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Thank you Jane, I hope Tigger and all animals do come to heaven..I really believe they will. I have read that the lion will lie down with the lamb, so I'm a believer too!! Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Gannon Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 11:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] tigger Importance: High Hi Ardy. I have not been on line lately and I was very sad to hear that Tigger has gone to cat heaven. He sounded like a really cool cat, lots of personality and mischevious. I love those kind, they always keep you smiling. You did your best to help him. I had 12 cats diagnosed positive about a year and a half ago and since that time I have lost 7. Two just died in April, one had FIP and the other just layed down and died. Both were unexpected, I only saw signs something was off for about a week. I have 2 more that started problems last week. One is 16 and had a seizure, was blind for a day, and now is not eating well. She also has a heart condition. I am waiting to see what happens. The other one is not eating much and is not herself. I just had her to the vet 2 weeks ago for blood work and it was not too bad. We talked about putting her and my other 5 year old on Winstrol and I am waiting for the vet to get back to me with his plan. My 13 year old positive has a heart murmur and we are thinking of not putting him on Winstrol because it says to use with caution in cats with heart conditions. His blood work is not too bad either although he has gotten thin even though his appetite is good. And my other positive also has FIV and is starting to have UTI's but is fat and seems ok at this time. If winstrol increases appetites, that would not be good for him. I did not do blood work on him yet and am not planning to put him on Winstrol at this time. I bought a childrens book titled Cat Heaven that I read every time I loose a cat and it makes me feel a little bit better. Makes me smile and cry. I do belive animals go to heaven and Pope Francis says they do. I need to believe this. Jane <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campai gn=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=icon> Virus-free. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campai gn=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=link> www.avast.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Ardy. I have not been on line lately and I was very sad to hear that Tigger has gone to cat heaven. He sounded like a really cool cat, lots of personality and mischevious. I love those kind, they always keep you smiling. You did your best to help him. I had 12 cats diagnosed positive about a year and a half ago and since that time I have lost 7. Two just died in April, one had FIP and the other just layed down and died. Both were unexpected, I only saw signs something was off for about a week. I have 2 more that started problems last week. One is 16 and had a seizure, was blind for a day, and now is not eating well. She also has a heart condition. I am waiting to see what happens. The other one is not eating much and is not herself. I just had her to the vet 2 weeks ago for blood work and it was not too bad. We talked about putting her and my other 5 year old on Winstrol and I am waiting for the vet to get back to me with his plan. My 13 year old positive has a heart murmur and we are thinking of not putting him on Winstrol because it says to use with caution in cats with heart conditions. His blood work is not too bad either although he has gotten thin even though his appetite is good. And my other positive also has FIV and is starting to have UTI's but is fat and seems ok at this time. If winstrol increases appetites, that would not be good for him. I did not do blood work on him yet and am not planning to put him on Winstrol at this time. I bought a childrens book titled Cat Heaven that I read every time I loose a cat and it makes me feel a little bit better. Makes me smile and cry. I do belive animals go to heaven and Pope Francis says they do. I need to believe this. Jane --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Ardy, I am so sorry about Tigger. You certainly fought the good fight and gave him more time. He sounds like a very special cat who was much loved. He was very lucky to have had you. Rain Sent from my iPad > On May 10, 2016, at 1:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at >felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Tucker escapade, & Tigger (dlg...@windstream.net) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 7:24:18 -0500 > From:> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger > Message-ID: <20160510082418.GDTZH.19819.root@pamxwww01-z01> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Sorry for your loss, not much tht can be said to ease the loss, but will keep > you in my prayers. > > > Ardy Robertson wrote: >> Hi Rachel and everyone on this site, > > Amusing story (kind of - after the happy ending) about Tucker's Saturday > morning stroll and then asking for a snack! > > Unfortunately, I lost my baby boy Tigger last Friday evening. I have not been > able to talk much about it since then, but since you asked, and also since I > have been planning to send a message about him, here goes Tigger was > doing wonderfully up until about Thursday afternoon, improving every day, > eating on his own, not dependent on his pain medication for nearly a month. > His bloodwork was absolutely astonishing to say the least from the nearly > flatline it had been! Even the pathologist at the lab put a note on his > report that he re-ran the tests because he could not believe what he was > seeing -- Tigg's non-regenerative leukemia was now regenerative!! Thursday > evening, he didn't seem quite comfortable, and by Friday morning he did not > want anything to eat and I started to worry. My husband watched him during > the day on Friday and I came home early from work because I was worried. He > passed away quietly at home, with us stroking him and telling him how much we > love him. I > am so thankful that I did not have to take him in to be put down. He did not > like going to the vet at all and he was terrified of shots and needles such > as blood draws. > > I do feel that if I had started him on the Winstrol and Prednisolone sooner, > along with a diet of the Hills Prescription A/D canned food he may have made > it. I also now know that had I used the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than > Convenia, it may have helped to prevent the virus from replicating. There are > a lot of "what ifs" and "if onlys" but I do feel wholeheartedly that the > Winstrol was what kept him going from early March until now. I also know that > the veterinary field offers no other alternative in my area, other than > euthanization which I would not consider doing to this wonderful little > orange furball who rescued us five and a half years ago. > > I also appreciate very much the time and effort Amani put in to help me with > her experience of successfully treating an FeLV positive kitty, her expertise > in interpreting lab results, and her friendship in supporting me on the > roller coaster of his illness, cheering with me at his achievements, laughing > with me at his antics, and finally crying with me as I lost him. > > For me, there will be other kitties perhaps. I do have two others, but there > will never ever be anything close to another cat like our Tigger Babe. Yes, > we can keep the bathroom doors open now and not have shredded TP, we can open > windows and doors and not get scratch marks in the screens, we don't have to > lock the door when we're gone because we are crazy cat-people and afraid he > would get out and be lost, we don't have to put chairs in front of the > cupboard doors so he doesn't go in them, we don't have exorbitant vet bills, > but I would gladly go back to all of that to have him back. > > I thank everyone who commented on things to try to help him, for all your > suggestions - I did try several of them. For now, I just have to remember the > five wonderful years Tigger spent with us! > > Thank you, > Ardy > > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Rachel Dagner > Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 1:05 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger > > My
