Re: [Felvtalk] Collars

[paola cresti]

Hi Lorrie, 
I've looked around and on ebay too, but I can't seem to find many bulk deals 
for 
cat collars.
The most I've seen was for 6 and they weren't break aways.
Where do you usually get them from? If you don't mind...





From: Lorrie 
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Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 4:09:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Collars

On 05-24, paola cresti wrote:

snipped..

> If they were indoor only I wouldn't worry with collars, but since
> they go out, I don't want them trapped/nabbed or harmed by evil
> people, so they know that someone WILL be looking for them.
> 
> It's scary to see them in trouble that time that they got
> themselves stuck with the collar, but in my experience they do
> learn pretty fast, and there are so many strays/ferals around that
> I want people to know "this cat is looked after!!" 

My cats have gotten their paws thru the collar at times, but now
they've learned to get rid of the collars without getting caught.
This is why I buy collars & ID tags by the dozen.

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Collars

[paola cresti]

I believe I read about it that the cancer cases were still few and far apart.
That being said monitor your cat, espceially the area where the chip was 
introduced.
I have one that can't climb my patio fence so she's inside only (goes outside 
when I'm there, runs back in when I jiggle the doorhadle - smart little 
critter) 
so she's chipped but collarless.

The others are in and out and though chipped I don't want to go through the 
time 
when they're missing and then I have to look for them, so they have a collar 
with no tag (the tags can get stuck, and if someone does pick them up they have 
the chip) that tells the neighbours "I'm taken care of!!"
But one cat in particular, in the beginning I've come home to find that he 
slipped his paw in the collar (and is now temporarily thre-legged) another time 
he got it stuck in his mouth or just that he's managed to get himself rid of it.
But they learn, he hasn't gotten his paw stuck in it again. He gets rid of 
them, 
but not stuck anymore. This one cat's a pickle though, he's gotten himself stuf 
on rneighbour's rooftops twice before (I had to get ladder and chase him 
because 
then he didn't want to be caught)

This was all the first couple of years I had him, he hasn't gotten himself 
stuck 
on a roof in the last 4 years, and he loses collars without getting stuck 
anymore.

If they were indoor only I wouldn't worry with collars, but since they go out, 
I 
don't want them trapped/nabbed or harmed by evil people, so they know that 
someone WILL be looking for them.

It's scary to see them in trouble that time that they got themselves stuck with 
the collar, but in my experience they do learn pretty fast, and there are so 
many strays/ferals around that I want people to know "this cat is looked 
after!!"  (the ferals are too, but I can't touch those)




From: Katy Doyle 
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Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 12:47:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Collars

Thanks Natalie. Knowledge is definitely power.

But I think I would rather keep the chip. You can treat cancer, but you
can't treat euthanasia at a kill shelter... :-/

Has anyone heard about tattooing cats? I know AKC dogs sometimes get
tattoos, but I have never heard of it in cats.

I want my animal to have some form of permanent identification on them in
case they get lost.

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Natalie  wrote:

> Yes, there is substantiation - my vet had a few cases; one dog's chip
> migrated and aggravated a nerve, couldn't walk until the vet discovered the
> chip
> I have the info somewhere; will send to you directly because it may be "too
> big" to be accepted by group address.
> Do they? Is there documentation on this?
>
> I mean, what doesn't cause cancer these days?
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Natalie  wrote:
>
> > But were you aware that microchips can cause cancer?  I got a cat from
> > death
> > row in NYC, and will have chip removed...it has already migrated!
> > Shelters and vets around me have gotten much better about scanning stray
> > animals that come through.
> >
> > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Natalie  wrote:
> >
> > > I JUST wrote about that, too!  I thought I was the only one that this
> > > happened to - nobody's ever mentioned it before!  Natalie
> > >
> > >
> > > On 05-23, Bonnie Hogue wrote:
> > >
> > > > Reminds me of the time I got Stormy a red collar with shiny
> > > > rhinestones. Oh, it looked so pretty on her grey fur! But every day
> > > > when I came home from work, the collar, still fastened, was sitting
> > > > right on the front step.  Cat's way of saying, "I don't even think
> > > > so." Sigh. ~Bonnie
> > > >
> > >>.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] RIP Miss Clara

[paola cresti]

So sorry to hear about your Miss Clara. I had to do the same to my boy just 2 
days before her.
We tried Interferon, or what they described to me as a new version of it, but 
it 
didn't help really... I think he already had the tumor when he walked into my 
house last July so I really feel close to your experience, though I feel I had 
my Scrappy for less time than you had your Miss Clara.

I hope you can get relief from losing her soon, she is not suffering anymore 
and 
am sure grateful for all the love you gave her while she was with you.
Paola





From: Sharyl 
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Sent: Sat, February 26, 2011 4:57:29 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] RIP Miss Clara

Alice, I was saddened to read that Miss Clara has crossed the Rainbow Bridge.  
We love them, care for them and in the end let them go.  In time your memories 
of the good times with Miss Clara will help you cope with the grief.  But it 
does take time.
You are in our thoughts and prayers
Sharyl





From: a h 
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Sent: Sat, February 26, 2011 8:17:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rosie's biopsy results-BAD

Alice, I wish you and your kitty well. My Miss Clara never took the interferon. 
She was diagnosed last July with lymphoma. I had to let her go yesterday. The 
disease finally beat her. I don't know how I will EVER be able to go forward 
without her.
Sincerely,
Alice Hanson



  
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[Felvtalk] Scrappy Angel over the Rainbow Bridge today

[paola cresti]

My little Scrappy boy was coming to the end of his fight, I only had him  for 8 
months when he walked into my home and was already in bad condition, hence the 
"Scrappy" name, I didn't think he was going to live 1 month. at that time. 
Though I should have named him Angel for all the love he gave me, he'd started 
responding to Scrappy so I kept calling him that.

I've had plenty of cats in my lifetime, not often do they care for face to face 
contact with people, but he'd look straight into my eyes lean forward and rub 
his cheek on mine, even placing his paws on my chest to stabilize himself when 
reaching for me (sometimes I wouldn't realize right away what he was doing).

The vet said he was 8 years old, so he must have contracted FeLV as an adult.

He'd stopped eating, had labored breathing and had taken to hiding. His sunken 
eyes lost any indication of light and so we stopped any more injections or 
treatments and I had to have him laid to rest today.

Thank you for reading, and for all the information and support I got from this 
mail-list

Paola
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Re: [Felvtalk] Purrayers for our Rosie

[paola cresti]

So sorry to hear that Alice, so sorry you're going through this so soon after 
Murphy.





