Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

[Marcia Baronda]

I think it's just the panleukopenia vaccine that is grown on the kidney cells, 
I'll have to double check.
Don't u think they would find another way?

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On Aug 26, 2011, at 12:08 AM, Beth Noren  wrote:

> Hi Marcia,
>  Glad to hear Fletch is looking better!  After what I went through
> with Alice (trapped at 6weeks, lost to wet FIP at 12 weeks), I'd leave
> him on it for awhile even after he seems ok, just to be sure.  I am on
> the FIP list too, as hard as the FeLV stories are, FIP is even worse!
> I only got to know Alice for 6 weeks, but I was able to enjoy her FeLV
> positive brother Will Feral for 3.5 years, and at least see him grow
> into adulthood.  I still miss them both.
>  I also do vaccinations every 3 years on my adult cats, but I wait
> until kittens are a little older now and do just one thing at a time,
> even though it means lots more visits.  And I will never again
> vaccinate anyone so soon after they have "recovered" from an illness.
> Guess the most important thing I've learned from these lists that
> it's ok to question my vet and sometimes say "no", instead of just
> blindly trusting them like I did with Alice...
>   I haven't had to deal with CRF yet (knock on wood).  That is
> interesting about the kidneys, I hadn't heard that before.  I wonder
> if I am stressing their kidneys out more by spreading out the
> vaccines?  Hmmm, all such a balancing act!  I do get yearly complete
> blood panels done on two of the surviving siblings of Will and Alice.
> They are both FeLV neg, but have severe food/environmental allergies.
> I think their immune systems just went on overdrive fighting FeLV and
> could never slow down.  Wish the science on all of these diseases
> would move forward faster.  Sigh.
> 
> Hoping to hear of Fletch's continued improvement,
> Head bumps from Beth N., Blue, Moxie, Dash, and Scooter (Alice and Will's 
> sibs)
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Marcia Baronda
>  wrote:
>> Hi Beth
>> How are you? Dr chrisler said to keep him on it for 3 weeks, and then when I
>> took the others in for testing, i saw Dr metzger. We were discussing Fletch
>> and she mentioned that he could stay on it indefinitely if need be. But, I
>> think I'm seeing some improvement today. His coat looks much better and he
>> actually trotted across the floor today(-: yes, I saw a little bounce to his
>> step. Warmed my heart!
>> I'm with you, i  vaccinate my cats, mainly because of panleukopenia, but I
>> think it definitely drops their immune system. I also had a cat die from
>> FIP. I loved her so so much and it broke my heart to lose her. Her name was
>> Yogi and she was a botle baby. I immediately got on the FIP list. I was on
>> it for a couple years and learned a lot from them, just like i am learning a
>> lot from all of you(-;
>> Tjis last year my daughter lost her 15 year old cat to CRF. We researched
>> together to learn all we could. I think the most important thing i learned
>> was that feline vaccine is grown on feline kidney cells and causes an
>> imflammatory response on the kidneys everytime they are vaccinated, They
>> think this could help lead to CRF. So vaccinating ccan be overdone, once
>> every 3 yrs is enough and maybe too much!
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

[Marcia Baronda]

Yes, I really spent a lot of time bawling my eyes out when I was on that list. 
Tell me, is pat klien still on there? Now, That is one very smart woman. I 
tried to email her not long ago and did not get a response.
Love the name, Will Feral...LOL,
What do u mean Alice was trapped at 6 weeks?

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On Aug 26, 2011, at 12:08 AM, Beth Noren  wrote:

> Hi Marcia,
>  Glad to hear Fletch is looking better!  After what I went through
> with Alice (trapped at 6weeks, lost to wet FIP at 12 weeks), I'd leave
> him on it for awhile even after he seems ok, just to be sure.  I am on
> the FIP list too, as hard as the FeLV stories are, FIP is even worse!
> I only got to know Alice for 6 weeks, but I was able to enjoy her FeLV
> positive brother Will Feral for 3.5 years, and at least see him grow
> into adulthood.  I still miss them both.
>  I also do vaccinations every 3 years on my adult cats, but I wait
> until kittens are a little older now and do just one thing at a time,
> even though it means lots more visits.  And I will never again
> vaccinate anyone so soon after they have "recovered" from an illness.
> Guess the most important thing I've learned from these lists that
> it's ok to question my vet and sometimes say "no", instead of just
> blindly trusting them like I did with Alice...
>   I haven't had to deal with CRF yet (knock on wood).  That is
> interesting about the kidneys, I hadn't heard that before.  I wonder
> if I am stressing their kidneys out more by spreading out the
> vaccines?  Hmmm, all such a balancing act!  I do get yearly complete
> blood panels done on two of the surviving siblings of Will and Alice.
> They are both FeLV neg, but have severe food/environmental allergies.
> I think their immune systems just went on overdrive fighting FeLV and
> could never slow down.  Wish the science on all of these diseases
> would move forward faster.  Sigh.
> 
> Hoping to hear of Fletch's continued improvement,
> Head bumps from Beth N., Blue, Moxie, Dash, and Scooter (Alice and Will's 
> sibs)
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Marcia Baronda
>  wrote:
>> Hi Beth
>> How are you? Dr chrisler said to keep him on it for 3 weeks, and then when I
>> took the others in for testing, i saw Dr metzger. We were discussing Fletch
>> and she mentioned that he could stay on it indefinitely if need be. But, I
>> think I'm seeing some improvement today. His coat looks much better and he
>> actually trotted across the floor today(-: yes, I saw a little bounce to his
>> step. Warmed my heart!
>> I'm with you, i  vaccinate my cats, mainly because of panleukopenia, but I
>> think it definitely drops their immune system. I also had a cat die from
>> FIP. I loved her so so much and it broke my heart to lose her. Her name was
>> Yogi and she was a botle baby. I immediately got on the FIP list. I was on
>> it for a couple years and learned a lot from them, just like i am learning a
>> lot from all of you(-;
>> Tjis last year my daughter lost her 15 year old cat to CRF. We researched
>> together to learn all we could. I think the most important thing i learned
>> was that feline vaccine is grown on feline kidney cells and causes an
>> imflammatory response on the kidneys everytime they are vaccinated, They
>> think this could help lead to CRF. So vaccinating ccan be overdone, once
>> every 3 yrs is enough and maybe too much!
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

[Beth Noren]

Hi Marcia,
  Glad to hear Fletch is looking better!  After what I went through
with Alice (trapped at 6weeks, lost to wet FIP at 12 weeks), I'd leave
him on it for awhile even after he seems ok, just to be sure.  I am on
the FIP list too, as hard as the FeLV stories are, FIP is even worse!
I only got to know Alice for 6 weeks, but I was able to enjoy her FeLV
positive brother Will Feral for 3.5 years, and at least see him grow
into adulthood.  I still miss them both.
  I also do vaccinations every 3 years on my adult cats, but I wait
until kittens are a little older now and do just one thing at a time,
even though it means lots more visits.  And I will never again
vaccinate anyone so soon after they have "recovered" from an illness.
Guess the most important thing I've learned from these lists that
it's ok to question my vet and sometimes say "no", instead of just
blindly trusting them like I did with Alice...
   I haven't had to deal with CRF yet (knock on wood).  That is
interesting about the kidneys, I hadn't heard that before.  I wonder
if I am stressing their kidneys out more by spreading out the
vaccines?  Hmmm, all such a balancing act!  I do get yearly complete
blood panels done on two of the surviving siblings of Will and Alice.
They are both FeLV neg, but have severe food/environmental allergies.
I think their immune systems just went on overdrive fighting FeLV and
could never slow down.  Wish the science on all of these diseases
would move forward faster.  Sigh.

Hoping to hear of Fletch's continued improvement,
Head bumps from Beth N., Blue, Moxie, Dash, and Scooter (Alice and Will's sibs)



On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Marcia Baronda
 wrote:
> Hi Beth
> How are you? Dr chrisler said to keep him on it for 3 weeks, and then when I
> took the others in for testing, i saw Dr metzger. We were discussing Fletch
> and she mentioned that he could stay on it indefinitely if need be. But, I
> think I'm seeing some improvement today. His coat looks much better and he
> actually trotted across the floor today(-: yes, I saw a little bounce to his
> step. Warmed my heart!
> I'm with you, i  vaccinate my cats, mainly because of panleukopenia, but I
> think it definitely drops their immune system. I also had a cat die from
> FIP. I loved her so so much and it broke my heart to lose her. Her name was
> Yogi and she was a botle baby. I immediately got on the FIP list. I was on
> it for a couple years and learned a lot from them, just like i am learning a
> lot from all of you(-;
> Tjis last year my daughter lost her 15 year old cat to CRF. We researched
> together to learn all we could. I think the most important thing i learned
> was that feline vaccine is grown on feline kidney cells and causes an
> imflammatory response on the kidneys everytime they are vaccinated, They
> think this could help lead to CRF. So vaccinating ccan be overdone, once
> every 3 yrs is enough and maybe too much!
>

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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

[Marcia Baronda]

Hi Beth
How are you? Dr chrisler said to keep him on it for 3 weeks, and then when I
took the others in for testing, i saw Dr metzger. We were discussing Fletch
and she mentioned that he could stay on it indefinitely if need be. But, I
think I'm seeing some improvement today. His coat looks much better and he
actually trotted across the floor today(-: yes, I saw a little bounce to his
step. Warmed my heart!
I'm with you, i  vaccinate my cats, mainly because of panleukopenia, but I
think it definitely drops their immune system. I also had a cat die from
FIP. I loved her so so much and it broke my heart to lose her. Her name was
Yogi and she was a botle baby. I immediately got on the FIP list. I was on
it for a couple years and learned a lot from them, just like i am learning a
lot from all of you(-;
Tjis last year my daughter lost her 15 year old cat to CRF. We researched
together to learn all we could. I think the most important thing i learned
was that feline vaccine is grown on feline kidney cells and causes an
imflammatory response on the kidneys everytime they are vaccinated, They
think this could help lead to CRF. So vaccinating ccan be overdone, once
every 3 yrs is enough and maybe too much!

