Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FeLV+ Kitten
Lee, would you like me to send you my holistic stomatitis protocol? It worked on both my cats (not Felv+, though), one of which had it so bad that blood spurted out his mouth whenever he opened it. On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Lee Evans wrote: > A false negative is possible but not probable since they were living > together before you took them in or at least had contact with each other. > FeLv is NOT as contagious as vets would have you think but I do isolate the > positives from the negatives anyway. Steroids are only to be used in > extreme emergency. They should not be given as a continuous medication. I > do give my cat with stomatitis a steroid shot every two to three months if > needed, maybe less if the stomatitis looks like it is interfering with his > ability to eat. Other than that, I stay away from continuous medications > in general. The liver and kidneys can be severely stressed and compromised > by having to deal with continuous doses of medications (poisons is what > they are even if they are supposed to only poison viruses and bacterium). > Controlling disorders by a good natural diet is a terrific way to control > or eliminate most problems. The occasional antibiotic shot or steroid > should be given when needed of course, but always question the vet as to > why it would be needed and would there be an alternative to giving the med. > > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > neighbors too! > > > -- > *From:* Forgotten Felines > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:13 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FeLV+ Kitten > > That's a huge relief. Not sure where I'd read the steroids thing, but my > heart sunk seeing it, so I couldn't be more pleased to hear that's not the > case. > > I'll definitely re-test Kaya, but I was also wondering, is there any > chance the other kittens could've had a false neg? Like perhaps I tested > them too soon after exposure? > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Lee Evans wrote: > > Kaya should be treated like a kitten who got sick. Kittens do this > regularly and because their immune systems are not as fully developed as a > cat's is, they tend to go downhill fast if not given extra food, meds, > etc.. Do NOT put this cat on steroids. It will compromise her immune > system even more and ruin her kidney function. Most of my FeLv cats were > healthy until a week or two before the disease zapped them. Most of the > kittens threw off both FeLv and FIV. Several adult cats with FeLv tested > negative after 90 days. It's not a death sentence and it's not something > you need to treat with meds for the rest of their lives. > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > neighbors too! > > > -- > *From:* Forgotten Felines > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:47 PM > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Sick FeLV+ Kitten > > One of the 3 kittens I recently rescued tested positive for FeLV on the > snap test. Although we're going to run the advanced test in about a month, > Kaya gets sick very easily and loses several ounces when she does. Kaya is > almost 5 months old now, 3 lbs 2 oz, and we've had her for nearly 2 months. > At the time, we were told the kittens were related and tested a different > one. They all have herpesvirus, which after being passed around we chose to > isolate them separately. When Kaya became deathly sick the second time, our > vet wanted to test her. Realizing none were related, we also retested the > other two who came back negative. This is my first experience with FeLV and > I have so many questions that seem to get conflicting answers. > > First, how do I care for a FeLV+ kitten/cat? She's recovering quickly with > a mix of Natural Balance kibble and high cal/high stink (A/D prescription) > wet food, with added cat-appropriate vitamin C and Viralys (lysine) and > Nutri-Cal, but is there anything else I should be giving her while she's > sick? Or when she's healthy again? > > Will she need to be on steroids or other medications for the rest of her > life, or can this be managed holistically? > > Once the other kittens are healthy enough for vaccines, could I start them > on the FeLV vac and let them have supervised visits? They were together for > 2-3 months pre-testing and never got it, and are therefore missing each > other quite a bit! And if all the cats and kittens in the house are UTD, > does Kaya really need to be quarantined until she finds her forever home? > (3 adults and 4 kittens, inclu
Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FeLV+ Kitten
All the kittens need to be retested after 3 months on the SNAP test. The virus can take 12 weeks to show up on the test after exposure. Beth Forgotten Felines wrote: >One of the 3 kittens I recently rescued tested positive for FeLV on the >snap test. Although we're going to run the advanced test in about a month, >Kaya gets sick very easily and loses several ounces when she does. Kaya is >almost 5 months old now, 3 lbs 2 oz, and we've had her for nearly 2 months. >At the time, we were told the kittens were related and tested a different >one. They all have herpesvirus, which after being passed around we chose to >isolate them separately. When Kaya became deathly sick the second time, our >vet wanted to test her. Realizing none were related, we also retested the >other two who came back negative. This is my first experience with FeLV and >I have so many questions that seem to get conflicting answers. > >First, how do