Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983
Oh how very true. I wish the people who don't neuter and spay could all see this!!! I get so sick of people who let their cats have kittens so they can witness the miracle of life! How I wish their kids could watch all those precious cats and kittens being killed!! Lorrie On 06-29, Natalie wrote: Exposing the killing horrors to the public is the best way to call attention to it; as the saying goes, if shelters had to kill animals in glass houses in town squares, they would stop doing it - if it's out of sight, out of mind, and easily swept under the rug., it will continue! People must become aware of it, mandatory spay/neuter laws must be passed, and legislators must stop taking money and be continually influenced by lobbyists who want nothing more than to stop it - breeders, many veterinarians, and hunting groups (YES, would you believe?) and many more you would never suspect, are against any spay/neuter legislation! But it's the ONLY answer! Natalie =^..^= P.S. Maybe all of the rescuers in this group who have ideas, should take this offline..let's put our heads together! It can be done! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kat Parker Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 2:07 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Section 1983 Hiya Kathryn and everyone. The federal statute you were referring to, Kathryn, is Section 1983, and my step-brother, Sheldon Eisenberg, is the one who wrote the Section 1983 to the rescue, on Nathan's site you found, and Sheldon used it in court representing Cathy Nguyen and Nathan against Los Angeles County Dept of Animal Care and Control, which he won a stipulated order from the judge in that lawsuit. (Not that it does any good at all, now, but ... whatever. lol) I did not intend to correct any person in particular, just wanted to mention the name of the law, which is really easy to forget, actually, but really wonderful to be able to use for all being a FEDERAL STATUTE, and there are a lot of rescuers in here. ~Kat~ -- Forwarded message -- The problem here is that I'm in Texas. Killing is the State Sport. Unfortunately, most of the Animal Control Officers don't even know the new rules, which include acceptance of TNR as a way to control outside cats. I think killing is a favorite sport in every state! Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983
Whenever people say that, I tell them what it really is: The miracle of death! First of all, the cat will most likely have the kittens at night, when they're away, in schooland when they say that they get good homes for the kittens, how can they honestly reinforce the absolute need for spaying/neutering to the adopters when the example they set was the exact opposite? And for every kitten that is allowed to be born and a home found, a rescue kitten will die because homes are so scarce. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983 Oh how very true. I wish the people who don't neuter and spay could all see this!!! I get so sick of people who let their cats have kittens so they can witness the miracle of life! How I wish their kids could watch all those precious cats and kittens being killed!! Lorrie On 06-29, Natalie wrote: Exposing the killing horrors to the public is the best way to call attention to it; as the saying goes, if shelters had to kill animals in glass houses in town squares, they would stop doing it - if it's out of sight, out of mind, and easily swept under the rug., it will continue! People must become aware of it, mandatory spay/neuter laws must be passed, and legislators must stop taking money and be continually influenced by lobbyists who want nothing more than to stop it - breeders, many veterinarians, and hunting groups (YES, would you believe?) and many more you would never suspect, are against any spay/neuter legislation! But it's the ONLY answer! Natalie =^..^= P.S. Maybe all of the rescuers in this group who have ideas, should take this offline..let's put our heads together! It can be done! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983
After years in rescue, I'm so cynical that I truly believe if you did all the killing of cats and dogs on a large stage in a see-through dome, some people would view it as entertainment while the majority would hurry by, averting their eyes and telling themselves that it's just a movie, it doesn't really exist, it's not so bad, it's only animals and they don't have a soul anyway, according to most religions, or some other myth. They would acclimate to the situation and soon it would be like everything else in our lovely Society. People passing by the homeless and maybe throwing a couple of coins in a hat, people ignoring automobile alarms, people closing their windows when their neighbors are fighting to the point of violence, people voting against clean air, clean water, natural food because they are so afraid of Big Industry raising the prices of candy bars, LuLuPop cereal, iPads and iPhones. People sticking their heads in the sand and mumbling Just Say No when the idea of birth control for teenagers comes up and people wanting that cute designer kitten to match the living room sofa or that pure bred dog they think they can breed to make a fortune off the puppies by selling them at the side of the highway. This is so depressing I would advise you take a Prozac after reading it. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983 Whenever people say that, I tell them what it really is: The miracle of death! First of all, the cat will most likely have the kittens at night, when they're away, in schooland when they say that they get good homes for the kittens, how can they honestly reinforce the absolute need for spaying/neutering to the adopters when the example they set was the exact opposite? And for every kitten that is allowed to be born and a home found, a rescue kitten will die because homes are so scarce. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983 Oh how very true. I wish the people who don't neuter and spay could all see this!!! I get so sick of people who let their cats have kittens so they can witness the miracle of life! How I wish their kids could watch all those precious cats and kittens being killed!! Lorrie On 06-29, Natalie wrote: Exposing the killing horrors to the public is the best way to call attention to it; as the saying goes, if shelters had to kill animals in glass houses in town squares, they would stop doing it - if it's out of sight, out of mind, and easily swept under the rug., it will continue! People must become aware of it, mandatory spay/neuter laws must be passed, and legislators must stop taking money and be continually influenced by lobbyists who want nothing more than to stop it - breeders, many veterinarians, and hunting groups (YES, would you believe?) and many more you would never suspect, are against any spay/neuter legislation! But it's the ONLY answer! Natalie =^..^= P.S. Maybe all of the rescuers in this group who have ideas, should take this offline..let's put our heads together! It can be done! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983
I wish mandatory s/n worked, but apparently it doesn't correlate with lower pound intakes. They went up when my town passed mandatory s/n. (Whereas they went down when we implemented low-cost s/n.) From Ryan Clinton (and please send flames his way, not mine): Research has demonstrated that mandatory spay/neuter laws have never worked in any community to either increase spay/neuter rates or to decrease shelter intake: http://www.aspca.org/about-us/policy-positions/mandatory-spay-neuter-laws.aspx . Not only that, but such laws have actually increased shelter intake and killing as pets are either surrendered or seized for failure to pay regressive fees: http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2011/01/los-angeles-msn-year-3-when-can-we-expect-it-to-start-working.html . It is also believed that such laws may reduce veterinary-care rates and vaccination rates, including rabies vaccinations: http://www.theriogenology.org/displaycommon.cfm?an=1subarticlenbr=59 Thus, anyone and everyone who cares about animals should be against mandatory spay/neuter laws. In fact, nearly every single national animal-welfare organization IS against mandatory spay/neuter laws, including Alley Cat Allies, Best Friends Animal Society, the American Veterinary Medical Association, American Humane, the Anti-Cruelty League, the No Kill Advocacy Center, and both the American College of Theriogenologists and the Society of Theriogenology (both specialist organizations of veterinarians who are experts in spay/neuter), among many others. On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Exposing the killing horrors to the public is the best way to call attention to it; as the saying goes, if shelters had to kill animals in glass houses in town squares, they would stop doing it – if it’s out of sight, out of mind, and easily swept under the rug., it will continue! People must become aware of it, mandatory spay/neuter laws must be passed, and legislators must stop taking money and be continually influenced by lobbyists who want nothing more than to stop it – breeders, many veterinarians, and hunting groups (YES, would you believe?) and many more you would never suspect, are against any spay/neuter legislation! But it’s the ONLY answer! Natalie =^..^= ** ** P.S. Maybe all of the rescuers in this group who have ideas, should take this offline….let’s put our heads together! It can be done! *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kat Parker *Sent:* Tuesday, June 05, 2012 2:07 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Section 1983 ** ** Hiya Kathryn and everyone. The federal statute you were referring to, Kathryn, is Section 1983, and my step-brother, Sheldon Eisenberg, is the one who wrote the Section 1983 to the rescue, on Nathan's site you found, and Sheldon used it in court representing Cathy Nguyen and Nathan against Los Angeles County Dept of Animal Care and Control, which he won a stipulated order from the judge in that lawsuit. (Not that it does any good at all, now, but ... whatever. lol) I