From: Alice Flowers 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 8:07:59 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Purrayers for our Rosie

We thought she was the survivor-She is the last of the litter of 5 kittens we 
caught in Oct 2008. Her 4 brothers passed in 2009, a month apart. She made it 
to 

2 years, now 2 1/2tonight I felt a lump on the  left side of her neck. 
I 

am hoping our vet is open tomorrow. She is not showing any pain-I checked her 
neck and throat because she gagged a little tonight, but nothing came up. She 
had tonsillitis in January and was on Zithromax-she came out of that just fine. 
I am dreading this-we just lost Murphy in October from Lymphoma. Rosie was so 
lonely when he passed-she became depressed-slept all of the time, we were so 
worried-she checked out fine, we had her blood work done-all ok. We ended up 
adopting 2 negative kitties-a male that was 6-7 months old and a female that is 
9-10 months old. The rescue vaccinated each one twice for FeLV and kept them an 
extra month-their vet thought they would be fine since they were pretty mature 
and were already negative. She has been running and playing again and we 
thought 

all was well in the world. I hope this lump isn't Lymphoma.  Alice...owned by 
Rosie, Sachi and Miso!!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is gone.

[paola cresti]

Alice, so sorry to hear his journey came to an end, but what a journey it was! 
He found a good home with you and thanks to you he had the best life he could 
possibly have given what was handed to him. He surely knew that from how he 
showed you his love. Will miss your updates (the improvement ones) and thank 
you 
for your constant retelling of his expriences, they have been a wealth of 
information for us "beginners" with this terrible disease.

Paola





From: Alice Flowers 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 11:54:05 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy is gone.

Murphy has passed to the bridge tonight to join Buster, Oni, Jack and 
Schatzi-Rosie's 4 brothers that passed last year. He was 2 1/2. Glenn and I saw 
in his eyes tonight that he was tired. He gave it all he had but in the end 
FeLV 

took him too.We will miss him so much-he filled the house with his incredible 
personality. He always ran to the door to greet everyone-he never knew a 
stranger. I will miss his big, poly-dactyl feet going clickity-click around the 
house and how he could leap up the wall and turn the light switch off and on 
when he chased the laser toy. Rosie will miss giving him vampire kisses-she's a 
tough love kinda girl and she is the last Mohican of the 6 FeLV+ kitties we 
began this journey with. Thanks to all of you for your kindness and caring. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie

[paola cresti]

That particular kitty passed away about 8 years ago, but it's great to know 
about, thanks Natalie!





From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 8:53:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw:  Bonnie

My vet has been using it for quite a few years...a blood test results
determine whether to us Calcitriol, however, not many vets are using it.  I
would print up some of the veterinary infos and ask the vet. Our cats were
always using a very small amount, 0.25mL.  It's not cheap and it has to be
formulated specifically for cats and dogs.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 10:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie

Oh my cat didn't have Calcitiol, I saw several vets and none ever brought it
up, 
I wonder how recent it is, if my cat didn't "qualify" for it, or if it
wasn't in 
use yet.
Yes my cat was getting a lot of fluids, drinking and subQ, and her pee
sometimes 
didn't smell.
Just wanted to put it out there so people kept in mind that sometimes it can
be 
pee even if it doesn't smell so as not to just disregard it immediately...





From: Natalie 
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Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 6:12:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw:  Bonnie

I have dealt with many, many renal failure cats - some urine may be quite
diluted if cat gets fluids daily; however, those that don't and don't drink
enough water, the urine can be quite concentrated.  I've also had an older
cat that didn't get sub-q fluids, and he always peed under himself in his
sleep. Every cat and every case is different, even if they all receive the
same treatment. But since most of the renal failure cats get Calcitriol,
their lives have been dramatically changed for the better and longer,
without many typical and expected side effects. Natalie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 1:28 AM
To: leukemia list
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie



Also pee doesn't smell much when a cat has kidney failure - just FYI as
there'd 
be other symptoms (drinking a lot for example) and also it's at an advanced 
stage that the pee doesn't smell anymore, because the kidneys can't clean
the 
body of toxins so it doesn't smell.

I don't think this is the case, but just so it's out there (I had a kitty
that 
lived with kidney failure for quite a while) also it wouldn't make the cat 
incontinent or explain why he's peeing where he sleeps.





From: Gloria Lane 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 11:41:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

If it isn't drool and it is pee, and doesn't smell, that could imply urinary

tract problems. 


Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, "Bonnie Hogue"  wrote:

> The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night.
I put 
>my hand on it and it didn't smell.  That's what throws me.  The black light

>trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with!
> I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent
hospital 
>following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly
loves 
>her Lucky.  She said, "Yes, he slobbers a lot."  So, maybe that is the
answer!
> - Original Message - From: "Natalie" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
> 
> 
>> Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I
used
>> to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the
>> drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else.
>> emia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie P-SPOT SOLVED

[paola cresti]

glad to hear that, certainly is better, incontinent cat would be no fun. I 
didn't think Lucky could have renal failure, so many people read these and 
since 
I've gotten so much good info out of others' stories I wanted to keep it out 
there that here is an occurrence when pee doesn't smell.
Go Lucky!

Paola





From: Bonnie Hogue 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 8:12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw:  Bonnie P-SPOT SOLVED

Paola
Thanks for that information.  But I think I've finally solved the mystery of 
the 
Pee Spot!  Lucky frequently spits up.  He'll be fine for days, then have a bout 
of spitting up almost clear liquid, 3 or 4 times a day.  I mentioned to the vet 
he spits up and the vet seemed unconcerned, saying cats are very susceptible to 
gastric upset.  I now think the spots on the bed were not pee, but spit up.  
I'm 
not sure if this is a serious issue; I'll mention it to the vet again.  But 
having him spit up rather than pee is a little easier for me psychologically, 
at 
least!
~Bonnie
----- Original Message - From: "paola cresti" 
To: "leukemia list" 
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 10:28 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie


