Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
That is how my Shadow went. We were on th way to Missouri University with him and he passed on the way. Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: so sorry...you did your best. Goodnight, sweet Fletch... =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Marcia Barondamailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 12:26 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch Hi everyone Very sad night, fletch got really bad, started crying and having a hard time breathing. I called the vet and asked that he be put to sleep. Well, we didn't make it, Fletch died on the way there. I feel so bad that he had to suffer like that. But he no longer will. He was just a few weeks over a year old. He was loved so very much during his short life. Thanks for all your help Marcia Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Marcia, I was saddened to read that Fletch has crossed the Rainbow Bridge. You gave him a loving home for his short little life. For our FeLV that is the best we can do. Sharyl From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 12:26 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch Hi everyone Very sad night, fletch got really bad, started crying and having a hard time breathing. I called the vet and asked that he be put to sleep. Well, we didn't make it, Fletch died on the way there. I feel so bad that he had to suffer like that. But he no longer will. He was just a few weeks over a year old. He was loved so very much during his short life. Thanks for all your help Marcia Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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so sorry...you did your best. Goodnight, sweet Fletch... =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Marcia Barondamailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 12:26 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch Hi everyone Very sad night, fletch got really bad, started crying and having a hard time breathing. I called the vet and asked that he be put to sleep. Well, we didn't make it, Fletch died on the way there. I feel so bad that he had to suffer like that. But he no longer will. He was just a few weeks over a year old. He was loved so very much during his short life. Thanks for all your help Marcia Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Marcia, My heart truly aches for you. You tried so hard to do everything you possibly could. Don't beat yourself up, he is no longer suffering. RIP, Fletch, you have crossed the Rainbow Bridge where you will have playful and pain-free days! Hugs~ Lynda - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:26 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch Hi everyone Very sad night, fletch got really bad, started crying and having a hard time breathing. I called the vet and asked that he be put to sleep. Well, we didn't make it, Fletch died on the way there. I feel so bad that he had to suffer like that. But he no longer will. He was just a few weeks over a year old. He was loved so very much during his short life. Thanks for all your help Marcia Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Awww...Poor baby. Thank you so much for trying to help him. At least he knew he was loved. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 12:26 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch Hi everyone Very sad night, fletch got really bad, started crying and having a hard time breathing. I called the vet and asked that he be put to sleep. Well, we didn't make it, Fletch died on the way there. I feel so bad that he had to suffer like that. But he no longer will. He was just a few weeks over a year old. He was loved so very much during his short life. Thanks for all your help Marcia Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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[Attachment(s) from Ben Lehrer included below] I've got an FIV+ cat (Pasha) on the cocktail and can answer this. The stomatitis cocktail was developed by the late Dr. Bob Wiggs at his clinic (Dallas Animal Dental) in Dallas. The actual mix of ingredients is proprietary so nobody other than its makers actually know its components and their proportions, but it is basically a holistic mix of non-steroidal, non-controlled substances. I first heard about it from a Yahoo Group dedicated to feline stomatitis (http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Stomatitis/) where a number of people have reported positive results from its use. I am attaching a fact sheet about the cocktail, which was created by one the members of that Yahoo Group. Dr. Wiggs passed away last year and my understanding is that while his estate is sorted out, the cocktail's availability will be somewhat limited as the rights to the proprietary mix haven't been completely settled. I think that it was his wish to see the cocktail made more readily available to help cats suffering from stomatitis and so presumably it will eventually be easier to obtain and perhaps might even be produced locally rather than centrally in Dallas. Time will tell on that one. I was informed that the formulation for FIV+ cats is slightly different than for FIV-negative cats. Pasha, an 8-year old lifelong FIV+ cat with caudal stomatitis and tongue ulcers so horrendously bad that his vet looks at me knowingly while fingering the bottle of euthasol every time I bring him in, has been on it for about six weeks. I've been taking pictures of his mouth to monitor the progress. I can't really say it's had any positive