did not intend to correct any person in particular, just wanted to mention the name of the law, which is really easy to forget, actually, but really wonderful to be able to use for all being a FEDERAL STATUTE, and there are a lot of rescuers in here. ~Kat~ -- Forwarded message -- From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 18:21:00 -0800 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters What do you mean by ``rules''? Laws? If they are not in compliance with laws, then turn them in. (Of course, if you're a rescuer pulling from these pounds, then you have to protect yourself using the federal law Section 1982: http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=728 As for the citizens, put ads in the papers, and maybe even send out informative flyers (ask for the money to do so via a Chipin). You can also try to get social media attention via the various animal blogs that push shelter reform, e.g., YesBiscuit!. Who holds the contract with the pound? Don't give up. It may take years, and we're seeing progress even in TX. Probably the moderator would like us to take this offline by now. . . On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:* *** The problem here is that I'm in Texas. Killing is the State Sport. Unfortunately, most of the Animal Control Officers don't even know the new rules, which include acceptance of TNR as a way to control outside cats. They are still terrorizing people who have a small batch of backyard cats who are spayed/neutered and have their rabies shots. They are counting these cats in the 8 cat limit when the new code states specifically that they are NOT included in the cat limit rule. They recently reduced the number of
Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983
I've been at it for 20 years in August, on a large scale, but have rescued cats all my life, starting with being influenced by my parents who encouraged us to never look the other way. I absolutely agree - some people shouldn't breed! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983 After years in rescue, I'm so cynical that I truly believe if you did all the killing of cats and dogs on a large stage in a see-through dome, some people would view it as entertainment while the majority would hurry by, averting their eyes and telling themselves that it's just a movie, it doesn't really exist, it's not so bad, it's only animals and they don't have a soul anyway, according to most religions, or some other myth. They would acclimate to the situation and soon it would be like everything else in our lovely Society. People passing by the homeless and maybe throwing a couple of coins in a hat, people ignoring automobile alarms, people closing their windows when their neighbors are fighting to the point of violence, people voting against clean air, clean water, natural food because they are so afraid of Big Industry raising the prices of candy bars, LuLuPop cereal, iPads and iPhones. People sticking their heads in the sand and mumbling Just Say No when the idea of birth control for teenagers comes up and people wanting that cute designer kitten to match the living room sofa or that pure bred dog they think they can breed to make a fortune off the puppies by selling them at the side of the highway. This is so depressing I would advise you take a Prozac after reading it. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983 Whenever people say that, I tell them what it really is: The miracle of death! First of all, the cat will most likely have the kittens at night, when they're away, in schooland when they say that they get good homes for the kittens, how can they honestly reinforce the absolute need for spaying/neutering to the adopters when the example they set was the exact opposite? And for every kitten that is allowed to be born and a home found, a rescue kitten will die because homes are so scarce. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983 Oh how very true. I wish the people who don't neuter and spay could all see this!!! I get so sick of people who let their cats have kittens so they can witness the miracle of life! How I wish their kids could watch all those precious cats and kittens being killed!! Lorrie On 06-29, Natalie wrote: Exposing the killing horrors to the public is the best way to call attention to it; as the saying goes, if shelters had to kill animals in glass houses in town squares, they would stop doing it - if it's out of sight, out of mind, and easily swept under the rug., it will continue! People must become aware of it, mandatory spay/neuter laws must be passed, and legislators must stop taking money and be continually influenced by lobbyists who want nothing more than to stop it - breeders, many veterinarians, and hunting groups (YES, would you believe?) and many more you would never suspect, are against any spay/neuter legislation! But it's the ONLY answer! Natalie =^..^= P.S. Maybe all of the rescuers in this group who have ideas, should take this offline..let's put our heads together! It can be done! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
