Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
Did you know that there's screening available that is pet'proof? Our cats climb the screens, and we will replace them with the special ones. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but... I guess I am trying to say you can hold them inside a lot longer than estimated. I've had them in for 3-4 months. The thing is to build a relationship with them during that period. They see you with the food. I handle all the dry food with my hands so there is my odor. Etc. I like Feliway when they are in confined. Because she won't be released into a known area, developing that relationship is very important. Frankly, I have been very concerned moving or traveling with cats but have been successful in both several times. Ebony, a feral--ok all my guys/gals have been feral--went out on a leash for cats for a long time when we moved so he could learn where he was. The leash got longer and longer and...but he knew where he was. The boys I have now travel around in a carriage so they get a sense of home--it has paid off when ..left a door unlocked and Copper took unauthorized walk-abouts. Now they are familiar with lots of scents on the farm...they go for mile walks when the weather permits. All of this is to say that, with a lot of love and patience, you can do this. Frankly, I like the enclosed area. I did this for Ebony and Mi Tu then repeated it on the farm for Dixie. Now I want to replact it for the boys by way of a screened in porch...and a reenforced screened area for the ones I will bring over if Mom leaves this world before they do..care is a lifetime commitment. On Aug 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Natalie wrote: The one concern is that Hemy is NOT being released in her own territory and if she doesn't get used to Bonnie and her yard, may start searching for the old area. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but... On that, I have had a few ferals that were held inside after vet treatment for various reasons: weather (very hot or cold etc), dangers (size and age of cat and the presents of packs of dogs, hawks etc) healing time + adjust time (they were returning to their own group), and just because of numerous other concerns. None of them have ever forgotten their nature. These ferals live at my Mom's but I am the primary servant. Mom's concerns have to be addressed. This is my experience only. On Aug 11, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
Have you tried playing with her? I always collect goose feathers when they molt and tape on or two to the end of a long stick and use it to stroke feral cats. At first, they hiss and swat at the feather (depending on their socialization and tolerance), and eventually, they enjoy it...I stroke them along the side of the face at first, then top of the head and back toward the tail. I have a very good short article on phases of touching, when you eventually get to that point. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma Thanks, Gloria. I guess regular vets don't clip the ear because people would freak out about how their cat looks. Forgotten Felines, our local TNR organization (filled with Angels, by the way) did clip her ear. She's now on my porch (we're having a cool summer, oddly enough) and seems okay. I am beginning to really like her. Tonight I sat out in the beautiful, nearly full moon evening, drinking a beer and singing to her (I make up a song for all my cats -- this one was about how Hemy had a hard life but came through alright anyway and now things are better). I'll feel better is she won't shun me -- right now she turns her back on me or hisses, letting me know just how mad she is about this whole thing. Poor darling! Tonight I tried to buy her love with canned food. We'll see how that goes! ~B. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a couple of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and hopefully stay around. Course this depends on your having the right weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc. You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who will do the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns where home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered, unfortunately. Good luck with your kitty - Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
Try spraying Feliway on you. It worked with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt. On Aug 13, 2011, at 12:21 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Thanks, Gloria. I guess regular vets don't clip the ear because people would freak out about how their cat looks. Forgotten Felines, our local TNR organization (filled with Angels, by the way) did clip her ear. She's now on my porch (we're having a cool summer, oddly enough) and seems okay. I am beginning to really like her. Tonight I sat out in the beautiful, nearly full moon evening, drinking a beer and singing to her (I make up a song for all my cats -- this one was about how Hemy had a hard life but came through alright anyway and now things are better). I'll feel better is she won't shun me -- right now she turns her back on me or hisses, letting me know just how mad she is about this whole thing. Poor darling! Tonight I tried to buy her love with canned food. We'll see how that goes! ~B. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a couple of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and hopefully stay around. Course this depends on your having the right weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc. You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who will do the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns where home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered, unfortunately. Good luck with your kitty - Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
