[Felvtalk] NY Times: Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

[Natalie]

Very informative an interesting article, and make sure you check out the
ones available within the copy, too!

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/opinion/sunday/deciding-when-a-pet-has-suf
fered-enough.html?src=me
 &ref=general

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] NY Times: Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

[Edna Taylor]

personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their suffering.  
What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in bed in a vegetative 
state?  Who are we keeping that person alive for?  to what end?  If it were me, 
and I had some life ending disease or accident, I would want my husband to use 
what money we had, go out and get as much booze and coke as he could get and 
let me go out with a bang ;)  But then again, that is just my opinion ;)
 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:51:19 -0400
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Subject: [Felvtalk] NY Times: Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

Very informative an interesting article, and make sure you check out the ones 
available within the copy, too! 
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/opinion/sunday/deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough.html?src=me&ref=general
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] NY Times: Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

[GRAS]

Absolutely - that's what they can choose to do in the Netherlands..so much
better!

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Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 12:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their suffering.
What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in bed in a
vegetative state?  Who are we keeping that person alive for?  to what end?
If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or accident, I would want
my husband to use what money we had, go out and get as much booze and coke
as he could get and let me go out with a bang ;)  But then again, that is
just my opinion ;)
 

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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:51:19 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] NY Times: Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

Very informative an interesting article, and make sure you check out the
ones available within the copy, too!

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/opinion/sunday/deciding-when-a-pet-has-suf
fered-enough.html?src=me
 &ref=general

 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

[Lorrie]

Absolutely Edna. It is positively cruel to keep people alive
when they are suffering and there is no recovery in sight. The
only states that allow doctor assisted suicide are Oregon, Wash.
and Montana. It can't happen in my state of WV.  Dr. Kevorkian was 
my hero. I'll be 80 my next birthday and it terrifies me to think 
of not being able to end my life when I'm ready. I've signed a 
Living Will requesting NO heroic measures, if I'm terminal, but 
sometimes they keep you alive anyway.

Lorrie

alive-25, Edna Taylor wrote:
>personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their
>suffering.  What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in
>bed in a vegetative state?  Who are we keeping that person alive for?
>to what end?  If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or
>accident, I would want my husband to use what money we had, go out and
>get as much booze and coke as he could get and let me go out with a
>bang ;)  But then again, that is just my opinion ;)

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Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

[MaiMaiPG]

With those beliefs, please check into a Do Not Resuscitate Order.  LWs  
are great but stopping something once it is started is difficult.  A  
DNR can help keep measures from being started.

On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Lorrie wrote:


Absolutely Edna. It is positively cruel to keep people alive
when they are suffering and there is no recovery in sight. The
only states that allow doctor assisted suicide are Oregon, Wash.
and Montana. It can't happen in my state of WV.  Dr. Kevorkian was
my hero. I'll be 80 my next birthday and it terrifies me to think
of not being able to end my life when I'm ready. I've signed a
Living Will requesting NO heroic measures, if I'm terminal, but
sometimes they keep you alive anyway.

Lorrie

alive-25, Edna Taylor wrote:

  personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their
  suffering.  What quality of life does someone have who simply  
lays in
  bed in a vegetative state?  Who are we keeping that person alive  
for?

  to what end?  If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or
  accident, I would want my husband to use what money we had, go  
out and

  get as much booze and coke as he could get and let me go out with a
  bang ;)  But then again, that is just my opinion ;)


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Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

[Lee Evans]

The problem with euthanasia for pets is that most people will use it for their 
own convenience.  I have seen this happen several times and it's really 
terrible but there is no crime in killing an animal.  We do this every day to 
eat them, for sport, as trophies or just because we don't want them any more.  
They don't match the new sofa or they might scratch the new sofa.  I have a cat 
rescued from the vet clinic when the woman I was sitting next to who had a 
lovely white male cat in a carrier told me she was having him euthanized 
because he was an outside cat and it was too much trouble to call him in at 
night.  Another woman brought in her two older cats, lovely Maine Coon mixes, 
obviously still full of life to have them "put to sleep" because she and her 
husband were going on a world tour.  And a third woman was getting married and 
her husband to be hated cats so off went her 8 year old Persian mix.  Well, not 
exactly off.  I adopted the white
 cat.  I still have him.  He tested FIV+ because the woman had not bothered to 
neuter him as a teen.  He's in my little FIV+group, perfectly happy to be 
indoors.  The world tour people left their cats at the vet clinic and one of 
the techs adopted them and the idiot who was marrying a cat hater never knew 
that her cat was adopted by one of the secretaries at the vet clinic.  But 
these success stories happened because I was there and convinced the technician 
and the secretary that death was unfair to the cats and they agreed.  