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Ardy, my condolences on your loss of Tigger. Marsha On 5/9/2016 7:51 PM, Ardy Robertson wrote: Unfortunately, I lost my baby boy Tigger last Friday evening. I have not been able to talk much about it since then, but since you asked, and also since I have been planning to send a message about him, here goes Tigger was doing wonderfully up until about Thursday afternoon, improving every day, eating on his own, not dependent on his pain medication for nearly a month. His bloodwork was absolutely astonishing to say the least from the nearly flatline it had been! Even the pathologist at the lab put a note on his report that he re-ran the tests because he could not believe what he was seeing -- Tigg's non-regenerative leukemia was now regenerative!! Thursday evening, he didn't seem quite comfortable, and by Friday morning he did not want anything to eat and I started to worry. My husband watched him during the day on Friday and I came home early from work because I was worried. He passed away quietly at home, with us stroking him and telling him how much we love him. I am so thankful that I did not have to take him in to be put down. He did not like going to the vet at all and he was terrified of shots and needles such as blood draws. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Ardy, I am so sorry to hear that Tigger went to the Rainbow Bridge! Words are so inadequate when the heart hurts so much. Please know that we share your sorrow. Sending you virtual hugs. Kat (Mew Jersey) Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 at 8:51 PM From: "Ardy Robertson"To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger Hi Rachel and everyone on this site, Amusing story (kind of - after the happy ending) about Tucker's Saturday morning stroll and then asking for a snack! Unfortunately, I lost my baby boy Tigger last Friday evening. I have not been able to talk much about it since then, but since you asked, and also since I have been planning to send a message about him, here goes Tigger was doing wonderfully up until about Thursday afternoon, improving every day, eating on his own, not dependent on his pain medication for nearly a month. His bloodwork was absolutely astonishing to say the least from the nearly flatline it had been! Even the pathologist at the lab put a note on his report that he re-ran the tests because he could not believe what he was seeing -- Tigg's non-regenerative leukemia was now regenerative!! Thursday evening, he didn't seem quite comfortable, and by Friday morning he did not want anything to eat and I started to worry. My husband watched him during the day on Friday and I came home early from work because I was worried. He passed away quietly at home, with us stroking him and telling him how much we love him. I am so thankful that I did not have to take him in to be put down. He did not like going to the vet at all and he was terrified of shots and needles such as blood draws. I do feel that if I had started him on the Winstrol and Prednisolone sooner, along with a diet of the Hills Prescription A/D canned food he may have made it. I also now know that had I used the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia, it may have helped to prevent the virus from replicating. There are a lot of "what ifs" and "if onlys" but I do feel wholeheartedly that the Winstrol was what kept him going from early March until now. I also know that the veterinary field offers no other alternative in my area, other than euthanization which I would not consider doing to this wonderful little orange furball who rescued us five and a half years ago. I also appreciate very much the time and effort Amani put in to help me with her experience of successfully treating an FeLV positive kitty, her expertise in interpreting lab results, and her friendship in supporting me on the roller coaster of his illness, cheering with me at his achievements, laughing with me at his antics, and finally crying with me as I lost him. For me, there will be other kitties perhaps. I do have two others, but there will never ever be anything close to another cat like our Tigger Babe. Yes, we can keep the bathroom doors open now and not have shredded TP, we can open windows and doors and not get scratch marks in the screens, we don't have to lock the door when we're gone because we are crazy cat-people and afraid he would get out and be lost, we don't have to put chairs in front of the cupboard doors so he doesn't go in them, we don't have exorbitant vet bills, but I would gladly go back to all of that to have him back. I thank everyone who commented on things to try to help him, for all your suggestions - I did try several of them. For now, I just have to remember the five wonderful years Tigger spent with us! Thank you, Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 1:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger My boyfriend accidentally let him out Saturday morning (he is one sneaky cat) and I spent an hour and a half following him around and trying to get him, tried every trick in the book, I was upset because I was just about to do his supplements when he made his escape. He stayed well out of reach chasing lizards and bugs and very much enjoying himself with no concern for my worries. I finally gave up and decided to work in the yard thinking he would get curious and I could snatch him. My neighbor comes over and asked me if I know he's out and I tell her yes and that I can't get him, that it is impossible. She says to let her try, she walks over to my door I had open for him and says come here Tucker. He walks right in the door and she closes it behind him. I think she was pretty surprised by the big hug I gave her. Then I came in and he acted as if nothing had happened and told me he would like a snack. Has anyone heard from Ardy about Tigger. I hope he is continuing to improve... -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues Hi
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Jane I started Zander on the Winstrol when his haematocrit was 5. It worked very effectively to lift that terrible number back into the normal range, but it took months and months. 19 is a very low number - no question, but you have time to try the Winstrol. Keep close tabs on the haematocrit, the red cell count, and the reticulocyte count. Also, the platelets and white cell lines may be affected by the FeLV and reduced as well. The best way to determine if the Winstrol is going to work for you is to put him on it, then re-test his blood maybe 2 weeks after and then 2 weeks after that. You should start seeing an improvement on these lab results. If there is no improvement, I would try for two more weeks before concluding it is not helpful. My experience with the Winstrol is that there is a pretty quick response. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Gannon Sent: March-17-16 12:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Hi Ardy, Thank you so much for the info. Keep us all informed about how things go for your cat. I would also be interested in the liquid. How much do you give and how often. Also how much does it cost? Did you have bloodwork done on your cat first. How long can you keep your cat on this? Has your vet used this drug before and is he familiar with side effects, etc. What is the plan for your cat. Thank you so much for finding this. I have 7 cats with felv but there is only one that I am concerned about at this time. He is eating, but he has an upper respiratory right now that I am treating with antibiotics and he has lost alot of weight. He just seems more quiet lately. His last hematicrit was 19. I am going to get in touch with my vet asap. Thanks again and good luck with Tigger! Jane - Original Message - From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER > Hi Jane, > I am getting my Winstrol tomorrow, from Diamond Back Drugs in Arizona. > Their > website is www.diamondbackdrugs.com and all you have to do is have your > vet > go to their website and either fill out the RX form on there or call them. > They compound the drug in their lab, and call you for delivery information > and to get your payment by card. They told me their facility is extremely > sterile, and they are sending it to me by priority mail. I talked to them > on > Wednesday, and they shipped it out Saturday. It is supposed to arrive > tomorrow morning. They make it in liquid, chewable tablets or capsules. I > am > getting salmon flavor liquid. > > Hope this helps! > > Thank you, > Ardy > > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Jane Gannon > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 8:54 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER > > Hi Ardy, > > Could you tell me again where we may be able to get Winstrol in the US. > My > computer deletes emails after I read them even when I don't want it to and > your email got deleted before I made a copy. > > Thanks, Jane > - Original Message - > From: <dlg...