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Beth Noren  wrote:

> Hi Marcia,
> I know popular opinion is to limit antibiotic use, because it can kill
> the good bacteria in the gut, but in my limited experience I prefer to
> leave immune-compromised kitties on it longer.  I had one little FeLV
> pos kitten with a URI that had a 10 day regimen of Clavamox.  She was
> vaccinated a few days later, as she seemed to have cleared the URI.
> Big mistake, I didn't know any better.  The URI was not cleared, just
> masked by the antibiotic, it came back, lost her to FIP a couple of
> weeks later.  When her positive brother started getting sick soon
> after, he got prednisolone twice for fever and was on clavamox for
> months (5, 6?) just in case.  He never had any bowel problems from it.
>  My vet finally said she couldn't in good conscious keep prescribing
> it for such a healthy cat.  Had I left his sister on it (and not
> vaccinated so young) I feel her immune system may have been less
> exhausted and better able to fight the corona virus that turned into
> FIP and killed her.
>
> Best wishes,
> Beth
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Marcia Baronda
>  wrote:
> > Terri
> ...He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that
> > indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone.
> What
> > are you opinions??
> >
> > Take care everyone
> > Marcia
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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

[Beth Noren]

Hi Marcia,
I know popular opinion is to limit antibiotic use, because it can kill
the good bacteria in the gut, but in my limited experience I prefer to
leave immune-compromised kitties on it longer.  I had one little FeLV
pos kitten with a URI that had a 10 day regimen of Clavamox.  She was
vaccinated a few days later, as she seemed to have cleared the URI.
Big mistake, I didn't know any better.  The URI was not cleared, just
masked by the antibiotic, it came back, lost her to FIP a couple of
weeks later.  When her positive brother started getting sick soon
after, he got prednisolone twice for fever and was on clavamox for
months (5, 6?) just in case.  He never had any bowel problems from it.
 My vet finally said she couldn't in good conscious keep prescribing
it for such a healthy cat.  Had I left his sister on it (and not
vaccinated so young) I feel her immune system may have been less
exhausted and better able to fight the corona virus that turned into
FIP and killed her.

Best wishes,
Beth

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Marcia Baronda
 wrote:
> Terri
...He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that
> indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What
> are you opinions??
>
> Take care everyone
> Marcia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information aboutthe Felv Snap test...PLEASE READ

[Lynda Wilson]

Both, way too young therefore, too early to tell. If the test was a 
positive, you have to give the kitten a chance to clear the virus.  I have 
heard it's harder for a kitten to fight off the virus, but it can be done so 
there is always hope :0)


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Yes but what about a positive IFA test at 10 weeks old... Too young or 
still accurate...?

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

[Maureen Olvey]

They are just called beneficial nematodes and you can get them at some 
nurseries.  I got some at Pike this year.  You can also order them from online. 
 I ordered some from Amazon.  I haven't put those out yet so I can testify to 
them.  I'm a little worried they didn't survive the trip through the mail 
because they have to be kept cool and when I got the order in the mail the ice 
bag was hot so they weren't kept cool the whole time they were in the shipping 
process.  I'm going to put them out this weekend but I'm a little leary.  But 
the first batch I got from Pike Nurseries in late spring worked great.  Man did 
it cut down on the fleas and I didn't have those little black ants coming in 
either.  I think I'll be putting them down every year from now on.

I'm not sure if they work on ticks.  Seems like they would if ticks spend a lot 
of time on the ground.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> From: ho...@sonic.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:15:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
> 
> Wow, now I have to ask...Friendly Nematodes?
> What are they called & where do you get them!
> ~Bonnie
> 
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> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:38 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
> 
> No, we have our property sprayed against ticks, and use friendly nematodes 
> around the house so that we don't have to use flea stuff on the cats.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:28 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
> 
> I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD ONE, BUT I AM SLOW IN RESPONDING SOMETIMES.  
> 
> It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place.  I had been 
> using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff over a 
> river and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I took Homey 
> to vet for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood also.  Vet gave 
> her a long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal self, but 
> they called and said she was loaded with seed ticks.  I check them every time 
> they come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose of tick 
> treament.  I have since found a lot of them on myself, seed and regular 
> ticks.  Anyone else haeing a big problem with them?
> 
>  Cindy McHugh  wrote: 
> > I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for 
> > dogs on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember 
> > watching an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal 
> > Planet where a cat died because someone used a flea product intended 
> > for dogs on it. So
> > *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet 
> > first about adjusting the dosage.
> > 
> > Cindy & Angel Jackpot
> > 
> > From: molvey...@hotmail.com
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> > Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just 
> > discussing it with my feline asthma group.
> > 
> > Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems.  I have a 
> > cat fence up so all my cats go in the backyard.  That is making things 
> > ten times worse.  I've been using Revolution for several years now with no 
> > problems.
> > Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog 
> > size and split it up between the cats.  I don't know if the Revolution 
> > isn't working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for 
> > fleas.  If you say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's just an 
> > especially bad year.
> > Some people in the other group were talking about how sometimes 
> > switching products can help because either the fleas have built up a 
> > tolerance to the current flea meds or maybe the cat's system is 
> > processing the flea stuff differently because they've had it on them 
> > for so long.  Who knows.  If you've been using Advantage maybe you 
> > should try Revolution or Frontline Plus.  I believe Frontline Plus 
> > kills fleas and larvae so it kills and breaks the life cycle so that 
> > might be a good one too.  I hate using all these chemicals on my cats 
> > but there's no way around it for me because I've got so many plus a few 
> > ferals that live here that I can't touch.

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information aboutthe Felv Snap test...PLEASE READ

[ccarlsberg]

Yes but what about a positive IFA test at 10 weeks old... Too young or still 
accurate...?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information about the Felv Snap test...PLEASE READ

[Marcia Baronda]

This makes me wonder. All vets should know about this!! AND all cat owners.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 3:34 PM, SomeWhere Sam  wrote:

>  Forwarded from the Feral Cat Chat list
>
> Somewhere Sam
>
> - Forwarded Message 
> *From:* "ethnedra...@yahoo.com" 
> *To:* Cindy Sikes ; Tess Robinson <
> tessheyw...@gmail.com>; feral-cat-c...@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Thu, August 25, 2011 3:15:53 PM
> *Subject:* [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information about the Felv Snap
> test...PLEASE READ
>
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> --
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> *Date: *Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:15:08 -0400
> *To: *Val Garcia
> *ReplyTo: *dc-res...@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject: *[DC-Rescue] . Some very interesting information about the Felv
> Snap test...PLEASE READ
>
>
>
>  Very very interesting about the Snap test….  I wonder how many have
> unnecessarily put to sleep…
>
>
>  --
>
> I just learned some very interesting information about FELV.  ???  had
> three cats test positive for it, when they knew that it was very unlikely (
> neither the mother nor any of the other kittens in the litter tested
> positive, after repeated tests and they had the mother with them for a while
> before birth. One of the vet volunteers followed up. She had blood drawn at
> Caring Hands Vet and sent to Auburn University College of Veterinary
> medicine Pathology Diagnostic Services , which does some different tests, at
> about $30 cost.
>
> Auburn University College of Veterinary Medicine Pathobiology Diagnostic
> services says that the Idexx SNAP test can cause a positive result because
> some cats have a reaction to the cat serum in the test. They did two other
> tests on all three cats using a blood test called IFA as well as by another
> ELISA test called Symbiotics Viracheck. All three cats tested negative on
> both tests. And they concluded that they had reacted to the serum used in
> the Idexx SNAP test!!
>
> Also we should get the word out that the Idexx tests can cause false
> positives>
>
> The number of the Auburn University facility is 334-844-2690
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Marcia Baronda]

No Kiddingmy thoughts exactly. And I am just learning this, because you
can't find any info like this in any books or on any websites about felv.
All of you have a wealth of info here and a LOT of statistics!!
Just think what that would look like all compiled together.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Christiane Biagi wrote:

>  You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed!
> There are just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results.  Life
> and death decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us who
> have felv+ cats know the tests to be a bit shaky.  My own Tucson tested neg
> at about 3 months & post years later even though she’d never been exposed to
> the outside or any pos cats…..
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>
>   ** **
>
> I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure.
>
>  
>
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org *
> ***
>
>  
>
> ** **
>   --
>
> *From:* Natalie 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>
> Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative.
>
> New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive.  He had
> the IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative!
>
>  
>
> *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>
>  
>
> Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does NOT
> mean they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in their
> bone marrow.
>
>  Beth
>
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org *
> ***
>
>  
>
>  
>   --
>
> *From:* Natalie 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:39 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>
> I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago…couldn’t find anyone to take him, he was very
> lonely.  After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat – they became
> friends overnight.  A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using the
> IFA – they were both negative.  Just imagine, how lucky I was – one of them
> could have been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to FeLV!
> The strange thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was done
> to soon after the positive ELISA.
>
> Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another definitely
> positive cat for company.  Chances are great that kittens of a FeLV+ mother
> will be positive more likely than not.
>
> *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *April Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>
>  
>
> In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female
> (Sunny) from animal control.  Our local shelter was overrun with cats and
> begging people to come adopt.  When we took them to the vets a week after
> being adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested.  I did not
> know when I adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless
> you request it.  Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia.  My vet
> wanted me to put her to sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats.
> I couldn't do it she was only 10 months old.  So I transformed a spare
> bedroom into her home.  She has a cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore.
> I think she is lonely being by herself.  A rescue in my area just posted
> about a mother cat and her juvenile litter of kittens having all just tested
> positive for feline leukemia.  I was thinking of looking for a friend for
> Spicy.  I had talked to a shelter in our area that takes in FELV and FIV
> positive cats.  They recommended not adding because it could make Spicy sick
> or the other cat sick.  Spicy is do next week to get retested for FELV, the
> vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative.  If she is still
> positive  do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? 
>
>  
>
> April 
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Marcia Baronda]

wow...the more I read here the more this disease can be very unpredictable!
But that's great he was negative!

