test results your interpretation/your advice
My baby boy, Gunnar, will celebrate his first anniversary with his two sisters, Kelly (17) and Meagan (8) and his better than a Dad Ricky on August 2. Can you help me interpret his initial test results from one year ago - we have decided that through our faith and prayers that he has thrown the virus (or never had it) and will NOT retest him (it doesn't matter, we love him). But...his initial test results were: Test FeLV Elisa Results Positive Reference Range Negative Units Antigen Test FIV Elisa Results Negative Reference Range Negative Units Elisa Can someone, in plain English, explain these FELV results, please. Your assistance in this is much appreciated. For the year that I have been a part of this list and reading your advice and stories, I TRUST YOU MORE THAN ANY VET THAT I COULD SPEAK WITH. You are brave people who sometimes take the worse and make it better, who through the worse adversity stand tall and proud and roll with the punches, who adopt kits who wouldn't normally be saved or given a home - I SAY MY PRAYERS AND GIVE MY THANKS TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. In my hours of need, each of you and your words were there for me, and my family, giving us faith, giving us strength and giving us the best advice on Earth. I WANT TO THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU (especially Catatonya) FOR YOUR HOPE AND GUIDANCE. MAY GOD BLESS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. As for me and family family of Ricky, me (Sissy), Kelly (17), Meagan (8) and Gunnar (2), thank you all from the bottom of each of our hearts. When it was needed, you truly saved the day. Gunnar is now part of the family because we were given the hope that he could safely live with two negative Sisters. I don't know what we would do without him - I also thank God that He made it impossible to adopt Gunnar out - I now get to keep him for myself. Thanks for your help. Thank you for EVERYTHING. You guys are God's gift! Take care and keep the faith.
Re: Info about IFA and Elissa Test
Guys, is this true??? Pos Elisa and Neg IFA is bad?? What's everyone opinion regarding what what Cracker's vet said?? Thanks!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/26/06 5:17:29 PM I forgot to mention something important. My vet had told me that when a cat is positive on Elissa test and then has a Positive IFA that the two positive results from the two tests is better then having a POS Elissa and a NEG IFA.He said when Elissa is POS and IFA is NEG sometimes the virus is hiding in bone marrow. He said that he believes that a cat has a better chance of throwing off virus if both tests are POS considering they arent a false/pos. He said best to recheck in 6 months and see what tests say. But he did warn me that just because Crackers is very healthy now DOES NOT mean he will always be that way and he may keep the virus permantly! But as mommies/daddies we NEVER give up hope. The one thing he said that made me down a little was that he suggests that I keep Crackers my only pet. I am aching for a kitten or 2 or 3. I miss watching Crackers having a play buddy. He loved Pokies. He said after the 2nd testing in March we can discuss that topic. I know most of you have multi/ cats POS and NEG. Dr. said if I was too adopt another POS Cat or healthy one Crackers now has a risk factor. So right now new babies is on the back burner. I just have to keep looking at all your great sites and Crackers loves sitting on my lap looking and the Kittys! Then we have our other babies:) much love and great thoughts to all love Kayte AND Crackers P.S. sorry so long _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
RE: Lola
Have any of you also had experience with Welless food? I bought cases of Wellness, hearing that no cat turns it down. Well, my three did!! I'm wondering if I should invest in Evo?? Your thoughts please. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/25/06 11:12:04 AM Hi Ioana, Welcome to the group. My kitties are on Evo too, and their poop stinks, but I don't know whose doesn't. LOL. I have heard people say that they don't like the Innova because it makes the kitty poop smell worse, but that hasn't been the case for mine as far as I can tell. Lola might have something else going on however. Maybe some parasites; I don't know. If that's the case, someone here will know. You might re-post with 'stinky poop question' as your subject line to make sure someone with that info. reads the post, because not everyone reads every post. That'll be an attention getter. lol. Good luck! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
Re: Traveling with a cat
I would just be sure the cage was in the least noisy area of the moving vehicle - away from the motor/engine and anything that makes noise. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/25/06 2:24:39 PM that sounds like an elegant solution - you'll be able to cover the cage with a mommy or daddy smelling blanket so she'll have a safe cave and she'll get some great sight-seeing:) cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this is off the subject but I was wanting to get some opinions on traveling with a cat. We are going camping this weekend in the Smoky Mountains in a pop up camper. My diabetic cat, Katie, will not allow anybody in our family to give her the insulin shots except myself and my husband. So if we go anywhere most of the time we have to board her which I hate. I worry about her the whole time and she doesn't eat good there. The vet leaves at 5:00 p.m. on Friday and 11:30 a.m. on Saturday. If anything happend to her there probably wouldn't be anybody there. So, I have decided to take her with us. I have a cage she can stay in inside the camper. I will not let her outside any up there. I figured she would be stressed and in a cage if I boarded her. She would feel better being with me. My mom will feed all our other animals. Do you guys think that would be O.K. Sorry this was so long. Cindy Reasoner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
Re: integration
God bless you, Wendy! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/25/06 3:46:51 PM Hey Susan, I have ten cats, four in the house, and six outside. Of the six outside, two live in the garage full time. Three come and go; they have other families to attend to as well. ;) And one doesn't like other cats, so she lives down the street. LOL. So I guess I care for six full time, three part time, and one not at all, but she's still wearing our phone number on her name tag and the people who feed her know she has a home. :) Wendy --- Susan Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As you already know, I have two - girls (Kelly 16 and Meagan 8). Gunnar (for now) tested ELISA +, with a retest scheduled for December 1. The girls have their second vaccination this Tuesday night. Tanya said to wait an additional two weeks after that. So let me ask you all this: The girls know Gunnar exists. We've brought him up in his carrier to spend time with the family. There's been a bit of mild hissing and a few paw slaps. We also have a cage for Gunnar, since he's just a young guy and might need to be contained for a bit - especially when no one is home. Please let me have your suggestions and hints as how to finally get them all together. I KNOW THAT YOU CAN ONLY MAKE ONE GOOD FIRST IMPRESSION. I don't want to cause permanent harm or resentment by introducing them incorrectly. And I certainly don't want any fighting! You guys have all been there, so your successes and mistakes would help us all. By the by, can we take a short poll?? How many cats do some of you actually take care of?? God bless all of you and your furry friends. And remember: God doesn't make mistakes. You're all together for a reason. It's just a matter of time to find out your reason for living. My reason is taking care and loving my two sisters, Kelly and Meagan, and now being here for Gunnar. We got Kelly at the Chicago Anti-Cruelty Socienty in 1992. We chose her. We got Meagan at the Chicago Ridge Humane Society in 1999 - she showed us her Dracula fangs like Kelly has and I knew she was the one. Gunnar, however, was DELIVERED to us like a Domino's pizza - God sent him ringing our doorbell. It didn't matter that I didn't order him and it didn't matter what toppings he had - God wanted him to live in this house. P.S. Gunnar also has Dracula fangs like the girls, so I knew that was my sign - God just saved me an adoption fee! ;D I look forward to hearing from all of you. I've said it before and I'll say it again - when it comes to experts, it's YOU guys. Not the so-called experts, and not the vets. I'll trust what you tell me over any vet any day. Keep up the good work, and keep the faith!! Susan F. Chicago __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