@windstream.net> > To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 11:05 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER > > >> Harley had a uti with sturvite crystals. I first cought on to it when I >> noticed that when he passed urine, there were only small lumps (silver >> dollar size). took him to vet and he gave covenia, but no help. Then >> started a dropper full of Bragg's raw vinegar in each water foun tain >> every day. We ahve had on problems since then. I aso had a bought and >> started myself on cranberry and Bragg's. now no momre problem. only one >> thing to watch out for, if he starts urinating too much, cut cranberry >> down or out, it irritates the bladder and causes incontinence3. >> >> Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions >>> so >>> I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV >>> and >>> last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all >>> of >>> that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day >>> antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of >>> prayers >>> and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine, >>> playing >>> - nearly back to normal. >>> >>> >
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HI Jane, You are welcome. I hope you can get the Winstrol ordered soon. It takes a couple days for them to mix it up, and then they mail it from Arizona by priority mail. It took from Saturday to Tuesday to get it to me in Wisconsin. Maybe they would overnight it to you? Tigger has only had the Winstrol for 2 days now so I don't have any concrete results yet. He also had Prednisolone so his improvement could be from that. He is definitely showing improvement though. He is also on antibiotics. My vet has me giving him a half millileter 2 times per day. The liquid that I have is 2 milligrams per millileter in strength, so that works out to a half millileter being equal to 1 milligram if that makes sense to you. I'm not good with metric equivalents but my vet explained this to me. The cost was about $32.00 plus $8.00 shipping for a 25 day supply. And I have one refill on the prescription. I did have a complete blood test done last week with testing for red and white blood cell counts and platelets and also liver enzymes. There were numerous things on the list that they tested for, and I really don't know how much is actually necessary. Amani told me what the test meant. She has successfully treated a cat with FeLV and knows a lot about it. I don't really know how long he can be on the Winstrol but I'm guessing he may need it the rest of his life. He is 5 now. I believe you need to back off the Winstrol periodically when the liver enzymes rise. Hopefully your vet will guide you on this a bit. I do not believe either of the two vet offices that I work with has ever even tried to treat an FeLV cat. They automatically put them down the minute they test positive. One of my vets said we could use Winstrol as a "last resort". And the other one is against it because it can "do damage to the liver". My response is what good is a healthy liver in a dead cat??? My plan for Tigger is to use the Winstrol until the liver enzymes rise to a dangerous level, then back off a bit, and when the enzymes go down, to use it again. I love this cat so much - he is family to my husband and me. I really didn't try hard at all to find the Winstrol. I found a lab in Ontario but they do not ship to the US. I do not know if it is actually illegal or if they have other reasons for not shipping across the border, but they were kind enough to respond to my email and suggest that I google "compounding pharmacies in the US" which I did and the first one I came to was www.diamondbackdrugs.com in Arizona, and they are excellent to work with. I had all of 10 minutes invested in finding them - and my first vet office just told me they aren't able to find it yet - after nearly two weeks, and after I gave them the website! My other vet went online immediately and ordered it for me, once he found out it is legal to use in the US. It is only illegal to use in connection with sports. Thank you Jane for helping the FeLV kitties! They are lucky to have someone like you who cares for them. I hope this helps! Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Gannon Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 11:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Hi Ardy, Thank you so much for the info. Keep us all informed about how things go for your cat. I would also be interested in the liquid. How much do you give and how often. Also how much does it cost? Did you have bloodwork done on your cat first. How long can you keep your cat on this? Has your vet used this drug before and is he familiar with side effects, etc. What is the plan for your cat. Thank you so much for finding this. I have 7 cats with felv but there is only one that I am concerned about at this time. He is eating, but he has an upper respiratory right now that I am treating with antibiotics and he has lost alot of weight. He just seems more quiet lately. His last hematicrit was 19. I am going to get in touch with my vet asap. Thanks again and good luck with Tigger! Jane - Original Message - From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER > Hi Jane, > I am getting my Winstrol tomorrow, from Diamond Back Drugs in Arizona. > Their > website is www.diamondbackdrugs.com and all you have to do is have your > vet > go to their website and either fill out the RX form on there or call them. > They compound the drug in their lab, and call you for delivery information > and to get your payment by card. They told me their facility is extremely > sterile, and they are sending it to me by priority mail. I talked to them > on > Wednesday, and they shipped it out Saturday. It is supposed to arrive > tomorrow morning. They make it in liquid, chewable tablets or capsules. I > am > getting salmon fla
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Hi Ardy, Thank you so much for the info. Keep us all informed about how things go for your cat. I would also be interested in the liquid. How much do you give and how often. Also how much does it cost? Did you have bloodwork done on your cat first. How long can you keep your cat on this? Has your vet used this drug before and is he familiar with side effects, etc. What is the plan for your cat. Thank you so much for finding this. I have 7 cats with felv but there is only one that I am concerned about at this time. He is eating, but he has an upper respiratory right now that I am treating with antibiotics and he has lost alot of weight. He just seems more quiet lately. His last hematicrit was 19. I am going to get in touch with my vet asap. Thanks again and good luck with Tigger! Jane - Original Message - From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Hi Jane, I am getting my Winstrol tomorrow, from Diamond Back Drugs in Arizona. Their website is www.diamondbackdrugs.com and all you have to do is have your vet go to their website and either fill out the RX form on there or call them. They compound the drug in their lab, and call you for delivery information and to get your payment by card. They told me their facility is extremely sterile, and they are sending it to me by priority mail. I talked to them on Wednesday, and they shipped it out Saturday. It is supposed to arrive tomorrow morning. They make it in liquid, chewable tablets or capsules. I am getting salmon flavor liquid. Hope this helps! Thank you, Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Gannon Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 8:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Hi Ardy, Could you tell me again where we may be able to get Winstrol in the US. My computer deletes emails after I read them even when I don't want it to and your email got deleted before I made a copy. Thanks, Jane - Original Message - From: <dlg...