Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability
Please, can anyone help me? My cat has dermatitis and she keeps on taking away her hair. I don't know what to think! My vet says we have to wait but the cat gets worse. Stefania Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability
Make sure there is no thyroid problem. Hair loose is a common sign of that. On Feb 9, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Pebble wrote: Please, can anyone help me? My cat has dermatitis and she keeps on taking away her hair. I don't know what to think! My vet says we have to wait but the cat gets worse. Stefania Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability
Additional thought food allergies can have this effect too. Try an elimination diet. On Feb 9, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Pebble wrote: Please, can anyone help me? My cat has dermatitis and she keeps on taking away her hair. I don't know what to think! My vet says we have to wait but the cat gets worse. Stefania Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Juno Please add to the CLS :(
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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability
Hi, Make sure there is no thyroid problem. Hair loose is a common sign of that. Could it be that she is allergic to amoxicillin or to the anesthetic? She developed this dermatitis two day after we stopped amoxicillin and the day after she was sedated to take a blood test. Can this change the results of PCR? I'm really upset and my vet thinks that the dermatitis has not been caused by the medication, but I cannot agree with that. Stefania Passa a Yahoo! Mail. La webmail che ti offre GRATIS spazio illimitato, antispam e messenger integrato. http://it.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability
Check with another vet. A specialist testing the Royal Princess Kitty Katt (not FeLV+ but diagnosing cancer) about killed her with some medsof course he said it wasn't the drugs but she straightened up under the care of her regular vet. For over a week I thought she was dying. She could barely move. If your gut tells you one thing and the vet says another check it out. I can't answer your other questions but I am sure someone on the panel can. The amount of knowledge and experience here is amazing. On Feb 9, 2009, at 8:20 AM, Stefania wrote: Hi, Make sure there is no thyroid problem. Hair loose is a common sign of that. Could it be that she is allergic to amoxicillin or to the anesthetic? She developed this dermatitis two day after we stopped amoxicillin and the day after she was sedated to take a blood test. Can this change the results of PCR? I'm really upset and my vet thinks that the dermatitis has not been caused by the medication, but I cannot agree with that. Stefania Passa a Yahoo! Mail. La webmail che ti offre GRATIS spazio illimitato, antispam e messenger integrato. http://it.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Survey
I have/had 4 FELV+ kittens. I was fostering large numbers of kittens and URI cats from the city shelter but all tested negative before coming home with me or after being in isolation, before mixing with negative cats. As far as I can guess, a pregnant Himi mom that tested negative after giving birth, passed FELV to her one surviving kitten, Lady Baltimore. That kitten was very sickly but with intensive nursing care, was taken to be spayed when she reached 3 lbs in weight and we were shocked to find out that she was FELV+. The kitten was in good health for only about 2 months then started losing weight and died about 6 weeks later. The other 3 kittens all tested negative when they came into the house but interacted with Lady Baltimore during the period before she was spayed. I just didn't dream that she could be positive coming from a negative mom. These kittens all tested positive at about 7-9 months of age. That was 3 months ago so they are all around 1 year of age now. Two were and are in excellent health. One came to me with a bad URI and has always been a chronic snuffler and has on and off periods of sleeping more than usual. His snuffling, congestion, and energy levels improved signifcantly when I did 3 Intranasal FVRCP vaccinations in the eyes and nose, 2 weeks apart, around Christmas according to the advice of a vet that heard about this at a vet conference last year. He has grown well throughout though. Next month when I have the money, I plan to get some blood work on him and talk to the vet about these down periods he has. Otherwise, so far I haven't been convinced about supplements for them. They all eat dry IAMS adult food with small bits of canned ProPlan occasionally. All are indoors and mixed with vaccinated negative cats. I am a research scientist and work for a pharmaceutical company although the immune system is not my specialty. So far, I am not convinced that supplements that are purported to stimulate the immune system have any efficacy. I joined this list to learn what I can from the anecdotal information and am trying to get to the meat of the reports of good results with various therapies. Thanks to all on the list for all of your information! Trissa in Philadelphia catatonya catato...