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Natalie  wrote:

>  Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative.
>
> New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive.  He had
> the IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative!
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>
>  ** **
>
> Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does NOT
> mean they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in their
> bone marrow.
>
>  Beth
>
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org *
> ***
>
>  
>
> ** **
>   --
>
> *From:* Natalie 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:39 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>
> I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago…couldn’t find anyone to take him, he was very
> lonely.  After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat – they became
> friends overnight.  A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using the
> IFA – they were both negative.  Just imagine, how lucky I was – one of them
> could have been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to FeLV!
> The strange thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was done
> to soon after the positive ELISA.
>
> Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another definitely
> positive cat for company.  Chances are great that kittens of a FeLV+ mother
> will be positive more likely than not.
>
> *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *April Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>
>  
>
> In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female
> (Sunny) from animal control.  Our local shelter was overrun with cats and
> begging people to come adopt.  When we took them to the vets a week after
> being adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested.  I did not
> know when I adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless
> you request it.  Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia.  My vet
> wanted me to put her to sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats.
> I couldn't do it she was only 10 months old.  So I transformed a spare
> bedroom into her home.  She has a cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore.
> I think she is lonely being by herself.  A rescue in my area just posted
> about a mother cat and her juvenile litter of kittens having all just tested
> positive for feline leukemia.  I was thinking of looking for a friend for
> Spicy.  I had talked to a shelter in our area that takes in FELV and FIV
> positive cats.  They recommended not adding because it could make Spicy sick
> or the other cat sick.  Spicy is do next week to get retested for FELV, the
> vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative.  If she is still
> positive  do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? 
>
>  
>
> April 
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: request for counsel on BreAnne

[Edna Taylor]

have they checked her for an esophageal stricture?  SAME THING happened to 
Momma Kat and they had did the following treatment:
 
"BES is best treated with mechanical dilation using a balloon catheter under 
endoscopic guidance"
 
She has this done three times before it finally "tooK".  When she eats, does 
she hold her head to the side and chew like something is stuck in her mouth or 
throat?

 



From: czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:54:23 +
CC: landis.mcen...@yahoo.com; daben...@mninter.net; kjen...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: request for counsel on BreAnne






update:
 
please review lower string.
 
BreAnne had been eating a breakfast and supper of Fancy Feast Beef pretty much 
exclusively since the May email below  She had gained weight - -was still 
hiding out but present in her life.  For the last several weeks she has been 
laying exclusively on her side and meowing when I would pick her up to move her 
 - - chest contact.  approximately 8.16 seemed like had something 
intermittently caught in her throat.  took her to local vet on 8.20 since more 
highly trusted 30 miles and 60 miles away vets were not available.  he gave us 
_ for hairball and albon.  Monday she started to vomit up food 
immediately after eating.  Since Monday she eats, she vomits, I feed, . . .  
She is increasingly  bringing up frothy phlegm.  she makes a sound in her mouth 
(epiglottis?).  I have been orally hydrating her. She definitely has an 
appetite.  know definitely not passing stool yesterday/doubtful urinated.  gave 
her food this morning, vomit, more food (pate), vomit, nutri-cal, vomit, more 
nutrical, vomit, a couple table spoons of homemade chicken broth with vitamins, 
vomited up stringing clear phlegm.  vet only says feline leukemia.  Monday 
night after the feeding and vomiting episode she was back up on her chest and 
the noise in her throat had subsided. just as it did this morning. I told vet I 
wanted to try a different antibiotic before doing a film.  ampicillin and 
baytril. 
 
she does not seem to be suffering and is active with her tail up. 
 
we trust you more than any vet we have access to.
 
please.  comments.  your experiences?
 
yes, I am willing to let her go very soon. 
thank you.



 
> From: czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; landis.mcen...@yahoo.com
> Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 20:42:06 +
> Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: request for counsel on BreAnne
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> took BreAnne to vet yesterday. chem screen all within normal limits. on CBC: 
> lymphocytes were high. vet said she definitely has leukemia. WBC were 
> 13.2;HCT was 32%; HgB of 9.9; RBC's 6.5 - - all within normal range. 
> platelets are low; neutrophils are low, and Ly (what is that) are high. he 
> said her hydration was good. amoxicillin for 10 days and hope she pulls out 
> of it. he said she had a lot of poop inside. sent me home with an enema. his 
> diagnosis was alopecia and lymphadenopathy - - in her neck and behind her 
> knees. and I know often the growths cannot be felt.
> 
> you encouraged me to hang with her. continuing the supplements. 
> 
> she seems like a lost little soul; eats a few bites and then leaves or 
> doesn't eat at all. will eat in privacy but very, very particular. took the 
> other cats to the country and have taken her out there a couple days. she ran 
> up a tree Friday morning.
> 
> please hang with us. counsel?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 01:45:54 -0500
> > From: dlg...@windstream.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] request for counsel on BreAnne
> > CC: czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com
> > 
> > Has your vet done a complete blood panel on her? You might be able to find 
> > a clue to her problem. Also complete urine test would help. These will help 
> > identify a problem. Since cats are so good at hiding illness, we sometimes 
> > need to go to extemes. It costs, but may be less in the long runsince you 
> > find out fast what is wrong and needs to be done. 
> > As to food, I have found that Gerber's baby food (check first to be sure 
> > there is on onion or garlic in it) is easier to feed and my girls have 
> > responded to that. Also, add hot water to canned food. My girls and boy 
> > seem to prefer the liquid to eating the meat. At least they get some 
> > nutrition. Also, has your vet said anything about doing sub q fluids? I had 
> > to do that with Lil Bit after I first got her. Se was stressed out, had a 
> > ragged coat, no luster and had lost weight. After a little over 1 - 1/2 
> > weeks, she responded and has been fine since. Giving her fluids wasn't very 
> > hard. The vet gave me a bag of fluids and needles and told me how to do it. 
> > The heardest part was sticking her with the needle but I remimded myself I 
> > was doing it for her benefit. 
> > If she is stressed out, maybe keep her seperate from the others for a while 
> > and give 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: request for counsel on BreAnne

[czadna sacarawicz]

update:
 
please review lower string.
 
BreAnne had been eating a breakfast and supper of Fancy Feast Beef pretty much 
exclusively since the May email below  She had gained weight - -was still 
hiding out but present in her life.  For the last several weeks she has been 
laying exclusively on her side and meowing when I would pick her up to move her 
 - - chest contact.  approximately 8.16 seemed like had something 
intermittently caught in her throat.  took her to local vet on 8.20 since more 
highly trusted 30 miles and 60 miles away vets were not available.  he gave us 
_ for hairball and albon.  Monday she started to vomit up food 
immediately after eating.  Since Monday she eats, she vomits, I feed, . . .  
She is increasingly  bringing up frothy phlegm.  she makes a sound in her mouth 
(epiglottis?).  I have been orally hydrating her. She definitely has an 
appetite.  know definitely not passing stool yesterday/doubtful urinated.  gave 
her food this morning, vomit, more food (pate), vomit, nutri-cal, vomit, more 
nutrical, vomit, a couple table spoons of homemade chicken broth with vitamins, 
vomited up stringing clear phlegm.  vet only says feline leukemia.  Monday 
night after the feeding and vomiting episode she was back up on her chest and 
the noise in her throat had subsided. just as it did this morning. I told vet I 
wanted to try a different antibiotic before doing a film.  ampicillin and 
baytril. 
 
she does not seem to be suffering and is active with her tail up. 
 
we trust you more than any vet we have access to.
 
please.  comments.  your experiences?
 
yes, I am willing to let her go very soon.
 
thank you.