impact, unfortunately. Initially, it seemed like it was helping - after about 2 weeks the inflammation had been reduced and his tongue looked better. But at 3 weeks both came back with a vengeance and he looks awful. His appetite has been a little better nonetheless, but he's not gained any weight. His most recent labs also weren't all that encouraging. I'm going to keep at it since I've exhausted pretty much all of the other treatment options. This doesn't mean it doesn't work; it just means that it doesn't work on 100% of cats. Other people with FIV+ cats on the Stomatitis group have made favorable reports. The cocktail costs around $45/month, and the clinic does require that bloodwork be periodically reported so there are other ongoing costs you could expect to incur as well. When I get around to it, I'll upload some pictures to show what I'm talking about. - Ben From: joel kehler joelkeh...@yahoo.com To: fiv-healthscie...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [fiv-healthscience] Two updates: Daphne and Scrappy I would be interested to know of what the stomatitis cocktail consists, if /when you know. Attachment(s) from Ben Lehrer 1 of 1 File(s) Information on the Stomatitis Cocktail.pdf __._,_.___ On 9/7/2011 11:02 AM, Marcia wrote: Now Fletch has thick gooey looking saliva. He can't eat because his mouth now hurts. His fever is gone though. WhT to do. Calling vet today. Is there any treatment for this mouth issue? Thanks Sent from my iPhone On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com mailto:molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: You can give baby aspirin like every other day or 72 hours or something like that for just a few days though. /I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn'tthe pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. -- Mark Twain/ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:44:05 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net mailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch Same here! *From:*felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Edna Taylor *Sent:* Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:59 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch It has always been my understanding that you should never give asprin to cats: *Aspirin Side Effects* Aspirin is not a medication that is typically administered to cats. If administered, it may cause a few side effects such as: * Stomach acidity, which can lead to stomach ulcers * Upset stomach http://www.vetinfo.com/best-cat-upset-stomach-remedy.html * Vomiting * Diarrhea * Blood coagulation delays * Lack of appetite http://www.vetinfo.com/causes-cat-appetite-loss.html Read more: Can You Give a Cat Aspirin? - VetInfo http://www.vetinfo.com/can-you-give-a-cat-aspirin.html#ixzz1XBGiC9jc
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other day or 72 hours or something like that for just a few days though. /I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn'tthe pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. -- Mark Twain/ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:44:05 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net mailto:at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch Same here! *From:*felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Edna Taylor *Sent:* Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:59 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch It has always been my understanding that you should never give asprin to cats: *Aspirin Side Effects* Aspirin is not a medication that is typically administered to cats. If administered, it may cause a few side effects such as: * Stomach acidity, which can lead to stomach ulcers * Upset stomach http://www.vetinfo.com/best-cat-upset-stomach-remedy.html * Vomiting * Diarrhea * Blood coagulation delays * Lack of appetite http://www.vetinfo.com/causes-cat-appetite-loss.html Read more: Can You Give a Cat Aspirin? - VetInfo http://www.vetinfo.com/can-you-give-a-cat-aspirin.html#ixzz1XBGiC9jc From: marciabmar...@gmail.com mailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 21:40:49 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch Update and more questions. Yesterday Fletch ate very well and ate quite a few treats too. He got up and walked around the kitchen for quite awhile. I was so hopeful that maybe he was over the hump. Wrong. This morning he refused to eat or drink and hasn't done so all day. I hav given him some electrolytes 3 times today. He didn't like that a bit. He had very watery poop with hard chunks in it. That happened twice. Once on the couch, which I have plastic on under his blankets, and then another time I ran him to the litterbox. His fever is back..I'm sure the aspirin wore off and he doesn't feel good at all. Is this how this disease is all the time? Is this what his life is gonna be like from now on? Because if it is, I can't see making him go through this. I don't think he enjoys any part of this. Maybe he ate too much yesterday, I don't know. Do they go thru this and then get better. Any insight will be appreciated. Where does the fever come from? Thanks guys, I sure do appreciate each and every one of you. Marcia Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I'm so sorry! I've been reading your thread. Sad to hear he didn't make :-( RIP Fletch On Sep 7, 2011 11:02 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone Very sad night, fletch got really bad, started crying and having a hard time breathing. I called the vet and asked that he be put to sleep. Well, we didn't make it, Fletch died on the way