Veterinary medicine is still for the benefit of the "owner".  Animals are 
considered property rather than individuals with the right to having a 
caregiver and the right to their own lives.  We choose not to see the suffering 
of a truly terminally ill companion animal because we don't want to feel the 
pain of the loss.  We choose not to see how unethical it is to kill millions of 
cats and dogs because there are "too many" around or they are positive for some 
disease that they do not have at the present time and may never actually come 
down with or any number of other reasons we use to murder non-human animals.

Everyone will eventually die.  It's a bad plan but we had no say in it.  
However, the idea that we have to kill animals because they might die of this 
or that is not ethical.  The idea that a human is so precious that we keep him 
or her alive way past reason is equally illogical and unethical.  I don't have 
any answers so I try to use logic.  I don't euthanize for convenience.  I allow 
maximum care for my rescued cats, for my FeLv+ cats and my FIV+ cats.  I watch 
to see if their lives have gone beyond the limit of being useful to them, not 
to me and then I accept the pain it will cause me and allow them to pass on.  I 
don't tell myself fairy tales about where they go.  I miss them and I accept 
the grief knowing that they are no longer in pain or distress.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





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Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
 
With those beliefs, please check into a Do Not Resuscitate Order.  LWs are 
great but stopping something once it is started is difficult.  A DNR can help 
keep measures from being started.
On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Lorrie wrote:

> Absolutely Edna. It is positively cruel to keep people alive
> when they are suffering and there is no recovery in sight. The
> only states that allow doctor assisted suicide are Oregon, Wash.
> and Montana. It can't happen in my state of WV.  Dr. Kevorkian was
> my hero. I'll be 80 my next birthday and it terrifies me to think
> of not being able to end my life when I'm ready. I've signed a
> Living Will requesting NO heroic measures, if I'm terminal, but
> sometimes they keep you alive anyway.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> alive-25, Edna Taylor wrote:
>>   personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their
>>   suffering.  What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in
>>   bed in a vegetative state?  Who are we keeping that person alive for?
>>   to what end?  If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or
>>   accident, I would want my husband to use what money we had, go out and
>>   get as much booze and coke as he could get and let me go out with a
>>   bang ;)  But then again, that is just my opinion ;)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

[Natalie]

There's a thin line between keeping someone alive on all kinds of tubes and
heroic measuresone has to really specify, and even then, they won't just
give you something.!  My mother was at the hospital at the hospice area,
after a stroke, with no hope - and she had a living will.  She was kept on
fluids and morphine, unitl she died.  It would have been so much better to
have had euthanasia!  Natalie



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Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Absolutely Edna. It is positively cruel to keep people alive when they
are suffering and there is no recovery in sight. The only states that allow
doctor assisted suicide are Oregon, Wash.
and Montana. It can't happen in my state of WV.  Dr. Kevorkian was my hero.
I'll be 80 my next birthday and it terrifies me to think of not being able
to end my life when I'm ready. I've signed a Living Will requesting NO
heroic measures, if I'm terminal, but sometimes they keep you alive anyway.

Lorrie

alive-25, Edna Taylor wrote:
>personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their
>suffering.  What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in
>bed in a vegetative state?  Who are we keeping that person alive for?
>to what end?  If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or
>accident, I would want my husband to use what money we had, go out and
>get as much booze and coke as he could get and let me go out with a
>bang ;)  But then again, that is just my opinion ;)

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Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

[Marcia]

My 3 other siblings and I took care of my Mom for 3 weeks while she died at 
home. Her request(:  hospice said no fluid, so she laid there with nothing all 
that time, struggling to breath, to swallow. Etc. I only cried one time during 
that 3 weeks, because I had a job to do that required quite a bit of mental 
strength and clarity. The day I broke down was when Timothy McVay was 
euthanized. I cried because my mother was suffering and that son of a bitch 
died effortlessly. People should have that choice and in some countries they 
do. But not here in the land of the free.