 
> From: czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; landis.mcen...@yahoo.com
> Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 20:42:06 +
> Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: request for counsel on BreAnne
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> took BreAnne to vet yesterday. chem screen all within normal limits. on CBC: 
> lymphocytes were high. vet said she definitely has leukemia. WBC were 
> 13.2;HCT was 32%; HgB of 9.9; RBC's 6.5 - - all within normal range. 
> platelets are low; neutrophils are low, and Ly (what is that) are high. he 
> said her hydration was good. amoxicillin for 10 days and hope she pulls out 
> of it. he said she had a lot of poop inside. sent me home with an enema. his 
> diagnosis was alopecia and lymphadenopathy - - in her neck and behind her 
> knees. and I know often the growths cannot be felt.
> 
> you encouraged me to hang with her. continuing the supplements. 
> 
> she seems like a lost little soul; eats a few bites and then leaves or 
> doesn't eat at all. will eat in privacy but very, very particular. took the 
> other cats to the country and have taken her out there a couple days. she ran 
> up a tree Friday morning.
> 
> please hang with us. counsel?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 01:45:54 -0500
> > From: dlg...@windstream.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] request for counsel on BreAnne
> > CC: czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com
> > 
> > Has your vet done a complete blood panel on her? You might be able to find 
> > a clue to her problem. Also complete urine test would help. These will help 
> > identify a problem. Since cats are so good at hiding illness, we sometimes 
> > need to go to extemes. It costs, but may be less in the long runsince you 
> > find out fast what is wrong and needs to be done. 
> > As to food, I have found that Gerber's baby food (check first to be sure 
> > there is on onion or garlic in it) is easier to feed and my girls have 
> > responded to that. Also, add hot water to canned food. My girls and boy 
> > seem to prefer the liquid to eating the meat. At least they get some 
> > nutrition. Also, has your vet said anything about doing sub q fluids? I had 
> > to do that with Lil Bit after I first got her. Se was stressed out, had a 
> > ragged coat, no luster and had lost weight. After a little over 1 - 1/2 
> > weeks, she responded and has been fine since. Giving her fluids wasn't very 
> > hard. The vet gave me a bag of fluids and needles and told me how to do it. 
> > The heardest part was sticking her with the needle but I remimded myself I 
> > was doing it for her benefit. 
> > If she is stressed out, maybe keep her seperate from the others for a while 
> > and give her lots of extra attention and loving to reassure her that she is 
> > loved. Then reintroduce her to the others and see how it goes then. These 
> > ae all tihngs I have done with my pride. Good luck! 
> >  czadna sacarawicz  wrote: 
> > > 
> > > BreAnne is just short of 2 yoa; spayed. She was the playmate of ToriRose 
> > > who succumbed to Fe leukemia 2.2010. BreAnne tested + at that time. Isaac 
> > > left 2.2011. I gathered everyone else up and moved them into my apartment 
> > > from the country when Isaac left. BreAnne was/is an assertive female. 
> > > Isaac used to terrorize Scrumptious in a major way. BreAnne and 
> > > 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

[Bonnie Hogue]

Wow, now I have to ask...Friendly Nematodes?
What are they called & where do you get them!
~Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

No, we have our property sprayed against ticks, and use friendly nematodes 
around the house so that we don't have to use flea stuff on the cats.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:28 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD ONE, BUT I AM SLOW IN RESPONDING SOMETIMES.  

It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place.  I had been 
using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff over a river 
and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I took Homey to vet 
for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood also.  Vet gave her a 
long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal self, but they 
called and said she was loaded with seed ticks.  I check them every time they 
come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose of tick treament.  I 
have since found a lot of them on myself, seed and regular ticks.  Anyone else 
haeing a big problem with them?

 Cindy McHugh  wrote: 
> I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for 
> dogs on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember 
> watching an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal 
> Planet where a cat died because someone used a flea product intended 
> for dogs on it. So
> *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet 
> first about adjusting the dosage.
> 
> Cindy & Angel Jackpot
> 
> From: molvey...@hotmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just 
> discussing it with my feline asthma group.
> 
> Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems.  I have a 
> cat fence up so all my cats go in the backyard.  That is making things 
> ten times worse.  I've been using Revolution for several years now with no 
> problems.
> Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog 
> size and split it up between the cats.  I don't know if the Revolution 
> isn't working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for 
> fleas.  If you say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's just an especially 
> bad year.
> Some people in the other group were talking about how sometimes 
> switching products can help because either the fleas have built up a 
> tolerance to the current flea meds or maybe the cat's system is 
> processing the flea stuff differently because they've had it on them 
> for so long.  Who knows.  If you've been using Advantage maybe you 
> should try Revolution or Frontline Plus.  I believe Frontline Plus 
> kills fleas and larvae so it kills and breaks the life cycle so that 
> might be a good one too.  I hate using all these chemicals on my cats 
> but there's no way around it for me because I've got so many plus a few 
> ferals that live here that I can't touch.
> 
> I've never sprayed my yard but since this year is so bad I've got to 
> do something.  I'm trying to go natural first because like everyone 
> else is saying all these chemicals for yards say "don't get on skin, 
> don't get in eyes, don't inhale, etc. etc. and keep pets and children off 
> until it dries"
> and that really scares me.  If my cats didn't go out I'd spray the 
> yard with every poison I could find because I hate the fleas so bad.  
> But since they do, for now I'm trying the beneficial nematodes and I 
> just bought the food grade diatomaceous earth.  I've been using Flea 
> Stoppers in the house which is a borax type of product.  Well, I just 
> sprayed the nematodes last week so I can't tell if they're working yet 
> because they just eat larvae so they don't kill adult fleas so it'll 
> take a while to make a difference.  But if anyone wants to try them I 
> got them at Pike's nursery for $39.95.  I think you can order them 
> online also.  I don't remember if the nematodes do anything for ticks.
> 
> The diatomaceous earth I got from a local feed store.  It's the food 
> grade and a lot cheaper than ordering online, so if any of you are 
> thinking of trying it check your feed stores first.  I got a 50 lb bag 
> for $39.95 and this stuff will last forever.  I can't believe how 
> little it takes.  I didn't need a bag that big but that's all she had.  
> I'm using it outside to try to hopefully kill the adult fleas and 
> putting a little in my ca

[Felvtalk] Fw: [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information about the Felv Snap test...PLEASE READ

[SomeWhere Sam]

Forwarded from the Feral Cat Chat list

Somewhere Sam



- Forwarded Message 
From: "ethnedra...@yahoo.com" 
To: Cindy Sikes ; Tess Robinson ; 
feral-cat-c...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, August 25, 2011 3:15:53 PM
Subject: [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information  about the Felv Snap 
test...PLEASE READ

  


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From:  "Val Garcia"  
Sender:  dc-res...@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:15:08 -0400
To: Val Garcia
ReplyTo:  dc-res...@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [DC-Rescue] . Some very interesting information  about the Felv Snap 
test...PLEASE READ
  
Very very interesting about the Snap test….  I wonder how many have 
unnecessarily put to sleep…
 


 
I just learned some very interesting information about FELV.  ???  had three 
cats test positive for it, when they knew that it was very unlikely ( neither 
the mother nor any of the other kittens in the litter tested positive, after 
repeated tests and they had the mother with them for a while before birth. One 
of the vet volunteers followed up. She had blood drawn at Caring Hands Vet and 
sent to Auburn University College of Veterinary medicine Pathology Diagnostic 
Services , which does some different tests, at about $30 cost.

Auburn University College of Veterinary Medicine Pathobiology Diagnostic 
services says that the Idexx SNAP test can cause a positive result because some 
cats have a reaction to the cat serum in the test. They did two other tests on 
all three cats using a blood test called IFA as well as by another ELISA test 
called Symbiotics Viracheck. All three cats tested negative on both tests. And 
they concluded that they had reacted to the serum used in the Idexx SNAP test!!

Also we should get the word out that the Idexx tests can cause false positives>

The number of the Auburn   University facility is 334-844-2690
 




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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Natalie]

Both had ELISA AND IFA!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

 

I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure.

 

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!  
  www.Furkids.org 
 

 

 

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From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative.

New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive.  He had the 
IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

 

Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does NOT mean 
they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in their bone 
marrow.

 Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!  
  www.Furkids.org 
 

 

 

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From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago…couldn’t find anyone to take him, he was very 
lonely.  After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat – they became friends 
overnight.  A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using the IFA – they 
were both negative.  Just imagine, how lucky I was – one of them could have 
been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to FeLV!  The strange 
thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was done to soon after 
the positive ELISA.

Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another definitely 
positive cat for company.  Chances are great that kittens of a FeLV+ mother 
will be positive more likely than not.

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of April Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

 

In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female 
(Sunny) from animal control.  Our local shelter was overrun with cats and 
begging people to come adopt.  When we took them to the vets a week after being 
adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested.  I did not know when I 
adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it.  
Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia.  My vet wanted me to put her to 
sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats.  I couldn't do it she was 
only 10 months old.  So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home.  She has a 
cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore.  I think she is lonely being by 
herself.  A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile 
litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia.  I was 
thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy.  I had talked to a shelter in our 
area that takes in FELV and FIV positive cats.  They recommended not adding 
because it could make Spicy sick or the other cat sick.  Spicy is do next week 
to get retested for FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn 
negative.  If she is still positive  do you think it would hurt her to get her 
a friend?? 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Christiane Biagi]

You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed!  There are 
just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results.  Life and death 
decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us who have felv+ 
cats know the tests to be a bit shaky.  My own Tucson tested neg at about 3 
months & post years later even though she’d never been exposed to the outside 
or any pos cats…..

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

 

I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure.

 

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From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative.

New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive.  He had the 
IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

 

Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does NOT mean 
they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in their bone 
marrow.

 Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!  
  www.Furkids.org 
 

 

 

  _  

From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago…couldn’t find anyone to take him, he was very 
lonely.  After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat – they became friends 
overnight.  A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using the IFA – they 
were both negative.  Just imagine, how lucky I was – one of them could have 
been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to FeLV!  The strange 
thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was done to soon after 
the positive ELISA.

Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another definitely 
positive cat for company.  Chances are great that kittens of a FeLV+ mother 
will be positive more likely than not.

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of April Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

 

In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female 
(Sunny) from animal control.  Our local shelter was overrun with cats and 
begging people to come adopt.  When we took them to the vets a week after being 
adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested.  I did not know when I 
adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it.  
Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia.  My vet wanted me to put her to 
sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats.  I couldn't do it she was 
only 10 months old.  So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home.  She has a 
cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore.  I think she is lonely being by 
herself.  A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile 
litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia.  I was 
thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy.  I had talked to a shelter in our 
area that takes in FELV and FIV positive cats.  They recommended not adding 
because it could make Spicy sick or the other cat sick.  Spicy is do next week 
to get retested for FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn 
negative.  If she is still positive  do you think it would hurt her to get her 
a friend?? 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Beth]

I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure.

 
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From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats


Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative.
New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive.  He had the 
IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative!
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does NOT mean 
they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in their bone 
marrow.
 Beth
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 
 



From:Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago…couldn’t find anyone to take him, he was very 
lonely.  After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat – they became friends 
overnight.  A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using the IFA – they 
were both negative.  Just imagine, how lucky I was – one of them could have 
been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to FeLV!  The strange 
thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was done to soon after 
the positive ELISA.
Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another definitely 
positive cat for company.  Chances are great that kittens of a FeLV+ mother 
will be positive more likely than not.
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of April Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female 
(Sunny) from animal control.  Our local shelter was overrun with cats and 
begging people to come adopt.  When we took them to the vets a week after being 
adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested.  I did not know when I 
adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it.  
Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia.  My vet wanted me to put her to 
sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats.  I couldn't do it she was 
only 10 months old.  So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home.  She has a 
cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore.  I think she is lonely being by 
herself.  A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile 
litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia.  I was 
thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy.  I had talked to a shelter in our 
area that takes in
 FELV and FIV positive cats.  They recommended not adding because it could make 
Spicy sick or the other cat sick.  Spicy is do next week to get retested for 
FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative.  If she is 
still positive  do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? 
 
April 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Natalie]

Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative.

New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive.  He had the 
IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

 

Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does NOT mean 
they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in their bone 
marrow.

 Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!  
  www.Furkids.org 
 

 

 

  _  

From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago…couldn’t find anyone to take him, he was very 
lonely.  After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat – they became friends 
overnight.  A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using the IFA – they 
were both negative.  Just imagine, how lucky I was – one of them could have 
been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to FeLV!  The strange 
thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was done to soon after 
the positive ELISA.

Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another definitely 
positive cat for company.  Chances are great that kittens of a FeLV+ mother 
will be positive more likely than not.

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of April Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

 

In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female 
(Sunny) from animal control.  Our local shelter was overrun with cats and 
begging people to come adopt.  When we took them to the vets a week after being 
adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested.  I did not know when I 
adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it.  
Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia.  My vet wanted me to put her to 
sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats.  I couldn't do it she was 
only 10 months old.  So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home.  She has a 
cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore.  I think she is lonely being by 
herself.  A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile 
litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia.  I was 
thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy.  I had talked to a shelter in our 
area that takes in FELV and FIV positive cats.  They recommended not adding 
because it could make Spicy sick or the other cat sick.  Spicy is do next week 
to get retested for FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn 
negative.  If she is still positive  do you think it would hurt her to get her 
a friend?? 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

[Natalie]

No, we have our property sprayed against ticks, and use friendly nematodes 
around the house so that we don't have to use flea stuff on the cats.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:28 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD ONE, BUT I AM SLOW IN RESPONDING SOMETIMES.  

It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place.  I had been 
using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff over a river 
and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I took Homey to vet 
for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood also.  Vet gave her a 
long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal self, but they 
called and said she was loaded with seed ticks.  I check them every time they 
come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose of tick treament.  I 
have since found a lot of them on myself, seed and regular ticks.  Anyone else 
haeing a big problem with them?

 Cindy McHugh  wrote: 
> I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for dogs 
> on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember watching 
> an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal Planet where a 
> cat died because someone used a flea product intended for dogs on it. So 
> *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet first 
> about adjusting the dosage.
> 
> Cindy & Angel Jackpot
> 
> From: molvey...@hotmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just 
> discussing it with my feline asthma group.
> 
> Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems.  I have a cat 
> fence up so all my cats go in the backyard.  That is making things ten times 
> worse.  I've been using Revolution for several years now with no problems. 
> Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog size 
> and split it up between the cats.  I don't know if the Revolution isn't 
> working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for fleas.  If you 
> say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's just an especially bad year. 
> Some people in the other group were talking about how sometimes switching 
> products can help because either the fleas have built up a tolerance to the 
> current flea meds or maybe the cat's system is processing the flea stuff 
> differently because they've had it on them for so long.  Who knows.  If 
> you've been using Advantage maybe you should try Revolution or Frontline 
> Plus.  I believe Frontline Plus kills fleas and larvae so it kills and 
> breaks the life cycle so that might be a good one too.  I hate using all 
> these chemicals on my cats but there's no way around it for me because I've 
> got so many plus a few ferals that live here that I can't touch.
> 
> I've never sprayed my yard but since this year is so bad I've got to do 
> something.  I'm trying to go natural first because like everyone else is 
> saying all these chemicals for yards say "don't get on skin, don't get in 
> eyes, don't inhale, etc. etc. and keep pets and children off until it dries" 
> and that really scares me.  If my cats didn't go out I'd spray the yard with 
> every poison I could find because I hate the fleas so bad.  But since they 
> do, for now I'm trying the beneficial nematodes and I just bought the food 
> grade diatomaceous earth.  I've been using Flea Stoppers in the house which 
> is a borax type of product.  Well, I just sprayed the nematodes last week so 
> I can't tell if they're working yet because they just eat larvae so they 
> don't kill adult fleas so it'll take a while to make a difference.  But if 
> anyone wants to try them I got them at Pike's nursery for $39.95.  I think 
> you can order them online also.  I don't remember if the nematodes do 
> anything for ticks.
> 
> The diatomaceous earth I got from a local feed store.  It's the food grade 
> and a lot cheaper than ordering online, so if any of you are thinking of 
> trying it check your feed stores first.  I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and 
> this stuff will last forever.  I can't believe how little it takes.  I 
> didn't need a bag that big but that's all she had.  I'm using it outside to 
> try to hopefully kill the adult fleas and putting a little in my cat's 
> coats.  It's very very very dusty so you definitely need a mask on when 
> messing wtih it.  I am hesistant about using it in the house because it is 
> so so dusty.  That's why I went with the borax inside in the carpets.  I did 
> put the diatomaceous earth on the cat trees and their bedding though.  The 
> DE is the consistency of flour.  Feels just like it and is dust

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

[Christiane Biagi]

Are u sure you don't mean Ivermectin for demodectic mange?  If so, BE VERY
CAREFUL-collies & various herding breeds can carry a genetic mutation that
makes giving them Ivermectin (that's the stuff in Heartgard)

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 12:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

 

I just had a thought...I have the Plumb Veterinary drug handbook and maybe I
can find it in there. I'll let you know what I find out. Thanks for all your
info.(-:  

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Maureen Olvey 
wrote:

I'm not sure.  I was thinking the kind you use has to come from the vet and
is given as in-office treatments.  I think it's stronger than what you
bought for the collies but I'm not positive about it. 




"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
Twain
 

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From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:12:46 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed 

 

I do have a question. Is the Immunoregulon that sells on Revival Animal
Health ok to use? My Mom and I both acquired Collies that had demodectic
mange and that was one of the things we used to help treat them.

 

Thanks so much

Marcia

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:47 AM, "Lynda Wilson" 
wrote:

I can appreciate your last paragraph, Maureen!  You tell 'em girl! LOL!!

- Original Message - 

From: Maureen Olvey   

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 AM

Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

 

It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets
and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it.
But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even
Fletch.  
 
What have they figured out about Fletch so far?  Is his white blood cell
count down or something?  What's causing his weight loss?  From hearing from
others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his
symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV.  What I mean by that is don't give
up.  If a vet says "oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not
much that will help because he has FeLV" then ask him what he would do if he
didn't have FeLV and to treat him accordingly.  Don't let a vet assume he is
going to die everytime he gets sick.  You may need to be more aggressive
with his treatment or whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting.  If
later on he has a tumor then treat him for the tumor and don't just say "let
him die."  The cat may have a flare up of something or another and then he
is fine for the rest of his life.
 
Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken
two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet
tested them for FIV they were positive.  Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV
but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal
from his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them.  But
in every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity
to heal before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered.
The FIV cat that I have that I mentioned was that way.  He had a bad URI and
the vet said he probably wouldn't get over it.  One round of Clavamox later
and he was fine.  Nothing to it.  That was about two and a half years ago.
He was like 8 years old at the time.  I remember two others that I took in
that had wounds and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover
because of the FIV.  LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the
cats are now fine.
 
FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful
eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either.  So if
funds permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and
treat it.
 