I used chain link since a major goal was to protect the cats. I suspect I will use chicken wire to make a screened in porch here. The bugs don't bother me nearly as much as the thoughts of something harmful getting on the porch to be. On Aug 13, 2011, at 2:02 AM, Natalie wrote: Did you know that there’s screening available that is “pet’proof”? Our cats climb the screens, and we will replace them with the special ones. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but... I guess I am trying to say you can hold them inside a lot longer than estimated. I've had them in for 3-4 months. The thing is to build a relationship with them during that period. They see you with the food. I handle all the dry food with my hands so there is my odor. Etc. I like Feliway when they are in confined. Because she won't be released into a known area, developing that relationship is very important. Frankly, I have been very concerned moving or traveling with cats but have been successful in both several times. Ebony, a feral--ok all my guys/gals have been feral--went out on a leash for cats for a long time when we moved so he could learn where he was. The leash got longer and longer and...but he knew where he was. The boys I have now travel around in a carriage so they get a sense of home-- it has paid off when ..left a door unlocked and Copper took unauthorized walk-abouts. Now they are familiar with lots of scents on the farm...they go for mile walks when the weather permits. All of this is to say that, with a lot of love and patience, you can do this. Frankly, I like the enclosed area. I did this for Ebony and Mi Tu then repeated it on the farm for Dixie. Now I want to replact it for the boys by way of a screened in porch...and a reenforced screened area for the ones I will bring over if Mom leaves this world before they do..care is a lifetime commitment. On Aug 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Natalie wrote: The one concern is that Hemy is NOT being released in her own territory and if she doesn’t get used to Bonnie and her yard, may start searching for the old area. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but... On that, I have had a few ferals that were held inside after vet treatment for various reasons: weather (very hot or cold etc), dangers (size and age of cat and the presents of packs of dogs, hawks etc) healing time + adjust time (they were returning to their own group), and just because of numerous other concerns. None of them have ever forgotten their nature. These ferals live at my Mom's but I am the primary servant. Mom's concerns have to be addressed. This is my experience only. On Aug 11, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
Also might consider leaving a radio on (low volume please) or a tape recording of your voice. On Aug 13, 2011, at 2:18 AM, Natalie wrote: Have you tried playing with her? I always collect goose feathers when they molt and tape on or two to the end of a long stick and use it to stroke feral cats. At first, they hiss and swat at the feather (depending on their socialization and tolerance), and eventually, they enjoy it...I stroke them along the side of the face at first, then top of the head and back toward the tail. I have a very good short article on phases of touching, when you eventually get to that point. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma Thanks, Gloria. I guess regular vets don't clip the ear because people would freak out about how their cat looks. Forgotten Felines, our local TNR organization (filled with Angels, by the way) did clip her ear. She's now on my porch (we're having a cool summer, oddly enough) and seems okay. I am beginning to really like her. Tonight I sat out in the beautiful, nearly full moon evening, drinking a beer and singing to her (I make up a song for all my cats -- this one was about how Hemy had a hard life but came through alright anyway and now things are better). I'll feel better is she won't shun me -- right now she turns her back on me or hisses, letting me know just how mad she is about this whole thing. Poor darling! Tonight I tried to buy her love with canned food. We'll see how that goes! ~B. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a couple of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and hopefully stay around. Course this depends on your having the right weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc. You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who will do the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns where home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered, unfortunately. Good luck with your kitty - Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
Sounds like a good start! Are you doing the eye contact stuff -- not staring, doing the slow blink etc.? The future enclosure sounds like a great idea. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma Thanks, Gloria. I guess regular vets don't clip the ear because people would freak out about how their cat looks. Forgotten Felines, our local TNR organization (filled with Angels, by the way) did clip her ear. She's now on my porch (we're having a cool summer, oddly enough) and seems okay. I am beginning to really like her. Tonight I sat out in the beautiful, nearly full moon evening, drinking a beer and singing to her (I make up a song for all my cats -- this one was about how Hemy had a hard life but came through alright anyway and now things are better). I'll feel better is she won't shun me -- right now she turns her back on me or hisses, letting me know just how mad she is about this whole thing. Poor darling! Tonight I tried to buy her love with canned food. We'll see how that goes! ~B. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a couple of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and hopefully stay around. Course this depends on your having the right weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc. You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who will do the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns where home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered, unfortunately. Good luck with your kitty - Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
