Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[Alice hanson]

vitamin E 200 I.u.'s human dose, once a week. if your cat doesn''t like it 
(mine chews it up and swallows it willingly, the only med that she will take 
without a fight and she is missing 8 teeth), you can cut it and squeeze the goo 
onto the affected area. This clears it up all the time for my cat. OR, there is 
this expensive ointment that is usually used for dogs, that my vet gives me. 
Mupirocin Ointment, 2 % 22gm. that works too. IT also lasts a LONG time.  My 
cat eats both dry and wet,and prefers the dry. I grind up the grilled or sliced 
varieties of fancy feast wet to tiny morsel size, and they will eat it that 
way. It makes the tiny cans last longer and they still have the texture that 
they perfer. Hope this helps. You guys don't hear from me much because one of 
your members got mean to me and smeared my name and ruined my reputation on 
this site. But I am overlooking this because I DO know what helps the kitty in 
this instance. I wish you and your kitty well,
alice
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  Subject: [Felvtalk] stomatitis


  Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad stomatitis. We had 
his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and after a few weeks of antibiotics 
post-dental surgery he was doing much much better-- eating a lot more, gained 3 
pounds in 3 weeks, not seeming to have any mouth pain and the redness was all 
gone. We stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin then switched to 
clavamox) and he remained ok for  a few days. He then went to a potential 
adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week later she called for us to get him 
back, largely because his mouth got really bad again. He is back on Clavamox, 
and has been for a few days, but is growling when he eats and can only eat wet 
food that we break up into very small pieces. His gums are very inflamed again. 
I had 6 FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none had stomatitis like this. For those 
of you whose cats have it or had it, what do you recommend?

  thanks,
  Michelle
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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[Heather]

We had a rescue this year with stomatitis, his mouth was in terrible shape
and he had to have all but his canines extracted.   He was treated for
Bartonella as well which may or may not have (controversial--everything
related to bartonella seems to be controversial) related to the stomatitis,
and was also put on Atopica.   He did AMAZINGLY and went from daily Atopica
to every other day and now has been weaned from it, is up to 15 lbs and
eating like a champ.

My understanding is that Atopica is safer than the steriods but not sure if
it depends on the situation as to what is best.

My vet also mentioned Bovine Lactoferrin as a supplement to try if he didn't
respond to the Atopica but we didn't since he did so well.  You can buy it
on Amazone (the bovine lactoferrin).

Good luck to you  your kitty!

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 4:54 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

 Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad stomatitis. We
 had his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and after a few weeks of
 antibiotics post-dental surgery he was doing much much better-- eating a lot
 more, gained 3 pounds in 3 weeks, not seeming to have any mouth pain and the
 redness was all gone. We stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin
 then switched to clavamox) and he remained ok for  a few days. He then went
 to a potential adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week later she called
 for us to get him back, largely because his mouth got really bad again. He
 is back on Clavamox, and has been for a few days, but is growling when he
 eats and can only eat wet food that we break up into very small pieces. His
 gums are very inflamed again. I had 6 FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none
 had stomatitis like this. For those of you whose cats have it or had it,
 what do you recommend?

 thanks,
 Michelle
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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[Debbie Bates]

Just wondering...when my sister's cat was having a flair up, they put him on 
steroids...is this not done any longer?

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo


 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:54:26 -0500
 From: lernermiche...@aol.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] stomatitis
 
 Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad stomatitis. We had 
 his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and after a few weeks of antibiotics 
 post-dental surgery he was doing much much better-- eating a lot more, gained 
 3 pounds in 3 weeks, not seeming to have any mouth pain and the redness was 
 all gone. We stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin then 
 switched to clavamox) and he remained ok for a few days. He then went to a 
 potential adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week later she called for us 
 to get him back, largely because his mouth got really bad again. He is back 
 on Clavamox, and has been for a few days, but is growling when he eats and 
 can only eat wet food that we break up into very small pieces. His gums are 
 very inflamed again. I had 6 FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none had 
 stomatitis like this. For those of you whose cats have it or had it, what do 
 you recommend?
 
 thanks,
 Michelle
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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[Gloria Lane]

Yes that's one standard way that vets treat it.  But when it gets bad  
you can't just increase steroid dosage without some other risks.


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Just wondering...when my sister's cat was having a flair up, they  
put him on steroids...is this not done any longer?


Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo




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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:54:26 -0500
From: lernermiche...@aol.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad  
stomatitis. We had his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and  
after a few weeks of antibiotics post-dental surgery he was doing  
much much better-- eating a lot more, gained 3 pounds in 3 weeks,  
not seeming to have any mouth pain and the redness was all gone. We  
stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin then switched  
to clavamox) and he remained ok for a few days. He then went to a  
potential adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week later she  
called for us to get him back, largely because his mouth got really  
bad again. He is back on Clavamox, and has been for a few days, but  
is growling when he eats and can only eat wet food that we break up  
into very small pieces. His gums are very inflamed again. I had 6  
FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none had stomatitis like this. For  
those of you whose cats have it or had it, what do you recommend?


thanks,
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[Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell

[mary (merlin) marshall]

Sally,

In the interest of self-disclosure, you should mention that the company you 
work for, Tower Laboratories, pushes Linus Pauling products and Vitamin C 
therapy
http://hearttechnology.com/

You yourself wrote a book on Vitamin C therapy for heart disease and the 
Pauling therapy.
http://www.sallyjewell.com/

Its your job to push Vitamin C therapy.

Can you provide references for any scientific study in the last 10 years on 
Vitamin C curing FeLV, FIP, stomatis or what have you in cats?  Anything 
published in refereed veterinary medicine journals?  I did a Google search 
looking for anything on Vitamin C and FeLV, and was not able to come up with 
anything.

Anecdotal reports (by you) of Vitamin C therapy curing a cat of a fatal 
disease are one thing, and could well be true.  But it remains hearsay and 
anecdotal until there is a formal scientific study proving the point.  I think 
it is unfair of you to get the hopes up of people desperate to save the lives 
of their beloved pets by pushing Vitamin C therapy as proven fact for a 
relatively cheap cure, when there is nothing in the scientific literature 
supporting your claims.

If you pose it as experimental, with anecdotal stories of its effectiveness, 
that may or may not help/save people's animals, then people can go in a bit 
more informed that maybe it might work - but maybe it won't.  And be prepared 
if it won't.

You will probably call me all sorts of names, and proclaim I am part of the 
evil scientific system that aims to squash research into simple cures with no 
money for big business.  Fine.  But give me some proof, otherwise you are just 
selling snake oil and preying on people's love of their pets.

Here's one for you: why don't you talk your company, Tower Laboratories into 
footing the bill for a scientific study on the curative powers of Vitamin C?  
Pick any feline fatal disease, they could all use an effective cure.  Put out a 
call for sick animals, say ones with veterinary diagnosed FeLV, have standards 
for what exactly diagnoses FeLV.  Then set up a dosing protocol, have weekly 
reportings about the subject cats, get diagnostic blood work once a month or 
so, keep records, make charts, and publish in a reputable veterinary medicine 
journal.  If your company is so sure this is a cure for everything that ails 
you, let them put up the money to prove it.  By the way, why isn't Tower Labs 
running scientific studies to prove their claims?

I would love it if something simple like Vitamin C therapy would cure FeLV 
cats.  I have a friend whose favorite cat is dying from that horrible disease 
right now.  She isn't wealthy and like a lot of people could use a cheap cure 
for her beloved pet.  But right now I don't see anything that convinces me 
Vitamin C therapy works any better than anything else out there.

Merlin

 
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 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:24:26 -0500
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 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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 Don't be afraid to push the cat to bowel tolerance if
 giving
 vitamin C orally.  The best type of vitamin C for
 pushing to
 bowel tolerance would be a pure sodium ascorbate powder
 (no
 other vitamins) mixed into the cat's wet food with liver
 powder to help flavor it.  Increase the amount daily
 until
 the cat has loose stool, then back down and try again
 until
 the cat consistently has diarrhea at a certain level. 
 Just
 below that level would be bowel tolerance.  
 
 For those of you who may be concerned about all the
 negative
 propaganda surrounding the use of high levels of vitamin
 C,
 don't be.  It is completely and totally benign and
 nontoxic
 at any level and will not harm your cat.  Cats (and
 dogs)
 make only 40 mg per kilogram of body weight per day,
 whereas
 a mouse makes 275.  Based on this it is easy to see
 why cats
 and dogs succumb to so much viral disease, infection and
 cancer and other animals do not.  The difference in
 the
 amount they make is likely due to the high level of
 domestication of cats and dogs compared to their wild
 ancestors and also the poor quality of food that they are
 reduced to eating.  
 