And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I
normally say to them.  Something to the effect of "I'd rather be a crazy cat
(or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't
appreciate God's Creations!"  Better to love too much than too little so
what exactly is wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to
do whatever you can to save it's life.  If God is Love then love comes from
God and to love is to honor God and the creation that He loves.  That's the
way I say it nicely   ;-) Usually after that nice speech I tell them to
kiss my animal loving butt!


"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

[Marcia Baronda]

I just had a thought...I have the Plumb Veterinary drug handbook and maybe I
can find it in there. I'll let you know what I find out. Thanks for all your
info.(-:

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Maureen Olvey wrote:

>  I'm not sure.  I was thinking the kind you use has to come from the vet
> and is given as in-office treatments.  I think it's stronger than what you
> bought for the collies but I'm not positive about it.
>
>
>
> *“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that
> are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
> Twain*
>
>  --
> From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:12:46 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed
>
>
> I do have a question. Is the Immunoregulon that sells on Revival Animal
> Health ok to use? My Mom and I both acquired Collies that had demodectic
> mange and that was one of the things we used to help treat them.
>
> Thanks so much
> Marcia
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:47 AM, "Lynda Wilson" 
> wrote:
>
>   I can appreciate your last paragraph, Maureen!  You tell 'em girl! LOL!!
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Maureen Olvey 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 AM
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed
>
> It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more
> vets and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about
> it.  But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats,
> even Fletch.
>
> What have they figured out about Fletch so far?  Is his white blood cell
> count down or something?  What's causing his weight loss?  From hearing from
> others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for
> his symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV.  What I mean by that is don't
> give up.  If a vet says "oh his white blood cell count is down and there's
> not much that will help because he has FeLV" then ask him what he would do
> if he didn't have FeLV and to treat him accordingly.  Don't let a vet assume
> he is going to die everytime he gets sick.  You may need to be more
> aggressive with his treatment or whatever because of the FeLV but keep
> fighting.  If later on he has a tumor then treat him for the tumor and don't
> just say "let him die."  The cat may have a flare up of something or another
> and then he is fine for the rest of his life.
>
> Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've
> taken two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the
> vet tested them for FIV they were positive.  Now that's not quite as bad as
> FeLV but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't
> heal from his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing
> them.  But in every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an
> opportunity to heal before putting them down and in every single case the
> cat recovered.  The FIV cat that I have that I mentioned was that way.  He
> had a bad URI and the vet said he probably wouldn't get over it.  One round
> of Clavamox later and he was fine.  Nothing to it.  That was about two and a
> half years ago.  He was like 8 years old at the time.  I remember two others
> that I took in that had wounds and the vets said it was infected and they
> wouldn't recover because of the FIV.  LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both
> cases and the cats are now fine.
>
> FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful
> eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either.  So if
> funds permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and
> treat it.
>
> And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what
> I normally say to them.  Something to the effect of "I'd rather be a crazy
> cat (or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't
> appreciate God's Creations!"  Better to love too much than too little so
> what exactly is wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to
> do whatever you can to save it's life.  If God is Love then love comes from
> God and to love is to honor God and the creation that He loves.  That's the
> way I say it nicely   ;-) Usually after that nice speech I tell them to
> kiss my animal loving butt!
>
>
> *“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that
> are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
> Twain*
>
>
>   --
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> To: felvtalk

Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Beth]

I would wait & have the other cat re-tested in 3 months. If they were already 
exposed to each other it is quite possible the other cat has the virus from 
Spicey but it has not yet shown up (takes at least 90 days).
I mix my positives & vaccinated negatives, but if you want to keep them 
separate, I would think about getting her a playmate, maybe a male since they 
seem to be more accepting of new cats, at least in y experience.

Beth

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From: April Johnson 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats


In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female 
(Sunny) from animal control.  Our local shelter was overrun with cats and 
begging people to come adopt.  When we took them to the vets a week after being 
adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested.  I did not know when I 
adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it.  
Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia.  My vet wanted me to put her to 
sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats.  I couldn't do it she was 
only 10 months old.  So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home.  She has a 
cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore.  I think she is lonely being by 
herself.  A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile 
litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia.  I was 
thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy.  I had talked to a shelter in our 
area that takes in
 FELV and FIV positive cats.  They recommended not adding because it could make 
Spicy sick or the other cat sick.  Spicy is do next week to get retested for 
FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative.  If she is 
still positive  do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Beth]

Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does NOT mean 
they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in their bone 
marrow.


 Beth
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From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats


I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago…couldn’t find anyone to take him, he was very 
lonely.  After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat – they became friends 
overnight.  A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using the IFA – they 
were both negative.  Just imagine, how lucky I was – one of them could have 
been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to FeLV!  The strange 
thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was done to soon after 
the positive ELISA.
Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another definitely 
positive cat for company.  Chances are great that kittens of a FeLV+ mother 
will be positive more likely than not.
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of April Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female 
(Sunny) from animal control.  Our local shelter was overrun with cats and 
begging people to come adopt.  When we took them to the vets a week after being 
adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested.  I did not know when I 
adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it.  
Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia.  My vet wanted me to put her to 
sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats.  I couldn't do it she was 
only 10 months old.  So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home.  She has a 
cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore.  I think she is lonely being by 
herself.  A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile 
litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia.  I was 
thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy.  I had talked to a shelter in our 
area that takes in
 FELV and FIV positive cats.  They recommended not adding because it could make 
Spicy sick or the other cat sick.  Spicy is do next week to get retested for 
FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative.  If she is 
still positive  do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed

[Maureen Olvey]

I'm not sure.  I was thinking the kind you use has to come from the vet and is 
given as in-office treatments.  I think it's stronger than what you bought for 
the collies but I'm not positive about it.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:12:46 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed


I do have a question. Is the Immunoregulon that sells on Revival Animal Health 
ok to use? My Mom and I both acquired Collies that had demodectic mange and 
that was one of the things we used to help treat them.


Thanks so much
Marcia

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:47 AM, "Lynda Wilson"  wrote:





I can appreciate your last paragraph, Maureen!  You tell 'em girl! LOL!!

- Original Message - 
From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed


It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets 
and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it.  
But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even 
Fletch.  
 
What have they figured out about Fletch so far?  Is his white blood cell count 
down or something?  What's causing his weight loss?  From hearing from others 
on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his symptoms as 
though he didn't have FeLV.  What I mean by that is don't give up.  If a vet 
says "oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not much that will help 
because he has FeLV" then ask him what he would do if he didn't have FeLV and 
to treat him accordingly.  Don't let a vet assume he is going to die everytime 
he gets sick.  You may need to be more aggressive with his treatment or 
whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting.  If later on he has a tumor 
then treat him for the tumor and don't just say "let him die."  The cat may 
have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for the rest of his 
life.
 
Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken 
two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet tested 
them for FIV they were positive.  Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV but still 
the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal from his 
injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them.  But in every 
case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to heal 
before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered.  The FIV 
cat that I have that I mentioned was that way.  He had a bad URI and the vet 
said he probably wouldn't get over it.  One round of Clavamox later and he was 
fine.  Nothing to it.  That was about two and a half years ago.  He was like 8 
years old at the time.  I remember two others that I took in that had wounds 
and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover because of the FIV. 
 LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the cats are now fine.
 
FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful eye 
over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either.  So if funds 
permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it.
 
And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I 
normally say to them.  Something to the effect of "I'd rather be a crazy cat 
(or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate 
God's Creations!"  Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is 
wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you can 
to save it's life.  If God is Love then love comes from God and to love is to 
honor God and the creation that He loves.  That's the way I say it nicely   ;-) 
Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal loving butt!


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 






From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:36:51 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed


Maureen
I can't thank you enough for this email. I know i'm not out of the woods yet, 
as far as my adults go, but hoping. That seems like a miracle that your fiv cat 
didn't contract felv! It seems to me, that after hearing from all of you today 
that there can definitely be a light at the e

Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

[Maureen Olvey]

Like I mentioned in my last e-mail - from what this vet told me, the IFA test 
is a confirmation of FeLV if it turns up positive so you wouldn't need a bone 
marrow aspirate.  Now if the IFA is negative now and you do another IFA later 
on and it's still negative then either the cat has exterminated the virus or 
has put it into dormancy.  When a cat has put the virus into dormancy both the 
ELISA and the IFA will be negative and only a bone marrow aspirate would tell 
if the virus is in dormancy.  I'm just going on what I'm reading and what that 
one vet is telling me.
 
Also, I read that many cats that put the virus into dormancy could extinguish 
the virus altogether years later
 
There is always a chance that the IFA can show a false positive, but 99% of the 
time it's right.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



From: siggies...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:59:39 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt






Hi Marcia,
 
I don't think re-testing is ever a bad idea, but in order to truly determine 
where his FeLV is as far as infection goes, a bone marrow aspirate would have 
to be done.It's been 6 years since I've had a FeLV+ baby here, and I was 
inactive on this list for quite some time.  I recently reactivated because I 
missed reading about the kitties.
 
His grouchiness could have everything to do with the fact that he's blind.  I 
think once he adjusts, and once he is completely familiar with his surroundings 
he may be just fine.  If you never read the book "Homer's Odyssey", you should. 
 That kitty had to have his eyes removed when he was a kitten, and he adjusted 
quite well.  Wonderful story.
 
I never give up hope that my husband will one day agree to give up meat.  Or at 
least drastically cut down on the amount.  He'd eat beef every day if he had a 
choice.
 