> 
> 
> Also pee doesn't smell much when a cat has kidney failure - just FYI as 
there'd
> be other symptoms (drinking a lot for example) and also it's at an advanced
> stage that the pee doesn't smell anymore, because the kidneys can't clean the
> body of toxins so it doesn't smell.
> 
> I don't think this is the case, but just so it's out there (I had a kitty that
> lived with kidney failure for quite a while) also it wouldn't make the cat
> incontinent or explain why he's peeing where he sleeps.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Gloria Lane 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 11:41:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
> 
> If it isn't drool and it is pee, and doesn't smell, that could imply urinary
> tract problems.
> 
> 
> Gloria
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, "Bonnie Hogue"  wrote:
> 
>> The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night. I 
put
>> my hand on it and it didn't smell.  That's what throws me.  The black light
>> trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with!
>> I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent 
>hospital
>> following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly 
loves
>> her Lucky.  She said, "Yes, he slobbers a lot."  So, maybe that is the 
answer!
>> - Original Message - From: "Natalie" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
>> 
>> 
>>> Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used
>>> to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the
>>> drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else.
>>> emia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie

[paola cresti]

Oh my cat didn't have Calcitiol, I saw several vets and none ever brought it 
up, 
I wonder how recent it is, if my cat didn't "qualify" for it, or if it wasn't 
in 
use yet.
Yes my cat was getting a lot of fluids, drinking and subQ, and her pee 
sometimes 
didn't smell.
Just wanted to put it out there so people kept in mind that sometimes it can be 
pee even if it doesn't smell so as not to just disregard it immediately...





From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 6:12:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw:  Bonnie

I have dealt with many, many renal failure cats - some urine may be quite
diluted if cat gets fluids daily; however, those that don't and don't drink
enough water, the urine can be quite concentrated.  I've also had an older
cat that didn't get sub-q fluids, and he always peed under himself in his
sleep. Every cat and every case is different, even if they all receive the
same treatment. But since most of the renal failure cats get Calcitriol,
their lives have been dramatically changed for the better and longer,
without many typical and expected side effects. Natalie

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 1:28 AM
To: leukemia list
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie



Also pee doesn't smell much when a cat has kidney failure - just FYI as
there'd 
be other symptoms (drinking a lot for example) and also it's at an advanced 
stage that the pee doesn't smell anymore, because the kidneys can't clean
the 
body of toxins so it doesn't smell.

I don't think this is the case, but just so it's out there (I had a kitty
that 
lived with kidney failure for quite a while) also it wouldn't make the cat 
incontinent or explain why he's peeing where he sleeps.





From: Gloria Lane 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 11:41:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

If it isn't drool and it is pee, and doesn't smell, that could imply urinary

tract problems. 


Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, "Bonnie Hogue"  wrote:

> The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night.
I put 
>my hand on it and it didn't smell.  That's what throws me.  The black light

>trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with!
> I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent
hospital 
>following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly
loves 
>her Lucky.  She said, "Yes, he slobbers a lot."  So, maybe that is the
answer!
> - Original Message - From: "Natalie" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
> 
> 
>> Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I
used
>> to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the
>> drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else.
>> emia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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[Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie

[paola cresti]

Also pee doesn't smell much when a cat has kidney failure - just FYI as there'd 
be other symptoms (drinking a lot for example) and also it's at an advanced 
stage that the pee doesn't smell anymore, because the kidneys can't clean the 
body of toxins so it doesn't smell.

I don't think this is the case, but just so it's out there (I had a kitty that 
lived with kidney failure for quite a while) also it wouldn't make the cat 
incontinent or explain why he's peeing where he sleeps.





From: Gloria Lane 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 11:41:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

If it isn't drool and it is pee, and doesn't smell, that could imply urinary 
tract problems. 


Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, "Bonnie Hogue"  wrote:

> The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night.  I 
> put 
>my hand on it and it didn't smell.  That's what throws me.  The black light 
>trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with!
> I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent 
> hospital 
>following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly loves 
>her Lucky.  She said, "Yes, he slobbers a lot."  So, maybe that is the answer!
> - Original Message - From: "Natalie" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
> 
> 
>> Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used
>> to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the
>> drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else.
>> emia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's vet visits / what he looks like

[paola cresti]

Saw Murphy (and Rosie) on your page, you can tell his paws are really big and 
he 
looks really playful.
Poor sweetie, we're all purraying for him to pull through here (6 + 1 cats)




From: Alice Flowers 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Sat, October 23, 2010 7:53:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's vet visits / what he looks like

Murphy is the most beautiful black / white, sorta fluffy tuxedo boy. He was 
either a throw away or a lost kitty that was in with the ferals-he was a sweet 
and friendly boy-we posted his photos in the local newspapers and craigslist 
for 

a month, not one response. We then took him to clinic to neuter, vaccinate and 
find a foster home for him so he could find a family. I didn't want him to come 
to my home with the 5 FeLV kittens I already had rescued from the ferals and 
had 

tamed. The clinic called and said he was positive and was going to be 
euthanized 

unless I came right away and picked him up. So we brought him home and said it 
was Murphy's Law-LOL hence his name. He has the biggest paws with 3 thumbs (7 
toes) and goes clickity when he walks around the house. He is the official 
greeter, like a nosy puppyloves everyone. I was not a cat person, but 
raising the 6 kitties has me totally a cat nut job! I am smitten with his 
sweetness and will miss him so much. He has the biggest eyes, maybe part 
persian, has a fluffy coat, not real long but is soft and he has a spring 
loaded 

tail that is always straight up in the air. Even with all the meds and 
treatments he has had, never held a grudge, he normally comes into the kitchen 
and waits when it's time. His pic and Rosie's too are on my facebook (along 
with 

all my FarmVille therapy!!) if you want to see him, go to my photos and they 
are 

under my "random photos" album.   We only have 2 out of the 6 that we began 
with.  Alice Flowers-Clark
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Re: [Felvtalk] Wordsworth Please add to the CLS :(

[paola cresti]

So sorry to hear that, Sherry. many sweet thoughts to accompany him.






From: Sherry DeHaan 
To: Felvtalk 
Sent: Sun, October 24, 2010 8:57:53 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Wordsworth  Please add to the CLS :(

We lost this quiet sweet white boy with a crinkled ear thursday,it happened so 
fast.He would have been with us at Sids a year in January.Rest in peace 
handsome 
boy.
Sherry


"We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way"


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking

[paola cresti]

so, so sorry to hear that, have been catching up on emails and was so happy to 
read about his improvement a few weeks ago.