 Remember to try to spread the dosing out to a couple of
 times a day, as animals usually make vitamin C 24/7 in the
 liver.  Again, do not be afraid to give your cat
 vitamin C
 to bowel tolerance, for you will see the most benefit and
 healing at the highest possible dosing.  Intravenous
 is
 best, followed by subcutaneous or intramuscular
 injections,
 followed by oral.  The Injections sting a little and
 the
 cats are not crazy about them but faster healing will be
 seen with this administration over the oral dosing.
 However, however you can get it into the cat, the key is
 using enough, starting immediately, and being
 consistent.  
 
 
 Sally Snyder Jewell
 Tower 

[Felvtalk] Vitamin C research

[mary (merlin) marshall]

By the way, I am not against vitamin therapy.  I take a handful of vitamins and 
minerals several times a day.  I do think Vitamin C along with other things has 
helped reduce the number and severity of colds I get.  But I don't believe it 
can cure feline leukemia or FIP.  Show me if you can.

Merlin


  

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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[Cougar Clan]

She used lasers, flower essences, and some compounds I don't  
remember.  She uses Standard Process produces and probiotics.  Her  
name is Betty Boswell (E. A. Boswell) and can be reached at  
502.499.9663. I believe she does telephone consultations.  If you  
decide to call her (and if you like) you may tell her Marylyn referred  
you and that she is free to talk about Dixie Louise Doodle's case.

On Dec 13, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Gloria Lane wrote:


What treatment did your alternative vet use?

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On Dec 13, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com  
wrote:


I can't say enough for the alternative vet who has helped me with  
numerous four-legged friends including Dixie who was FeLV+.  She  
was fine until a few days before she left this world and I, too,  
believe the alternative treatment helped her leave this world more  
peacefully. If you have an alternative vet in the area, please  
try her.

On Dec 13, 2009, at 5:03 PM, janine paton wrote:

Took in an FIV cat with very bad stomatitis.  I'd never seen a  
huge, emaciated cat try to eat but run backwards growling and  
screaming and pawing at his face, and boy, was I afraid of him!   
Vet pulled teeth, was reluctant at first to use steroid because of  
FIV status but after a month, very bad flare-up so vet wanted to  
try steroid.  I found an excellent homeopath instead and Kohl did  
very well for 2 years with this (rather intensive treatment) and a  
raw diet.  He was actually physically and mentally excellent until  
we noticed a swelling that was dx as an oral cancer, but even his  
ending was helped with the homeopathy and he did well until the  
few days before we opted to have him eithanized.


Janine





From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 5:22:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

I'll have to think - for Stomatitis/gingivitis, I've used
1) pulling the teeth (seems to work well)
2) Oral dexamethasone (some folks have good luck with that - made  
my kitty cough a little but helped somewhat)
3) Monthly Demo (steroid) shot - nice but if it gets too frequent,  
kitty comes down with other things
4) Convenia antibiotic shot, followed by oral Axithromycin as  
needed (worked pretty well)


There's another oral med that I've tried but can't remember the  
name right now, have to look it up.  It was pretty good.  I'm sure  
there are some other options.  As I understand, Stomatitis can be  
called by several different things...


Best of luck,

Gloria



On Dec 13, 2009, at 3:54 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad  
stomatitis. We had his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and  
after a few weeks of antibiotics post-dental surgery he was doing  
much much better-- eating a lot more, gained 3 pounds in 3 weeks,  
not seeming to have any mouth pain and the redness was all gone.  
We stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin then  
switched to clavamox) and he remained ok for  a few days. He then  
went to a potential adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week  
later she called for us to get him back, largely because his  
mouth got really bad again. He is back on Clavamox, and has been  
for a few days, but is growling when he eats and can only eat wet  
food that we break up into very small pieces. His gums are very  
inflamed again. I had 6 FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none had  
stomatitis like this. For those of you whose cats have it or had  
it, what do you recommend?


thanks,
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[Felvtalk] Anyone Near Harrisburg Or Philadelphia?

[Crystal Proper]

I know this is a long shot, but I got two FeLV+ stray cats on the waiting list 
for a cat sanctuary near Harrisburg.  She said she could probably take them in 
Jan or Feb.  My problem is I need someone to take care of them until they can 
go there.  The male got fixed today and female will be fixed tomorrow.  I will 
drive them to you (I live 5-6 hours away) but I really need someone able to 
house them until they can in.  I already have 8 cats (2 FeLV+) and a baby 
coming Feb 6th so I cannot afford this.  I would love to be able to bring them 
to you to temp house at the end of this week.  Please help.  Thanks.