integration
As you already know, I have two - girls (Kelly 16 and Meagan 8). Gunnar (for now) tested ELISA +, with a retest scheduled for December 1.The girls have their second vaccination this Tuesday night. Tanya said to wait an additional two weeks after that.So let me ask you all this:The girls know Gunnar exists. We've brought him up in his carrier to spend time with the family. There's been a bit of mild hissing and a few paw slaps. We also have a cage for Gunnar, since he's just a young guy and might need to be contained for a bit - especially when no one is home.Please let me have your suggestions and hints as how to finally get them all together. I KNOW THAT YOU CAN ONLY MAKE ONE GOOD FIRST IMPRESSION. I don't want to cause permanent harm or resentment by introducing them incorrectly. And I certainly don't want any fighting! You guys have all been there, so your successes and mistakes would help us all.By the by, can we take a short poll?? How many cats do some of you actually take care of??God bless all of you and your furry friends. And remember: God doesn't make mistakes. You're all together for a reason. It's just a matter of time to find out your reason for living. My reason is taking care and loving my two "sisters," Kelly and Meagan, and now being here for Gunnar.We got Kelly at the Chicago Anti-Cruelty Socienty in 1992. We chose her. We got Meagan at the Chicago Ridge Humane Society in 1999 - she showed us her "Dracula fangs" like Kelly has and I knew she was the one. Gunnar, however, was DELIVERED to us like a Domino's pizza - God sent him ringing our doorbell. It didn't matter that I didn't "order" him and it didn't matter what "toppings" he had - God wanted him to live in this house. P.S. Gunnar also has "Dracula fangs" like the girls, so I knew that was my sign - God just saved me an adoption fee! ;DI look forward to hearing from all of you. I've said it before and I'll say it again - when it comes toexperts, it's YOU guys. Not the so-called"experts," and not the vets. I'll trust what you tell me over any vet any day.Keep up the good work, and keep the faith!!Susan F. Chicago
Re: integration
I totally understand. But if you haven't already, read the archives on this site. These folks - especially catatonya (my fave) - mix and have had no problems. I anguished over this, but these people helped me lose my fear. In two weeks, I will be mixing. Susan M. Franklin Legal Assistant International Patent Group WALLENSTEIN WAGNER, LTD. 311 South Wacker Drive - 5300 Chicago, IL 60606 (USA) Telephone: 312-554-3300 Facsimile: 312-554-3301 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/24/06 16:46 PM _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
Re: integration
Thank you! Susan M. Franklin Legal Assistant International Patent Group WALLENSTEIN WAGNER, LTD. 311 South Wacker Drive - 5300 Chicago, IL 60606 (USA) Telephone: 312-554-3300 Facsimile: 312-554-3301 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/24/06 15:15 PM To answer Susan's questions: We have 3 cats: 2 negatives and one pos. The pos just came to us last week so we're still novices and learning. But as far as integration goes, we didn't really do anything special. We really didn't have to since we aren't worried about stressing our healthy cats, and Scooter seems comfortable here so there's not a problem in keeping him away from the others and gradually introducing him into the household. One cat (the oldest) was chosen by me, while the other two were strays that picked us probably because they knew they would be cared for. When Karma came to the house about 7 years ago, she and Montana hissed at each other awhile but learned to tolerate one another. They've never gotten friendly enough to sleep curled together or groom each other, and on some (rare) occasions one will take a swipe at the other in passing. Now that we have a third, we integrated him by letting him in the house (no cages) and so far, except for some hissing at the food bowls, it's been fine. Scooter (FeLV+) can tell that he's third in the hierarchy and walks carefully when Karma is in the house but otherwise seems perfectly comfortable. The negatives can come and go using the cat door, so they aren't all three in the house together 24/7 which probably helps keep the peace. _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
Re: integration
Thank you! Susan M. Franklin Legal Assistant International Patent Group WALLENSTEIN WAGNER, LTD. 311 South Wacker Drive - 5300 Chicago, IL 60606 (USA) Telephone: 312-554-3300 Facsimile: 312-554-3301 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/24/06 15:15 PM To answer Susan's questions: We have 3 cats: 2 negatives and one pos. The pos just came to us last week so we're still novices and learning. But as far as integration goes, we didn't really do anything special. We really didn't have to since we aren't worried about stressing our healthy cats, and Scooter seems comfortable here so there's not a problem in keeping him away from the others and gradually introducing him into the household. One cat (the oldest) was chosen by me, while the other two were strays that picked us probably because they knew they would be cared for. When Karma came to the house about 7 years ago, she and Montana hissed at each other awhile but learned to tolerate one another. They've never gotten friendly enough to sleep curled together or groom each other, and on some (rare) occasions one will take a swipe at the other in passing. Now that we have a third, we integrated him by letting him in the house (no cages) and so far, except for some hissing at the food bowls, it's been fine. Scooter (FeLV+) can tell that he's third in the hierarchy and walks carefully when Karma is in the house but otherwise seems perfectly comfortable. The negatives can come and go using the cat door, so they aren't all three in the house together 24/7 which probably helps keep the peace. _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
Re: Smokey
My Sister had two dogs, but I would think this would apply equally to cats. If a cat/dog can't smell it's food, it probably won't eat it. Therefore, if your cat/dog has a cold/stuffed nose or allergies with stuffiness, there's always a possibly of a decline in the interest of food. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/21/06 1:05:13 PM Cindy, I totally understand. I am so sensitive to eating habits, because to me it's the first sign of bigger things. My Satch has not approached his food with the gusto that he did before he got this cold. He's fine - he eats, but it's over a longer period and he'll leave a bite in the bowl, where before, no way. He'd stop and eat bits of dirt, buttons, spots on the carpet on the way to his bowl for breakfast and dinner, inhale it, lick it clean to make sure, inspect the area around the bowl, and try to eat everything nailed down and not on his way back to me to tell me that he could handle a helping of seconds. This cat would have been rounder than he is long if given his druthers. So now, even though he's eating okay - it's not his normal and I don't like it. I'm hoping that with the identification and treatment of the cough source that my ravenous beast will be plaguing me again. Anyway, Wysong is good, Solid Gold, Felidae, Innova Evo (which just came out with the wet food a few months ago), Max Cat, Merrill - these are all good foods and I'm sure that there are more. Fancy Feast actually isn't a bad one either. Satch loves his Innova kibble first, used to love my raw food (now leaves some uneaten) second, and then last is canned food. He always has gone in strong, but loses taste for it. So your Smokey could be the same. Only using it as a back up and then variety is my tactic. Raw or cooked chicken (depending on your comfort level) is usually a favorite with most cats (I usually cut off a bit of whatever meat I'm making for myself if there aren't spices involved to give to Satch). Good luck, they can be so picky. Leslie From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Smokey Hello to everybody I haven't been able to follow all of the post because work has been very busy. I hope everyone's babies are doing fine. I had a question about Smokey. The last few days I have noticed he hasn't been eating very good. He nibbles but that is about it. I had been feeding him EVO and can food. I have tried different foods. I gave him some Purina Cat Chow and he seemed to eat a bit more of that than anything. I am not sure how good that food is for him. Tuesday night my husband took him to the vet to get an injection of Winstrol to see if that might help. He wasn't running a fever and he hadn't lost any weight. Last night I gave him some chicken we had for supper and he ate all of that. What kind of food do any of you use? He had a cbc done about 2 weeks ago and the vet said it looked really good. I hope I am not being paranoid about all of this. Any advice would be great. Cindy Reasoner _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
