your guy tests out negative! Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: need stuff Any idea what and where I csn buy an appetite stimulant? here is the vet visit broken down. it costs $75 for the local clinic to test for feline leukemia, rabies, and distemper booster, and leukemia vacine $65 for my vet to have a 1st checkup $100 for blood work the cat has been exposed to some questionable cats so thats why he needs tyo be checked to make sure he has not gotten leukemia thanks Binx345 This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Update
Hey guys. Not sure what happened to my message...said something about being held for moderator approval. Anyway, I'm resending. Hey guys. I just got back from UT CVM with Poppy and Bella, and I promised an update. As for their health, they're doing fine really, no symptoms still, eating well, taking the missing link and lysine supplements with no problems. The entire visit at UT took about 2.5 hours, but a lot of that was just waiting. First, a fourth year student called us back and done a physical exam and initial consultation. She then sent us back to the waiting room and took the info back to the clinician and an intern. About 20 minutes later she comes back and gets me and girls, and the intern is waiting for us in the exam room. They called my local vet, who apparently had NOT done an IFA test, which kinda upsets me. I've really tried to like that vet for the simple fact that they have emergency service available and they're a block from my house, but it looks like I'm going to have to start looking for another local vet. Anyway, an IFA had not been done, so they took the girls to the back and drew blood for the IFA. They also asked if I wanted a CBC, Chem Panel, Urinalysis and Hepatic Function panels done, which would have costed another $300 :( The vet was very understanding, and said she honestly could go either way, that it was my choice, but it might be pointless to draw the blood now and then have to do it again if they get sick, so we decided to wait on the bloodwork and do another SNAP test (which she will call or email the results from those to me today) and the IFA will be back next week. Here's to hoping the *real* IFA is negative. They were all honest at the hospital. The fourth year student told me this was her first case of Feline Leukemia, and the Intern said they didn't see very many of them at the hospital, but they're going to do research on current treatments and get back with both me and my local vet regarding a treatment plan. She said FeLV is manageable, and sometimes cats live many years with it. She seemed very optimistic, which made me feel a little better. Not sure how I feel about their utter lack of experience with FeLV, but I can't expect anyone to be perfect. We're going to wait on the lab results to get a real positive and go from there. She said they may have us come back if the tests are positive to do the bloodwork and try to type/stage the disease. She said for now the best thing to do is continue doing what I am since they appear healthy and are symptomatic. She recommended waiting on the antivirals until they're symptomatic, but again said this was a matter of personal preference. I'm waiting on the recommendations they're supposed to email me now, so we'll see how it goes from there. Overall, I'm having mixed feelings about the visit. I'm certainly glad I took them, and I'd probably do it again, I guess I was just hoping for a plan today.The total bill was $316 for the exam, research, and SNAP/IFA tests for both cats. I must say, the intern, Dr. Emily Purvis, was very compassionate. As a matter of fact, she paged the front and came back up there before I left and saved me $80. She said the research she was going to do would be the same for both cats, so she didn't feel comfortable charging me twice (which saved me $80. A research visit costs $115, versus $35 for a regular visit). I appreciated her concern. The cost broke down like this: Research visit $115 Office visit $35 SNAP/IFAx2 $166 I'll be sure to let you all know what they say when they email their treatment plans/recommendations next week. Michael ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Kaylee is gone
I just came back from the vets after saying goodbye to my girl. The tumor had eaten away too much at her eye and nose area that there was no hope. I could have brought her home but it would only have been a few days and she wouldn’t have felt good. So I went to the vets and said my goodbyes while she was still sedated and held her while I had to let go. Thank you everyone for you support. Chris No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/988 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 9:14 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1002 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 5:46 PM
Re: Kaylee is gone
Chris, I am so sorry. GLOW to light Kaylee's path and ease your heart. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: Chris Behnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:14:22 PM Subject: Kaylee is gone I just came back from the vets after saying goodbye to my girl. The tumor had eaten away too much at her eye and nose area that there was no hope. I could have brought her home but it would only have been a few days and she wouldn’t have felt good. So I went to the vets and said my goodbyes while she was still sedated and held her while I had to let go. Thank you everyone for you support. Chris No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/988 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 9:14 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1002 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 5:46 PM Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html
RE: Kaylee is gone
Oh, I'm so sorry, Chris. I know we were all hoping it wasn't too bad. Gentle Bridge vibes to Kaylee and hugs to you. Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Kaylee is gone