@yahoo.com Sent by: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 08-Feb-2009 15:01 Please respond to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To felvtalk@felineleukemia.org cc Subject Re: [Felvtalk] Survey AT WHAT AGE DID YOUR CAT BECOME FeLV POSITIVE? CC was positive as a kitten. she was found in a parking lot, so I have no idea. DD was positive when I got her at about 2 years of age. WHAT TREATMENTS DID YOU DO/ CC got very sick at about 8 months and almost died. We used interferon, immunoregulin, she eye herpes and medicines for that and saw a homeopath.DD has never been sick but once and was put on antibiotics. I give her no special treatments. WHAT LIFESTYLE DO YOUR CATS LEAD, all indoors ? LIVE WITH OTHER CATS OR NOT? Yes, up to 10 at a time. there has been no contamination of my negatives. CC lived until about 8 years old, and died of herpes. CC is still fine at around 10 years old.t__ _ How fun is this? IMing with Windows Live Messenger just got better. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/messenger.aspx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability
Check with another vet. A specialist testing the Royal Princess Kitty Katt (not FeLV+ but diagnosing cancer) about killed her with some medsof course he said it wasn't the drugs but she straightened up under the care of her regular vet. For over a week I thought she was dying. She could barely move. If your gut tells you one thing and the vet says another check it out. I can't answer your other questions but I am sure someone on the panel can. The amount of knowledge and experience here is amazing. Thanks a lot. I'm very anxious with my cat because she has NEVER been ill in all her life and now she has everything?!?!? I cannot understand, really. I cannot accept that she is Felv+ and has never never had any slight problem in NINE years of age! She has never taken any medication, except for one injection of Baytrill two years ago, because she had ache in her throat. How can she be Felv+ and have other problems? If you read my first message I described her current problem: saliva production + strange tongue (it seems smooth and not as a cat tongue has to be) + red and watery nose (but not as in a cold!, it's the nose itself that is wet). Stefania Passa a Yahoo! Mail. La webmail che ti offre GRATIS spazio illimitato, antispam e messenger integrato. http://it.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV.
he General sounds like a fabulous cat. It is great that he persisted. Are you using l-lycine as a supplement? Thanks, he is a really special guy. He's won all of us non-cat people in the family over (except the dog, and she still hate him). I know of Dr. Dodds from having an epileptic dog :-) I didn't realize that she was involved with cats as well. I'm going to talk to my vet this year about the vaccinations. I don't have my dog vaccinated any longer, and since General is now an inside cat, I don't really see the need for him to be vaccinated. Sidney -Original Message- From: Jane Lyons j.ly...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 8:59 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV. Hi Sidney The General sounds like a fabulous cat. It is great that he persisted. Are you using l-lycine as a supplement? I was able to get rid of a really bad upper respiratory with it. I buy it in capsule form and mix the powder into cats food and my cat, who could be a forensic pathologist when it comes to detecting supplements, does not know it is there. I make sure she gets 500mg daily and although it takes time, it usually works. I also use interferon, but give it on and off each day, rather than weeks. I wonder if that would make a difference. There is a study underway (Dr. Jean Dodds ..Rabies Challenge) to prove that we over vaccinate our animals and that one rabies shot should protect an animal for its lifetime. You can Google the 'rabies challenge' and read about the study and the vets who are involved. A rabies shot can be stressful for a healthy animal. I would think twice about vaccinating an Felv kittie. Hope your General continues to thrive. Jane On Feb 7, 2009, at 9:17 AM, souther...