T

- Original Message - 
From: Marcia Baronda 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt


Terri
 
I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers where 
Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my husband and 
said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork and fish 
followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to cook! I am 
a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an amazing woman. 
it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't calm down as fast as 
dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret that sometimes and end 
up getting scratched or bit. That's OK.
Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats 
today and continually growls at me(-;  I asked my vet about retesting him and 
she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after 
reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I 
am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. 
I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not 
feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has 
totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little 
guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do 
you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions??
 
Take care everyone
Marcia


On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown  wrote:




I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected.  I understand that they are 
meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect.  This is why I am 
such a fan of Temple Grandin.  She got it right.
 
I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the 
cruelty they get like this.  I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated.  It 
is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of 
cattle.  There are more humane ways to slaughter them.
 
My 2 cents.
 
=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=




- Original Message - 
From: Marcia Baronda 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the 
horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had 
overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the 
road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so 
Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I 
thought. they ask if I

Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

[Maureen Olvey]

If after a few weeks the amoxi isn't working ask the vet about switching 
antibiotics to a stronger one.  It'd be nice if they knew where the infection 
was.  He probably does have an infection since he has a fever but the infection 
came from somewhere, not just a generalized infection.  Since they mentioned a 
virus I wonder if they're thinking it's an upper respiratory infection.  Either 
way, I guess antibiotics are called for.  I still say maybe an immune system 
stimulant since he probably does have FeLV.  Not that everytime a cat is sick 
does it mean FeLV but if he truly does have FeLV then it will be extra hard for 
his body to fight off the infection.
 
Prednisone can negatively affect the immune system.  It can be a really good 
thing but I've just heard it can suppress the immune system.  Guess you have to 
balance out the benefits of it with the potential negatives.  Did they say why 
they wanted to use prednisone?  I think it's normally used for some kind of 
inflammation.  I imagine they have a good reason for suggesting it but you 
should ask to be sure you understand why they want to use it before making a 
decision.
 
I would definitely re-test but the question is when.  You could do the IFA test 
right now but if it comes up negative then you would need to do another one 
later on to see if the infection has gotten into his white blood cells.  It 
takes a little time from the time the virus gets into his bloodstream before it 
gets into his white blood cells so the ELISA could be positive right now and 
the IFA negative but then positive later.  Or his body may fight off the virus 
so right now he could have a positive ELISA but a negative IFA.  Then when his 
body fights it off he should have a negative ELISA and a negative IFA.  Myself, 
I'd be curious and want to do the IFA test now to know if it's in his white 
blood cells already, but knowing you'll have to pay for another one later on 
(if it's negative) then maybe you should wait.  Your decision.  Whenever you do 
decide to do the test just demand your vet do it whether she thinks it's 
necessary or not.  Recently a vet told someone in our rescue that she shouldn't 
do the IFA because the ELISA test was the "gold standard."  Thankfully the 
foster parent realized the vet was a clueless about FeLV and the two different 
tests so she demanded he do the IFA test anyway.  But if you decide to wait on 
the IFA test then since Fletch is sick I would treat him as though he had FeLV 
and get him on immunoreglin or something like it until he gets well.
 
The one vet told me that a positive IFA means the virus is in his white blood 
cells and there's no need for further testing because once it's in his white 
blood cells the cat will not fight off the virus and won't put it into dormancy 
either.  He will stay positive for FeLV.  So if you do the IFA test now and 
it's positive then you can consider him definitely positive, according to her 
anyway, and not do another test later.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:14:56 -0500
From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch


Fletch was born with microphalmia,,one of his eyes was completely covered by a 
membrane and the other one he had limited sight. From what I have read some of 
these cats will go completely blind. And I can tell from the way he is acting 
that he has gone blind. He Is afraid at every little move. I'm hoping he 
eventually gets used to it. He knows this house so well, that he knows where 
everything is. 
The reason that he is on amoxi is that when I took him to the vet he had a temp 
of 105. They said he has some sort of infection that we need to get under 
control. He said that it isnt the virus that is making fletch feel sick but the 
infection he has. So he told me to keep him on it for three weeks. Yesterday 
when I saw the other vet (at the same office) she told me he could stay on it 
if he needed to.. So that's where I'm atopen for suggestions.  Oh, today I 
got my liquid b complex and started him on that.
 
thanks guys
 
oh I turned 59 in July(-:


On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Lorrie  wrote:

On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote:

>Fletch  is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other
>cats  today  and  continually  growls  at  me(-;  I asked my vet about
>retesting  him  and  she  said  it's  not necessary since he's already
>cliically  ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted
>that  you  don't  agree.  that is why I am here, for outside help from
>people  that  have  years  of  experience  with  this. I will have him
>retested  of  course. Do you think his

Re: [Felvtalk] Blind, declawed cat

[Bonnie Hogue]

Natalie
You are a saint for helping this poor animal.  Best of luck to him and you.
I will pray the right home is found for him.
~B.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:55 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blind, declawed cat

OMG, that poor baby.  How could anyone be that cruel.


On 08-24, Natalie wrote:
> 
>We  just  got  a  9-yr  old blind and declawed cat, and healthy
>- poor thing was stumbling around in a neighborhood, and only
>after about 2 weeks it was determined that he cannot see. 
>Nobody was looking for him; obviously abandoned.  Now, I'm
>trying to find him a small and quiet home...he has to be
>approached quietly and forewarned that you're there.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Blind, declawed cat

[Lorrie]

OMG, that poor baby.  How could anyone be that cruel.


On 08-24, Natalie wrote:
> 
>We  just  got  a  9-yr  old blind and declawed cat, and healthy
>- poor thing was stumbling around in a neighborhood, and only
>after about 2 weeks it was determined that he cannot see. 
>Nobody was looking for him; obviously abandoned.  Now, I'm
>trying to find him a small and quiet home...he has to be
>approached quietly and forewarned that you're there.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Seed Ticks?

[Lorrie]

What are seed ticks?  I know about the big dog ticks and the tiny
deer ticks. The deer ticks are very small, so are these what you
call seed ticks? 

> On 08-25, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> 
> It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place. 
> I had been using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live
> on bluff over a river and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of
> mosquitos) but I took Homey to vet for sturivite crystals in urine
> and she had some blood also.  Vet gave her a long lasting
> antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal self, but they
> called and said she was loaded with seed ticks.  I check them every
> time they come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose
> of tick treament.  I have since found a lot of them on myself, seed
> and regular ticks.  Anyone else haeing a big problem with them?
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Mooshu Please add to the CLS :(

[Beth]

I love the grumpy old men too! Such a reward to make them purr :) Sorry about 
his passing.

Beth

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From: Sherry DeHaan 
To: Felvtalk 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:55 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Mooshu  Please add to the CLS :(


We lost another wonderful Black boy today. My Mooshy man was a big grumpy old 
boy,but I sure loved him for almost 6 years. I will ALWAYS remember the first 
time I got him to purr for me...I cried like a baby.He came into Sids just 
after I started volunteering and I was determined to make that grumbly boy 
purr. :) I know he knew he was loved,I told him often,but sadly I cant recall 
telling him on Monday when I was there...I hope I did.
I will miss you Mooshy Man 
Sherry


"We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way" 
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Re: [Felvtalk] ALERT NOTICE: Fake Frontline

[Beth]

I've heard of it showing up at vets' offices too.

Beth

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From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ALERT NOTICE: Fake Frontline

That is why I get mine from my vet not some mail order source or online.

 Natalie  wrote: 
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>  YTd1dGM0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzYzOTcwODQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA3MjkxNTA0BG1zZ0lk
> AzMwNDcxBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEzMTM0OTczNTM-> Fake Frontline 
> 
> 
> To all cat and dog lovers!
> 
> A few months ago, a friend noticed a warning at the front counter of her
> vet's office about counterfeit Frontline. At the time, I didn't give it much
> thought.  Then, another friend forwarded a link about a dog dying from what
> his vet thinks might be due to toxicity from some fake Frontline. You may or
> may not already know about this, but I think it is important enough to post
> the link to the article here:
> 
> http://www.dailykos .com/story/ 2011/08/12/ 1006303/- EPA-Counterfeit-
> Pesticide- Products- for-Dogs- and-Cats# comments
>  -Products-for-Dogs-and-Cats#comments> 
> 
> Very sad story. If you use Frontline, be careful about where you purchase it
> and examine the package closely.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

[Maureen Olvey]

LOL - I can see you (not that I know what you look like) in the courtroom at 
jury selection and you saying "Hang the Bastard."  I still can't stop laughing. 
 I would imagine everyone mouth dropped open.  Mostly because they agreed but 
were too scared to say it themselves.

I hate the physical changes of age but being more secure emotionally is worth 
it. 