I am so very, very sorry, Chris. I've had to do that four times in the last two years and I know how hard it is--but it is the right thing for your girl. She is in a happier (for her) place right now and her spirit thanks you for all the love you gave her. Pat - Original Message - From: Chris Behnke To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 5:14 PM Subject: Kaylee is gone I just came back from the vets after saying goodbye to my girl. The tumor had eaten away too much at her eye and nose area that there was no hope. I could have brought her home but it would only have been a few days and she wouldn’t have felt good. So I went to the vets and said my goodbyes while she was still sedated and held her while I had to let go. Thank you everyone for you support. Chris No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/988 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 9:14 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1002 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 5:46 PM
RE: Kaylee is gone
Chris, I'm so sorry to hear about precious Kaylee. I hope you find comfort and strength. You're in my prayers, Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Behnke Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Kaylee is gone I just came back from the vets after saying goodbye to my girl. The tumor had eaten away too much at her eye and nose area that there was no hope. I could have brought her home but it would only have been a few days and she wouldn't have felt good. So I went to the vets and said my goodbyes while she was still sedated and held her while I had to let go. Thank you everyone for you support. Chris No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/988 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 9:14 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1002 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 5:46 PM
Re: Kaylee is gone
Chris I am so sorry about your loss of Kaylee.Hugs to you Sherry Chris Behnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from the vets after saying goodbye to my girl. The tumor had eaten away too much at her eye and nose area that there was no hope. I could have brought her home but it would only have been a few days and she wouldnt have felt good. So I went to the vets and said my goodbyes while she was still sedated and held her while I had to let go. Thank you everyone for you support. Chris No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/988 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 9:14 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1002 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 5:46 PM - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.
Re: Kaylee is gone
Godspeed to Kaylee. She is whole and healthy and happy now. I am glad she had you to love her and that you had her unconditional love. Laurie - Original Message - From: Chris Behnke To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:14 PM Subject: Kaylee is gone I just came back from the vets after saying goodbye to my girl. The tumor had eaten away too much at her eye and nose area that there was no hope. I could have brought her home but it would only have been a few days and she wouldn’t have felt good. So I went to the vets and said my goodbyes while she was still sedated and held her while I had to let go. Thank you everyone for you support. Chris No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/988 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 9:14 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1002 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 5:46 PM
Re: Kaylee is gone
So sorry, Chris. My heart aches for you. I know your baby knows how much you love her. Dede --- Chris Behnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from the vets after saying goodbye to my girl. The tumor had eaten away too much at her eye and nose area that there was no hope. I could have brought her home but it would only have been a few days and she wouldnt have felt good. So I went to the vets and said my goodbyes while she was still sedated and held her while I had to let go. Thank you everyone for you support. Chris No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/988 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 9:14 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1002 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 5:46 PM When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
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Thanks for the update, Michael. Even tho they don't have much felv experience,being that it is a university you can bet they will be doing LOTS of research and consulting w/others more felv+ savy. I hopet his makes you feel better! Please keep us posted. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:20 PM Subject: Update Hey guys. Not sure what happened to my message...said something about being held for moderator approval. Anyway, I'm resending. Hey guys. I just got back from UT CVM with Poppy and Bella, and I promised an update. As for their health, they're doing fine really, no symptoms still, eating well, taking the missing link and lysine supplements with no problems. The entire visit at UT took about 2.5 hours, but a lot of that was just waiting. First, a fourth year student called us back and done a physical exam and initial consultation. She then sent us back to the waiting room and took the info back to the clinician and an intern. About 20 minutes later she comes back and gets me and girls, and the intern is waiting for us in the exam room. They called my local vet, who apparently had NOT done an IFA test, which kinda upsets me. I've really tried to like that vet for the simple fact that they have emergency service available and they're a block from my house, but it looks like I'm going to have to start looking for another local vet. Anyway, an IFA had not been done, so they took the girls to the back and drew blood