Re: Smokey and food
This seems to be a problem. My three cats will eat Fancy Feast - but only certain limited flavors. They really don't care for the new Medleys. They don't care for Friskie's or Iams. I bought $150 worth of Wellness canned food in all of the flavors and they really aren't interested. So they probably won't like Wysong or the EVO. And when you open a can and have to throw the plateful away, it's very wasteful and expensive. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/21/06 1:06:47 PM *How do you get your cats to eat that stuff?! Mine turn their noses up as if I've put sprouts in front of them! * On 9/21/06, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wysong is supposed to be good too. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that you could get Innova Evo in can my vet only has it in dry. I have been getting Smokey the Fancy Feast medleys. At first he would clean his dish but now he acts like he doesn't like it. He acts fine other than his eating. I didn't know of any other foods that were good for him. I think my vet may sell Wysong I think is the name of it. I may try that. Thanks for your help. Cindy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Cindy, I feed mine wet and dry Innova Evo. I also feed my geriatric kitty about a cup of cooked chicken and broth every night, which she is somewhat patiently waiting for when I get home from work, and a cup of chicken broth every morning, which she is impatiently waiting for as soon as I wake up in the morning. lol. I also feed mine as a treat the new Fancy Feast medleys, in the sea green cans. They have cool flavors like souffles and florentines. My cats LOVE them! You can get a coupon online at Fancy Feast right now. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to everybody I haven't been able to follow all of the post because work has been very busy. I hope everyone's babies are doing fine. I had a question about Smokey. The last few days I have noticed he hasn't been eating very good. He nibbles but that is about it. I had been feeding him EVO and can food. I have tried different foods. I gave him some Purina Cat Chow and he seemed to eat a bit more of that than anything. I am not sure how good that food is for him. Tuesday night my husband took him to the vet to get an injection of Winstrol to see if that might help. He wasn't running a fever and he hadn't lost any weight. Last night I gave him some chicken we had for supper and he ate all of that. What kind of food do any of you use? He had a cbc done about 2 weeks ago and the vet said it looked really good. I hope I am not being paranoid about all of this. Any advice would be great. Cindy Reasoner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
Re: Smokey and food
What are the votes on Wellness canned??? My little fussies don't like it. I bought every flavor - I wonder if they don't like the texture, as it seems creamier than Fancy Feast. They will eat the Wellness dry, though, so they're at least getting some very nutritious into their systems. I want them to have good quality food, no matter the cost, but they seem to like Fancy Feast roasted chicken, chunky chicken, fish shrimp and beef and chicken. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/21/06 1:08:11 PM Mine don't eat it; mine eat Evo. I just know others here have fed it to their furbabies, and it's supposed to be good quality food. :) Wendy --- Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *How do you get your cats to eat that stuff?! Mine turn their noses up as if I've put sprouts in front of them! * On 9/21/06, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wysong is supposed to be good too. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that you could get Innova Evo in can my vet only has it in dry. I have been getting Smokey the Fancy Feast medleys. At first he would clean his dish but now he acts like he doesn't like it. He acts fine other than his eating. I didn't know of any other foods that were good for him. I think my vet may sell Wysong I think is the name of it. I may try that. Thanks for your help. Cindy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Cindy, I feed mine wet and dry Innova Evo. I also feed my geriatric kitty about a cup of cooked chicken and broth every night, which she is somewhat patiently waiting for when I get home from work, and a cup of chicken broth every morning, which she is impatiently waiting for as soon as I wake up in the morning. lol. I also feed mine as a treat the new Fancy Feast medleys, in the sea green cans. They have cool flavors like souffles and florentines. My cats LOVE them! You can get a coupon online at Fancy Feast right now. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to everybody I haven't been able to follow all of the post because work has been very busy. I hope everyone's babies are doing fine. I had a question about Smokey. The last few days I have noticed he hasn't been eating very good. He nibbles but that is about it. I had been feeding him EVO and can food. I have tried different foods. I gave him some Purina Cat Chow and he seemed to eat a bit more of that than anything. I am not sure how good that food is for him. Tuesday night my husband took him to the vet to get an injection of Winstrol to see if that might help. He wasn't running a fever and he hadn't lost any weight. Last night I gave him some chicken we had for supper and he ate all of that. What kind of food do any of you use? He had a cbc done about 2 weeks ago and the vet said it looked really good. I hope I am not being paranoid about all of this. Any advice would be great. Cindy Reasoner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this
Re: Smokey and food
No.Smokey is probably thinking how well he's trained you! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/21/06 1:56:59 PM I know if one of my cats aren't eating off I go to the store to buy every variety of food they sell. It gets very expensive. After I feed Smokey I will give him about an hour. If he hasn't touched his food here I go with a smorgasbord for him. I know he probably thinks I am crazy. Cindy --- Susan Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems to be a problem. My three cats will eat Fancy Feast - but only certain limited flavors. They really don't care for the new Medleys. They don't care for Friskie's or Iams. I bought $150 worth of Wellness canned food in all of the flavors and they really aren't interested. So they probably won't like Wysong or the EVO. And when you open a can and have to throw the plateful away, it's very wasteful and expensive. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/21/06 1:06:47 PM *How do you get your cats to eat that stuff?! Mine turn their noses up as if I've put sprouts in front of them! * On 9/21/06, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wysong is supposed to be good too. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that you could get Innova Evo in can my vet only has it in dry. I have been getting Smokey the Fancy Feast medleys. At first he would clean his dish but now he acts like he doesn't like it. He acts fine other than his eating. I didn't know of any other foods that were good for him. I think my vet may sell Wysong I think is the name of it. I may try that. Thanks for your help. Cindy --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Cindy, I feed mine wet and dry Innova Evo. I also feed my geriatric kitty about a cup of cooked chicken and broth every night, which she is somewhat patiently waiting for when I get home from work, and a cup of chicken broth every morning, which she is impatiently waiting for as soon as I wake up in the morning. lol. I also feed mine as a treat the new Fancy Feast medleys, in the sea green cans. They have cool flavors like souffles and florentines. My cats LOVE them! You can get a coupon online at Fancy Feast right now. :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to everybody I haven't been able to follow all of the post because work has been very busy. I hope everyone's babies are doing fine. I had a question about Smokey. The last few days I have noticed he hasn't been eating very good. He nibbles but that is about it. I had been feeding him EVO and can food. I have tried different foods. I gave him some Purina Cat Chow and he seemed to eat a bit more of that than anything. I am not sure how good that food is for him. Tuesday night my husband took him to the vet to get an injection of Winstrol to see if that might help. He wasn't running a fever and he hadn't lost any weight. Last night I gave him some chicken we had for supper and he ate all of that. What kind of food do any of you use? He had a cbc done about 2 weeks ago and the vet said it looked really good. I hope I am not being paranoid about all of this. Any advice would be great. Cindy Reasoner __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: === message truncated === __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity
Fwd: Re: Fwd: positive cat
In addition, can someone assist me in changing my email address so I can continue to correspond with you all THANKS!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/19/06 9:10:49 PM Can someone tell Iona how to join the group? I think you go to the website and sign up. And I 'think' it's www.felv.org ?? tonya Ioana-Dina Rican [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:01:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Ioana-Dina Rican [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fwd: positive cat To: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Tonya, I don't know how to join your list. Ioana catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Please send advice to [EMAIL PROTECTED] She has not joined the list (yet, I hope)! Read below to see her questions. If you don't mind I'm going to forward this to the list. We have to eat veterinary diet food here because I have a cat that has crystals. I would certainly NOT worry about keeping these cats together. It is nearly impossible for an adult vaccinated cat to catch leukemia. Also, I let my vaccines lapse all the time and that hasn't made a difference either. Maybe you can join the list if you like. It is a wonderful list and a wonderful source of information. tonya Ioana-Dina Rican [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Tonya, I am the one that found the cat and brought her in the house. I retested her yesterday, they run the test twice and indeed it is positive. One of the other cats, which is around 6 years old, is caught up with the vaccines. The other one, which is 2 years old, had the vaccine and the booster in July 2004. I didn't do any vaccine in 2005 because I gave up on chasing her to take her to the vet. I did vaccinate her now in July 2006, but nobody gave me an answer if I have to give her a booster. What is your personal opinion? Lola, the positive one, is doing fine for the moment. She's gaining weight. For a medium cat she's 8.6 lbs. She would just eat all the time. I could not keep them separated because I didn't want to stress them and knowing that stress is an important factor in their health. What food do you feed your positive cats? My cats are used just with dry food. Do you know any affordable brand that is recommended? Ioana catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:30:53 -0700 (PDT) From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: positive cat To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Elizabeth. If both your other cats are negative, and especially if they are vaccinatedthere is very, very little chance your cats would contract the disease. I have had mixed positives and negatives for years and have never had anyone transfer the disease to any of my negatives. I'm on a list (and have been for over 10 years) of hundreds of people that mix with NO PROBLEM. I would be glad to send your email to the list for some reassurance if you are interested. There is really no reason you can't keep this cat. If I weren't over full I would offer myself. If you want more info. please feel free to contact me. If your negative cats are NOT vaccinated you could vaccinate them and then safely integrate. I have brought in strays after having had only their first shot and not even a booster yet and had no problems. tonya Louise Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plz cross post and contact Elizabeth below if you can help. -- Forwarded Message From: Elizabeth Burgner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:58:58 -0700 (PDT) To: Spot Society [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [atlantarescue] FeLV+ AND all-4 declawed cat needs home Lola was found at an apt complex in Norcross and has tested positive for FeLV. I'm driving her to LAP tomorrow to see if she's spayed; no spay scar is evident, but if she's not spayed yet she will be after tomorrow! The person who found Lola has 2 negative cat and nowhere to isolate Lola, so she needs a foster ASAP. Elizabeth Burgner __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | href=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GeorgiaAnimalWelfare/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmdmsyZmpoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEwMzExMDMyBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMDA4Mjk0NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzExNTM3MDEwMTc-;Start a new topic Messages width=106 border=0 You are receiving Individual Emails Change Delivery Settings Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe New Message Search Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved message search. Share feedback on the new changes to Groups Recent Activity 4 href=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GeorgiaAnimalWelfare/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJnNm4ybGxyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEwMzExMDMyBGdycHNwSWQDMTYwMDA4Mjk0NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMTUzNzAxMDE3;New Members Visit Your Group
Re: FW: Pet Rules
Can someone send me this? I didn't get/see it. It sounds so familiar THANKS!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/18/06 8:17:20 PM I loved it and will print it out. I LOL!!! when i read the bathroom having an exit and the king size bed part sooo trueand we all cant lie here. When we go to lay in our beds and our babies are so comfy we have to move around them. Of course we can't disturb them. Hope all babes and you all are great. Thanks for sharing:) Kayte _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
*** Detected as Spam *** Re: $$$ or Kitty Talk
I'd take my cat(s) without one moment to even contemplate taking the $$. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/19/06 10:29:02 AM I'd take the money...lol --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Hope everyone's babies are doing great! I was in Philly visiting my Dad in Hospital..He might come home on Weds!!:) There was a lady doing surveys and the one question was kinda interesting. It was would you rather have $100,000 or your cat ( or pet) have the ability to talk to you in English ( your language) for one week. Your cat could have a conversation with you. It made me smile because I'll always say to Crackers..Oh Daddy what cha thinking about. Tell mommy what you are doing. What would you guys do? Kayte __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
RE: Behavior Problems