there. I feel so bad that he had to suffer like that. But he no longer will. He was just a few weeks over a year old. He was loved so very much during his short life. Thanks for all your help Marcia Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It has always been my understanding that you should never give asprin to cats: Aspirin Side Effects Aspirin is not a medication that is typically administered to cats. If administered, it may cause a few side effects such as: Stomach acidity, which can lead to stomach ulcers Upset stomach Vomiting Diarrhea Blood coagulation delays Lack of appetite Read more: Can You Give a Cat Aspirin? - VetInfo From: marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 21:40:49 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch Update and more questions. Yesterday Fletch ate very well and ate quite a few treats too. He got up and walked around the kitchen for quite awhile. I was so hopeful that maybe he was over the hump. Wrong. This morning he refused to eat or drink and hasn't done so all day. I hav given him some electrolytes 3 times today. He didn't like that a bit. He had very watery poop with hard chunks in it. That happened twice. Once on the couch, which I have plastic on under his blankets, and then another time I ran him to the litterbox. His fever is back..I'm sure the aspirin wore off and he doesn't feel good at all. Is this how this disease is all the time? Is this what his life is gonna be like from now on? Because if it is, I can't see making him go through this. I don't think he enjoys any part of this. Maybe he ate too much yesterday, I don't know. Do they go thru this and then get better. Any insight will be appreciated. Where does the fever come from? Thanks guys, I sure do appreciate each and every one of you. Marcia Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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You can give baby aspirin like every other day or 72 hours or something like that for just a few days though. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:44:05 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch Same here! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch It has always been my understanding that you should never give asprin to cats: Aspirin Side EffectsAspirin is not a medication that is typically administered to cats. If administered, it may cause a few side effects such as: Stomach acidity, which can lead to stomach ulcersUpset stomachVomitingDiarrheaBlood coagulation delaysLack of appetite Read more: Can You Give a Cat Aspirin? - VetInfo From: marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 21:40:49 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch Update and more questions. Yesterday Fletch ate very well and ate quite a few treats too. He got up and walked around the kitchen for quite awhile. I was so hopeful that maybe he was over the hump. Wrong. This morning he refused to eat or drink and hasn't done so all day. I hav given him some electrolytes 3 times today. He didn't like that a bit. He had very watery poop with hard chunks in it. That happened twice. Once on the couch, which I have plastic on under his blankets, and then another time I ran him to the litterbox. His fever is back..I'm sure the aspirin wore off and he doesn't feel good at all. Is this how this disease is all the time? Is this what his life is gonna be like from now on? Because if it is, I can't see making him go through this. I don't think he enjoys any part of this. Maybe he ate too much yesterday, I don't know. Do they go thru this and then get better. Any insight will be appreciated. Where does the fever come from? Thanks guys, I sure do appreciate each and every one of you. Marcia Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Fletch
Update and more questions. Yesterday Fletch ate very well and ate quite a few treats too. He got up and walked around the kitchen for quite awhile. I was so hopeful that maybe he was over the hump. Wrong. This morning he refused to eat or drink and hasn't done so all day. I hav given him some electrolytes 3 times today. He didn't like that a bit. He had very watery poop with hard chunks in it. That happened twice. Once on the couch, which I have plastic on under his blankets, and then another time I ran him to the litterbox. His fever is back..I'm sure the aspirin wore off and he doesn't feel good at all. Is this how this disease is all the time? Is this what his life is gonna be like from now on? Because if it is, I can't see making him go through this. I don't think he enjoys any part of this. Maybe he ate too much yesterday, I don't know. Do they go thru this and then get better. Any insight will be appreciated. Where does the fever come from? Thanks guys, I sure do appreciate each and every one of you. Marcia Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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If after a few weeks the amoxi isn't working ask the vet about switching antibiotics to a stronger one. It'd be nice if they knew where the infection was. He probably does have an infection since he has a fever but the infection came from somewhere, not just a generalized infection. Since they mentioned a virus I wonder if they're thinking it's an upper respiratory infection. Either way, I guess antibiotics are called for. I still say maybe an immune system stimulant since he probably does have FeLV. Not that everytime a cat is sick does it mean FeLV but if he truly does have FeLV then it will be extra hard for his body to fight off the infection. Prednisone can negatively affect the