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On Sep 25, 2012, at 11:17 PM, Natalie  wrote:

> There's a thin line between keeping someone alive on all kinds of tubes and
> heroic measuresone has to really specify, and even then, they won't just
> give you something.!  My mother was at the hospital at the hospice area,
> after a stroke, with no hope - and she had a living will.  She was kept on
> fluids and morphine, unitl she died.  It would have been so much better to
> have had euthanasia!  Natalie
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:52 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
> 
> Absolutely Edna. It is positively cruel to keep people alive when they
> are suffering and there is no recovery in sight. The only states that allow
> doctor assisted suicide are Oregon, Wash.
> and Montana. It can't happen in my state of WV.  Dr. Kevorkian was my hero.
> I'll be 80 my next birthday and it terrifies me to think of not being able
> to end my life when I'm ready. I've signed a Living Will requesting NO
> heroic measures, if I'm terminal, but sometimes they keep you alive anyway.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> alive-25, Edna Taylor wrote:
>>   personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their
>>   suffering.  What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in
>>   bed in a vegetative state?  Who are we keeping that person alive for?
>>   to what end?  If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or
>>   accident, I would want my husband to use what money we had, go out and
>>   get as much booze and coke as he could get and let me go out with a
>>   bang ;)  But then again, that is just my opinion ;)
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

[Marcia]

Wow Lee! I love u!!!

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On Sep 25, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Lee Evans  wrote:

> The problem with euthanasia for pets is that most people will use it for 
> their own convenience.  I have seen this happen several times and it's really 
> terrible but there is no crime in killing an animal.  We do this every day to 
> eat them, for sport, as trophies or just because we don't want them any more. 
>  They don't match the new sofa or they might scratch the new sofa.  I have a 
> cat rescued from the vet clinic when the woman I was sitting next to who had 
> a lovely white male cat in a carrier told me she was having him euthanized 
> because he was an outside cat and it was too much trouble to call him in at 
> night.  Another woman brought in her two older cats, lovely Maine Coon mixes, 
> obviously still full of life to have them "put to sleep" because she and her 
> husband were going on a world tour.  And a third woman was getting married 
> and her husband to be hated cats so off went her 8 year old Persian mix.  
> Well, not exactly off.  I adopted the white cat.  I still have him.  He 
> tested FIV+ because the woman had not bothered to neuter him as a teen.  He's 
> in my little FIV+group, perfectly happy to be indoors.  The world tour people 
> left their cats at the vet clinic and one of the techs adopted them and the 
> idiot who was marrying a cat hater never knew that her cat was adopted by one 
> of the secretaries at the vet clinic.  But these success stories happened 
> because I was there and convinced the technician and the secretary that death 
> was unfair to the cats and they agreed.  
> 
> Veterinary medicine is still for the benefit of the "owner".  Animals are 
> considered property rather than individuals with the right to having a 
> caregiver and the right to their own lives.  We choose not to see the 
> suffering of a truly terminally ill companion animal because we don't want to 
> feel the pain of the loss.  We choose not to see how unethical it is to kill 
> millions of cats and dogs because there are "too many" around or they are 
> positive for some disease that they do not have at the present time and may 
> never actually come down with or any number of other reasons we use to murder 
> non-human animals.
> 
> Everyone will eventually die.  It's a bad plan but we had no say in it.  
> However, the idea that we have to kill animals because they might die of this 
> or that is not ethical.  The idea that a human is so precious that we keep 
> him or her alive way past reason is equally illogical and unethical.  I don't 
> have any answers so I try to use logic.  I don't euthanize for convenience.  
> I allow maximum care for my rescued cats, for my FeLv+ cats and my FIV+ cats. 
>  I watch to see if their lives have gone beyond the limit of being useful to 
> them, not to me and then I accept the pain it will cause me and allow them to 
> pass on.  I don't tell myself fairy tales about where they go.  I miss them 
> and I accept the grief knowing that they are no longer in pain or distress.
> 
>  
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
> neighbors too!
> 
> 
> From: MaiMaiPG 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
> 
> With those beliefs, please check into a Do Not Resuscitate Order.  LWs are 
> great but stopping something once it is started is difficult.  A DNR can help 
> keep measures from being started.
> On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Lorrie wrote:
> 
> > Absolutely Edna. It is positively cruel to keep people alive
> > when they are suffering and there is no recovery in sight. The
> > only states that allow doctor assisted suicide are Oregon, Wash.
> > and Montana. It can't happen in my state of WV.  Dr. Kevorkian was
> > my hero. I'll be 80 my next birthday and it terrifies me to think
> > of not being able to end my life when I'm ready. I've signed a
> > Living Will requesting NO heroic measures, if I'm terminal, but
> > sometimes they keep you alive anyway.
> > 
> > Lorrie
> > 
> > alive-25, Edna Taylor wrote:
> >>  personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their
> >>  suffering.  What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in
> >>  bed in a vegetative state?  Who are we keeping that person alive for?
> >>  to what end?  If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or
> >>  accident, I would want my husband to use what money we had, go out and
> >>  get as much booze and coke as he could get and let me go out with a
> >>  bang ;)  But then again, that is just my opinion ;)
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