I care for a FeLV+ kitten/cat? She's recovering quickly with >a mix of Natural Balance kibble and high cal/high stink (A/D prescription) >wet food, with added cat-appropriate vitamin C and Viralys (lysine) and >Nutri-Cal, but is there anything else I should be giving her while she's >sick? Or when she's healthy again? > >Will she need to be on steroids or other medications for the rest of her >life, or can this be managed holistically? > >Once the other kittens are healthy enough for vaccines, could I start them >on the FeLV vac and let them have supervised visits? They were together for >2-3 months pre-testing and never got it, and are therefore missing each >other quite a bit! And if all the cats and kittens in the house are UTD, >does Kaya really need to be quarantined until she finds her forever home? >(3 adults and 4 kittens, including her.) > >Thanks, >Jill > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FeLV+ Kitten
A false negative is possible but not probable since they were living together before you took them in or at least had contact with each other. FeLv is NOT as contagious as vets would have you think but I do isolate the positives from the negatives anyway. Steroids are only to be used in extreme emergency. They should not be given as a continuous medication. I do give my cat with stomatitis a steroid shot every two to three months if needed, maybe less if the stomatitis looks like it is interfering with his ability to eat. Other than that, I stay away from continuous medications in general. The liver and kidneys can be severely stressed and compromised by having to deal with continuous doses of medications (poisons is what they are even if they are supposed to only poison viruses and bacterium). Controlling disorders by a good natural diet is a terrific way to control or eliminate most problems. The occasional antibiotic shot or steroid should be given when needed of course, but always question the vet as to why it would be needed and would there be an alternative to giving the med. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Forgotten Felines To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FeLV+ Kitten That's a huge relief. Not sure where I'd read the steroids thing, but my heart sunk seeing it, so I couldn't be more pleased to hear that's not the case. I'll definitely re-test Kaya, but I was also wondering, is there any chance the other kittens could've had a false neg? Like perhaps I tested them too soon after exposure? On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Lee Evans wrote: Kaya should be treated like a kitten who got sick. Kittens do this regularly and because their immune systems are not as fully developed as a cat's is, they tend to go downhill fast if not given extra food, meds, etc.. Do NOT put this cat on steroids. It will compromise her immune system even more and ruin her kidney function. Most of my FeLv cats were healthy until a week or two before the disease zapped them. Most of the kittens threw off both FeLv and FIV. Several adult cats with FeLv tested negative after 90 days. It's not a death sentence and it's not something you need to treat with meds for the rest of their lives. > > > > >Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty >neighbors too! > > > > > > > From: Forgotten Felines >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:47 PM >Subject: [Felvtalk] Sick FeLV+ Kitten > > > >One of the 3 kittens I recently rescued tested positive for FeLV on the snap >test. Although we're going to run the advanced test in about a month, Kaya >gets sick very easily and loses several ounces when she does. Kaya is almost 5 >months old now, 3 lbs 2 oz, and we've had her for nearly 2 months. At the >time, we were told the kittens were related and tested a different one. They >all have herpesvirus, which after being passed around we chose to isolate them >separately. When Kaya became deathly sick the second time, our vet wanted to >test her. Realizing none were related, we also retested the other two who came >back negative. This is my first experience with FeLV and I have so many >questions that seem to get conflicting answers. > >First, how do I care for a FeLV+ kitten/cat? She's recovering quickly with a >mix of Natural Balance kibble and high cal/high stink (A/D prescription) wet >food, with added cat-appropriate vitamin C and Viralys (lysine) and Nutri-Cal, >but is there anything else I should be giving her while she's sick? Or when >she's healthy again? > >Will she need to be on steroids or other medications for the rest of her life, >or can this be managed holistically? > >Once the other kittens are healthy enough for vaccines, could I start them on >the FeLV vac and let them have supervised visits? They were together for 2-3 >months pre-testing and never got it, and are therefore missing each other >quite a bit! And if all the cats and kittens in the house are UTD, does Kaya >really need to be quarantined until she finds her forever home? (3 adults and >4 kittens, including her.) > >Thanks, >Jill > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org &
Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FeLV+ Kitten