Dont use chicken wire, it goes to pot very soon. Use ¼ or ½ hardware cloth, or even turkey-wire much more sturdy and you dont look like youre sitting in a chicken coop. Then you can staple or nail screening on the outside and not be bothered with flies/mosquitoes! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:07 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but... I used chain link since a major goal was to protect the cats. I suspect I will use chicken wire to make a screened in porch here. The bugs don't bother me nearly as much as the thoughts of something harmful getting on the porch to be. On Aug 13, 2011, at 2:02 AM, Natalie wrote: Did you know that theres screening available that is petproof? Our cats climb the screens, and we will replace them with the special ones. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but... I guess I am trying to say you can hold them inside a lot longer than estimated. I've had them in for 3-4 months. The thing is to build a relationship with them during that period. They see you with the food. I handle all the dry food with my hands so there is my odor. Etc. I like Feliway when they are in confined. Because she won't be released into a known area, developing that relationship is very important. Frankly, I have been very concerned moving or traveling with cats but have been successful in both several times. Ebony, a feral--ok all my guys/gals have been feral--went out on a leash for cats for a long time when we moved so he could learn where he was. The leash got longer and longer and...but he knew where he was. The boys I have now travel around in a carriage so they get a sense of home--it has paid off when ..left a door unlocked and Copper took unauthorized walk-abouts. Now they are familiar with lots of scents on the farm...they go for mile walks when the weather permits. All of this is to say that, with a lot of love and patience, you can do this. Frankly, I like the enclosed area. I did this for Ebony and Mi Tu then repeated it on the farm for Dixie. Now I want to replact it for the boys by way of a screened in porch...and a reenforced screened area for the ones I will bring over if Mom leaves this world before they do..care is a lifetime commitment. On Aug 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Natalie wrote: The one concern is that Hemy is NOT being released in her own territory and if she doesnt get used to Bonnie and her yard, may start searching for the old area. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but... On that, I have had a few ferals that were held inside after vet treatment for various reasons: weather (very hot or cold etc), dangers (size and age of cat and the presents of packs of dogs, hawks etc) healing time + adjust time (they were returning to their own group), and just because of numerous other concerns. None of them have ever forgotten their nature. These ferals live at my Mom's but I am the primary servant. Mom's concerns have to be addressed. This is my experience only. On Aug 11, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Screen
On 08-13, Natalie wrote: Did you know that there's screening available that is pet'proof? Our cats climb the screens, and we will replace them with the special ones. Lowes had PET SCREEN. It is much heavier than regular screen, and our porch is screened with it. Great stuff, none of my 15 cats have torn it. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feathers or a brush
I use feathers or a long handled bath brush to win over a shy or feral cat. I've had them simply melt at the touch, and soon become very affectionate. Lorrie On 08-13, Natalie wrote: Have you tried playing with her? I always collect goose feathers when they molt and tape on or two to the end of a long stick and use it to stroke feral cats. At first, they hiss and swat at the feather (depending on their socialization and tolerance), and eventually, they enjoy it...I stroke them along the side of the face at first, then top of the head and back toward the tail. I have a very good short article on phases of touching, when you eventually get to that point. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
Well clipping the ear is for ferals, so not for domestics that folks are taking constant care of. Regular vets prob don't deal w that much. There are only certain vets that we can take ferals to, others won't deal with them. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: Sounds like a good start! Are you doing the eye contact stuff -- not staring, doing the slow blink etc.? The future enclosure sounds like a great idea. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma Thanks, Gloria. I guess regular vets don't clip the ear because people would freak out about how their cat looks. Forgotten Felines, our local TNR organization (filled with Angels, by the way) did clip her ear. She's now on my porch (we're having a cool summer, oddly enough) and seems okay. I am beginning to really like her. Tonight I sat out in the beautiful, nearly full moon evening, drinking a beer and singing to her (I make up a song for all my cats -- this one was about how Hemy had a hard life but came through alright anyway and now things are better). I'll feel better is she won't shun me -- right now she turns her back on me or hisses, letting me know just how mad she is about this whole thing. Poor darling! Tonight I tried to buy her love with canned food. We'll see how that goes! ~B. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a couple of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and hopefully stay around. Course this depends on your having the right weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc. You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who will do the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns where home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered, unfortunately. Good luck with your kitty - Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds
When my cat Oreo ( a stray we took in without testing...stupid...I know!) got diagnosed with felv I completely freaked out! She had been living among our other 7 indoor cats for over a year! Played, groomed and sometimes got into fights. Even the vet expected that at least 2 or 3 others would test positive. All 7 cats are negative to this day! Speaking of miracles! On Aug 12, 2011 10:31 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: I just do not believe that FELV is that contagious. We know FIV isn't that contagious except thru deep bite wounds. I kind of think it's the same thing with FELV. I've had the same thing happen - had a kitty die, had a necropsy, and she had FELV/FIV. None of the other cats got it. I knew she was FIV, but didn't know about the FELV. Lived several years with those cats. Gloria dlgegg at windstream.net dlgegg at windstream.net Fri Aug 12 17:04:43 CDT 2011 Maybe his immune system had improved since he first got FIV so he was abl to ward off the felv. Natalie atia2 at optonline.net wrote: That's one for the booksamazing! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-bounces at felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of molveywda at hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 8:33 PM To: felvtalk at felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds Check this out - I have an FIV positive cat living with me. He's an older gentleman that I took in a couple of years ago. In March a two year old cat of mine died and that's when we discovered she had FeLV. She tested negative as a kitten. She and my FIV positive kitty lived together sharing food and water bowls and everything. I think he used to groom her too when she was a kitten. I had him, the FIV kitty, combo tested yesterday. Can you believe that booger is negative for FeLV? Talk about defying the odds. Doesn't make sense that an immune compromised kitty did not contract the disease. You can't predict anything regarding this disease. I just assumed he had gotten it from her. Just wanted to share my good but very confusing news. sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC ___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
We have one cat from NJ that has a tiny earring at the base of the ear, and
another cat from NY that has a tattoo ('04) inside the ear, when he was
neutered.
-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 10:08 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
Well clipping the ear is for ferals, so not for domestics that folks are
taking constant care of. Regular vets prob don't deal w that much. There are
only certain vets that we can take ferals to, others won't deal with them.
Gloria
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 13, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
wrote:
Sounds like a good start! Are you doing the eye contact stuff -- not
staring, doing the slow blink etc.? The future enclosure sounds like a
great idea.
Diane R.
-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
Thanks, Gloria.
I guess regular vets don't clip the ear because people would freak out
about how their cat looks. Forgotten Felines, our local TNR organization
(filled with Angels, by the way) did clip her ear.
She's now on my porch (we're having a cool summer, oddly enough) and seems
okay. I am beginning to really like her. Tonight I sat out in the
beautiful, nearly full moon evening, drinking a beer and singing to her (I
make up a song for all my cats -- this one was about how Hemy had a hard
life but came through alright anyway and now things are better). I'll
feel
better is she won't shun me -- right now she turns her back on me or
hisses, letting me know just how mad she is about this whole thing. Poor
darling! Tonight I tried to buy her love with canned food. We'll see how
that goes!
~B.
-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a couple
of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and
hopefully stay around. Course this depends on your having the right
weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc.
You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who will do
the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns where
home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered,
unfortunately.
Good luck with your kitty -
Gloria
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
I like the ideaof a tattoo in the ear. What does it say? How would one know
the cat has been spayed/neuterd and when? Does it give name of owner or vet?
Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
We have one cat from NJ that has a tiny earring at the base of the ear, and
another cat from NY that has a tattoo ('04) inside the ear, when he was
neutered.
-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 10:08 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Well clipping the ear is for ferals, so not for domestics that folks are
taking constant care of. Regular vets prob don't deal w that much. There are
only certain vets that we can take ferals to, others won't deal with them.
Gloria
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On Aug 13, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
wrote:
Sounds like a good start! Are you doing the eye contact stuff -- not
staring, doing the slow blink etc.? The future enclosure sounds like a
great idea.
Diane R.
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
Thanks, Gloria.
I guess regular vets don't clip the ear because people would freak out
about how their cat looks. Forgotten Felines, our local TNR organization
(filled with Angels, by the way) did clip her ear.