I realize baby food is usually enough incentive for cats to eat, but a kidney 
failure cat, with gastritis, I had some time ago still wouldn't eat it when she 
was having an "episode" and I'd add a pinch of salt to it to enhance it and 
she'd eat it (also warmed with some hot water)... don't know if it can help, 
poor guy sounds like he's gone through everything.
Paola





From: Bonnie Hogue 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 9:56:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking

Sending love and light to you and Murphy that this all resolves and he is 
feeling better soon.  Take care of yourselves, too folks.
Peace.
- Original Message - From: "Alice Flowers" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:44 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking


> He is still refusing to eat or drink on his own. I am using a little syringe 
to
> give him water and plain Pedialyte and also some watered down AD food from the
> vet. While I was at work today, Glenn was able to carry him to the litter box
> and he did pee in it (Murphy-LOL), so the plumbing is still functioning. He
> spends most of his time sleeping, but for a short while tonight he actually
> walked into the kitchen and sat down, I was able to give him his meds and some
> food and water with the syringe. He is still very pale and way too quiet. I 
>gave
> him a Procrit shot last night with a prayer that he will bounce back, but I
> don't know. Hopefully he will want to eat tomorrow. In July, he was like this
> for 2 days, then began feeling better fairly quickly except for the sneezing 
>and
> drippy nose. Got my fingers crossed and saying little purrayers all day long.
> Alice
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

[paola cresti]

message got too big and put on hold, trying again:






Hi yes, Thank you so much. There's a Sci-Fi book called "The door into Summer" 
and the title comes from the main character's having a cat and living in a 
house 
with lots of doors to the outside and when the weather's bad the cat has the 
"owner" open each door as he looks for the one that opens into summer.

I didn't intend to write so much in that email, but once I started it just kind 
of came pouring out - was sorry to post so much text, thank you for listening 
to 
those who read it.

Most of the time it works out ok with the cat-door (they're probably spoiled 
because of it) and luckily I live in Southern California, but when it rains and 
does get cold I close them in and then the whining starts.
I sometimes tease the main complainer and tell him "oh you want my attention?" 
so I pick him up and smother him for a while and put him on my lap. Strangely 
enough after the initial whining and pushing away from me with all his might, 
it 
does quiet him for a while (sometimes settles on my lap and sits there for a 
bit) - he's probably like "ugh no more of THAT!" ha  ha





From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 7:37:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

THIS IS FOR PAOLA I THINK - SOUNDS LIKE YOU LIVE AT MY HOUSE ITH THE IN AND 
OUT, 
INSIDE ALWAYS AND THE COMPLAINERS WHO DON'T GET WHAT THEY WANT.  FUN ISN'T IT.
 Natalie  wrote: 
> Thank you - will look next time we go.  We get the litter at WalMart and
> sometimes at Sam's Club if the other doesn't have it.  I will Google it
> tomorrow.  Natalie
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:04 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
> 
> OdoBan is available at Sam's and some WalMarts.  I can't say enough  
> good about it.  I prefer the vingar and water for regular cleaning.  
> It is safe and fairly inexpensive.  Google it ... the number of uses  
> and products it can replace is amazing.
> On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Natalie wrote:
> 
> > I haven't heard of OdoBan. There's also nature's Miracle, which has  
> > been
> > hyped...doesn't work so well.  I like" 0-Odor" (Zero Odor), and "What
> > Odor?", and Professor Amos' "RIGHT AWAY" - all safe for animals.  
> > I've tried
> > spraying 0-Odor in top of the litter and it really takes the smell
> >  away...but I usually sprinkle baking soda into the litter box after  
> > I've
> > scooped it; it refreshes and keeps the litter smelling better for a  
> > lot
> > longer.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
> > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:22 AM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
> >
> > It works great and so does OdoBan.
> > On  Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote:
> >
> >> hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >> From: Natalie 
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
> >>
> >> If you have "pissy cats", as I do, I found that the best cleaner is
> >> a 50/50
> >> white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all
> >> surfaces with
> >> it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not  harmful to cats  
> >> and
> >> environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a
> >> 1,000
> >> great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie
> >>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

[paola cresti]

hadn't heard of several of those, only been using nature's miracle nad it 
usually takes a lot of it (using it on clothes)

have used the baking soda for litter boxes, especially since I started using 
chicken feed, or also chicken/rabbit/small animal corn bedding, still waaay 
cheaper than any kitty litter, but I have a hard time with the corn smell



From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 6:56:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

I haven't heard of OdoBan. There's also nature's Miracle, which has been
hyped...doesn't work so well.  I like" 0-Odor" (Zero Odor), and "What
Odor?", and Professor Amos' "RIGHT AWAY" - all safe for animals.  I've tried
spraying 0-Odor in top of the litter and it really takes the smell
away...but I usually sprinkle baking soda into the litter box after I've
scooped it; it refreshes and keeps the litter smelling better for a lot
longer. 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

It works great and so does OdoBan.
On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote:

> hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: Natalie 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
>
> If you have "pissy cats", as I do, I found that the best cleaner is  
> a 50/50
> white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all  
> surfaces with
> it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and
> environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a  
> 1,000
> great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
>
>
>
> Melinda,
> I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the  
> city away
>
> from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the  
> street,
> small
> patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is
> rather
> small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the  
> patio) as
> they
> have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if  
> I'm
> outside
> and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can  
> get out
> easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me.  
> 2 of
> them
> if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive...  
> well one
>
> meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and  
> one is
> half
> feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but  
> she's
> adopted the  patios of several neighbours so I always know where to  
> find
> her.
>
> When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I  
> close
> them
> in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc...
>
> Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room  
> is the
> garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him.  
> Call him
> at
> intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up  
> on and I
> noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly  
> because
> he's
> so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing  
> the door.
> Had
> to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I  
> followed
> him
> out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while  
> prior to
> taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual  
> "walks"
> like
> a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from  
> where he's
> going
> and if I call him back.
>
> There  is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+  
> Angel
> (who
> is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just  
> visit the
> outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before  
> so once
> he
> took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady  
> and then
> took
> him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But some

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

[paola cresti]

late reply but I hadn't been reading my emails for a while and am jsut catching 
up now.
thanks for this tip too, much appreciated.