And neutering provides many health advantages too. Neutering - it's a good thing. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/19/06 11:00:18 AM neutering would significantly address the issue. it's not just about mating, it's about mating/territorial behavior which, as i understand it, spraying is one such behaviors. Tracy [Original Message] From: Stephanie E Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: 9/19/2006 11:47:12 AM Subject: Behavior Problems Our FELV+ has developed a very bad habit of spraying around the house. Especially in shoes. He's also started urinating at our bedroom doors when we shut them to go to bed. He's intact because I don't believe in Neutering. (He's kept away from other cats, so please don't make that a huge issue.) I believe he might be happier in a home where he can socialize. Is there anyone on here who can take him? You can neuter him once he's yours. My other cat is very old FIV+ with multiple problems and they don't get along. He's feeling very left out, and I'm at the end of my rope with him. Any ideas to calm his nerves, or anyone who wants a beautiful 30lb white cat? Steph _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
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Once my girls are vaccinated and Gunnar is out of isolation (our basement), any tips and hints on the very best way to integrate them?? The girls know Gunnar exists, as I put him in his carrier and brought him up to spend time in the living room with us. We've also purchased a cage for Gunnar when there's no one home for supervision - which we'll use for a few months. But once we want them to roam free - even for short periods of time - your ideas would be appreciated. I sure don't want any major cat fights!! Thanks, gang!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/19/06 10:29:02 AM I'd take the money...lol --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Hope everyone's babies are doing great! I was in Philly visiting my Dad in Hospital..He might come home on Weds!!:) There was a lady doing surveys and the one question was kinda interesting. It was would you rather have $100,000 or your cat ( or pet) have the ability to talk to you in English ( your language) for one week. Your cat could have a conversation with you. It made me smile because I'll always say to Crackers..Oh Daddy what cha thinking about. Tell mommy what you are doing. What would you guys do? Kayte __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
Re: timing on FeLV+ test
Thank you thank you thank you. My girls go for their second booster on September 26. Gunnar is having his first IFA test on December 1. So you think TWO WEEKS after the last booster and Gunnar can join the family?? That is so wonderful to hear! He's a sweetie and I can't wait for him to be a part of us - learning the routines, teaching us stuff he knows and just being a family together. From the bottom of my heart, thank you all for your encouraging words, your knowledge and your love. P.S. Can anyone tell me how I can change my email address for this chat site?? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/16/06 8:02:25 PM Once your negative cats are vaccinated, boostered and then wait maybe 2 weeks... I would mix without worrying about dishes and litters at all. t Susan Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guys, as I've said before, are FANTASTIC. Whenever I get down about stuff I read on other Internet sites regarding mixing or throwing off the virus, I can always count on coming to you and getting an optimistic, truthful and knowledgeable answer. Thank you, thank you, thank you I will reschedule Gunnar's appointment for 120 days from August 3. Instead of re-testing with the ELISA, I will have the IFA test done. That is correct?? And if, God forbid, the IFA is positive after 120 days, how many more days would you recommend I wait before I retest again?? And are you guys okay with mixing?? My girls are 16 and almost 8. Gunnar is 1-1/2 or 2. The girls are in the process of being vaccinated. I'm sure they won't be grooming each other, so all I need to do is keep the litter box clean and worry about the food/water bowls. I can pick up breakfast/lunch/dinner dishes immediately after meals, but what's the best route to take regarding the water bowl? And I guess I would clean the litter box in the morning and when I get home each night from work. Does this sound like a safe plan? Any other suggestions would be appreciated. Again, thank you from the bottom of my heart for all your advice and words of wisdom. You've made a nervous sister to three cats a more calmer person. Like I told our vet, who said don't count on it when I told her we were literally praying to throw the virus, I trust and believe more in what I read on this site than I would the vet's office. You guys have been there, done that. And you've got love, which is the strongest feeling of all. God bless all of you and your kitties!! Keep the faith. Susan F. Chicago, Illinois sister to Kelly (16 - just had her Sweet 16 on Saturday), Meagan (7-1/2) and Gunnar (1-1/2-2). [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/11/06 3:07:48 PM retest using the IFA at a minimum of 90 days--i go for 120 days since most times it takes between three and four months to clear the virus--so unless you are absolutely sure that he couldn't have been in contact with an infected cat that entire amount, better to wait. statistically, 70% of those originally tested positive on the ELISA will test negative on the IFA--if you do not test too soon. as belinda says, even if an IFA is positive after 90-120 days, it's still not a definite--the virus can still clear itself. On 9/11/06, Nina wrote: I'm confused about who is asking what here. Who's the person that is using caps to talk with? Anyway, this was just posted on my feral list in answer to questions about ELISA vs IFA. I don't know this person, (and I hope he wouldn't mind my copying his post for our list), but his response seemed knowledgeable and even in my foggy state of mind, a reasonable explanation. I had thought that it wasn't possible to detect felv antigens in the bone marrow, (sequestered), even with an IFA. I thought I'd throw his comments out there for others to comment on. Nina the ELISA is about 100 times more sensitive than the IFA- but not as specific- which accounts for the high % of false positives. The ELISA detects soluble (circulating) P27 antigen while the IFA detects P27 antigen in nucleated cells, neutrophils and platelets, or in bone marrow cells. IFAs depend upon advanced stages of infection to detect the presence of antigen and thus will not usually pick up early infections or sequestered infections. The increased sensitivity of the ELISA allows the detection of early infections, transient infections, and sequestered infections that may not be picked up by the IFA. Neither the ELISA nor IFA will not detect viral latency, because during viral latency P27 antigen is not being produced. Susan Franklin wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/11/06 8:37:18 AM Susan, I would wait *at least* 90 days and then get the IFA test. WOULD I NOT WANT TO GET THE ELISSA TEST AGAIN??? ISN'T THE IFA TEST THE FINAL SAY??? IF THE IFA CAME BACK POSITIVE, WOULD I CONTINUE TO RETEST WITH THE IFA? AND HOW OFTEN? Keep giving the Mega C and good food and hopefully he will clear the virus. But if not and it could take longer than 90 days, he'll still be healthier with the supplements
Re: *** Detected as Spam *** Crackers Vet Visit GREAT NEWS!!
You and Crackers are two of the luckiest and blessed people on this Earth. God bless you and continued good news!!! Next time you see your new fave vet, you might think about giving that guy a big wet one! ;D [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/14/06 6:15:13 PM New vet is awesome..clipped his nails brushed his coat checked ears teeth temperature...rubbed him all over checked it all...I love that he only deals with cats! he said ohh crackers is a handsome moose LOL!! he said crackers is VERY healthy...he did kick the URI on his own so doc said that he has a great immune system...the only difference from 2 weeks ago is his weight...he was 13 days ago 18.6lbs now he is 19.1 lbs...he said that at this time he doesn't think that Crackers needs interferon and to come back in 6 months and he'll recheck the elissa and IFA but of course I should come in at any time I need to...he said that he has no symptons at this time!! I am s happy. I love the way he baby talked and handled cracker. He would talk directly to him. THANK YOU KAT I found him from your list:) Let me know If I can ever help you. Hope all babies are doing great:) kayte _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
Re: Welcome Beatrix!