That's a huge relief. Not sure where I'd read the steroids thing, but my heart sunk seeing it, so I couldn't be more pleased to hear that's not the case. I'll definitely re-test Kaya, but I was also wondering, is there any chance the other kittens could've had a false neg? Like perhaps I tested them too soon after exposure? On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Lee Evans wrote: > Kaya should be treated like a kitten who got sick. Kittens do this > regularly and because their immune systems are not as fully developed as a > cat's is, they tend to go downhill fast if not given extra food, meds, > etc.. Do NOT put this cat on steroids. It will compromise her immune > system even more and ruin her kidney function. Most of my FeLv cats were > healthy until a week or two before the disease zapped them. Most of the > kittens threw off both FeLv and FIV. Several adult cats with FeLv tested > negative after 90 days. It's not a death sentence and it's not something > you need to treat with meds for the rest of their lives. > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > neighbors too! > > > -- > *From:* Forgotten Felines > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:47 PM > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Sick FeLV+ Kitten > > One of the 3 kittens I recently rescued tested positive for FeLV on the > snap test. Although we're going to run the advanced test in about a month, > Kaya gets sick very easily and loses several ounces when she does. Kaya is > almost 5 months old now, 3 lbs 2 oz, and we've had her for nearly 2 months. > At the time, we were told the kittens were related and tested a different > one. They all have herpesvirus, which after being passed around we chose to > isolate them separately. When Kaya became deathly sick the second time, our > vet wanted to test her. Realizing none were related, we also retested the > other two who came back negative. This is my first experience with FeLV and > I have so many questions that seem to get conflicting answers. > > First, how do I care for a FeLV+ kitten/cat? She's recovering quickly with > a mix of Natural Balance kibble and high cal/high stink (A/D prescription) > wet food, with added cat-appropriate vitamin C and Viralys (lysine) and > Nutri-Cal, but is there anything else I should be giving her while she's > sick? Or when she's healthy again? > > Will she need to be on steroids or other medications for the rest of her > life, or can this be managed holistically? > > Once the other kittens are healthy enough for vaccines, could I start them > on the FeLV vac and let them have supervised visits? They were together for > 2-3 months pre-testing and never got it, and are therefore missing each > other quite a bit! And if all the cats and kittens in the house are UTD, > does Kaya really need to be quarantined until she finds her forever home? > (3 adults and 4 kittens, including her.) > > Thanks, > Jill > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FeLV+ Kitten
Didn't find out my Tucson was FELV+ until several years after after I brought her in (as a kitten) with my other cats. She had tested neg on ELissa. So when I discovered she was pos, there was no choice for me about keeping them integrated. I had the others vaccinated. I subsequently brought in an outside "feral" (aka dumped) that I'd been feeding for a couple of years & he turned out to be pos. All of them lived together & none of the neg ever got felv. My Romeo passed away last year from lymphoma-he was 8 or 9 at least & my Tucson is lying on my bed right now living the good life of a 14+ years spoiled & pampered cat. I did some research & decided on grain free foods. I found they put on a whole lot of weight w. dry only so I feed them all Wellness canned w. a bit of Wellness weight mgmt. dry as their late night snack. I have one who is diabetic & that diet has been good for her as well. But I know that pos kittens are the most vulnerable-their immune system can't handle the opportunistic infections. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Forgotten Felines Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Sick FeLV+ Kitten One of the 3 kittens I recently rescued tested positive for FeLV on the snap test. Although we're going to run the advanced test in about a month, Kaya gets sick very easily and loses several ounces when she does. Kaya is almost 5 months old now, 3 lbs 2 oz, and we've had her for nearly 2 months. At the time, we were told the kittens were related and tested a different one. They all have herpesvirus, which after being passed around we chose to isolate them separately. When Kaya became deathly sick the second time, our vet wanted to test her. Realizing none were related, we also retested the other two who came back negative. This is my first experience with FeLV and I have so many questions that seem to get conflicting answers. First, how do I care for a FeLV+ kitten/cat? She's recovering quickly with a mix of Natural Balance kibble and high cal/high stink (A/D prescription) wet food, with added cat-appropriate vitamin C and Viralys (lysine) and Nutri-Cal, but is there anything else I should be giving her while she's sick? Or when she's healthy again? Will she need to be on steroids or other medications for the rest of her life, or can this be managed holistically? Once the other kittens are healthy enough for vaccines, could I start them on the FeLV vac and let them have supervised visits? They were together for 2-3 months pre-testing and never got it, and are therefore missing each other quite a bit! And if all the cats and kittens in the house are UTD, does Kaya really need to be quarantined until she finds her forever home? (3 adults and 4 kittens, including her.) Thanks, Jill ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FeLV+ Kitten