She's now on my porch (we're having a cool summer, oddly enough) and seems
okay. I am beginning to really like her. Tonight I sat out in the
beautiful, nearly full moon evening, drinking a beer and singing to her (I
make up a song for all my cats -- this one was about how Hemy had a hard
life but came through alright anyway and now things are better). I'll
feel
better is she won't shun me -- right now she turns her back on me or
hisses, letting me know just how mad she is about this whole thing. Poor
darling! Tonight I tried to buy her love with canned food. We'll see how
that goes!
~B.
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a couple
of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and
hopefully stay around. Course this depends on your having the right
weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc.
You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who will do
the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns where
home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered,
unfortunately.
Good luck with your kitty -
Gloria
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
The mention of pet screening sent me searching. Did you know Pfifer als makes a no seeum screen. Those monsters make huge welts on me. Now the question is: do I need pet screen and no seeum to make a comfortable place for myself and the cats? I was going to use 1/4 wire cloth, but if pet screen keeps all the bad guys out, then all I need is bug protection. Would probably look nicer too. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Dont use chicken wire, it goes to pot very soon. Use ¼ or ½ hardware cloth, or even turkey-wire much more sturdy and you dont look like youre sitting in a chicken coop. Then you can staple or nail screening on the outside and not be bothered with flies/mosquitoes! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:07 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but... I used chain link since a major goal was to protect the cats. I suspect I will use chicken wire to make a screened in porch here. The bugs don't bother me nearly as much as the thoughts of something harmful getting on the porch to be. On Aug 13, 2011, at 2:02 AM, Natalie wrote: Did you know that theres screening available that is petproof? Our cats climb the screens, and we will replace them with the special ones. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but... I guess I am trying to say you can hold them inside a lot longer than estimated. I've had them in for 3-4 months. The thing is to build a relationship with them during that period. They see you with the food. I handle all the dry food with my hands so there is my odor. Etc. I like Feliway when they are in confined. Because she won't be released into a known area, developing that relationship is very important. Frankly, I have been very concerned moving or traveling with cats but have been successful in both several times. Ebony, a feral--ok all my guys/gals have been feral--went out on a leash for cats for a long time when we moved so he could learn where he was. The leash got longer and longer and...but he knew where he was. The boys I have now travel around in a carriage so they get a sense of home--it has paid off when ..left a door unlocked and Copper took unauthorized walk-abouts. Now they are familiar with lots of scents on the farm...they go for mile walks when the weather permits. All of this is to say that, with a lot of love and patience, you can do this. Frankly, I like the enclosed area. I did this for Ebony and Mi Tu then repeated it on the farm for Dixie. Now I want to replact it for the boys by way of a screened in porch...and a reenforced screened area for the ones I will bring over if Mom leaves this world before they do..care is a lifetime commitment. On Aug 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Natalie wrote: The one concern is that Hemy is NOT being released in her own territory and if she doesnt get used to Bonnie and her yard, may start searching for the old area. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but... On that, I have had a few ferals that were held inside after vet treatment for various reasons: weather (very hot or cold etc), dangers (size and age of cat and the presents of packs of dogs, hawks etc) healing time + adjust time (they were returning to their own group), and just because of numerous other concerns. None of them have ever forgotten their nature. These ferals live at my Mom's but I am the primary servant. Mom's concerns have to be addressed. This is my experience only. On Aug 11, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feathers or a brush
Wow, what a terrific idea! I just put more bedding in with Hemy because she looks cold. She hissed, of course. I left my hand in there a minute, wondering if I should try to touch her. She didn't go for me, but I thought better of it. This might be an idea to build a bridge! ~B. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 6:16 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feathers or a brush I use feathers or a long handled bath brush to win over a shy or feral cat. I've had them simply melt at the touch, and soon become very affectionate. Lorrie On 08-13, Natalie wrote: Have you tried playing with her? I always collect goose feathers when they molt and tape on or two to the end of a long stick and use it to stroke feral cats. At first, they hiss and swat at the feather (depending on their socialization and tolerance), and eventually, they enjoy it...I stroke them along the side of the face at first, then top of the head and back toward the tail. I have a very good short article on phases of touching, when you eventually get to that point. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