[Natalie]

People always bring perfectly healthy pets to my vet to "put to sleep"(he
refuses), that, however is NOT euthanasia - many vets do it, many refuse.
However, many people are so hung up on having their pets killed, that they
won't allow anyone to take them, and insist that the vet kill them.  People
suck, that's all there is to it. My vet hates euthanasia, something must
have happened to him, by law, he has to insert it, but his vet tech actually
does it, while he runs out of the room, white as a sheet.  I once had to
euthanize our very old and sick dog and a cat with cancer, about to die.  He
just couldn't take two at one time..I was doing better than he was.  Natalie

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

 

The problem with euthanasia for pets is that most people will use it for
their own convenience.  I have seen this happen several times and it's
really terrible but there is no crime in killing an animal.  We do this
every day to eat them, for sport, as trophies or just because we don't want
them any more.  They don't match the new sofa or they might scratch the new
sofa.  I have a cat rescued from the vet clinic when the woman I was sitting
next to who had a lovely white male cat in a carrier told me she was having
him euthanized because he was an outside cat and it was too much trouble to
call him in at night.  Another woman brought in her two older cats, lovely
Maine Coon mixes, obviously still full of life to have them "put to sleep"
because she and her husband were going on a world tour.  And a third woman
was getting married and her husband to be hated cats so off went her 8 year
old Persian mix.  Well, not exactly off.  I adopted the white cat.  I still
have him.  He tested FIV+ because the woman had not bothered to neuter him
as a teen.  He's in my little FIV+group, perfectly happy to be indoors.  The
world tour people left their cats at the vet clinic and one of the techs
adopted them and the idiot who was marrying a cat hater never knew that her
cat was adopted by one of the secretaries at the vet clinic.  But these
success stories happened because I was there and convinced the technician
and the secretary that death was unfair to the cats and they agreed.  

Veterinary medicine is still for the benefit of the "owner".  Animals are
considered property rather than individuals with the right to having a
caregiver and the right to their own lives.  We choose not to see the
suffering of a truly terminally ill companion animal because we don't want
to feel the pain of the loss.  We choose not to see how unethical it is to
kill millions of cats and dogs because there are "too many" around or they
are positive for some disease that they do not have at the present time and
may never actually come down with or any number of other reasons we use to
murder non-human animals.

Everyone will eventually die.  It's a bad plan but we had no say in it.
However, the idea that we have to kill animals because they might die of
this or that is not ethical.  The idea that a human is so precious that we
keep him or her alive way past reason is equally illogical and unethical.  I
don't have any answers so I try to use logic.  I don't euthanize for
convenience.  I allow maximum care for my rescued cats, for my FeLv+ cats
and my FIV+ cats.  I watch to see if their lives have gone beyond the limit
of being useful to them, not to me and then I accept the pain it will cause
me and allow them to pass on.  I don't tell myself fairy tales about where
they go.  I miss them and I accept the grief knowing that they are no longer
in pain or distress.

 

 

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neighbors too!