Kaya should be treated like a kitten who got sick. Kittens do this regularly and because their immune systems are not as fully developed as a cat's is, they tend to go downhill fast if not given extra food, meds, etc.. Do NOT put this cat on steroids. It will compromise her immune system even more and ruin her kidney function. Most of my FeLv cats were healthy until a week or two before the disease zapped them. Most of the kittens threw off both FeLv and FIV. Several adult cats with FeLv tested negative after 90 days. It's not a death sentence and it's not something you need to treat with meds for the rest of their lives. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Forgotten Felines To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:47 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Sick FeLV+ Kitten One of the 3 kittens I recently rescued tested positive for FeLV on the snap test. Although we're going to run the advanced test in about a month, Kaya gets sick very easily and loses several ounces when she does. Kaya is almost 5 months old now, 3 lbs 2 oz, and we've had her for nearly 2 months. At the time, we were told the kittens were related and tested a different one. They all have herpesvirus, which after being passed around we chose to isolate them separately. When Kaya became deathly sick the second time, our vet wanted to test her. Realizing none were related, we also retested the other two who came back negative. This is my first experience with FeLV and I have so many questions that seem to get conflicting answers. First, how do I care for a FeLV+ kitten/cat? She's recovering quickly with a mix of Natural Balance kibble and high cal/high stink (A/D prescription) wet food, with added cat-appropriate vitamin C and Viralys (lysine) and Nutri-Cal, but is there anything else I should be giving her while she's sick? Or when she's healthy again? Will she need to be on steroids or other medications for the rest of her life, or can this be managed holistically? Once the other kittens are healthy enough for vaccines, could I start them on the FeLV vac and let them have supervised visits? They were together for 2-3 months pre-testing and never got it, and are therefore missing each other quite a bit! And if all the cats and kittens in the house are UTD, does Kaya really need to be quarantined until she finds her forever home? (3 adults and 4 kittens, including her.) Thanks, Jill ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Sick FeLV+ Kitten
One of the 3 kittens I recently rescued tested positive for FeLV on the snap test. Although we're going to run the advanced test in about a month, Kaya gets sick very easily and loses several ounces when she does. Kaya is almost 5 months old now, 3 lbs 2 oz, and we've had her for nearly 2 months. At the time, we were told the kittens were related and tested a different one. They all have herpesvirus, which after being passed around we chose to isolate them separately. When Kaya became deathly sick the second time, our vet wanted to test her. Realizing none were related, we also retested the other two who came back negative. This is my first experience with FeLV and I have so many questions that seem to get conflicting answers. First, how do I care for a FeLV+ kitten/cat? She's recovering quickly with a mix of Natural Balance kibble and high cal/high stink (A/D prescription) wet food, with added cat-appropriate vitamin C and Viralys (lysine) and Nutri-Cal, but is there anything else I should be giving her while she's sick? Or when she's healthy again? Will she need to be on steroids or other medications for the rest of her life, or can this be managed holistically? Once the other kittens are healthy enough for vaccines, could I start them on the FeLV vac and let them have supervised visits? They were together for 2-3 months pre-testing and never got it, and are therefore missing each other quite a bit! And if all the cats and kittens in the house are UTD, does Kaya really need to be quarantined until she finds her forever home? (3 adults and 4 kittens, including her.) Thanks, Jill ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten
Lorrie, I have an FeLV positive kitten also who is about 3 to 4 months old and only 3.8 pounds also. She developed a sore on her mouth that slowed her down considerably and I thought I was going to lose her. My vet was waiting on this new FDA medicine she had heard about and ordered for me. It finally came in and thte first shot has already made a marked difference in her. Taz is now back to her old self. However, as she was getting weaker she developed a limp in one of her front legs for no apparent reason. I thought her leg may have fell asleep from laying on it so long but that wasn't it either. Taz is also anemic and I have her on Pet Tinic. This new medicine is supposed to target the bone marrow to help with healthy blood cell reproduction. It's called Imulan (sp?). It's kind of expensive but I've seen the positive results so far and will keep giving her this for as long as she is responding to it. She's not limping and her blood counts are responding positively. This might be something you can try as well. Good luck with the kitten. Nancy (kittyland) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten
Thanks, Belinda, glad to know that. On Dec 17, 2008, at 10:40 AM, Belinda Sauro wrote: >Hi Gloria, > Just an FYI, Nutrived is better than Pet Tinic, it has the folic > acid > needed in blood building and Pet Tinic doesn't. Vit B, Iron and Folic > acid are needed to biuld blood. > > -- > > Belinda > happiness is being owned by cats ... > > http://bemikitties.com > > http://BelindaSauro.com > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten
Thank you!! :o)> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:06:15 -0800> From: cline...@yahoo.com> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten> > Here is the link to the Yahoo Anemia group.> http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Anemia/> > I think there is a Yahoo group for just about any condition. The anemia group is pretty active.> Sharyl> > --- On Wed, 12/17/08, Christy Buchin wrote:> > From: Christy Buchin > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten> To: "Feline Leukemia Website" > Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 1:55 PM> > Gary,> I am sorry to hear that! Gray Kitty had his second blood transusion last week.> We know we can not sustain him this way, but we are trying to buy time. His> Hematocrit went down to 9 when he was first diagnosed. He had the first> transfusion and it ended up going in the normal range of 35. He then dipped> back down to 18 and then 15. At that time, he had a second transfusion and he> has gone back up to 35 again. We are currently working with a doctor in> Michigan, who has done bone marrow transplants in cats. We are hoping to help> future cats with this illness. > There is an anemia group as well? How do I get to that one too?> I will keep you and your kitty in my prayers. It is just so heartbreaking!>> From: gcru...@centurytel.net> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Date: Wed,> 17 Dec 2008 08:38:55 -0600> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten> >> One of my FeLV cats is very anemic now and her anemia just hasn't responded> > to treatment, I will lose her this week as she has now refused to let me> > syringe feed her anymore, she has always been very good about it and about> > taking meds and now wants no part of it. There are many things you can try> > to get the anemia reversed, Epogen as previously mentioned, Immunoregulin,> > etc., but you may need a transfusion to give them time to work. >> Unfortunately, for my baby the transfusion didn't seem to do much good at> > all and her numbers just keep going down.> > One of my first FeLV> kittens had the same problem with his back legs, over a > period of a couple> of days they just stopped working and he couldn't pee. > Tried a lot of> different things but never got better and I never found out > what caused it,> please post if your vet finds out the cause.> > You might want to join the> anemia group on yahoo.> > Gary> > - Original Message - >> From: "Lorrie" > To:> > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:32> AM> Subject: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten> > > > One of our FelV> kittens is very anemic. Has anyone ever tried iron> > suppliments? We went> back to the vet yesterday, and got her vitamins> > and iron, and hope this> will buy her a bit more time.> >> > She is 8 months old and only> weighs 3 1/2 pounds. She didn't> > actually lose the weight, she just> never gained anymore weight> > than that, as she is also a small cat.>> >> > She recently lost control of her back legs and the vet isn't> sure> > this is caused by the FelV. He thinks it may be a neurological>> > thing.. This happened suddenly about a week ago. First she was> >> wobbly and then she got so she couldn't stand at all, and also lost> >> control of her bladder and bowels. She is still eating and does not> >> seem to be in any pain. Otherwise I'd put her to sleep. She is my> >> daughter's favorite cat, and she doesn't want to do this unless the>> > cat is in distress. I just wondered if any of you had ever seen this>> > lose of mobility in a FelV cat? Advice please.> >> > Thanks,> Lorrie> >> >> >> ___> > Felvtalk mailing> list> > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org>> >> >> > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version> of virus > > signature database 3698 (20081217) __> >>> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> >> >> http://www.eset.com> >> >> > > > >> ___> Felvtalk mailing list>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> _> Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills.> http://windowslive.com/Explore/h
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Here is the link to the Yahoo Anemia group. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Anemia/ I think there is a Yahoo group for just about any condition. The anemia group is pretty active. Sharyl --- On Wed, 12/17/08, Christy Buchin wrote: From: Christy Buchin Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten To: "Feline Leukemia Website" Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 1:55 PM Gary, I am sorry to hear that! Gray Kitty had his second blood transusion last week. We know we can not sustain him this way, but we are trying to buy time. His Hematocrit went down to 9 when he was first diagnosed. He had the first transfusion and it ended up going in the normal range of 35. He then dipped back down to 18 and then 15. At that time, he had a second transfusion and he has gone back up to 35 again. We are currently working with a doctor in Michigan, who has done bone marrow transplants in cats. We are hoping to help future cats with this illness. There is an anemia group as well? How do I get to that one too? I will keep you and your kitty in my prayers. It is just so heartbreaking!> From: gcru...@centurytel.net> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:38:55 -0600> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten> > One of my FeLV cats is very anemic now and her anemia just hasn't responded > to treatment, I will lose her this week as she has now refused to let me > syringe feed her anymore, she has always been very good about it and about > taking meds and now wants no part of it. There are many things you can try > to get the anemia reversed, Epogen as previously mentioned, Immunoregulin, > etc., but you may need a transfusion to give them time to work. > Unfortunately, for my baby the transfusion didn't seem to do much good at > all and her numbers just keep going down.