  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vitamin C research

[dlgegg]

  C and colds is a sure thing if i get it started in time.  3 hours tops and 
the cold sysmtoms are gone.  May not cure felv, but it could help boost the 
immune system.  i did vitamins (27 - 3 times a day) while on chemo and i know 
it kept me feeling better during that time.  that and prayer got me into 
remission.  chemo's did no good at all per my oncologist.

 mary (merlin) marshall merlinmarsh...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 By the way, I am not against vitamin therapy.  I take a handful of vitamins 
 and minerals several times a day.  I do think Vitamin C along with other 
 things has helped reduce the number and severity of colds I get.  But I don't 
 believe it can cure feline leukemia or FIP.  Show me if you can.
 
 Merlin
 
 
   
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell

[S. Jewell]

Merlin, 

Indeed in the interest of self-disclosure, in all of my
posts anyone could have seen from my sign-off at any time
that I work with Tower Laboratories, a nutriceutical
manufacturer whose Pauling therapy vitamin C/lysine protocol
has been saving lives from heart disease for the past 14
years.  I have made no attempt to hide that fact, though
perhaps doing so might have made me seem more like one of
you and less like I was trying to sell you something.
However, despite what I do to support my family and my
rescue, I am certainly not paid to spend time posting here
about the successes I have seen with intravenous ascorbate
in my cat rescue and answering e-mail questions gratis after
my 12-hour work days in an effort to help others save
animals.  My company does not even sell vitamin C for
animals and I have never once offered to sell anything to
anyone here, so to accuse me of selling snake oil and
preying on people's love of their pets borders on libel.
There is no ulterior sales motive here - I am simply
trying to help.  I am also, as you accurately point out, a
published contributing author, and if memory serves, this is
the first time I have ever been publicly chastised for
sharing information in the interest of helping animals.
Perhaps it is really true that people do not value the
things they get for free.  

I first posted my experience with vitamin C here because I
love animals and people and want to see these cats have a
chance of survival and yes, help their owners to have hope
where there would otherwise seem none.  It would have been
self-serving not to, or to disseminate the information for
profit, as many might have.  After all, there aren't many
options for saving these cats and it seemed to me that some
might actually appreciate and find my experience useful.  I
truly did not expect such a firestorm of skepticism and
negativity and I am beginning to regret my initial decision
to share at all, though thankfully there have been some to
embrace and implement what I have shared, and for them and
hopefully many others to follow in our footsteps, it was
worth it.

The fact that I work in this field affords me knowledge that
others may not have - others who are still looking for some
of the answers that I have been fortunate enough to
discover.  I have shared in honesty and with a caring heart
and now the information is out there for those who would
like to try vitamin C in all forms for their animals.  I
have not made claims that it will work positively to cure
FeLV cats in all cases but have very specifically stated
that I don't know what the response would be for cats that
are well into the disease process with bone marrow
involvement, though I sure intend to find out once we
recover from the financial burden of the last three sick
cats and their treatments.  With the alternative being
certain death, my question is, What compassionate, thinking
pet owner would deny an animal a chance at life because he
or she did not believe that something would work?  My vet
has now done three clinical trials with three successful
outcomes.  Had I been skeptical and waited for published
clinical trials, all three cats would now be dead.  

I lost a kitten in November to FIP because we did not use
the correct IV ascorbate protocol and because he was perhaps
too far into the disease process to be brought back.  Do I
wish that I had never discovered or used the vitamin C
protocol because my heart was crushed over the loss of him?
Of course not, for because of what I learned with him we
were successful in saving his sister.  Every day she is a
living reminder that his death was not in vain, and I will
never stop trying to save the ones I can with this protocol
because I know it works and it's really all I have.  It
seemed logical to me that others would appreciate the
opportunity to hear of and try this for the animals they
love as well, regardless of where or who it came from.
Waiting for conventional medicine to understand or embrace
this science is costing animals (and humans) their lives but
nothing says that their owners and caregivers cannot. 