@windstream.net> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Harley had a uti with sturvite crystals. I first cought on to it when I noticed that when he passed urine, there were only small lumps (silver dollar size). took him to vet and he gave covenia, but no help. Then started a dropper full of Bragg's raw vinegar in each water foun tain every day. We ahve had on problems since then. I aso had a bought and started myself on cranberry and Bragg's. now no momre problem. only one thing to watch out for, if he starts urinating too much, cut cranberry down or out, it irritates the bladder and causes incontinence3. Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: Hello everyone, I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions so I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV and last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all of that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of prayers and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine, playing - nearly back to normal. He later had a blown out anal gland from constipation, which was remedied with pumpkin in his diet, along with antibiotic site injections. Bowel/bladder habits returned to normal and he healed. Then, a re-test in December confirmed that he is still FeLV positive, but at that time symptom free. Two weeks ago he seemed to be in pain, a bit feverish and not eating much. It turned out he had a "raging" urinary tract infection. I feel very bad that I did not know it. Two more Convenia shots, urinalysis with culture etc., x-ray to see if there were stones was negative, however I believe they said he has crystals - of magnesium and a couple other things. We switched him to Hills prescription food - C/D for urinary tract health, and surprisingly he likes it. I also got him a water fountain which encourages him to drink more water. However after two weeks and all of that he is still in some pain - they had given him Buprenorphine for the pain and that does take it away for about 18 hours (actually makes him a bit loopy!!). Now I have it in a bottle to give as needed, so I cut the dose in thirds and only give when necessary. When he is pain free he eats, otherwise, not so much. His healthy weight was a little over 11 lbs., and he had gained back to 10.7 lbs. Two weeks ago at the vet he was 10.2 and now he is 9.5 lbs. They are suggesting a Convenia shot every two weeks for a while and pain meds as needed. The pain seems to be brought on by eating/drinking, or by jumping down from something. Aman
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A hematocrit of 19 is cause for significant concern. It could also eplain the lethargy. What did the Vet do to address this? Is the anemia regenerative, or non-regenerative? >From the Feline CRF site; http://felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm "Technically, a cat is anaemic if the PCV level is below 30% (or with some labs, 25%), but you may not start to see any differences in your cat's behaviour until the level is closer to 20%. Below 20% is generally considered to be severe anaemia, and it really must be treated as a matter of priority. Dehydration will make PCV look higher than it really is, so once the cat is rehydrated, PCV will often fall. In other words, your dehydrated cat may have, say, a PCV of 26% which does not indicate anaemia, but once the dehydration has been corrected, the PCV may have fallen to 20%, indicating anaemia is present." I recently had a cat present with a PCV of 19, which ended up at 14 after re-hydration. She had a transfusion, and is now on Darbepoetin. Her last PCV was 38 (YAY!). Her anemia was likely renal related, but since these numbers have pretty much returned to normal, no-one's really sure at this point. Regardless of cause, anemia that severe needs treatment. All the best, Margo -Original Message- >From: Jane Gannon <strayc...@roadrunner.com> >Sent: Mar 17, 2016 12:11 AM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER > >Hi Ardy, > >Thank you so much for the info. Keep us all informed about how things go >for your cat. I would also be interested in the liquid. How much do you >give and how often. Also how much does it cost? Did you have bloodwork >done on your cat first. How long can you keep your cat on this? Has your >vet used this drug before and is he familiar with side effects, etc. What >is the plan for your cat. > >Thank you so much for finding this. I have 7 cats with felv but there is >only one that I am concerned about at this time. He is eating, but he has >an upper respiratory right now that I am treating with antibiotics and he >has lost alot of weight. He just seems more quiet lately. His last >hematicrit was 19. I am going to get in touch with my vet asap. > >Thanks again and good luck with Tigger! >Jane > > > >- Original Message - >From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net> >To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 8:12 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER > > >> Hi Jane, >> I am getting my Winstrol tomorrow, from Diamond Back Drugs in Arizona. >> Their >> website is www.diamondbackdrugs.com and all you have to do is have your >> vet >> go to their website and either fill out the RX form on there or call them. >> They compound the drug in their lab, and call you for delivery information >> and to get your payment by card. They told me their facility is extremely >> sterile, and they are sending it to me by priority mail. I talked to them >> on >> Wednesday, and they shipped it out Saturday. It is supposed to arrive >> tomorrow morning. They make it in liquid, chewable tablets or capsules. I >> am >> getting salmon flavor liquid. >> >> Hope this helps! >> >> Thank you, >> Ardy >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >> Jane Gannon >> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 8:54 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER >> >> Hi Ardy, >> >> Could you tell me again where we may be able to get Winstrol in the US. >> My >> computer deletes emails after I read them even when I don't want it to and >> your email got deleted before I made a copy. >> >> Thanks, Jane >> - Original Message - >> From: <dlg...@windstream.net> >> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 11:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER >> >> >>> Harley had a uti with sturvite crystals. I first cought on to it when I >>> noticed that when he passed urine, there were only small lumps (silver >>> dollar size). took him to vet and he gave covenia, but no help. Then >>> started a dropper full of Bragg's raw vinegar in each water foun tain >>> every day. We ahve had on problems since then. I aso had a bought and >>> started myself on cranberry and Bragg's. now no momre problem. only one >>> thing to watch out for, if he starts urinating too much, cut cranberry >>> down or out, it irritates the bladder and causes incontinence3. >>> >>> Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net&g