From: Cougar Clan 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 6:22:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

It works great and so does OdoBan.
On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote:

> hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Natalie 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
> 
> If you have "pissy cats", as I do, I found that the best cleaner is a 50/50
> white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all surfaces with
> it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and
> environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a 1,000
> great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
> 
> 
> 
> Melinda,
> I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the city away
> 
> from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the street,
> small
> patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is
> rather
> small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the patio) as
> they
> have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if I'm
> outside
> and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can get out
> easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me.  2 of
> them
> if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive... well one
> 
> meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and one is
> half
> feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but she's
> adopted the  patios of several neighbours so I always know where to find
> her.
> 
> When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I close
> them
> in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc...
> 
> Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room is the
> garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him. Call him
> at
> intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up on and I
> noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly because
> he's
> so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing the door.
> Had
> to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I followed
> him
> out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while prior to
> taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual "walks"
> like
> a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from where he's
> going
> and if I call him back.
> 
> There  is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+ Angel
> (who
> is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just visit the
> outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before so once
> he
> took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady and then
> took
> him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow he got
> it
> and that was the last time he chased him.
> 
> They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure out what
> you
> want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants to
> please
> you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but it's so
> sad
> that they would be made to feel that way.
> 
> Paola
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Melinda Kerr 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
> 
> I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild animals, most
> strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped) and the
> 
> likelihood of Fuji coming across and getting into a confrontation with
> another
> cat are very slim.  Most people who have cats brought them from the states
> and
> have already had them vaccinated.  Again, very few are actually let out.
> The
> speed limit on most of the base is less than 40 kilometers per hour (about
> 25

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

[paola cresti]

hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie.






From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

If you have "pissy cats", as I do, I found that the best cleaner is a 50/50
white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all surfaces with
it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and
environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a 1,000
great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia



Melinda,
I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the city away

from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the street,
small 
patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is
rather 
small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the patio) as
they 
have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if I'm
outside 
and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can get out 
easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me.  2 of
them 
if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive... well one

meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and one is
half 
feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but she's 
adopted the  patios of several neighbours so I always know where to find
her. 

When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I close
them 
in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc...

Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room is the 
garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him. Call him
at 
intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up on and I 
noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly because
he's 
so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing the door.
Had 
to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I followed
him 
out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while prior to 
taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual "walks"
like 
a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from where he's
going 
and if I call him back.

There  is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+ Angel
(who 
is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just visit the 
outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before so once
he 
took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady and then
took 
him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow he got
it 
and that was the last time he chased him.

They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure out what
you 
want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants to
please 
you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but it's so
sad 
that they would be made to feel that way.

Paola





From: Melinda Kerr 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild animals, most 
strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped) and the

likelihood of Fuji coming across and getting into a confrontation with
another 
cat are very slim.  Most people who have cats brought them from the states
and 
have already had them vaccinated.  Again, very few are actually let out.
The 
speed limit on most of the base is less than 40 kilometers per hour (about
25 
mph.)  I know there are a lot of things she can come across if she goes 
outside.  I'll probably keep trying to sit out with her as I have done since
she 
got sick.  However, if she occasionally manages to escape my clutches, I
won't 
worry too much!  She stays pretty close and always comes home in a couple of

hours.  I really am trying to do my best to keep her healthy and happy.  


Thanks again for your input and concern.  

Melinda and  Fuji  
On Sep 18, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Cougar Clan wrote:
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

[paola cresti]

Melinda,
I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the city away 
from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the street, small 
patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is rather 
small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the patio) as they 
have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if I'm outside 
and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can get out 
easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me.  2 of them 
if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive... well one 
meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and one is half 
feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but she's 
adopted the  patios of several neighbours so I always know where to find her. 

When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I close them 
in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc...

Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room is the 
garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him. Call him at 
intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up on and I 
noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly because he's 
so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing the door. Had 
to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I followed him 
out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while prior to 
taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual "walks" 
like 
a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from where he's 
going 
and if I call him back.

There  is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+ Angel (who 
is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just visit the 
outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before so once he 
took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady and then 
took 
him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow he got it 
and that was the last time he chased him.

They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure out what you 
want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants to please 
you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but it's so sad 
that they would be made to feel that way.

Paola





From: Melinda Kerr 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild animals, most 
strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped) and the 
likelihood of Fuji coming across and getting into a confrontation with another 
cat are very slim.  Most people who have cats brought them from the states and 
have already had them vaccinated.  Again, very few are actually let out.  The 
speed limit on most of the base is less than 40 kilometers per hour (about 25 
mph.)  I know there are a lot of things she can come across if she goes 
outside.  I'll probably keep trying to sit out with her as I have done since 
she 
got sick.  However, if she occasionally manages to escape my clutches, I won't 
worry too much!  She stays pretty close and always comes home in a couple of 
hours.  I really am trying to do my best to keep her healthy and happy.  


Thanks again for your input and concern.  

Melinda and  Fuji  
On Sep 18, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Cougar Clan wrote:
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update

[paola cresti]

Hi MC, 
sorry finally catching up now with my mail.
thank you so much for the input, it seems like we need to make our own way on 
this issue and forge ahead without data. Hopefully the Veterinary associations 
will follow suit.

I tried clicking on the link you gave me but it couldn't find it. I'll try 
making searches for "AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines"

Thank you again

Paola





From: MaryChristine 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 11:25:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update

in adult healthy cats, the stats are that 70% can be adequately exposed
until to test positive, and either never do so, or process the virus out of
their system. they also know that some percentage of that 30% who do remain
viremic, never become symptomatic, and are not contagious, even tho they
continue to test positive.

vets consistently forget, and we must consistently remind them, that the
SNAP (and IFA, actually) test not for antibodies/infection, but for
antigens/exposure--so a confirmatory test is literally vital.

sadly, there is just not enough research to say what the percentages are in
kittens--back in 2002, it was presumed that ALL kittens of positive moms
(many of whom probably weren't positive to start with) were be definition
positive themselves, and all were killed. when mom wasn't there to test, if
one kitten in a litter tested positive, or the litter's blood was mixed
(heaven forfend!) and was positive (again, remember, to ANTIGENS only), all
were most likely killed.

asymptomatic positive adults were most likely to be given a chance, while
kittens were far less lucky. hence no research pool.

in sanctuary settings, anecdotally it seemed that asymptomatic
kittens--especially of asymptomatic moms--who made it past six or seven
months of age (when mom's antibodies wore off? don't know, but kept
happening), and again past about 18-22 months (absolutely NO ideas on why
that's an important mark) would survive--these were UNretested cats,
remember.

kittens of sickly moms, or kittens who were themselves sickly -- not
necessarily REALLY sick, but just not as thrifty as others their
age/developmental stage--tended to do less well.

with retesting recognized as a necessity, with an IFA done at an interval
long enough to let the virus work itself out of kitty's system, the majority
of kittens tested negative. still do.

just no real data to 'prove' it.

paolo, have you seen this? *http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines*
*
*
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update

[paola cresti]

thanks for the replies and thanks Susan for asking a question one the one below 
from MC as I hadn't gotten it.
So far I've only gotten this one (through Susan) and the one from Fernanda 
about 
little Tommy - so awesome to hear he's negative and doing well kudos to you 
guys 
for insisting on keeping him!!!