> > One of my first FeLV kittens had the same problem with his back legs, over a > period of a couple of days they just stopped working and he couldn't pee. > Tried a lot of different things but never got better and I never found out > what caused it, please post if your vet finds out the cause.> > You might want to join the anemia group on yahoo.> > Gary> > - Original Message ----- > From: "Lorrie" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:32 AM> Subject: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten> > > > One of our FelV kittens is very anemic. Has anyone ever tried iron> > suppliments? We went back to the vet yesterday, and got her vitamins> > and iron, and hope this will buy her a bit more time.> >> > She is 8 months old and only weighs 3 1/2 pounds. She didn't> > actually lose the weight, she just never gained anymore weight> > than that, as she is also a small cat.> >> > She recently lost control of her back legs and the vet isn't sure> > this is caused by the FelV. He thinks it may be a neurological> > thing.. This happened suddenly about a week ago. First she was> > wobbly and then she got so she couldn't stand at all, and also lost> > control of her bladder and bowels. She is still eating and does not> > seem to be in any pain. Otherwise I'd put her to sleep. She is my> > daughter's favorite cat, and she doesn't want to do this unless the> > cat is in distress. I just wondered if any of you had ever seen this> > lose of mobility in a FelV cat? Advice please.> >> > Thanks, Lorrie> >> >> > ___> > Felvtalk mailing list> > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> >> >> > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > signature database 3698 (20081217) __> >> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> >> > http://www.eset.com> >> >> > > > > ___> Felvtalk mailing list> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Gary, I am sorry to hear that! Gray Kitty had his second blood transusion last week. We know we can not sustain him this way, but we are trying to buy time. His Hematocrit went down to 9 when he was first diagnosed. He had the first transfusion and it ended up going in the normal range of 35. He then dipped back down to 18 and then 15. At that time, he had a second transfusion and he has gone back up to 35 again. We are currently working with a doctor in Michigan, who has done bone marrow transplants in cats. We are hoping to help future cats with this illness. There is an anemia group as well? How do I get to that one too? I will keep you and your kitty in my prayers. It is just so heartbreaking!> From: gcru...@centurytel.net> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:38:55 -0600> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten> > One of my FeLV cats is very anemic now and her anemia just hasn't responded > to treatment, I will lose her this week as she has now refused to let me > syringe feed her anymore, she has always been very good about it and about > taking meds and now wants no part of it. There are many things you can try > to get the anemia reversed, Epogen as previously mentioned, Immunoregulin, > etc., but you may need a transfusion to give them time to work. > Unfortunately, for my baby the transfusion didn't seem to do much good at > all and her numbers just keep going down.> > One of my first FeLV kittens had the same problem with his back legs, over a > period of a couple of days they just stopped working and he couldn't pee. > Tried a lot of different things but never got better and I never found out > what caused it, please post if your vet finds out the cause.> > You might want to join the anemia group on yahoo.> > Gary> > - Original Message - > From: "Lorrie" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:32 AM> Subject: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten> > > > One of our FelV kittens is very anemic. Has anyone ever tried iron> > suppliments? We went back to the vet yesterday, and got her vitamins> > and iron, and hope this will buy her a bit more time.> >> > She is 8 months old and only weighs 3 1/2 pounds. She didn't> > actually lose the weight, she just never gained anymore weight> > than that, as she is also a small cat.> >> > She recently lost control of her back legs and the vet isn't sure> > this is caused by the FelV. He thinks it may be a neurological> > thing.. This happened suddenly about a week ago. First she was> > wobbly and then she got so she couldn't stand at all, and also lost> > control of her bladder and bowels. She is still eating and does not> > seem to be in any pain. Otherwise I'd put her to sleep. She is my> > daughter's favorite cat, and she doesn't want to do this unless the> > cat is in distress. I just wondered if any of you had ever seen this> > lose of mobility in a FelV cat? Advice please.> >> > Thanks, Lorrie> >> >> > ___> > Felvtalk mailing list> > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> >> >> > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > signature database 3698 (20081217) __> >> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> >> > http://www.eset.com> >> >> > > > > ___> Felvtalk mailing list> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Gloria, Just an FYI, Nutrived is better than Pet Tinic, it has the folic acid needed in blood building and Pet Tinic doesn't. Vit B, Iron and Folic acid are needed to biuld blood. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I concur with treating for hemabart even if the test was negative. That is how Junior was treated and he lived another year and a half. He tested negative as well but the vet treated as if he was positive for hemabartenella. I will be praying for kitty. Gary I am so sorry to hear things are not going well. You are a wonderful person to have taken on these babies. I know they give so much. Hugs Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Lorrie, this happened to my Shadow (felv neg) and we took him to Missouri University at Columbia. they did a n and found a tumor on his spine. he was 18 and in severe pain, so i couldn't justify keeping him alinve and in pain so put to sleep. have your vet check for tumors, since he is young, could be if it is a tumor, could do something about it. dorlis Lorrie wrote: > One of our FelV kittens is very anemic. Has anyone ever tried iron > suppliments? We went back to the vet yesterday, and got her vitamins > and iron, and hope this will buy her a bit more time. > > She is 8 months old and only weighs 3 1/2 pounds. She didn't > actually lose the weight, she just never gained anymore weight > than that, as she is also a small cat. > > She recently lost control of her back legs and the vet isn't sure > this is caused by the FelV. He thinks it may be a neurological > thing.. This happened suddenly about a week ago. First she was > wobbly and then she got so she couldn't stand at all, and also lost > control of her bladder and bowels. She is still eating and does not > seem to be in any pain. Otherwise I'd put her to sleep. She is my > daughter's favorite cat, and she doesn't want to do this unless the > cat is in distress. I just wondered if any of you had ever seen this > lose of mobility in a FelV cat? Advice please. > > Thanks, Lorrie > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I use PetTinic as a supplement. That's what I used with my last anemic cat, who was also on doxycycline. I think you have to be careful with iron supplements, use as directed by the vet. Best of luck with your 8 mo old baby! Gloria On Dec 17, 2008, at 6:32 AM, Lorrie wrote: > One of our FelV kittens is very anemic. Has anyone ever tried iron > suppliments? We went back to the vet yesterday, and got her vitamins > and iron, and hope this will buy her a bit more time. > > She is 8 months old and only weighs 3 1/2 pounds. She didn't > actually lose the weight, she just never gained anymore weight > than that, as she is also a small cat. > > She recently lost control of her back legs and the vet isn't sure > this is caused by the FelV. He thinks it may be a neurological > thing.. This happened suddenly about a week ago. First she was > wobbly and then she got so she couldn't stand at all, and also lost > control of her bladder and bowels. She is still eating and does not > seem to be in any pain. Otherwise I'd put her to sleep. She is my > daughter's favorite cat, and she doesn't want to do this unless the > cat is in distress. I just wondered if any of you had ever seen this > lose of mobility in a FelV cat? Advice please. > > Thanks, Lorrie > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Lorrie and Gary -- I have no practical advice here, just vibes coming for both these babies. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten One of my FeLV cats is very anemic now and her anemia just hasn't responded to treatment, I will lose her this week as she has now refused to let me syringe feed her anymore, she has always been very good about it and about taking meds and now wants no part of it. There are many things you can try to get the anemia reversed, Epogen as previously mentioned, Immunoregulin, etc., but you may need a transfusion to give them time to work. Unfortunately, for my baby the transfusion didn't seem to do much good at all and her numbers just keep going down. One of my first FeLV kittens had the same problem with his back legs, over a period of a couple of days they just stopped working and he couldn't pee. Tried a lot of different things but never got better and I never found out what caused it, please post if your vet finds out the cause. You might want to join the anemia group on yahoo. Gary - Original Message - From: "Lorrie" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten > One of our FelV kittens is very anemic. Has anyone ever tried iron > suppliments? We went back to the vet yesterday, and got her vitamins > and iron, and hope this will buy her a bit more time. > > She is 8 months old and only weighs 3 1/2 pounds. She didn't > actually lose the weight, she just never gained anymore weight > than that, as she is also a small cat. > > She recently lost control of her back legs and the vet isn't sure > this is caused by the FelV. He thinks it may be a neurological > thing.. This happened suddenly about a week ago. First she was > wobbly and then she got so she couldn't stand at all, and also lost > control of her bladder and bowels. She is still eating and does not > seem to be in any pain. Otherwise I'd put her to sleep. She is my > daughter's favorite cat, and she doesn't want to do this unless the > cat is in distress. I just wondered if any of you had ever seen this > lose of mobility in a FelV cat? Advice please. > > Thanks, Lorrie > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3698 (20081217) __ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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One of my FeLV cats is very