immune system. It can be a really good thing but I've just heard it can suppress the immune system. Guess you have to balance out the benefits of it with the potential negatives. Did they say why they wanted to use prednisone? I think it's normally used for some kind of inflammation. I imagine they have a good reason for suggesting it but you should ask to be sure you understand why they want to use it before making a decision. I would definitely re-test but the question is when. You could do the IFA test right now but if it comes up negative then you would need to do another one later on to see if the infection has gotten into his white blood cells. It takes a little time from the time the virus gets into his bloodstream before it gets into his white blood cells so the ELISA could be positive right now and the IFA negative but then positive later. Or his body may fight off the virus so right now he could have a positive ELISA but a negative IFA. Then when his body fights it off he should have a negative ELISA and a negative IFA. Myself, I'd be curious and want to do the IFA test now to know if it's in his white blood cells already, but knowing you'll have to pay for another one later on (if it's negative) then maybe you should wait. Your decision. Whenever you do decide to do the test just demand your vet do it whether she thinks it's necessary or not. Recently a vet told someone in our rescue that she shouldn't do the IFA because the ELISA test was the gold standard. Thankfully the foster parent realized the vet was a clueless about FeLV and the two different tests so she demanded he do the IFA test anyway. But if you decide to wait on the IFA test then since Fletch is sick I would treat him as though he had FeLV and get him on immunoreglin or something like it until he gets well. The one vet told me that a positive IFA means the virus is in his white blood cells and there's no need for further testing because once it's in his white blood cells the cat will not fight off the virus and won't put it into dormancy either. He will stay positive for FeLV. So if you do the IFA test now and it's positive then you can consider him definitely positive, according to her anyway, and not do another test later. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:14:56 -0500 From: marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch Fletch was born with microphalmia,,one of his eyes was completely covered by a membrane and the other one he had limited sight. From what I have read some of these cats will go completely blind. And I can tell from the way he is acting that he has gone blind. He Is afraid at every little move. I'm hoping he eventually gets used to it. He knows this house so well, that he knows where everything is. The reason that he is on amoxi is that when I took him to the vet he had a temp of 105. They said he has some sort of infection that we need to get under control. He said that it isnt the virus that is making fletch feel sick but the infection he has. So he told me to keep him on it for three weeks. Yesterday when I saw the other vet (at the same office) she told me he could stay on it if he needed to.. So that's where I'm atopen for suggestions. Oh, today I got my liquid b complex and started him on that. thanks guys oh I turned 59 in July(-: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote: Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course
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On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote: Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until he adjusted to it. Also being in pain and sick would make him irritable. Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I don't have as much experience as others but I know cats can get grouchy when they don't feel well. That's probably it. Your vet is probably right about him having FeLV because he appears to be ill. But, that's a probably, not a definite. It wouldn't hurt to re-test. Well other than the cost. That always hurts. I think an IFA test is about $100 on average. Why are they giving him amoxi? Does he definitely have an infection of some sort? Depends on the infection as to the type of antibiotic. I can't tell you what every antibiotic is for but I'm wondering what type of specific infection she thinks he has. I guess giving him prednisone depends on what she says is wrong with him. Why did he go blind? Is that something FeLV can cause? I've never read about it. Has she suggested trying immunoreglin? You need to ask her about it. It's what I hear a lot of people give to their FeLV kitties when they get sick. I think it's a super-power immune system stimulant but you can read more about it online. There's another one called interferon. I think there's different type of interferon and some are given as injections. I've never used immunoreglin or interferon because my FeLV kitty died within 24 hours of me noticing something was wrong with her breathing and it was only at her necropsy and blood test done then that we found out about the FeLV, but I know that's what sick FeLV kitties are supposed to get. Seems like I've heard of other things but the immunoreglin is always in the conversation. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:01:50 -0400 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote: Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until he adjusted to it. Also being in pain and sick would make him irritable. Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Maureen, Would you mind responding to Marcia B's thread regarding her 1yr old just diagnosed? You explain things so much better than I do! L - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch I don't have as much experience as others but I know cats can get grouchy when they don't feel well. That's probably it. Your vet is probably right about him having FeLV because he appears to be ill. But, that's a probably, not a definite. It wouldn't hurt to re-test. Well other than the cost. That always hurts. I think an IFA test is about $100 on average. Why are they giving him amoxi? Does he definitely have an infection of some sort? Depends on the infection as to the type of antibiotic. I can't tell you what every antibiotic is for but I'm wondering what type of specific infection she thinks he has. I guess giving him prednisone depends on what she says is wrong with him. Why did he go blind? Is that something FeLV can cause? I've never read about it. Has she suggested trying immunoreglin? You need to ask her about it. It's what I hear a lot of people give to their FeLV kitties when they get sick. I think it's a super-power immune system stimulant but you can read more about it online. There's another one called interferon. I think there's different type of interferon and some are given as injections. I've never used immunoreglin or interferon because my FeLV kitty died within 24 hours of me noticing something was wrong with her breathing and it was only at her necropsy and blood test done then that we found out about the FeLV, but I know that's what sick FeLV kitties are supposed to get. Seems like I've heard of other things but the immunoreglin is always in the conversation. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:01:50 -0400 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote: Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until he adjusted to it. Also being in pain and sick would make him irritable. Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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There are a lot of questions...and I wouldn't trust that vet as far as I could throw him or her. The type of blindness can be categorized by the appearance of the eyes, and a regular vet can only be unspecific; in order to know exactly why a cat is blind, an ophthalmologist must be seen. Our regular vet could tell that the latest acquired blind cat has been blind for a long time, but since there is nothing visual, the eyes look perfectly normal, the problem must be at the very back of the eye that only a specialist could determine. One of the cats that I just recued in Brooklyn last Sunday, his right eye has a big opaque spot in the middle, and our vet said that it was caused by a viral infection a while back (he's about 3 yrs old), and at least he does have peripheral vision. We also had a FIV+ cat that became blind - her eyes looked quite normal but her pupils were always very large - hers was caused by high blood pressure. Diabetic cats also become blind very often, just like people, if the disease is ignored or undetected. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch I don't have as much experience as others but I know cats can get grouchy when they don't feel well. That's probably it. Your vet is probably right about him having FeLV because he appears to be ill. But, that's a probably, not a definite. It wouldn't hurt to re-test. Well other than the cost. That always hurts. I think an IFA test is about $100 on average. Why are they giving him amoxi? Does he definitely have an infection of some sort? Depends on the infection as to the type of antibiotic. I can't tell you what every antibiotic is for but I'm wondering what type of specific infection she thinks he has. I guess giving him prednisone depends on what she says is wrong with him. Why did he go blind? Is that something FeLV can cause? I've never read about it. Has she suggested trying immunoreglin? You need to ask her about it. It's what I hear a lot of people give to their FeLV kitties when they get sick. I think it's a super-power immune system stimulant but you can read more about it online. There's another one called interferon. I think there's different type of interferon and some are given as injections. I've never used immunoreglin or interferon because my FeLV kitty died within 24 hours of me noticing something was wrong with her breathing and it was only at her necropsy and blood test done then that we found out about the FeLV, but I know that's what sick FeLV kitties are supposed to get. Seems like I've heard of other things but the immunoreglin is always in the conversation. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:01:50 -0400 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote: Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until he adjusted to it. Also being in pain and sick would make him irritable. Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
Fletch was born with microphalmia,,one of his eyes was completely covered by a membrane and the other one he had limited sight. From what I have read some of these cats will go completely blind. And I can tell from the way he is acting that he has gone blind. He Is afraid at every little move. I'm hoping he eventually gets used to it. He knows this house so well, that he knows where everything is. The reason that he is on amoxi is that when I took him to the vet he had a temp of 105. They said he has some sort of infection that we need to get under control. He said that it isnt the virus that is making fletch feel sick but the infection he has. So he told me to keep him on it for three weeks. Yesterday when I saw the other vet (at the same office) she told me he could stay on it if he needed to.. So that's where I'm atopen for suggestions. Oh, today I got my liquid b complex and started him on that. thanks guys oh I turned 59 in July(-: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote: Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until he adjusted to it. Also being in pain and sick would make him irritable. Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