for the IFA. They also asked if I wanted a CBC, Chem Panel, Urinalysis and Hepatic Function panels done, which would have costed another $300 :( The vet was very understanding, and said she honestly could go either way, that it was my choice, but it might be pointless to draw the blood now and then have to do it again if they get sick, so we decided to wait on the bloodwork and do another SNAP test (which she will call or email the results from those to me today) and the IFA will be back next week. Here's to hoping the *real* IFA is negative. They were all honest at the hospital. The fourth year student told me this was her first case of Feline Leukemia, and the Intern said they didn't see very many of them at the hospital, but they're going to do research on current treatments and get back with both me and my local vet regarding a treatment plan. She said FeLV is manageable, and sometimes cats live many years with it. She seemed very optimistic, which made me feel a little better. Not sure how I feel about their utter lack of experience with FeLV, but I can't expect anyone to be perfect. We're going to wait on the lab results to get a real positive and go from there. She said they may have us come back if the tests are positive to do the bloodwork and try to type/stage the disease. She said for now the best thing to do is continue doing what I am since they appear healthy and are symptomatic. She recommended waiting on the antivirals until they're symptomatic, but again said this was a matter of personal preference. I'm waiting on the recommendations they're supposed to email me now, so we'll see how it goes from there. Overall, I'm having mixed feelings about the visit. I'm certainly glad I took them, and I'd probably do it again, I guess I was just hoping for a plan today. The total bill was $316 for the exam, research, and SNAP/IFA tests for both cats. I must say, the intern, Dr. Emily Purvis, was very compassionate. As a matter of fact, she paged the front and came back up there before I left and saved me $80. She said the research she was going to do would be the same for both cats, so she didn't feel comfortable charging me twice (which saved me $80. A research visit costs $115, versus $35 for a regular visit). I appreciated her concern. The cost broke down like this: Research visit $115 Office visit $35 SNAP/IFAx2 $166 I'll be sure to let you all know what they say when they email their treatment plans/recommendations next week. Michael -- See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.
Re: Kaylee is gone
I am so, so sorry, Chris. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Chris Behnke To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Kaylee is gone I just came back from the vets after saying goodbye to my girl. The tumor had eaten away too much at her eye and nose area that there was no hope. I could have brought her home but it would only have been a few days and she wouldn’t have felt good. So I went to the vets and said my goodbyes while she was still sedated and held her while I had to let go. Thank you everyone for you support. Chris No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/988 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 9:14 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1002 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 5:46 PM
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Chris I am so very sorry Kaylee had to leave this world.he is now happy and whole in a better world. She knows you loved her and did your best. Thanks for looking after her. Sally On 9/11/07, Chris Behnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *I just came back from the vets after saying goodbye to my girl. The tumor had eaten away too much at her eye and nose area that there was no hope. I could have brought her home but it would only have been a few days and she wouldn't have felt good. So I went to the vets and said my goodbyes while she was still sedated and held her while I had to let go. Thank you everyone for you support.* Chris No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/988 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 9:14 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1002 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 5:46 PM -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
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Today we finally found time to take 6 of our 12 'Houston hoarder cats to the clinic for retesting. These cats, if you remember, came from a house of 185 neglected cats. Many of the cats were felv+. I took in 14 to foster, and @ first they were all housed in one large walk in size pen. We were testing them 3 @ a time, and the very last cat that we tested, Lillian, came up felv+. Which meant all of the other 13 cats had had a continous exposure to felv for about 3 weeks. In very close quarters. And many of the cats were sick w/ all kinds of problems when we got them, as well as malnourishment. We had pyrometria, URI, mouth ulcers, toe infections, very stressed out geriatrics, megacolon, and one little kitty w/seizures that did not make it... :( to name some of the problems. Anyway, of the 6 that we tested today, all came back neg/neg after a 4month quarantine. We are planning an adoption event to be held for them,hopefully this weekend,so that they can now start finding permanent mew homes. :) The other 6 are in a separate pen, and we will be getting their tests performed the first of next week. Please wish them well.. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: Kaylee is gone