Susan if you get a reply from MC can you forward it to me again? I need to 
contact the administrator somehow and see if we can figure out why I keep 
missing posts :-(

Karen I got yours and it's so heartbreaking about your little Lovey kitten, you 
at least gave him a peaceful passing, and some warmth in the end

Paola



From: "Sander, Sue" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 11:46:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update

Can you please state the first paragraph in another way.  I'm don't know
what you mean by "the stats are that 70% can be adequately exposed until
to test positive, and either never do so, or process the virus out of
their system."  This is very important to me because I have a very
healthy cat who tested POSITIVE one year ago.  He was a stray.  This is
the second year I'm taking him to have his teeth cleaned because the vet
said she can see signs of FELV+ by his teeth (not her exact words).  

So what percentage of the 70% and the 30% are the cats who become ill?
I began giving my cat the MEGA C a little over a year ago.

Thanks very much.

Susan

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens/Tommy Update

in adult healthy cats, the stats are that 70% can be adequately exposed
until to test positive, and either never do so, or process the virus out
of
their system. they also know that some percentage of that 30% who do
remain
viremic, never become symptomatic, and are not contagious, even tho they
continue to test positive.

vets consistently forget, and we must consistently remind them, that the
SNAP (and IFA, actually) test not for antibodies/infection, but for
antigens/exposure--so a confirmatory test is literally vital.

sadly, there is just not enough research to say what the percentages are
in
kittens--back in 2002, it was presumed that ALL kittens of positive moms
(many of whom probably weren't positive to start with) were be
definition
positive themselves, and all were killed. when mom wasn't there to test,
if
one kitten in a litter tested positive, or the litter's blood was mixed
(heaven forfend!) and was positive (again, remember, to ANTIGENS only),
all
were most likely killed.

asymptomatic positive adults were most likely to be given a chance,
while
kittens were far less lucky. hence no research pool.

in sanctuary settings, anecdotally it seemed that asymptomatic
kittens--especially of asymptomatic moms--who made it past six or seven
months of age (when mom's antibodies wore off? don't know, but kept
happening), and again past about 18-22 months (absolutely NO ideas on
why
that's an important mark) would survive--these were UNretested cats,
remember.

kittens of sickly moms, or kittens who were themselves sickly -- not
necessarily REALLY sick, but just not as thrifty as others their
age/developmental stage--tended to do less well.

with retesting recognized as a necessity, with an IFA done at an
interval
long enough to let the virus work itself out of kitty's system, the
majority
of kittens tested negative. still do.

just no real data to 'prove' it.

paolo, have you seen this?
*http://tinyurl.com/AAFP-Retrovirus-Guidelines*
*
*
MC
--
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Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine
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(www.purebredcats.org)
Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
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[Felvtalk] FeLV Re-testing for kittens

[paola cresti]

Hi all, 
I volunteer at a kitten rescue organization, and talking about all the loving, 
caring people on this listserv the people at the organization were wondering 
for 
those who have kittens that were tested positive, how often and how many 
(average if you've rescued many) turn out to be negative when/if re-tested 
later 
on?

It would be especially good to know in case we rescue kittens that test 
positive. Knowing of actual cases and occasions of kittens that turned out to 
be 
negative when tested later on would help a lot in dealing with possible cases, 
and trying to get them adopted.

thank you so much in advance, and I hope this gets through, several of my 
posts/replies to posts haven't been showing up (on my end anyway)

Best 

Paola
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[Felvtalk] listserv help

[paola cresti]

sorry for the out of subject but who should I contact if I seem to get some 
posts and when I make posts sometimes they show up and sometimes they don't?
thank you
Paola
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Re: [Felvtalk] cat litter

[paola cresti]

We've had it here (on the west coast) for a while, but (and I'd have to check 
again) the price compared to all the rest is quite higher. It's made from corn 
and was using it when I had kittens that were being potty trained (if they ate 
it it wouldn't harm them)
I use Swheat scoop now that is more cost effective I find if I mix it with 
other 
kitty litter it doesn't turn into cement.
In any case I scoop a couple times  a day since I have 6 cats (also why I can't 
afford World's Best... also I can't stand the smell of it... it's kind of 
yeasty 
and since I don't tolerate gluten it actually makes me a bit sick.





From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 8:20:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] cat litter

i have 8 cats so this litter is super great for me.
 Verna Monson  wrote: 
> 
> I've been using this cat litter for a few months now, and am amazed at how 
> cost 
>effective it is. Although the price per bag seems high, it's very efficient, 
>and 
>I find a bag lasts a long time. Two cats, one geriatric, Beatrice; one FeLV 
>positive at 14 months, named Gabriel, and healthy as an ox. 
>
> Verna
> 
> 
> > Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:50:44 -0500
> > From: dlg...@windstream.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] cat litter
> > 
> > hello everyone,
> > 
> > just found a great new litter called World's Best Cat Litter.  i found it 
> > at 
>Tractor Supply in Troy, Mo., but they are starting to sell through  PetsMart 
>and 
>PetCo.  it comes in 3 diferent sizes.  it is great, a 17 lb bag costs $10.00 
>and 
>it lasts longer than clay litter.  best of all, it is gound up corn so it is 
>biodegradeable, light weight compared to clay, clumps really good (even Dee 
>can't break up the clumps), doesn't smell and lasts longer because you can get 
>out whole clumps and don't waste as much.  i called them and they sent me a 
>$3.00 coupon.  also sent me to Smart Source.com where i got another $3.00 
>coupon.  they started out in New York area and now are spreading across the 
>country.  i live in the country so i just made another compost pile for the 
>cat 
>litter.  even if you are in the city and cannot have compost piles, when it 
>gets 
>to the landfil, it will break down and not hurt the environment. 
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude

[paola cresti]

Hi Julie, 
I took in a stray that turned out to be FeLV+ at the same time you did (2 days 
before 4rth of July) so I really feel for you.
My little Angel is doing ok for now, but when I first took him to the vet I was 
thinking he'd be lasting a month or so as well, and the feeling was terrible 
and 
wanted to give him the best time being as possible, not having to wonder where 
his next meal was coming from or run from other stray/feral cats in the area.
Your little Dude had a little luck in the end.