 

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough


With those beliefs, please check into a Do Not Resuscitate Order.  LWs are
great but stopping something once it is started is difficult.  A DNR can
help keep measures from being started.
On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Lorrie wrote:

> Absolutely Edna. It is positively cruel to keep people alive
> when they are suffering and there is no recovery in sight. The
> only states that allow doctor assisted suicide are Oregon, Wash.
> and Montana. It can't happen in my state of WV.  Dr. Kevorkian was
> my hero. I'll be 80 my next birthday and it terrifies me to think
> of not being able to end my life when I'm ready. I've signed a
> Living Will requesting NO heroic measures, if I'm terminal, but
> sometimes they keep you alive anyway.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> alive-25, Edna Taylor wrote:
>>  personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their
>>  suffering.  What quality of life does someone have who simply lays 

Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

[Marcia]

Yes people suck.a very good friend of mine (who I had in a pedestal) just put 
her 8 year old perfectly healthy border collie put to sleep. I went to her 
house to see what happened and she told me that they just didn't want anyone to 
have to take care of her while they went here and there. I was shocked and It 
left me with a really bad taste in my mouth. Honestly, I can't stop thinking 
about it. What is WRONG with people???

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On Sep 25, 2012, at 11:37 PM, Natalie  wrote:

> People always bring perfectly healthy pets to my vet to “put to sleep”(he 
> refuses), that, however is NOT euthanasia – many vets do it, many refuse.  
> However, many people are so hung up on having their pets killed, that they 
> won’t allow anyone to take them, and insist that the vet kill them.  People 
> suck, that’s all there is to it. My vet hates euthanasia, something must have 
> happened to him, by law, he has to insert it, but his vet tech actually does 
> it, while he runs out of the room, white as a sheet.  I once had to euthanize 
> our very old and sick dog and a cat with cancer, about to die.  He just 
> couldn’t take two at one time….I was doing better than he was.  Natalie
>  
>  
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:44 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
>  
> The problem with euthanasia for pets is that most people will use it for 
> their own convenience.  I have seen this happen several times and it's really 
> terrible but there is no crime in killing an animal.  We do this every day to 
> eat them, for sport, as trophies or just because we don't want them any more. 
>  They don't match the new sofa or they might scratch the new sofa.  I have a 
> cat rescued from the vet clinic when the woman I was sitting next to who had 
> a lovely white male cat in a carrier told me she was having him euthanized 
> because he was an outside cat and it was too much trouble to call him in at 
> night.  Another woman brought in her two older cats, lovely Maine Coon mixes, 
> obviously still full of life to have them "put to sleep" because she and her 
> husband were going on a world tour.  And a third woman was getting married 
> and her husband to be hated cats so off went her 8 year old Persian mix.  
> Well, not exactly off.  I adopted the white cat.  I still have him.  He 
> tested FIV+ because the woman had not bothered to neuter him as a teen.  He's 
> in my little FIV+group, perfectly happy to be indoors.  The world tour people 
> left their cats at the vet clinic and one of the techs adopted them and the 
> idiot who was marrying a cat hater never knew that her cat was adopted by one 
> of the secretaries at the vet clinic.  But these success stories happened 
> because I was there and convinced the technician and the secretary that death 
> was unfair to the cats and they agreed.  
> 
> Veterinary medicine is still for the benefit of the "owner".  Animals are 
> considered property rather than individuals with the right to having a 
> caregiver and the right to their own lives.  We choose not to see the 
> suffering of a truly terminally ill companion animal because we don't want to 
> feel the pain of the loss.  We choose not to see how unethical it is to kill 
> millions of cats and dogs because there are "too many" around or they are 
> positive for some disease that they do not have at the present time and may 
> never actually come down with or any number of other reasons we use to murder 
> non-human animals.
> 
> Everyone will eventually die.  It's a bad plan but we had no say in it.  
> However, the idea that we have to kill animals because they might die of this 
> or that is not ethical.  The idea that a human is so precious that we keep 
> him or her alive way past reason is equally illogical and unethical.  I don't 
> have any answers so I try to use logic.  I don't euthanize for convenience.  
> I allow maximum care for my rescued cats, for my FeLv+ cats and my FIV+ cats. 
>  I watch to see if their lives have gone beyond the limit of being useful to 
> them, not to me and then I accept the pain it will cause me and allow them to 
> pass on.  I don't tell myself fairy tales about where they go.  I miss them 
> and I accept the grief knowing that they are no longer in pain or distress.
>  
>  
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
> neighbors too!
> 
>  
> From: MaiMaiPG 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
> 
> With those beliefs, please check into a Do Not Resuscitate Order.  LWs are 
> great but stopping something once it is started is difficult.  A DNR can help 
> keep measures from being started.
> On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Lorrie wrote:
> 
> > Absolutely