@aol.com wrote: AT WHAT AGE DID YOUR CAT BECOME FeLV POSITIVE? WHAT TREATMENTS DID YOU DO/ARE DOING? WHAT FOOD DO/DID YOU FEED? WHAT LIFESTYLE DO YOUR CATS LEAD, E.G; INDOOR, OUTDOOR/BOTH ? LIVE WITH OTHER CATS OR NOT? HAS YOUR CAT HAD/HAVE ANY OTHER ILLNESSES AND OR STRESS IN LIFE? IF SO WHAT? WHAT AGE IS YOUR CAT NOW? OR WHEN THEY DIED? WHAT DID THEY DIE OF? My big boy, General Sterling Price, came to me. I have never owned a cat in my life. I was working in my flowers in April 2007 when this big black tuxedo cat came and CLIMBED ON MY BACK. I was not happy. I tried to shoo him away. He was having none of it. He was like a bag of bones. And he cried so pitifully that I went and got him a bowl of milk (I didn't know cats weren't supposed to have milk any more than dogs are!) He drank it down so I got him another, which he drank down. The next day he was still out there. So I brought him dog food out (it's all I had) and he ate the entire bowl. So the next day, when he was still there, I bought him a sack of some sort of cat food at the grocery. He ate it of course. After 3 weeks of doing this I decided that if he was gonna hang around, then he was gonna be neutered. So I took him to the vet. He did the required blood tests and said this cat is FeLV +. You might as well have him put to sleep as he's gonna die anyway. By then I had developed an attachment to him, so I changed vets. (I now take him to the Nashville Cat Clinic) This boy went from living outside to living in the garage to now living in the house and sleeping in the bed with the Mini Schnauzer who hates him and my husband and me. He has some really strange eating habits these days. He won't eat any one food for long. My vet wants him on grain free canned but he's not willing to eat that right now. He is now eating Evo dry and Halo dry. He'll eat one for 2-3 days and then he won't eat it and I'll change. The only problem I have is that I can no longer get him to take his supplements. He's on an immune system supplement that is a tablet I used to mix with the wet food. Now he won't eat it if I do. I've tried even mixing it in tuna and he won't eat it. So I'm in a little bit of a state over this. he is also on interferon 7 days on and 7 days off. I've also had some problems with this lately as he seems to throw up on the days that I give him interferon. He's had a kidney infection he's overcome. he has had pancreatitis that he's overcome, and he's had some fairly chronic upper respiratory infections. We think he's probably about 4-7 years old. He came to me when he was between 2-5 we think. I think he was dumped because he has such a love of humans. He's a big (15 lbs now) lapcat. He loves to be petted. He loves to be around people. He follows me every step I take, if the dog will let him. His only stress is the Mini Schnauzer who is 12 and has epilepsy :-) She hates him. He just tries to stay out of her way. (She sleeps on the bed at the foot and he sleeps
Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability
Stefania, Most vets us an in house test for felv/fiv - the snap test. The felv/fiv snap test is generally a pretty good test. (By the way, it does not utilize PCR, instead it is an ELISA test). It is certainly possible, however, to get a false positive result. In general, you can repeat the test (usually in approximately four to six weeks). I would recommend this. If it is again positive, you can send the blood out to a lab to have an IFA - immunoflouresence assay - done. If this is also positive it is highly likely it is a true positive. As for the use of PCR, I do not think that is currently used for felv detection. It is possible that I am simply not familiar with its use in that way. I have to suggest to you, that it is a somewhat strange history for feline leukemia. I am not certain I fully understand the current problems she is having but I would remain suspect about the accuracy of the test at this point. My greatest recommendation is to repeat the test. Good luck, Jenny la_st...@tin.it la_st...@tin.it wrote: Hello, I have a cat who is 9 years old (born apr 2000) and she has always been in good health condition and never been to the veterinary (except for her vaccines, yearly). She lived the first two years in an apartment with no contacts with other cats, then we changed home and she got the vaccine for leukemia prior to go out and meet other cats. She is a very strange cat and does not like to meet other cats or animals: she is afraid of contact. She is also spayed. This january, she began to have problems: her tongue was strange and her nose also. She doesn't have fever or other symptoms, but her hair is always dirty because she doesn't wash it. My vet gave her amoxicillin for 3 weeks, but nothing changed. We finally decided to test her blood and the results are ok, BUT she is FELV+ (FIV-). I cannot understand HOW this could happen, because every year she gets her vaccine and she does not interact with other cats! Now, she has also dermatitis. I'd like to know if this PCR test is absolutely reliable or not. Besides, isn't it strange that my cat developed the illness at the age of 9? Could it be that she is now in the viremic phase and could recover in the future and the virus remain latent? I hope you understand. Unfortunately I'm not English mother tongue and it's difficult to explain everything well. Thanks, Stefania ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV.