From: Julie G. 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tue, August 3, 2010 3:31:17 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude

Hi I've been lurking a few weeks.  In July I picked up a stray that turned out 
to be FELV+.  In his few weeks with me he gained a pound, had a cushy bed, 
delicious premium canned food, and all the snuggles I had time to give him, 
since he lived in the basement while I tried to figure out where he could live 
(I have 4 cats).  I'd watch movies on the laptop with him on my lap, snoozing 
away happily.  He always seemed a little wobbly, and his pupils were always 
different sizes.  But he was relatively happy so we kept on.  Last night his 
back legs didnt work.  This had happened before, my pet sitter said, but they 
always came back "on" after a while.  But this morning they still didnt work.  
The vet examined and confirmed that he had tumors pressing on his spinal cord.  
He was in pain and his entire back end didn't do what he wanted it too.  So the 
decision was made to let him go.  


He'd been living under porches on my block for at least a few months when we 
finally caught him.  I'm so glad we did, I cant imagine what a frustrating, 
frightening life he'd be having out on the street right now, starving, full of 
tape worm, and 2 back legs that wont work.  I'm crushed that we couldnt give 
him 

a better life, and for longer, but I'm glad we got to him when he needed us, 
and 

filled his belly and his heart for a few weeks.  Safe and comfy and within a 
foot of food at all times. :)

Anyway, I dont know anything about FELV, this was my first introduction to 
it... 

so I dont exactly know how the tumors are related (cancer?)... but I wanted to 
drop a line to folks who understand.  He wasnt my kitty for long, but he was my 
kitty.


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy Update-doing better!

[paola cresti]

awesome news!





From: Laurieskatz 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 12:42:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy Update-doing better!

YAY!!!

"Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of
a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way." ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 2:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy Update-doing better!

A week ago I thought it was over because he was so lethargic and anemic-the
vet 
visit on 7/23 showed on the in-office test a PCV 18.5% and TP 4.2 (I'm not 
totally sure what the TP is). His gums were pale, almost white and he was
barely 
eating-it comes on so fast. We started him on Procrit 3 injections a week,
doxy 
2x a day and an iron supplement capsule 1x a day. Interferon 2x a day. We
also 
gave both he and Rosie their LTCI injection-it was 4 weeks from the last
one. 
His lab CBC came back with RBC 3.52 HGB 5.1 and HCT 22.5 Lymphocytes 5. He
has 
also lost a little over a pound since January, but isn't thin.  A week later
on 
7/29 we took him in for an in-office test  (Thursday) his PCV 23% and TP
5.0-he 
is acting like his old self again-racing me into the kitchen, standing on
his 
hind legs and grabbing the cabinet door with his huge paws and banging the
door 
until he gets a treat! He is back to jumping to the top of the bookcase in
the 
spare room-the eagle is back! He is still resting  more than usual-but isn't

wiped out like before-if he hears something interesting, he just has to see
what 
it is-Mr Nosy! I am hopeful that he continues to improve-I don't know what 
triggers the anemia, in January his HCT 39.5  HGB 14.4 and RBC 10.85. He is
so 
good natured-you can give him his shot and pills and he still follows like a

puppy and never gets difficult to doctor.  Alice and Glenn humans owned by 
Murphy and Rosie!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Ft. Worth Texas resources?

[paola cresti]

there is a group online called Alley Cat Allies that provides a lot of 
information and support for TNR especially
http://www.alleycat.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=191
They are also on Facebook

They are located in the East Coast (Washington area) but through them she might 
find people who tend cat colonies in her area and other support, and also good 
source for information for her.


hope this helps

Paola





From: Laurieskatz 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 3:31:17 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Ft. Worth Texas resources?

Does anyone know anyone in the Ft. Worth Texas area who might be able to
suggest resources to a woman feeding some cats?It sounds like there is a
male who shows up every couple years with a new mom and kittens in tow.
Sounds like they need vetting (altering at a minimum) and possibly placement
assistance? She is leaving the country for the month of September. SIGH.I am
in Iowa. 
Thanks for any ideas. 
Laurie

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a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way." ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.




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[Felvtalk] new angels

[paola cresti]

So sorry about all the recent kitties passing on. Am new to this site but if 
I've learned anything thus far is that they were loved and thanks to you had 
the 
best possible life here with us given their circumstances.

Paola
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Re: [Felvtalk] hemobartonella and possible FeLV interested party in NY!

[paola cresti]

Hi Rachel, 
I'd gotten a hit from someone that said she had a friend in NY that had already 
2 FeLV+ kitties and if I lived close she'd ask her, off the Alley Cat Allies 
Facebook page. So it's a degree removed but I can either find that post and ask 
her and put you in contact somehow or if you have a facebook account you might 
find more help as well as Alley Cat Allies is located on the East coast (near 
or 
in Washington I think)
Paola





From: "rache20...@aol.com" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 8:17:02 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] hemobartonella and possible FeLV interested party in NY!

I have 2 questions! One fl\or Paola and one for Beth. Paola, I would love to 
know who in NY is even somewhat interested in an FeLV+ cat as I have one who 
may 
or may not need a home and I just brought 2 kittens to a sanctuary yesterday, 
and I owuld love for them to have a real home (I live in NY). Also, Beth, I 
just 
had my rescue cat who has FeLV diagnosed today with hemobartonella and I have a 
really bad feeling about it. She is not eating well, is depressed, lost 1.5 lbs 
in a little over a month (and she was skinny before). She was 5.5lbs and is now 
4 lbs. I'm really worried and sad for her and I want to do all I can to help, 
but I don't want to make her suffer, and I have three of my own cats to worry 
about plus all the other rescues. This is getting very costly! So if you know 
of 
something that might help the hemobartonella, please let me know! Thanks
Rachel

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Re: to Paola - Mixing positives & negatives

[paola cresti]

Thanks you all so much for your input.
It's really helpful to know it can work.
All my cats are adults and indoor/outdoor hence they were vaccinated and 
chances 
are they've mingled in places where FeLV+ cats had been.. hopefully it means 
it's working and/or they are immune.
I will exercise caution just the same as one is also Diabetic.

Thanks you so much and kudos to all of you for also not giving up on a kitty 
just because they are infected with this terrible disease.