Good luck and much love to all of you! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/15/06 11:14:50 AM Good news, good news, I have good news! My vet gave the okay yesterday on bringing a new cat home - he said that Satch wasn't contagious and prescribed another symptomatic medecine for his cough. So I ran tout suite to the humane society and brought home the first leukemia kitten (sister to Azrael) whom I've name Beatrix. I'll reattach the link to her on the humane society page, but they didn't put up a new picture and that one is probably 6 weeks old. So she's much bigger, but the description holds true. http://www.oregonhumane.org/cats/detail.asp?animalID=45154 I'm keeping my paws firmly crossed that her week quarantine develops no new URI's in her and that Satch's cough goes away completely even if he's not contagious. These two are going to LOVE each other. She is everywhere and she bites my nose, just like Satch does. (hopefully, they'll begin biting each other's noses and leave mine out of it!) She's fabulous and I'm so excited. Please cross your paws that they can be introduced in a week and that nothing delays the meeting! Leslie _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
Re: searching for a cat sitter
Don't vet offices usually have cards or information available? I just recently saw a card in our vet's office for a girl who walks dogs, feeds pets and gives medications. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/14/06 9:55:20 AM I don't know of any petsitters personally in your area but I was looking for a friend in a different area and basically did a google search cat sitter, brooklyn. Several sites came up. Here's one link I found ... http://www.meowhoo.com/Specialized_Pet_Services/Cat_Sitters/more3.html JENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI, Does anyone know any cat sitters that service the brooklyn area, especially the bed-stuy area. We are going away in a week and need a cat sitter. I had a coworker lined up but he just bailed on me. Every cat sitting service I have contacted lately doe not service my area. Two feluks at home, one lovable the other feral, can't bring them to get boarded. Healthy, not on medication. Anyone that knows someone please send me thier info. THank you Jeni Hillman Waller + Nookie the feral __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
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The flower essence is called Rescue Remedy - it's available from Drs. Foster _, online and supposedly at health food stores. It's liquid to put in water or on food or a spray (directly into the mouth). [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/13/06 12:01:52 PM I also started using flower essence (5 different kinds) to reduce stress and helps get everyone get along better --- if you would like, I can get the names for you (I just don't remember in my head right now..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t established cat and new cat When they are introduced please consider using lots of Feliway in the rooms, not on the cats, but on you and in the rooms, Super Catnip in the area and Rescue Remedy on the cats and in their water. Neither cat needs to be stressed any more than absolutely necessary. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:44 PM Subject: RE: o/t established cat and new cat My first instinct was to say, first own cat, then after a while, Kitty. BUT. Then I thought of my own move, when Gail and I combined our respective households -- me with Missy, Luc, and at that time Phoebe, and her with Tribble and at that time Kitty. We hadn't introduced them all to each other, even though we lived a hallway away in our apartment building. It just didn't seem like a good idea. When we moved, we weren't too worried about the females, who were all sort of loners and wouldn't have territorial issues. We were worried about our two big Alphas, especially because Tribble especially is so confrontational. But when we let them out of the carriers and they saw each other, it was literally like: (nose touch) Dude! (ass sniff) Dude! No territorial stuff at all. (It probably helped, in the long run, that this house has 11 rooms and they wouldn't have to see each other at all if they didn't want to, but they didn't know that then.) So I'm wondering if, since there will be big changes for both cats anyway, it would be fine to introduce them to the new place at the same time, and maybe there wouldn't be territory wars. I don't know. Might be completely dependent on the cats' personalities, whether the original cat NEEDS to be Alpha? Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 3:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: o/t established cat and new cat Hi guys I'm sorry I've not been on the list recently. (Trying to prepare to go to UK again while working on an adopter for one of my fosters.) As always, all sick kitties are in my thoughts, and my heart goes out to those that have lost beloved furbabies. I wonder if I could ask you knowledgeable folks a Q? The potential adopter of my foster, Kitty, took her own cat to her parents place while she moved house. She says she now wants to establish her cat in her new home before she takes Kitty. Surely it wd be better if she used this ideal opportunity to move them together into the new place? Any opinions much appreciated before I get back to her on this.I believe she plans to remove her cat tomorrow from her parents. Thanks as always Kerry IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. _
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That is very true. Thank you. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/11/06 5:07:01 PM One thing I always consider with testing -- the tests, the trip to a vet and drawing of blood, is really stressful for the cat. So if you have even a single positive ELISA test, go with the IFA next time. The less the cat needs to be tested, the better. TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'd definitely go for the IFA instead of the elissa--the false positive rate is just too high on the latter. i don't know how much actual research there is on how long it can take to clear on the IFA--i'd seen a cite of up to 8 months from exposure, tho that one no longer appears where i saw it. belinda says it was a year. part of the issue is that, if after all that time, the cats is still positive, does it really matter? for keeping on eye on things, yes, but if the kitty's been in your family that long, it's not likely that his status will really make much difference in whether he stays, is it? others will have more info re: mixing positives with negatives, and/or mixing unvaccinated negatives with positives. personally, i would vaccinate my negatives and mix with no problem, but there's an ongoing debate about the safety of vaccinations that each individual needs to weigh. MC On 9/11/06, Susan Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guys, as I've said before, are FANTASTIC. Whenever I get down about stuff I read on other Internet sites regarding mixing or throwing off the virus, I can always count on coming to you and getting an optimistic, truthful and knowledgeable answer. Thank you, thank you, thank you I will reschedule Gunnar's appointment for 120 days from August 3. Instead of re-testing with the ELISA, I will have the IFA test done. That is correct?? And if, God forbid, the IFA is positive after 120 days, how many more days would you recommend I wait before I retest again?? And are you guys okay with mixing?? My girls are 16 and almost 8. Gunnar is 1-1/2 or 2. The girls are