We are not talking about an ordinary vitamin as most have
come to consider vitamin C.  The majority of the world's
population has no clue about how far-reaching and powerful
ascorbic acid truly is for destroying viral and bacterial
infections and also reversing heart disease, and how very
critical this substance is to human and animal life.  While
it is tremendously helpful with the common cold virus, this
is quite honestly the least of the diseases it can cure.
However, the low U.S. RDA for vitamin C is killing human
beings one by one, and because our domesticated cats and
dogs make too little vitamin C and get little to none in
their food, it is also killing them.  We owe it to them to
become educated about this and take action.  

Clinical trials cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and
though NIH funding continues on a broad scale for other less
serious 

Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell

[S. Jewell]

Merlin, 

Indeed in the interest of self-disclosure, in all of my
posts anyone could have seen from my sign-off at any time
that I work with Tower Laboratories, a nutriceutical
manufacturer whose Pauling therapy vitamin C/lysine protocol
has been saving lives from heart disease for the past 14
years.  I have made no attempt to hide that fact, though
perhaps doing so might have made me seem more like one of
you and less like I was trying to sell you something.
However, despite what I do to support my family and my
rescue, I am certainly not paid to spend time posting here
about the successes I have seen with intravenous ascorbate
in my cat rescue and answering e-mail questions gratis after
my 12-hour work days in an effort to help others save
animals.  My company does not even sell vitamin C for
animals and I have never once offered to sell anything to
anyone here, so to accuse me of selling snake oil and
preying on people's love of their pets borders on libel.
There is no ulterior sales motive here - I am simply
trying to help.  I am also, as you accurately point out, a
published contributing author, and if memory serves, this is
the first time I have ever been publicly chastised for
sharing information in the interest of helping animals.
Perhaps it is really true that people do not value the
things they get for free.  

I first posted my experience with vitamin C here because I
love animals and people and want to see these cats have a
chance of survival and yes, help their owners to have hope
where there would otherwise seem none.  It would have been
self-serving not to, or to disseminate the information for
profit, as many might have.  After all, there aren't many
options for saving these cats and it seemed to me that some
might actually appreciate and find my experience useful.  I
truly did not expect such a firestorm of skepticism and
negativity and I am beginning to regret my initial decision
to share at all, though thankfully there have been some to
embrace and implement what I have shared, and for them and
hopefully many others to follow in our footsteps, it was
worth it.

The fact that I work in this field affords me knowledge that
others may not have - others who are still looking for some
of the answers that I have been fortunate enough to
discover.  I have shared in honesty and with a caring heart
and now the information is out there for those who would
like to try vitamin C in all forms for their animals.  I
have not made claims that it will work positively to cure
FeLV cats in all cases but have very specifically stated
that I don't know what the response would be for cats that
are well into the disease process with bone marrow
involvement, though I sure intend to find out once we
recover from the financial burden of the last three sick
cats and their treatments.  With the alternative being
certain death, my question is, What compassionate, thinking
pet owner would deny an animal a chance at life because he
or she did not believe that something would work?  My vet
has now done three clinical trials with three successful
outcomes.  Had I been skeptical and waited for published
clinical trials, all three cats would now be dead.  

I lost a kitten in November to FIP because we did not use
the correct IV ascorbate protocol and because he was perhaps
too far into the disease process to be brought back.  Do I
wish that I had never discovered or used the vitamin C
protocol because my heart was crushed over the loss of him?
Of course not, for because of what I learned with him we
were successful in saving his sister.  Every day she is a
living reminder that his death was not in vain, and I will
never stop trying to save the ones I can with this protocol
because I know it works and it's really all I have.  It
seemed logical to me that others would appreciate the
opportunity to hear of and try this for the animals they
love as well, regardless of where or who it came from.
Waiting for conventional medicine to understand or embrace
this science is costing animals (and humans) their lives but
nothing says that their owners and caregivers cannot. 

We are not talking about an ordinary vitamin as most have
come to consider vitamin C.  The majority of the world's
population has no clue about how far-reaching and powerful
ascorbic acid truly is for destroying viral and bacterial
infections and also reversing heart disease, and how very
critical this substance is to human and animal life.  While
it is tremendously helpful with the common cold virus, this
is quite honestly the least of the diseases it can cure.
However, the low U.S. RDA for vitamin C is killing human
beings one by one, and because our domesticated cats and
dogs make too little vitamin C and get little to none in
their food, it is also killing them.  We owe it to them to
become educated about this and take action.  

Clinical trials cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and
though NIH funding continues on a broad scale for other less
serious