Chris, I am so, so sorry about Kaylee. This must be so hard for you. If there is anything we can do for you, please let us know. Bless you for your last loving kindness to her. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Chris Behnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:14:22 PM Subject: Kaylee is gone I just came back from the vets after saying goodbye to my girl. The tumor had eaten away too much at her eye and nose area that there was no hope. I could have brought her home but it would only have been a few days and she wouldn’t have felt good. So I went to the vets and said my goodbyes while she was still sedated and held her while I had to let go. Thank you everyone for you support. Chris No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/988 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 9:14 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1002 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 5:46 PM Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
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Michael, Wow! Another chance for negative tests!!! I am praying the results are negative for both of your furbabies, and if not now, that 3 months from now, they will be. Technically, Bella could have been shedding the virus and exposed Poppy, if Poppy had never been exposed before, and we can't prove that she had. If this is the case, she has the opportunity to throw the virus. So does Grizzabella (I love this name by the way). I was also thinking about your original vet. Did they charge you for an IFA test? You said they called you and said the results were in the next day; what the heck were they talking about??? If they didn't, they owe you some money back, at the very least!!! Also, did they do an IFA on Penelope??? I know you said she tested negative, but what if it was only the Elisa? If they both come back negative, then there's no point in retesting Penelope. You have learned so much Michael. You're like a human sponge! I'm impressed with how well you have handled all this. So much logic and compassion. A great combination. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:20:08 PM Subject: Update Hey guys. Not sure what happened to my message...said something about being held for moderator approval. Anyway, I'm resending. Hey guys. I just got back from UT CVM with Poppy and Bella, and I promised an update. As for their health, they're doing fine really, no symptoms still, eating well, taking the missing link and lysine supplements with no problems. The entire visit at UT took about 2.5 hours, but a lot of that was just waiting. First, a fourth year student called us back and done a physical exam and initial consultation. She then sent us back to the waiting room and took the info back to the clinician and an intern. About 20 minutes later she comes back and gets me and girls, and the intern is waiting for us in the exam room. They called my local vet, who apparently had NOT done an IFA test, which kinda upsets me. I've really tried to like that vet for the simple fact that they have emergency service available and they're a block from my house, but it looks like I'm going to have to start looking for another local vet. Anyway, an IFA had not been done, so they took the girls to the back and drew blood for the IFA. They also asked if I wanted a CBC, Chem Panel, Urinalysis and Hepatic Function panels done, which would have costed another $300 :( The vet was very understanding, and said she honestly could go either way, that it was my choice, but it might be pointless to draw the blood now and then have to do it again if they get sick, so we decided to wait on the bloodwork and do another SNAP test (which she will call or email the results from those to me today) and the IFA will be back next week. Here's to hoping the *real* IFA is negative. They were all honest at the hospital. The fourth year student told me this was her first case of Feline Leukemia, and the Intern said they didn't see very many of them at the hospital, but they're going to do research on current treatments and get back with both me and my local vet regarding a treatment plan. She said FeLV is manageable, and sometimes cats live many years with it. She seemed very optimistic, which made me feel a little better. Not sure how I feel about their utter lack of experience with FeLV, but I can't expect anyone to be perfect. We're going to wait on the lab results to get a real positive and go from there. She said they may have us come back if the tests are positive to do the bloodwork and try to type/stage the disease. She said for now the best thing to do is continue doing what I am since they appear healthy and are symptomatic. She recommended waiting on the antivirals until they're symptomatic, but again said this was a matter of personal preference. I'm waiting on the recommendations they're supposed to email me now, so we'll see how it goes from there. Overall, I'm having mixed feelings about the visit. I'm certainly glad I took them, and I'd probably do it again, I guess I was just hoping for a plan today. The total bill was $316 for the exam, research, and SNAP/IFA tests for both cats. I must say, the intern, Dr. Emily Purvis, was very compassionate. As a matter of fact, she paged the front and came back up there before I left and saved me $80. She said the research she was going to do would be the same for both cats, so she didn't feel comfortable charging me twice (which saved me $80. A research visit costs $115, versus $35 for a regular visit). I appreciated her concern. The cost broke down like this: Research visit $115 Office visit $35 SNAP/IFAx2
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You might consider shopping around for vets. You can call and ask what they charge. I second what Diane said about not testing and vaccinating the same day. Is there a reason the vaccinations have to be done at the same time as the office visit? Is this kitty going to be exposed to other kitties or indoor only. Most of us do not vaccinate our indoor only cats, unless we're mixing FeLV +'s and -'s, then we only do the FeLV vaccine. You really only need an exam and an FeLV test to begin with, right? Make sure you have them do an IFA test. I have not read your original post yet, so I hope I am not writing stuff that doesn't make any difference. Sorry if I do. Cyproheptadine is a GREAT appetite stimulant. Just don't give the liquid form. It tastes and smells HORRIBLE! It's prescription only. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:39:39 PM Subject: need stuff Any idea what and where I csn buy an appetite stimulant? here is the vet visit broken down. it costs $75 for the local clinic to test for feline leukemia, rabies, and distemper booster, and leukemia vacine $65 for my vet to have a 1st checkup $100 for blood work the cat has been exposed to some questionable cats so thats why he needs tyo be checked to make sure he has not gotten leukemia thanks Binx345 Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