in the process of being vaccinated. I'm sure they won't be grooming each other, so all I need to do is keep the litter box clean and worry about the food/water bowls. I can pick up breakfast/lunch/dinner dishes immediately after meals, but what's the best route to take regarding the water bowl? And I guess I would clean the litter box in the morning and when I get home each night from work. Does this sound like a safe plan? Any other suggestions would be appreciated. Again, thank you from the bottom of my heart for all your advice and words of wisdom. You've made a nervous sister to three cats a more calmer person. Like I told our vet, who said don't count on it when I told her we were literally praying to throw the virus, I trust and believe more in what I read on this site than I would the vet's office. You guys have been there, done that. And you've got love, which is the strongest feeling of all. God bless all of you and your kitties!! Keep the faith. Susan F. Chicago, Illinois sister to Kelly (16 - just had her Sweet 16 on Saturday), Meagan (7-1/2) and Gunnar (1-1/2-2). [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/11/06 3:07:48 PM retest using the IFA at a minimum of 90 days--i go for 120 days since most times it takes between three and four months to clear the virus--so unless you are absolutely sure that he couldn't have been in contact with an infected cat that entire amount, better to wait. statistically, 70% of those originally tested positive on the ELISA will test negative on the IFA--if you do not test too soon. as belinda says, even if an IFA is positive after 90-120 days, it's still not a definite--the virus can still clear itself. On 9/11/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm confused about who is asking what here. Who's the person that is using caps to talk with? Anyway, this was just posted on my feral list in answer to questions about ELISA vs IFA. I don't know this person, (and I hope he wouldn't mind my copying his post for our list), but his response seemed knowledgeable and even in my foggy state of mind, a reasonable explanation. I had thought that it wasn't possible to detect felv antigens in the bone marrow, (sequestered), even with an IFA. I thought I'd throw his comments out there for others to comment on. Nina the ELISA is about 100 times more sensitive than the IFA- but not as specific- which accounts for the high % of false positives. The ELISA detects soluble (circulating) P27 antigen while the IFA detects P27 antigen in nucleated cells, neutrophils and platelets, or in bone marrow cells. IFAs depend upon advanced stages of infection to detect the presence of antigen and thus will not usually pick up early infections or sequestered infections. The increased sensitivity of the ELISA allows the detection of early infections, transient infections, and sequestered infections that may not be picked up by the IFA. Neither the ELISA nor IFA
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Gunnar was first tested positive using the Elissa test on August 3. He just started eating Wellness wet/dry, and I started the Mega C on Saturday. When do you recommend I take him back for his retest? Is September 23 too soon? And should I do the Elissa again? And keep doing the Elissa until we (hopefully) get two negative results? When should the IFA test being taken? Please help me with the timing on this - I want my little man to throw the virus and be negative Keep the faith, keep your fingers crossed and take care. Susan F. Chicago _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
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He's at least 1-1/2 years old, possibly 2 years. He's in excellent health - good appetite, shiny coat, clear eyes. He's amazing. I have two negatives, who are in the process of being vaccinated, and they will mix. However, I want the very best for Gunnar and want to time our tests for optimum results, if possible. He came to us with a cut on his tail - in the process of healing. While his tail could have gotten caught in something, if it was a bite, that might be his exposure, right? Thanks for your help!! I LOVE THIS SITE!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/11/06 8:30:05 AM I'd give it at least 2 months. How old is he? Susan Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gunnar was first tested positive using the Elissa test on August 3. He just started eating Wellness wet/dry, and I started the Mega C on Saturday. When do you recommend I take him back for his retest? Is September 23 too soon? And should I do the Elissa again? And keep doing the Elissa until we (hopefully) get two negative results? When should the IFA test being taken? Please help me with the timing on this - I want my little man to throw the virus and be negative Keep the faith, keep your fingers crossed and take care. Susan F. Chicago _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you. _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/11/06 8:37:18 AM Susan, I would wait *at least* 90 days and then get the IFA test. WOULD I NOT WANT TO GET THE ELISSA TEST AGAIN??? ISN'T THE IFA TEST THE FINAL SAY??? IF THE IFA CAME BACK POSITIVE, WOULD I CONTINUE TO RETEST WITH THE IFA? AND HOW OFTEN? Keep giving the Mega C and good food and hopefully he will clear the virus. But if not and it could take longer than 90 days, he'll still be healthier with the supplements and better food, which gives him a better chance of fighting off any opportunistic diseases or viruses. WILL DO. THANK YOU. I had Bailey tested once a year for about the first 5 years by then it was obvious he wasn't going to throw it off, this is after the initial retest in 90 days. I had him PCR tested when he was about 8 years old and it was in his DNA. But he was healthy up until he got sick at almost 11 years of age, and he tested positive at 5 months of age, so he lived a very good life for about 11 years being positive. AND THANK THE GOOD LORD BAILEY HAD YOU!! I'M GOING TO DO ALL I CAN FOR MY GUNNAR. AND HOPEFULLY YOU DON'T SEE ANY HUGE PROBLEMS WITH HIS MIXING WITH KELLY AND MEAGAN (NEGS)?? I'VE GOT TO SAYTHIS SITE HAS GIVEN ME SO MUCH HOPE FOR OUR FUTURE. REGARDING MIXING, ETC. THANK GOD YOU GUYS WERE THERE TO TELL ME ABOUT THE WELLNESS FOOD AND THE MEGA C. MY VET WASN'T EXACTLY ENCOURAGING ABOUT HIM THROWING OFF THE VIRUS - AND OTHER SITES ARE JUST SO DOWN ON MIXING. God bless you all - you are generous with your time and advice and it's just so obvious how much you love your furry friends!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/11/06 9:51:42 AM Yes you could still give it a try later down the road, I have heard of a cat that tested negative after a year, so that's why I always say a minimum of 90 days. I tested Bailey for the first 3 years and he always tested positive, I figured after 3 years, he was positive. BUT OVERALL, IS HE HEALTHY? I also had both he and Joey PCR tested, it tests the DNA, the problem is the test is delicate and must be done correctly so choose a lab you really trust to do it right. Bailey was probably 8 or 9 years old at the time. Joey and Bailey were best buds so I figured if there was a possibility of anyone getting it it would be Joey. Bailey was positive, Joey was negative. WELL, IF JOEY STAYS NEGATIVE, THAT'S FANTASTIC. AND IF BAILEY IS HEALTHY, THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS. WHAT WAS THE MOMENT YOU DECIDED TO HAVE THE PCR TEST? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com _ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at (312) 554-3300 and also indicate the sender's name. Thank you.