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Hi Jane, I am getting my Winstrol tomorrow, from Diamond Back Drugs in Arizona. Their website is www.diamondbackdrugs.com and all you have to do is have your vet go to their website and either fill out the RX form on there or call them. They compound the drug in their lab, and call you for delivery information and to get your payment by card. They told me their facility is extremely sterile, and they are sending it to me by priority mail. I talked to them on Wednesday, and they shipped it out Saturday. It is supposed to arrive tomorrow morning. They make it in liquid, chewable tablets or capsules. I am getting salmon flavor liquid. Hope this helps! Thank you, Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Gannon Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 8:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Hi Ardy, Could you tell me again where we may be able to get Winstrol in the US. My computer deletes emails after I read them even when I don't want it to and your email got deleted before I made a copy. Thanks, Jane - Original Message - From: <dlg...@windstream.net> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER > Harley had a uti with sturvite crystals. I first cought on to it when I > noticed that when he passed urine, there were only small lumps (silver > dollar size). took him to vet and he gave covenia, but no help. Then > started a dropper full of Bragg's raw vinegar in each water foun tain > every day. We ahve had on problems since then. I aso had a bought and > started myself on cranberry and Bragg's. now no momre problem. only one > thing to watch out for, if he starts urinating too much, cut cranberry > down or out, it irritates the bladder and causes incontinence3. > > Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions >> so >> I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV and >> last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all >> of >> that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day >> antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of >> prayers >> and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine, >> playing >> - nearly back to normal. >> >> >> >> He later had a blown out anal gland from constipation, which was remedied >> with pumpkin in his diet, along with antibiotic site injections. >> Bowel/bladder habits returned to normal and he healed. >> >> >> >> Then, a re-test in December confirmed that he is still FeLV positive, but >> at >> that time symptom free. >> >> >> >> Two weeks ago he seemed to be in pain, a bit feverish and not eating >> much. >> It turned out he had a "raging" urinary tract infection. I feel very bad >> that I did not know it. Two more Convenia shots, urinalysis with culture >> etc., x-ray to see if there were stones was negative, however I believe >> they >> said he has crystals - of magnesium and a couple other things. We >> switched >> him to Hills prescription food - C/D for urinary tract health, and >> surprisingly he likes it. I also got him a water fountain which >> encourages >> him to drink more water. However after two weeks and all of that he is >> still >> in some pain - they had given him Buprenorphine for the pain and that >> does >> take it away for about 18 hours (actually makes him a bit loopy!!). Now I >> have it in a bottle to give as needed, so I cut the dose in thirds and >> only >> give when necessary. When he is pain free he eats, otherwise, not so >> much. >> His healthy weight was a little over 11 lbs., and he had gained back to >> 10.7 >> lbs. Two weeks ago at the vet he was 10.2 and now he is 9.5 lbs. They are >> suggesting a Convenia shot every two weeks for a while and pain meds as >> needed. The pain seems to be brought on by eating/drinking, or by jumping >> down from something. >> >> >> >> Amani - if you are reading...do you feel this is the time to ask for >> Winstrol? They say the UTI is over with, urine is fine, but that it is >> the >> Lukemia that is making him feel like this. One of the vets there is a vet >> chiropractor and she gave him a spinal manipulation which seemed to keep >> the >> pain at bay for over 24 hours. >> >> >> >> One of my
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Hi Ardy, Could you tell me again where we may be able to get Winstrol in the US. My computer deletes emails after I read them even when I don't want it to and your email got deleted before I made a copy. Thanks, Jane - Original Message - From: <dlg...@windstream.net> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Harley had a uti with sturvite crystals. I first cought on to it when I noticed that when he passed urine, there were only small lumps (silver dollar size). took him to vet and he gave covenia, but no help. Then started a dropper full of Bragg's raw vinegar in each water foun tain every day. We ahve had on problems since then. I aso had a bought and started myself on cranberry and Bragg's. now no momre problem. only one thing to watch out for, if he starts urinating too much, cut cranberry down or out, it irritates the bladder and causes incontinence3. Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: Hello everyone, I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions so I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV and last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all of that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of prayers and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine, playing - nearly back to normal. He later had a blown out anal gland from constipation, which was remedied with pumpkin in his diet, along with antibiotic site injections. Bowel/bladder habits returned to normal and he healed. Then, a re-test in December confirmed that he is still FeLV positive, but at that time symptom free. Two weeks ago he seemed to be in pain, a bit feverish and not eating much. It turned out he had a "raging" urinary tract infection. I feel very bad that I did not know it. Two more Convenia shots, urinalysis with culture etc., x-ray to see if there were stones was negative, however I believe they said he has crystals - of magnesium and a couple other things. We switched him to Hills prescription food - C/D for urinary tract health, and surprisingly he likes it. I also got him a water fountain which encourages him to drink more water. However after two weeks and all of that he is still in some pain - they had given him Buprenorphine for the pain and that does take it away for about 18 hours (actually makes him a bit loopy!!). Now I have it in a bottle to give as needed, so I cut the dose in thirds and only give when necessary. When he is pain free he eats, otherwise, not so much. His healthy weight was a little over 11 lbs., and he had gained back to 10.7 lbs. Two weeks ago at the vet he was 10.2 and now he is 9.5 lbs. They are suggesting a Convenia shot every two weeks for a while and pain meds as needed. The pain seems to be brought on by eating/drinking, or by jumping down from something. Amani - if you are reading...do you feel this is the time to ask for Winstrol? They say the UTI is over with, urine is fine, but that it is the Lukemia that is making him feel like this. One of the vets there is a vet chiropractor and she gave him a spinal manipulation which seemed to keep the pain at bay for over 24 hours. One of my questions is - what can I give him for pro-biotics? I bought some Vetri-Science UT Strength Feline treats that have pro-biotics in them, and he will not eat them. I even tried chopping them to bits and putting with his fish oil and he refuses. I don't want to force feed these to him. He hates yogurt but I could syringe a little of it if necessary. Any ideas are appreciated!! Thank you, Ardy Robertson Osseo, Wisconsin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Jane, I did get my vet to go on the Diamond Back Drugs website - www.diamondbackdrugs.com <http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com> -- and fill out their prescription form - or he might have called it in to them. Anyway, he got me a 25 day supply of the liquid winstrol. They also have chewables. He did cut the doze in half - only 0.5 mg 2X day rather than 1 mg like I had asked for, but Tigger is only about 9 pounds now so maybe that is why...not sure. Your NY vet may order you a higher dose. He said there is one refill on this prescription. This compounding pharmacy is in Arizona and when I called them, the lady said they compound the drug right there in Arizona, and she told me they have a very sterile facility. After the vet ordered it for me, they called me for shipping instructions and payment. They are sending by regular mail to my home, and said it would be manufactured and sent out within a couple days. It was about $32 plus $8 shipping for the 25 day supply. Hope this helps, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Gannon Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 10:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Hi Ardy, I would be interested to know where your vet gets the Winstrol in the US. My vet in NY said it is not available in the US. Thanks, Jane - Original Message - From: Amani Oakley <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Do a full haematology panel (including the reticulocyte count) and do liver enzymes (biochemistry). Ask for all your cat's results to date. If you let me know what they are, I can decipher them for you. You will probably see are reduction in red cells and haematocrit results, and you may see a reduction in platelets and white cells. FeLV can attack any or all of the three cell lines (red cells, white cells or platelets). The problem is that it shuts down the bone marrow where precursors of these cells are produced. Winstrol turns back on the bone marrow's production of these cells, so you will hopefully see an increase in any low levels in these results (most likely the red cells and haematocrit results). When the bone marrow starts to produce these cells again, you will also see a rise in the reticulocyte count (which is also a reflection of the level of activity in the bone marrow). With respect to the liver enzymes, if your vet is not firmly working with you, expect that he/she will insist that you stop the Winstrol when the enzymes rise. RESIST. You've got to let the Winstrol work and it takes a long time. The liver enzymes will go up but will come down after Winstrol is discontinued and the more important thing is to reverse the FeLV crisis. If you think the vet will not listen to you and leave your cat on the Winstrol, then don't ask for the liver enzymes. After a few weeks on Winstrol or perhaps a month, run the lab tests again to see if you are getting a response. However, I would be surprised if you wouldn't already see a difference in your cat's eating, playing and overall wellbeing. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-08-16 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER What type of blood work would you suggest I ask for? They don't tell me much about his red or white blood cells. Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 9:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER The Winstrol will boost his appetite and you won't need to give him anything else. The Winstrol works very very well on the bone marrow. If it were me, I wouldn't waste any more time getting him on the Winstrol. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-07-16 10:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Thanks Amani, I will call the vet tomorrow and ask if they will get some for me. Some time ago, the other vet in this practice said they would, if other options failed. I am just so worried that his Leukemia has spread to his bones. They also did not want to keep him on the appetite stimulant unless he really needed it. Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Ardy I would definitely try the Winstrol now. Get bloodwork if you can, beforehand, so you can compare it afterwards, to gauge if
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Hi Jane, I found several places, including one in Florida that seemed a little "iffy" and also checked several pet pharmacies that do not carry Winstrol. But then I found Diamond Back Pet Pharmacy in Arizona. You need a vet's prescription - actually I think the vet probably needs to make the purchase online but here is the link. From their website, they seemed okay. Maybe take a look and see what you think. I did have to search for it as Stanozolol and not as Winstrol, but they do seem to have it in oral form. http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com/medication-search/?wpv_column_sort_id=post_d ate <http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com/medication-search/?wpv_column_sort_id=post_ date_column_sort_dir=desc_paged_preload_reach=1_view_count=1 _post_id=2060=Stanozolol_filter_submit=Search> _column_sort_dir=desc_paged_preload_reach=1_view_count=1_pos t_id=2060=Stanozolol_filter_submit=Search Thank you, Ardy Robertson, Clerk Town of Garfield - Jackson County, WI N14438 Valleybrook Ln Osseo WI 54758 715-533-0661 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Gannon Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 10:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Hi Ardy, I would be interested to know where your vet gets the Winstrol in the US. My vet in NY said it is not available in the US. Thanks, Jane - Original Message - From: Amani Oakley <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Do a full haematology panel (including the reticulocyte count) and do liver enzymes (biochemistry). Ask for all your cat's results to date. If you let me know what they are, I can decipher them for you. You will probably see are reduction in red cells and haematocrit results, and you may see a reduction in platelets and white cells. FeLV can attack any or all of the three cell lines (red cells, white cells or platelets). The problem is that it shuts down the bone marrow where precursors of these cells are produced. Winstrol turns back on the bone marrow's production of these cells, so you will hopefully see an increase in any low levels in these results (most likely the red cells and haematocrit results). When the bone marrow starts to produce these cells again, you will also see a rise in the reticulocyte count (which is also a reflection of the level of activity in the bone marrow). With respect to the liver enzymes, if your vet is not firmly working with you, expect that he/she will insist that you stop the Winstrol when the enzymes rise. RESIST. You've got to let the Winstrol work and it takes a long time. The liver enzymes will go up but will come down after Winstrol is discontinued and the more important thing is to reverse the FeLV crisis. If you think the vet will not listen to you and leave your cat on the Winstrol, then don't ask for the liver enzymes. After a few weeks on Winstrol or perhaps a month, run the lab tests again to see if you are getting a response. However, I would be surprised if you wouldn't already see a difference in your cat's eating, playing and overall wellbeing. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-08-16 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER What type of blood work would you suggest I ask for? They don't tell me much about his red or white blood cells. Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 9:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER The Winstrol will boost his appetite and you won't need to give him anything else. The Winstrol works very very well on the bone marrow. If it were me, I wouldn't waste any more time getting him on the Winstrol. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-07-16 10:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Thanks Amani, I will call the vet tomorrow and ask if they will get some for me. Some time ago, the other vet in this practice said they would, if other options failed. I am just so worried that his Leukemia has spread to his bones. They also did not want to keep him on the appetite stimulant unless he really needed it. Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Ardy I would definitely try the Winstrol now. Get bloodwork if you can, beforehand, so you can c