anemic now and her anemia just hasn't responded to treatment, I will lose her this week as she has now refused to let me syringe feed her anymore, she has always been very good about it and about taking meds and now wants no part of it. There are many things you can try to get the anemia reversed, Epogen as previously mentioned, Immunoregulin, etc., but you may need a transfusion to give them time to work. Unfortunately, for my baby the transfusion didn't seem to do much good at all and her numbers just keep going down. One of my first FeLV kittens had the same problem with his back legs, over a period of a couple of days they just stopped working and he couldn't pee. Tried a lot of different things but never got better and I never found out what caused it, please post if your vet finds out the cause. You might want to join the anemia group on yahoo. Gary - Original Message - From: "Lorrie" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten > One of our FelV kittens is very anemic. Has anyone ever tried iron > suppliments? We went back to the vet yesterday, and got her vitamins > and iron, and hope this will buy her a bit more time. > > She is 8 months old and only weighs 3 1/2 pounds. She didn't > actually lose the weight, she just never gained anymore weight > than that, as she is also a small cat. > > She recently lost control of her back legs and the vet isn't sure > this is caused by the FelV. He thinks it may be a neurological > thing.. This happened suddenly about a week ago. First she was > wobbly and then she got so she couldn't stand at all, and also lost > control of her bladder and bowels. She is still eating and does not > seem to be in any pain. Otherwise I'd put her to sleep. She is my > daughter's favorite cat, and she doesn't want to do this unless the > cat is in distress. I just wondered if any of you had ever seen this > lose of mobility in a FelV cat? Advice please. > > Thanks, Lorrie > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3698 (20081217) __ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Cats almost never get low on iron, it does happen but not very common. Bailey was low when he was anemic but my vet said this was not very common. Has your vet tested the baby to make sure she is low on iron, too much iron isn't good either. You may try nutrivid it is a vitamin b, folic acid and iron supplement, CRF cats who are mildly anemic take it, but if the baby is very anemic with an HCT 20 or lower your in big trouble and more aggressive intervention is required but you really need to find out what is causing it and as I said before I would get the baby on doxy and possibly prednisolone. Bailey got both of these but eventually we ended up putting him on epogen which corrected his anemia. His HCT got as low as 15 but once we got him on epogen it took about 3 weeks to start going up and after 6 weeks it was back up to 40, when he passed from pancreatic cancer his HCT was still normal at 34%. He was on epogen for months, once his HCT normalized he went from 3 doses a week to one a week. With out it he would have died within a week or two. Epogen is expensive but Bailey wouldn't have gotten those extra months without it. We suspected Bailey had cancer somewhere but couldn't find it, we did test after test and nothing conclusive ever showed up, my vet didn't feel comfortable treating it without knowing what kind or where. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Has the vet put her on Doxoxycline, hemobartonella is a very common cause of anemia and positives get it frequently. Doxy will help get rid of it and if she doesn't have it won't hurt her but if she does, she will die if it isn't treated and the doxy may just save her life. Has she even been tested for hemo and if so did your vet let you know it is extremely difficult to get a correct test result for it, many cats test negative even thought they are positive and any good vet would almost automatically treat a positive for it if they are anemic to be on the safe side. What does the vet say is causing the anemia? If he said the FeLV is causing it, run and find a new vet, anemia is NOT a symptom of FeLV, there are causes for it and you have to find the cause and treat it if that is possible, but just because a cat is positive doesn't mean it will get anemia and die, though you would never know if you talk to some vets. Many vets are not very interactive when it comes to treating sick positives because they don't think they should be allowed to live anyway, so when they do get sick they blame whatever it is on the FeLV. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten
One of our FelV kittens is very anemic. Has anyone ever tried iron suppliments? We went back to the vet yesterday, and got her vitamins and iron, and hope this will buy her a bit more time. She is 8 months old and only weighs 3 1/2 pounds. She didn't actually lose the weight, she just never gained anymore weight than that, as she is also a small cat. She recently lost control of her back legs and the vet isn't sure this is caused by the FelV. He thinks it may be a neurological thing.. This happened suddenly about a week ago. First she was wobbly and then she got so she couldn't stand at all, and also lost control of her bladder and bowels. She is still eating and does not seem to be in any pain. Otherwise I'd put her to sleep. She is my daughter's favorite cat, and she doesn't want to do this unless the cat is in distress. I just wondered if any of you had ever seen this lose of mobility in a FelV cat? Advice please. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