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You guys, as I've said before, are FANTASTIC. Whenever I get down about stuff I read on other Internet sites regarding mixing or throwing off the virus, I can always count on coming to you and getting an optimistic, truthful and knowledgeable answer. Thank you, thank you, thank you I will reschedule Gunnar's appointment for 120 days from August 3. Instead of re-testing with the ELISA, I will have the IFA test done. That is correct?? And if, God forbid, the IFA is positive after 120 days, how many more days would you recommend I wait before I retest again?? And are you guys okay with mixing?? My girls are 16 and almost 8. Gunnar is 1-1/2 or 2. The girls are in the process of being vaccinated. I'm sure they won't be grooming each other, so all I need to do is keep the litter box clean and worry about the food/water bowls. I can pick up breakfast/lunch/dinner dishes immediately after meals, but what's the best route to take regarding the water bowl? And I guess I would clean the litter box in the morning and when I get home each night from work. Does this sound like a safe plan? Any other suggestions would be appreciated. Again, thank you from the bottom of my heart for all your advice and words of wisdom. You've made a nervous sister to three cats a more calmer person. Like I told our vet, who said don't count on it when I told her we were literally praying to throw the virus, I trust and believe more in what I read on this site than I would the vet's office. You guys have been there, done that. And you've got love, which is the strongest feeling of all. God bless all of you and your kitties!! Keep the faith. Susan F. Chicago, Illinois sister to Kelly (16 - just had her Sweet 16 on Saturday), Meagan (7-1/2) and Gunnar (1-1/2-2). [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/11/06 3:07:48 PM retest using the IFA at a minimum of 90 days--i go for 120 days since most times it takes between three and four months to clear the virus--so unless you are absolutely sure that he couldn't have been in contact with an infected cat that entire amount, better to wait. statistically, 70% of those originally tested positive on the ELISA will test negative on the IFA--if you do not test too soon. as belinda says, even if an IFA is positive after 90-120 days, it's still not a definite--the virus can still clear itself. On 9/11/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm confused about who is asking what here. Who's the person that is using caps to talk with? Anyway, this was just posted on my feral list in answer to questions about ELISA vs IFA. I don't know this person, (and I hope he wouldn't mind my copying his post for our list), but his response seemed knowledgeable and even in my foggy state of mind, a reasonable explanation. I had thought that it wasn't possible to detect felv antigens in the bone marrow, (sequestered), even with an IFA. I thought I'd throw his comments out there for others to comment on. Nina the ELISA is about 100 times more sensitive than the IFA- but not as specific- which accounts for the high % of false positives. The ELISA detects soluble (circulating) P27 antigen while the IFA detects P27 antigen in nucleated cells, neutrophils and platelets, or in bone marrow cells. IFAs depend upon advanced stages of infection to detect the presence of antigen and thus will not usually pick up early infections or sequestered infections. The increased sensitivity of the ELISA allows the detection of early infections, transient infections, and sequestered infections that may not be picked up by the IFA. Neither the ELISA nor IFA will not detect viral latency, because during viral latency P27 antigen is not being produced. Susan Franklin wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/11/06 8:37:18 AM Susan, I would wait *at least* 90 days and then get the IFA test. WOULD I NOT WANT TO GET THE ELISSA TEST AGAIN??? ISN'T THE IFA TEST THE FINAL SAY??? IF THE IFA CAME BACK POSITIVE, WOULD I CONTINUE TO RETEST WITH THE IFA? AND HOW OFTEN? Keep giving the Mega C and good food and hopefully he will clear the virus. But if not and it could take longer than 90 days, he'll still be healthier with the supplements and better food, which gives him a better chance of fighting off any opportunistic diseases or viruses. WILL DO. THANK YOU. I had Bailey tested once a year for about the first 5 years by then it was obvious he wasn't going to throw it off, this is after the initial retest in 90 days. I had him PCR tested when he was about 8 years old and it was in his DNA. But he was healthy up until he got sick at almost 11 years of age, and he tested positive at 5 months of age, so he lived a very good life for about 11 years being positive. AND THANK THE GOOD LORD BAILEY HAD YOU!! I'M GOING TO DO ALL I CAN FOR MY GUNNAR. AND HOPEFULLY YOU DON'T SEE ANY HUGE PROBLEMS WITH HIS MIXING WITH KELLY AND MEAGAN (NEGS)?? I'VE GOT TO SAYTHIS SITE
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You are sooo correct; after all that time, it really won't matter. BUT WOULDN'T IT BE WONDERFUL FOR THE DAY TO ACTUALLY COME TO CELEBRATE???! I've already told Gunnar - no matter what the test results say - HE WILL NOT SPEND THE REST OF HIS LIFE WEARING A LABEL. UNLESS, OF COURSE, IT'S A DESIGNER LABEL! ;D He's not going to be negative or (especially) positive - he's just going to be our newest addition, Gunnar. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/11/06 3:42:46 PM i'd definitely go for the IFA instead of the elissa--the false positive rate is just too high on the latter. i don't know how much actual research there is on how long it can take to clear on the IFA--i'd seen a cite of up to 8 months from exposure, tho that one no longer appears where i saw it. belinda says it was a year. part of the issue is that, if after all that time, the cats is still positive, does it really matter? for keeping on eye on things, yes, but if the kitty's been in your family that long, it's not likely that his status will really make much difference in whether he stays, is it? others will have more info re: mixing positives with negatives, and/or mixing unvaccinated negatives with positives. personally, i would vaccinate my negatives and mix with no problem, but there's an ongoing debate about the safety of vaccinations that each individual needs to weigh. MC On 9/11/06, Susan Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guys, as I've said before, are FANTASTIC. Whenever I get down about stuff I read on other Internet sites regarding mixing or throwing off the virus, I can always count on coming to you and getting an optimistic, truthful and knowledgeable answer. Thank you, thank you, thank you I will reschedule Gunnar's appointment for 120 days from August 3. Instead of re-testing with the ELISA, I will have the IFA test done. That is correct?? And if, God forbid, the IFA is positive after 120 days, how many more days would you recommend I wait before I retest again?? And are you guys okay with mixing?? My girls are 16 and almost 8. Gunnar is 1-1/2 or 2. The girls are in the process of being vaccinated. I'm sure they won't be grooming each other, so all I need to do is keep the litter box clean and worry about the food/water bowls. I can pick up breakfast/lunch/dinner dishes immediately after meals, but what's the best route to take regarding the water bowl? And I guess I would clean the litter box in the morning and when I get home each night from work. Does this sound like a safe plan? Any other suggestions would be appreciated. Again, thank you from the bottom of my heart for all your advice and words of wisdom. You've made a nervous sister to three cats a more calmer person. Like I told our vet, who said don't count on it when I told her we were literally praying to throw the virus, I trust and believe more in what I read on this site than I would the vet's office. You guys have been there, done that. And you've got love, which is the strongest feeling of all. God bless all of you and your kitties!! Keep the faith. Susan F. Chicago, Illinois sister to Kelly (16 - just had her Sweet 16 on Saturday), Meagan (7-1/2) and Gunnar (1-1/2-2). [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/11/06 3:07:48 PM retest using the IFA at a minimum of 90 days--i go for 120 days since most times it takes between three and four months to clear the virus--so unless you are absolutely sure that he couldn't have been in contact with an infected cat that entire amount, better to wait. statistically, 70% of those originally tested positive on the ELISA will test negative on the IFA--if you do not test too soon. as belinda says, even if an IFA is positive after 90-120 days, it's still not a definite--the virus can still clear itself. On 9/11/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm confused about who is asking what here. Who's the person that is using caps to talk with? Anyway, this was just posted on my feral list in answer to questions about ELISA vs IFA. I don't know this person, (and I hope he wouldn't mind my copying his post for our list), but his response seemed knowledgeable and even in my foggy state of mind, a reasonable explanation. I had thought that it wasn't possible to detect felv antigens in the bone marrow, (sequestered), even with an IFA. I thought I'd throw his comments out there for others to comment on. Nina the ELISA is about 100 times more sensitive than the IFA- but not as specific- which accounts for the high % of false positives. The ELISA detects soluble (circulating) P27 antigen while the IFA detects P27 antigen in nucleated cells, neutrophils and platelets, or in bone marrow cells. IFAs depend upon advanced stages of infection to detect the presence of antigen and thus will not usually pick up early infections or sequestered infections. The increased sensitivity of the ELISA allows the detection of early