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Hi Jane, That is my problem right now!! I am desperately trying to get it. I checked with the Chiron Compounding Pharmacy in Ontario and they do not ship to the US. They did not say that it was illegal to ship to me, but maybe that is the reason they do not do it. They suggest that I google compounding pharmacies in the US. I see that you can purchase it online for human use...but I think that might be from some other country or who knows who is selling it - would it be illegal, or would it be lower quality, or Heaven-forbid, not even the right medicine. One of my vets told me it has not been manufactured in the US for about 10 years due to the doping scandals in the sports world. All I know is that my Tigger is not feeling well at all, and if there is a medicine that could help him, I want it for him! I have learned more from Amani Oakley in the past few months being in the FeLV group than I have learned from the vets and that is too bad. Too bad for all the unfortunate little furballs that have this through no fault of their own. If you hear anything about where I can get Winstrol (Stanozolol) please let me know. Thank you, Ardy Robertson N14438 Valleybrook Ln Osseo WI 54758 715-533-0661 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Gannon Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 10:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Hi Ardy, I would be interested to know where your vet gets the Winstrol in the US. My vet in NY said it is not available in the US. Thanks, Jane - Original Message - From: Amani Oakley <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Do a full haematology panel (including the reticulocyte count) and do liver enzymes (biochemistry). Ask for all your cat's results to date. If you let me know what they are, I can decipher them for you. You will probably see are reduction in red cells and haematocrit results, and you may see a reduction in platelets and white cells. FeLV can attack any or all of the three cell lines (red cells, white cells or platelets). The problem is that it shuts down the bone marrow where precursors of these cells are produced. Winstrol turns back on the bone marrow's production of these cells, so you will hopefully see an increase in any low levels in these results (most likely the red cells and haematocrit results). When the bone marrow starts to produce these cells again, you will also see a rise in the reticulocyte count (which is also a reflection of the level of activity in the bone marrow). With respect to the liver enzymes, if your vet is not firmly working with you, expect that he/she will insist that you stop the Winstrol when the enzymes rise. RESIST. You've got to let the Winstrol work and it takes a long time. The liver enzymes will go up but will come down after Winstrol is discontinued and the more important thing is to reverse the FeLV crisis. If you think the vet will not listen to you and leave your cat on the Winstrol, then don't ask for the liver enzymes. After a few weeks on Winstrol or perhaps a month, run the lab tests again to see if you are getting a response. However, I would be surprised if you wouldn't already see a difference in your cat's eating, playing and overall wellbeing. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-08-16 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER What type of blood work would you suggest I ask for? They don't tell me much about his red or white blood cells. Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 9:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER The Winstrol will boost his appetite and you won't need to give him anything else. The Winstrol works very very well on the bone marrow. If it were me, I wouldn't waste any more time getting him on the Winstrol. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-07-16 10:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Thanks Amani, I will call the vet tomorrow and ask if they will get some for me. Some time ago, the other vet in this practice said they would, if other options failed. I am just so worried that his Leukemia has spread to his bones. They also did not want to keep him on the appetite stimulant unless he really needed it. Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleuke
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Hi Ardy, I would be interested to know where your vet gets the Winstrol in the US. My vet in NY said it is not available in the US. Thanks, Jane - Original Message - From: Amani Oakley To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Do a full haematology panel (including the reticulocyte count) and do liver enzymes (biochemistry). Ask for all your cat's results to date. If you let me know what they are, I can decipher them for you. You will probably see are reduction in red cells and haematocrit results, and you may see a reduction in platelets and white cells. FeLV can attack any or all of the three cell lines (red cells, white cells or platelets). The problem is that it shuts down the bone marrow where precursors of these cells are produced. Winstrol turns back on the bone marrow's production of these cells, so you will hopefully see an increase in any low levels in these results (most likely the red cells and haematocrit results). When the bone marrow starts to produce these cells again, you will also see a rise in the reticulocyte count (which is also a reflection of the level of activity in the bone marrow). With respect to the liver enzymes, if your vet is not firmly working with you, expect that he/she will insist that you stop the Winstrol when the enzymes rise. RESIST. You've got to let the Winstrol work and it takes a long time. The liver enzymes will go up but will come down after Winstrol is discontinued and the more important thing is to reverse the FeLV crisis. If you think the vet will not listen to you and leave your cat on the Winstrol, then don't ask for the liver enzymes. After a few weeks on Winstrol or perhaps a month, run the lab tests again to see if you are getting a response. However, I would be surprised if you wouldn't already see a difference in your cat's eating, playing and overall wellbeing. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-08-16 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER What type of blood work would you suggest I ask for? They don't tell me much about his red or white blood cells. Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 9:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER The Winstrol will boost his appetite and you won't need to give him anything else. The Winstrol works very very well on the bone marrow. If it were me, I wouldn't waste any more time getting him on the Winstrol. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-07-16 10:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Thanks Amani, I will call the vet tomorrow and ask if they will get some for me. Some time ago, the other vet in this practice said they would, if other options failed. I am just so worried that his Leukemia has spread to his bones. They also did not want to keep him on the appetite stimulant unless he really needed it. Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Ardy I would definitely try the Winstrol now. Get bloodwork if you can, beforehand, so you can compare it afterwards, to gauge if the Winstrol is working. I have had others online tell me that when they started the Winstrol, they got an immediate and marked improvement both physically and in the blood results. If it were me, I would be trying the Winstrol now to see if Tigger is one of the cats which respond well to it. Please let us know how things progress and I am keeping my fingers crossed for you and Tigger. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-06-16 11:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Hello everyone, I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions so I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV and last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all of that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of prayers and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine, playing - nearly back to normal. He later had a blown out anal gland from constipation, which was remedied with pumpkin in his diet, along with antibiotic site injections. Bowel/bladder habits returned to normal and he healed. Then, a re-test in December confirmed that h