L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective against herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate. I'm not saying it doesn't do anything else, I just haven't seen anything that shows that it does. But, since it won't do any harm, I suppose giving it couldn't hurt. I would suggest buying the 1 lb. jar of powdered lysine made by NOW, a lot easier to use and less expensive than capsules. The jar contains 822 500mg doses. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of souther...@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV survey, please take part, just a personal one to better undertsand FeLV. he General sounds like a fabulous cat. It is great that he persisted. Are you using l-lycine as a supplement? Thanks, he is a really special guy. He's won all of us non-cat people in the family over (except the dog, and she still hate him). I know of Dr. Dodds from having an epileptic dog :-) I didn't realize that she was involved with cats as well. I'm going to talk to my vet this year about the vaccinations. I don't have my dog vaccinated any longer, and since General is now an inside cat, I don't really see the need for him to be vaccinated. Sidney ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement
My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was aware of only one controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes. He said that the study showed that L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that it had absolutely no effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks. Apparently these are not the same results that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on continuing outbreaks. I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its use in cats however in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak. L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective against herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Survey
Survey Answers for Bailey: AT WHAT AGE DID YOUR CAT BECOME FeLV POSITIVE? Bailey was positive when I found him at 5 months of age. I had him tested several times throughout his life and he always tested positive. WHAT TREATMENTS DID YOU DO? I tried the interferon and vitamins and supplements but giving the stuff to him was very stressful, so I stopped all of that and just kept his life as stress free as possible. He would pout and stop eating when getting his supplements and the interferon made him lethargic and he didn't eat well on his 7 days on. WHAT LIFESTYLE DO YOUR CATS LEAD? Up until 5 or so years ago all of my furkids where indoor only. Then one day Bailey, Shelbee and KC pushed the screen out and got out in the front yard. Bailey decided he liked going outside so after a couple of months of him rolling in front of the door and crying and scratching trying to get out, we had built an enclosure off the back sliding door. We took the screen off the kitchen window and put a plexiglass doggy door in it's place. I can leave the window open and the cats can come and go outside into the enclosure via the doggy door. Or keep the window closed and they can't go out. Bailey loved being able to go out in his enclosure and it was directly because of him that we had it built. It is 21 by 22 feet and 8 feet high with chicken wire across the top, furkids don't get out and hawks don't get in. LIVE WITH OTHER CATS OR NOT? Bailey had a total of 8 house mates at any point and time in his life all negative. 5 are still with us, the others have joined Bailey on the other side now, none ever got FeLV from him and I had them all tested on several occasions throughout their lives. HAS YOUR CAT HAD/HAVE ANY OTHER ILLNESSES AND OR STRESS IN LIFE? Bailey was healthy until the last 6 months of his life, he stopped eating and had continuous diarrhea, tests determined he was anemic and had pre-cancerous cells in his bone marrow ... we fixed the anemia with epogen, but he never ate on his own again and we had a feeding tube put in. He seemed uncomfortable when I fed him and I asked my vet about pancreatitis, she said she didn't think so because his amylese and glucose was normal. In hindsight I believe that is exactly what he had going on and the untreated inflammation turned into cancer. We did test after test to try and find the cancer we suspected he had somewhere. We never found it and my vet didn't feel comfortable treating for cancer not knowing for sure he had it and if so what kind and where. WHAT AGE IS YOUR CAT NOW? OR WHEN THEY DIED? Bailey had just turned 11 years old on May 1st 2006, he passed away May 6th 2006. WHAT DID THEY DIE OF? Undiagnosed and untreated Pancreatic cancer found after he passed by necropsy. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement
Interesting - we should look around for studies (in our spare time lol). One study does not the truth make, just becomes an invitation for another study. But that's very interesting. Let's see - I think the Herpes virus is supposed to feed on L- Arginine, so increasing the ration of L-Lysine to L-Arginine is supposed to lessen the Herpes virus. So does seem to make sense. Seems to work for my cats. Gloria On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:32 AM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was aware of only one controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes. He said that the study showed that L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that it had absolutely no effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks. Apparently these are not the same results that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on continuing outbreaks. I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its use in cats however in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak. L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective against herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement