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Hi Susan, Welcome to the group! This is the best place you will find for reliable info. on FeLV. I do not do any dentals on my cats at all. Some here do. Just depends on your philosophy (and bank account...lol). Did you know that cats can throw the FeLV virus? It's called seroconverting, and about 30-40% of cats do it after exposure. So retesting Autumn in 3-4 months might be a great idea. She may not have it next time you test! Keeping Autumn stress-free and feeding her a good diet are the two most important things you can do to keep the virus sequestered. I would also supplement her food with 250 mg a day of lysine (PURE lysine). You can buy it at the health food store and add it to her wet food; it's tasteless. I feed mine Innova Evo too. IMO, it's the best there is, mainly because of the protein content and lack of grains. What to watch for? Same as you would for a healthy cat: lethargy, white gums (anemia), inappetence, fever. The symptoms can onset at any time or never. Kittens are more susceptible because their immune systems aren't fully developed (thus the lysine). There are also proactive treatments. Best Friends Animal Sanctuary in Utah (the big kahuna of sanctuaries) gives their FeLV babies intramuscular shots of ImmunoRegulin once a week or month (can't remember). You might be able to find info. on their website. Other people use Interferon. You might post specific questions as subject headings in order to catch the eye of some of the members, because many don't read all posts, especially if they are crunched for time. A great place for you to go is the archives on the main webpage. There is SO much information there. You won't be lacking for info, that's for sure! Congratulations on your new marriage! And please keep us posted on your furbaby and any more questions you have! :) Wendy Dallas, TX Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
Re: Update
Wendy, I'm not really sure WHAT they done at the local vet. :/ I was rather confused myself today when they told me Creekside said they hadn't done an IFA. :/ All the invoice/receipt says is Feline Leukemia/ FIV Combo TEST. I just assumed that when we asked them to send her blood off and test her again that they'd do an IFA, but apparently they done another STRAP/ELISA test. I really don't understand how they sent that off, unless what they actually done was drew the blood and stored it at their office until the STRAP test kits came in the next day, which I'm thinking is looking more and more like the most likely possibility. As for Penny, she has not been retested yet. I'll be getting them to do an IFA on her next appointment (in six months). And I guess I'll just start looking for a new local vet now. Ugh. I'll update you guys when I have more info! Michael ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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Thank you for taking in Autumn. I'm sure you'll get a lot of advice from the list. Is she showing any symptoms or do you just have a positive test? tonya Susan Ang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a new baby that we found outside a local apartment complex. We named her Autumn and she is sweet, affectionate and so smart. She is only 9 weeks old and FeLV+ This is the first cat that I've ever has with this disease and the diagnosis was a shock. I have been trying to research this illness, but there aren't many case studies. We've put her on Innova Evo dry food and I am supplementing with some treats that contain cranberry. We also have been giving her filtered water. I have read that many FeLV+ kitties suffer from teeth problems. does anyone brush their cat's teeth or is hard food good enough? Is there anything else I need to supplement with? What do I need to watch for? Is treating symptoms all we can do? I am looking for any information about Feline Leukemia. What age do you start to see symptom onset? Is there any effective proactive treatment? I am newly married and this is our first fur-baby and we don't want to let her go without a fight. Any info would be appreciated. ~Susan A.
Re: Kaylee is gone
Chris, I dreaded opening up this email from you as I had a feeling about this even though I prayed hard for a miracle for your Angel Kaylee. I know how heart breaking this is on you. As I went through it too. I just told my husband and he sad poor baby and my god just like our Taz. It's like time is repeating itself all over again. He walked away with wet eyes and said Damn this Disease We are so sorry and want you to take care of yourself as this isn't easy to deal with. If you need someone to write to or just to vent please do contact me. I'm here for you. In a message dated 9/11/2007 2:15:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just came back from the vets after saying goodbye to my girl. The tumor had eaten away too much at her eye and nose area that there was no hope. I could have brought her home but it would only have been a few days and she wouldn’t have felt good. So I went to the vets and said my goodbyes while she was still sedated and held her while I had to let go. Thank you everyone for you support. Chris TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Terrie Mohr-Forker _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com inline: image1.jpg