I definetly would ask more questions. If the vet is not happy with that then maybe it is time to search for one who will welcome your interest in Fletch's health. My vet encourages questions and any input I may have as to treatment. I even introduced him to this group. He monitors the posts and said many good questions re: felv have been brought up by the group. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I don't have as much experience as others but I know cats can get grouchy when they don't feel well. That's probably it. Your vet is probably right about him having FeLV because he appears to be ill. But, that's a probably, not a definite. It wouldn't hurt to re-test. Well other than the cost. That always hurts. I think an IFA test is about $100 on average. Why are they giving him amoxi? Does he definitely have an infection of some sort? Depends on the infection as to the type of antibiotic. I can't tell you what every antibiotic is for but I'm wondering what type of specific infection she thinks he has. I guess giving him prednisone depends on what she says is wrong with him. Why did he go blind? Is that something FeLV can cause? I've never read about it. Has she suggested trying immunoreglin? You need to ask her about it. It's what I hear a lot of people give to their FeLV kitties when they get sick. I think it's a super-power immune system stimulant but you can read more about it online. There's another one called interferon. I think there's different type of interferon and some are given as injections. I've never used immunoreglin or interferon because my FeLV kitty died within 24 hours of me noticing something was wrong with her breathing and it was only at her necropsy and blood test done then that we found out about the FeLV, but I know that's what sick FeLV kitties are supposed to get. Seems like I've heard of other things but the immunoreglin is always in the conversation. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:01:50 -0400 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote: Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until he adjusted to it. Also being in pain and sick would make him irritable. Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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OKAY, the vet gav yu a reason, he is off the hook. Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Fletch was born with microphalmia,,one of his eyes was completely covered by a membrane and the other one he had limited sight. From what I have read some of these cats will go completely blind. And I can tell from the way he is acting that he has gone blind. He Is afraid at every little move. I'm hoping he eventually gets used to it. He knows this house so well, that he knows where everything is. The reason that he is on amoxi is that when I took him to the vet he had a temp of 105. They said he has some sort of infection that we need to get under control. He said that it isnt the virus that is making fletch feel sick but the infection he has. So he told me to keep him on it for three weeks. Yesterday when I saw the other vet (at the same office) she told me he could stay on it if he needed to.. So that's where I'm atopen for suggestions. Oh, today I got my liquid b complex and started him on that. thanks guys oh I turned 59 in July(-: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote: Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until he adjusted to it. Also being in pain and sick would make him irritable. Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch
No wonder he is grouchy, being blind is enough to scare anyone! My Nitnoy is real touchy about being startled and approached from behind because a raccoon chopped her tail down to 3. Things like that tend to make people/cats jumpy and grouchy. Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Fletch was born with microphalmia,,one of his eyes was completely covered by a membrane and the other one he had limited sight. From what I have read some of these cats will go completely blind. And I can tell from the way he is acting that he has gone blind. He Is afraid at every little move. I'm hoping he eventually gets used to it. He knows this house so well, that he knows where everything is. The reason that he is on amoxi is that when I took him to the vet he had a temp of 105. They said he has some sort of infection that we need to get under control. He said that it isnt the virus that is making fletch feel sick but the infection he has. So he told me to keep him on it for three weeks. Yesterday when I saw the other vet (at the same office) she told me he could stay on it if he needed to.. So that's where I'm atopen for suggestions. Oh, today I got my liquid b complex and started him on that. thanks guys oh I turned 59 in July(-: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-24, Marcia Baronda wrote: Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? I think being blind would be terribly frightening for him until he adjusted to it. Also being in pain and sick would make him irritable. Can he be in a quiet room by himself for awhile? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