I would bet on l-lycine. I tried everything that my allopathic vet recommended to get rid of a really bad upper respiratory. I cannot remember the antibiotics she tried but nothing worked. Someone on this list recommended l-lycine and although it took several weeks, it did work. I also think that the supplements that I used worked as well. Since I was not using drugs or pharmaceuticals of any kind, I cannot imagine how MeMe recovered from many severe symptoms if the supplements were not improving or supporting her immune system. Jane On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Interesting - we should look around for studies (in our spare time lol). One study does not the truth make, just becomes an invitation for another study. But that's very interesting. Let's see - I think the Herpes virus is supposed to feed on L- Arginine, so increasing the ration of L-Lysine to L-Arginine is supposed to lessen the Herpes virus. So does seem to make sense. Seems to work for my cats. Gloria On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:32 AM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was aware of only one controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes. He said that the study showed that L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that it had absolutely no effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks. Apparently these are not the same results that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on continuing outbreaks. I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its use in cats however in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak. L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective against herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement
Works for mine. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement Interesting - we should look around for studies (in our spare time lol). One study does not the truth make, just becomes an invitation for another study. But that's very interesting. Let's see - I think the Herpes virus is supposed to feed on L- Arginine, so increasing the ration of L-Lysine to L-Arginine is supposed to lessen the Herpes virus. So does seem to make sense. Seems to work for my cats. Gloria On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:32 AM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was aware of only one controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes. He said that the study showed that L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that it had absolutely no effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks. Apparently these are not the same results that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on continuing outbreaks. I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its use in cats however in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak. L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective against herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement
I can't comment on the study as I haven't seen it, but lysine is recommended by many feline opthamologists for the treatment of herpes. It is also in the Merck Veterinary Manual. Also, I have 2 cats with this condition and lysine keeps their eyes clear. If I stop the lysine the eyes get runny again. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was aware of only one controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes. He said that the study showed that L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that it had absolutely no effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks. Apparently these are not the same results that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on continuing outbreaks. I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its use in cats however in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak. L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective against herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability
On Feb 9, 2009, at 8:20 AM, Stefania wrote: Hi, Make sure there is no thyroid problem. Hair loose is a common sign of that. Could it be that she is allergic to amoxicillin or to the anesthetic? She developed this dermatitis two day after we stopped amoxicillin and the day after she was sedated to take a blood test. Can this change the results of PCR? I'm really upset and my vet thinks that the dermatitis has not been caused by the medication, but I cannot agree with that. Stefania Passa a Yahoo! Mail. La webmail che ti offre GRATIS spazio illimitato, antispam e messenger integrato. http://it.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability
I am certainly not diagnosing your cat. In humans a smooth tongue is a symptom of anemia. Anemia is common in FELV cats. Are her gums pale? I had severe anemia and my tongue was very sore as well. Could be why she is not grooming it hurts. Just a though. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