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 

> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:02:56 -0500
> From: dlg...@windstream.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
> 
> Anyone who abuses animals and children and seniors deserves a swift kick in 
> the . I have no patience with them and really don't give a d--- if they 
> don't like it.
> I have never been asked to serve on a jury in a case of animal, child, senior 
> abuse or drug charges. When asked if I have an opinioin on the case, I say 
> they should hang the bastard. They never do pick me. Can't figure out why. I 
> am also 70. Maybe age does have something to do with it.
> 
> 
>  "D.S.Louis"  wrote: 
> > At my age 70, I've earned the right to say what I feel...andI do 
> > itjust ask my kids..
> 
> 
> "A failure is just a stopover on the way to SUCCESS."
> 
> From: Natalie 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
> 
> Congratulations!  I don't get these people, if they don't really care for
> the horses, don't they at least appreciate them for their monetary
> value?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:31 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
> 
> I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about
> animals for several years now.
> 
> Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for
> a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun
> in an enclosed trailer.  One of the horses was neighing and kicking so
> hard the trailer was rocking.  I went inside and found her, told her
> one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left
> them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat.  She told me
> she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating
> yet.  I told her that is why it is called fast food.  She could order
> the food and they can eat in the truck.  Suffer - your horses are!
> 
> She seemed to be a bit miffed at me!  Said very un-4H-like words!
> 
> Sigh.
> 
> Tee hee.
> 
> Wonder what I'll be like at 80?
> 
> kat
> 
> On 8/23/11, Lorrie  wrote:
> > On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote:
> >>You  know  what?  I'm getting that way too!  It must be getting older.
> >>Ya  know,  I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting
> >>older, there ARE perks.
> >
> > Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old!
> > I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them
> > if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals.
> >
> > Lorrie
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

[Terri Brown]

AWESOME

=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
  - Original Message - 
  From: katskat1 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt


  Gee!  Now you got me started on another topic.  Speaking of Homer's
  Odyssey, I recently rescued a kitten less than 5 weeks old.  Eyes and
  nose all gooey.  Siblings either run over or died shortly after being
  taken off the road.  The person who rescued her called me cause she
  knew I was a cat person and didn't know what to do.

  I cleaned her up and when I got the gunk off her face she had one eye
  bulging and sightless and the other apparently sightless.  2 days
  later (right after July 4), I took her to my vet for emergency
  surgery.  She had to remove both eyes because of severe infection BUT
  she tested negative for FeLV.  Awful young to assume I know but I had
  her do the test anyway.  A couple days ago I took her in for her shots
  and had her tested again.  Still negative.  I will have her tested one
  more time when she goes in for spay.

  Her name is Koko because:  1.  Koko is American Indian (Blackfoot)
  word for 'night' which she will always be in.  2.  Koko was the name
  of the first gorilla taught American Sign Language for the blind and
  had a huge vocabulary.  3.  Koko used her vocabulary to convince her
  humans she wanted a kitten.  A REAL kitten.  She got one, and she
  loved it and other kittens she adopted over the years.  COOL?

  Koko is the bravest, most ornery, energetic kitty I remember having.
  She has memorized the house, attacks the dogs and other cats from
  hiding places, plays with the cats, plays with the dogs, (who seem to
  realize she can't see and play gently), jumps off high places once she
  has gotten familiar with them (my bed, the back of the couch), and is
  having a blast with life.  I doubt she has ever been able to see cause
  she was dumped while so young.  Next month she gets spayed and has an
  umbilical hernia repaired then, I am hers and she is mine forever!

  I gotta get/read that book.

   kat
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  On 8/24/11, Lorrie 
mailto:felineres...@frontier.com>> wrote:
  > On 08-24, Natalie wrote:
  >>Welcome to 70 - I'll be 71 in December!  Great age, isn't it?
  >>
  > It's great to know quite a few of you are in your 60's or 70's.
  > Now I don't feel quite so bad being 78.
  >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

[dlgegg]

You should come to Lincoln County, Mo.  I have lost almost everything that 
critters will eat from tomatoes, cucumbers, strawberries, tabasco peppers, 
petunias.  Only thing they don't eat are herbs and things with rough leaves.  I 
live in the middle of the woods and with the long heat spell we have had, the 
deer, rabbits, groundhogs and possums  have been hitting my plants looking for 
moisture.  Because of that, I haven't gotten to angry with them and started 
putting out water in several places for them.  Fortunately, I have friends at 
the senior center who have lots of vegies.  
 Maureen Olvey  wrote: 
> 
> Wish they'd come in my yard and eat everything!  I'm so tired of trimming 
> shrubs and yard work.  I used to like it but now I'm too busy with too many 
> other things.  My husband hates yard work worse than I do.  I love to have a 
> pretty yard but man it's a lot of work.  If the deer came and tore it up then 
> I'd have an excuse.
>  
> Anyway, depending on the size of your property, I wonder if you planted a 
> fruit tree or something they really liked at the far end of the property if 
> they would stay with it and not come near your decorative plants.  It might 
> attract more deer though.  I thought of it because at work we have some kind 
> of big tree that puts out some kind of fruit (I don't even know what it is) 
> and every year I see deer over there.  I thought it was great and even put a 
> salt lick over there.  The thing is though that it's always two or three.  I 
> never see hoards and hoards of deer.  Two or three come and eat and then 
> they're gone.  I work a lot of late evenings and I only see them here and 
> there and only two or three at a time so they're not a major problem although 
> there's plenty for them to eat and I would think more deer would come around. 
>  Wonder if they're territorial so they won't let other deer come eat their 
> food.  Well, just a thought.  I know you don't want to attract deer but if 
> they're coming no matter what and you're property is big enough just wondered 
> if giving them something away from where you don't want them to be would 
> help.  As well as the wind chimes and other stuff.  Probably would make it 
> worse but I just wondered about it.
> 
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
> 
> 
>  
> > Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 09:55:22 -0400
> > From: at...@optonline.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> > 
> > It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and
> > shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched!
> > Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill
> > plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are
> > lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online!
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
> > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> > 
> > Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem 
> > to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above 
> > them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils.
> > On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote:
> > 
> > > OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am 
> > > sorry for
> > > posting here.
> > >
> > > Natalie,
> > >
> > > Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I 
> > > apologize.
> > > I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse 
> > > they
> > > eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago 
> > > the deer
> > > became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not 
> > > get into
> > > that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. 
> > > I chose
> > > repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. 
> > > They are
> > > creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there 
> > > was no
> > > nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a 
> > > number
> > > on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry.
> > >
> > > James do not boot me off.
> > >
> > > Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

[dlgegg]

I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD ONE, BUT I AM SLOW IN RESPONDING SOMETIMES.  

It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place.  I had been 
using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff over a river 
and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I took Homey to vet 
for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood also.  Vet gave her a 
long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal self, but they 
called and said she was loaded with seed ticks.  I check them every time they 
come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose of tick treament.  I 
have since found a lot of them on myself, seed and regular ticks.  Anyone else 
haeing a big problem with them?

 Cindy McHugh  wrote: 
> I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for dogs 
> on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember watching 
> an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal Planet where a 
> cat died because someone used a flea product intended for dogs on it. So 
> *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet first 
> about adjusting the dosage.
> 
> Cindy & Angel Jackpot
> 
> From: molvey...@hotmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just 
> discussing it with my feline asthma group.
> 
> Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems.  I have a cat 
> fence up so all my cats go in the backyard.  That is making things ten times 
> worse.  I've been using Revolution for several years now with no problems. 
> Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog size 
> and split it up between the cats.  I don't know if the Revolution isn't 
> working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for fleas.  If you 
> say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's just an especially bad year. 
> Some people in the other group were talking about how sometimes switching 
> products can help because either the fleas have built up a tolerance to the 
> current flea meds or maybe the cat's system is processing the flea stuff 
> differently because they've had it on them for so long.  Who knows.  If 
> you've been using Advantage maybe you should try Revolution or Frontline 
> Plus.  I believe Frontline Plus kills fleas and larvae so it kills and 
> breaks the life cycle so that might be a good one too.  I hate using all 
> these chemicals on my cats but there's no way around it for me because I've 
> got so many plus a few ferals that live here that I can't touch.
> 
> I've never sprayed my yard but since this year is so bad I've got to do 
> something.  I'm trying to go natural first because like everyone else is 
> saying all these chemicals for yards say "don't get on skin, don't get in 
> eyes, don't inhale, etc. etc. and keep pets and children off until it dries" 
> and that really scares me.  If my cats didn't go out I'd spray the yard with 
> every poison I could find because I hate the fleas so bad.  But since they 
> do, for now I'm trying the beneficial nematodes and I just bought the food 
> grade diatomaceous earth.  I've been using Flea Stoppers in the house which 
> is a borax type of product.  Well, I just sprayed the nematodes last week so 
> I can't tell if they're working yet because they just eat larvae so they 
> don't kill adult fleas so it'll take a while to make a difference.  But if 
> anyone wants to try them I got them at Pike's nursery for $39.95.  I think 
> you can order them online also.  I don't remember if the nematodes do 
> anything for ticks.
> 
> The diatomaceous earth I got from a local feed store.  It's the food grade 
> and a lot cheaper than ordering online, so if any of you are thinking of 
> trying it check your feed stores first.  I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and 
> this stuff will last forever.  I can't believe how little it takes.  I 
> didn't need a bag that big but that's all she had.  I'm using it outside to 
> try to hopefully kill the adult fleas and putting a little in my cat's 
> coats.  It's very very very dusty so you definitely need a mask on when 
> messing wtih it.  I am hesistant about using it in the house because it is 
> so so dusty.  That's why I went with the borax inside in the carpets.  I did 
> put the diatomaceous earth on the cat trees and their bedding though.  The 
> DE is the consistency of flour.  Feels just like it and is dusty just like 
> it.  I put some on some of my cats and when they shake you can see a dust 
> cloud around them.  So for now I'm glad I didn't put it everywhere in the 
> house.  I think the Flea Stoppers with the borox has helped but I'm also 
> vacuuming every couple of days which makes a big difference.  I've put the 
> diatomaceous earth on several of my cat's then checked them when they come 
> in from outside.  They are