Paola





From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, July 16, 2010 7:41:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Re:   to Paola - Mixing positives & negatives

Paola, here is my two cents worth.  i have 8 cats, 2 are felv+.  my vet said as 
long as the negatives are up to date on their shots and the positives are not 
stressed out, have good food and given good care, there should not be any 
problem.  been 2 years + and still no problem.  they have hissing/slapping 
encounters, but no real biting.  everyone is fat, sassy and healthy, especially 
the felv+ girls.  of course, they were all at least 1yr old when i got them, 
not 
kittens.  i did rescue 2 kittens headed for animal control (take them out along 
the highway and shoot them) and i could not let that happen.  they were 
healthy, 
but i kept them seperate from others until they had their kitten shots 
completed.  since then, they rule the house.  my babies all go in and out since 
i live in the middle of the woods, not  a lot of traffic on my gravel road.  
they come in at night because of coyotes, etc.  going out gives all a way to 
work off the excess energy and be prepared for a full night's rest.
 Beth  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> Paola -
> 
> In the past I have always mixed my positives & negatives. I did this on the 
>advice of my vet, who said I would simply stress the positives by keeping them 
>separate. I vaccinated my negatives every 6 months, again, on the advice of my 
>vet. One of my FeLV negatives was an FIV+ & in all the years I mixed, none of 
>my 
>negatives, including my FIV cat, ever go the FeLV.
> Right now I do not mix simply because one of my negative cats has Stomatitis 
> & 
>I recently spent $3,000 saving his life from Hemobartonella, which we believe 
>he 
>got from a depressed immune system because of the steroids he is on. So, 
>understandably, I am paranoid right now about exposing him to anything else.
> But when I did mix (and I had 5 positives & 5 negatives for a long while), I 
>didn't separate them in any way. They all shared food, water, litter; they 
>groomed
>  each other, etc.
> All my negatives have been retested several times over the years & have 
>remained negative. 
>
> I even had a foster kitten who had FeLV & died from FIP. He lived in my 
> bedroom 
>with one of my negative cats for months. My cat never got the FeLV or the FIP.
> 
> Beth
> Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   
> 
> --- On Tue, 7/13/10, paola cresti  wrote:
> 
> From: paola cresti
>  
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 12:17 AM
> 
> a question, I saw posts from 2 people having FeLV+ cats in the house with non 
> affected cats. How do you gys manage that?
> I just rescued a stray that turned out to be incredibly sweet and FeLV+ but I 
> have 6 others that are indoor/outdoor  so they are all vaccinated for FeLV 
> but 

> since it's not 100% I am keeping rescue kitty in the garage and hoping to 
> find 

> someone with a closed household willing to take him as a sole cat or an 
> additional cat to a household with another FeLV+ cat.  Having no luck so far 
> (found a possible person with 2 infected cats in NY but I'm in Los Angeles) 
> 
> 
> I'm looking into what I must do if I keep him and for this I also joined this 
> listserv. Do you have them mingle? I figure food dishes should
>  definitely be 
> kept separate. My cats are indoor/outdoor and I caught a feral last year who 
>was 
>
> also FeLV+ so I'm thinking it's been going around and if they were likely to 
> catch it they might have already done so?
> 
> I know it's not an exact science but this cat's desperate about being left 
>alone 
>
> in a room, I sit with him for a while but when I leave he cries for a really 
> long time.
> 
> Sorry for the long post.
> thanks
> Paola
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

[paola cresti]

a question, I saw posts from 2 people having FeLV+ cats in the house with non 
affected cats. How do you gys manage that?
I just rescued a stray that turned out to be incredibly sweet and FeLV+ but I 
have 6 others that are indoor/outdoor  so they are all vaccinated for FeLV but 
since it's not 100% I am keeping rescue kitty in the garage and hoping to find 
someone with a closed household willing to take him as a sole cat or an 
additional cat to a household with another FeLV+ cat.  Having no luck so far 
(found a possible person with 2 infected cats in NY but I'm in Los Angeles) 


I'm looking into what I must do if I keep him and for this I also joined this 
listserv. Do you have them mingle? I figure food dishes should definitely be 
kept separate. My cats are indoor/outdoor and I caught a feral last year who 
was 
also FeLV+ so I'm thinking it's been going around and if they were likely to 
catch it they might have already done so?

I know it's not an exact science but this cat's desperate about being left 
alone 
in a room, I sit with him for a while but when I leave he cries for a really 
long time.

Sorry for the long post.
thanks
Paola





From: Beth 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 4:48:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

We are a huge shelter with cats mingling in rooms. I guess if you could hold 
each cat for 6 months & retest before introducing them to other cats you may be 
safe, but I don't see how any shelter could take that chance.
While we require our adopted cats to be indoor only, someone could rescue a cat 
from outside & introduce it without testing. Most people don't know enough 
about 
FeLV to understand what risks they can put their cats through. I vaccinate mine 
because I have FeLV cats in the house. 

Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   

--- On Mon, 7/12/10, Laurieskatz  wrote:

From: Laurieskatz 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 3:51 PM

I am curious about vaccinating them. I usually leave that up to the
adopter...my vet recommends agst the vaccine unless the cat is going to go
outside. I have not vaccinated my last cat and won't vaccinate the one I am
bringing home today.
My others were vaccinated several times before I discontinued FeLV
vaccinations. I test twice before introducing them and that makes me
comfortable with introducing them. (Mine are all negative - things might be
different if I had a FeLV positive living here).

"Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of
a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way." ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 2:35 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

Really...I got blasted for it by some very fair & trusted people!  Be
interested in hearing what happens with this, first and foremost, hope the
cats recover well.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Laurieskatz  wrote:

> >From a vet to whom I sent the warning:
> "Fort Dodge is notorious for questionable vaccine products. I will not use
> them - too many problems with them over the years".
>
> L
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:03 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
>
> I'm so glad that all are OK!  I don't trust any vaccines - besides, all
> vaccines do not guarantee anything; they are only 80% effective according
> to
> my vet.
> I assume that these were healthy cats that were vaccinatedwhy are they
> being vaccinated?  Will they be living with FeLV+ cats, outside in a
colony
> or adopted and allowed outside?  Cats were tested, were negative, then
> retested and were positive - was that after vaccines? I think I'm missing
> something here. Sorry - Natalie
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:39 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
>
> I work with Furkids. My best friend & her family stayed there until 1am
> giving fluids & taking temps. Luckily we didn't lose any of the kitties.
> What's worse the cats were testing positive for FeLV when they were
> retested.
>
> Beth
> Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
>
> --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie  wrote:
>
> From: Natalie 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date