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Thank you Amani - I will call the vet today. Thank you, Ardy Robertson From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 12:35 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Do a full haematology panel (including the reticulocyte count) and do liver enzymes (biochemistry). Ask for all your cat's results to date. If you let me know what they are, I can decipher them for you. You will probably see are reduction in red cells and haematocrit results, and you may see a reduction in platelets and white cells. FeLV can attack any or all of the three cell lines (red cells, white cells or platelets). The problem is that it shuts down the bone marrow where precursors of these cells are produced. Winstrol turns back on the bone marrow's production of these cells, so you will hopefully see an increase in any low levels in these results (most likely the red cells and haematocrit results). When the bone marrow starts to produce these cells again, you will also see a rise in the reticulocyte count (which is also a reflection of the level of activity in the bone marrow). With respect to the liver enzymes, if your vet is not firmly working with you, expect that he/she will insist that you stop the Winstrol when the enzymes rise. RESIST. You've got to let the Winstrol work and it takes a long time. The liver enzymes will go up but will come down after Winstrol is discontinued and the more important thing is to reverse the FeLV crisis. If you think the vet will not listen to you and leave your cat on the Winstrol, then don't ask for the liver enzymes. After a few weeks on Winstrol or perhaps a month, run the lab tests again to see if you are getting a response. However, I would be surprised if you wouldn't already see a difference in your cat's eating, playing and overall wellbeing. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-08-16 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER What type of blood work would you suggest I ask for? They don't tell me much about his red or white blood cells. Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 9:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER The Winstrol will boost his appetite and you won't need to give him anything else. The Winstrol works very very well on the bone marrow. If it were me, I wouldn't waste any more time getting him on the Winstrol. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-07-16 10:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Thanks Amani, I will call the vet tomorrow and ask if they will get some for me. Some time ago, the other vet in this practice said they would, if other options failed. I am just so worried that his Leukemia has spread to his bones. They also did not want to keep him on the appetite stimulant unless he really needed it. Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Ardy I would definitely try the Winstrol now. Get bloodwork if you can, beforehand, so you can compare it afterwards, to gauge if the Winstrol is working. I have had others online tell me that when they started the Winstrol, they got an immediate and marked improvement both physically and in the blood results. If it were me, I would be trying the Winstrol now to see if Tigger is one of the cats which respond well to it. Please let us know how things progress and I am keeping my fingers crossed for you and Tigger. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-06-16 11:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Hello everyone, I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions so I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV and last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all of that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of prayers and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine, playing - nearly back to normal. He later had a blown out anal gland from constipation, which was remedied with pumpkin in his diet, along with antibiotic site injections. Bowel/bladder
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Do a full haematology panel (including the reticulocyte count) and do liver enzymes (biochemistry). Ask for all your cat's results to date. If you let me know what they are, I can decipher them for you. You will probably see are reduction in red cells and haematocrit results, and you may see a reduction in platelets and white cells. FeLV can attack any or all of the three cell lines (red cells, white cells or platelets). The problem is that it shuts down the bone marrow where precursors of these cells are produced. Winstrol turns back on the bone marrow's production of these cells, so you will hopefully see an increase in any low levels in these results (most likely the red cells and haematocrit results). When the bone marrow starts to produce these cells again, you will also see a rise in the reticulocyte count (which is also a reflection of the level of activity in the bone marrow). With respect to the liver enzymes, if your vet is not firmly working with you, expect that he/she will insist that you stop the Winstrol when the enzymes rise. RESIST. You've got to let the Winstrol work and it takes a long time. The liver enzymes will go up but will come down after Winstrol is discontinued and the more important thing is to reverse the FeLV crisis. If you think the vet will not listen to you and leave your cat on the Winstrol, then don't ask for the liver enzymes. After a few weeks on Winstrol or perhaps a month, run the lab tests again to see if you are getting a response. However, I would be surprised if you wouldn't already see a difference in your cat's eating, playing and overall wellbeing. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-08-16 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER What type of blood work would you suggest I ask for? They don't tell me much about his red or white blood cells. Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 9:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER The Winstrol will boost his appetite and you won't need to give him anything else. The Winstrol works very very well on the bone marrow. If it were me, I wouldn't waste any more time getting him on the Winstrol. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-07-16 10:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Thanks Amani, I will call the vet tomorrow and ask if they will get some for me. Some time ago, the other vet in this practice said they would, if other options failed. I am just so worried that his Leukemia has spread to his bones. They also did not want to keep him on the appetite stimulant unless he really needed it. Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Ardy I would definitely try the Winstrol now. Get bloodwork if you can, beforehand, so you can compare it afterwards, to gauge if the Winstrol is working. I have had others online tell me that when they started the Winstrol, they got an immediate and marked improvement both physically and in the blood results. If it were me, I would be trying the Winstrol now to see if Tigger is one of the cats which respond well to it. Please let us know how things progress and I am keeping my fingers crossed for you and Tigger. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-06-16 11:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Hello everyone, I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions so I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV and last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all of that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of prayers and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine, playing - nearly back to normal. He later had a blown out anal gland from constipation, which was remedied with pumpkin in his diet, along with antibiotic site injections. Bowel/bladder habits returned to normal and he healed. Then, a re-test in December confirmed that he is still FeLV positive, but at that time symptom free. Two weeks ago he seemed to be in pain, a bit feverish and not eating much. It turned out he had a "raging" urinary tract infection. I feel very bad that I did not know it. Two more Convenia shots, urinalysis wi
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What type of blood work would you suggest I ask for? They don't tell me much about his red or white blood cells. Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 9:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER The Winstrol will boost his appetite and you won't need to give him anything else. The Winstrol works very very well on the bone marrow. If it were me, I wouldn't waste any more time getting him on the Winstrol. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-07-16 10:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Thanks Amani, I will call the vet tomorrow and ask if they will get some for me. Some time ago, the other vet in this practice said they would, if other options failed. I am just so worried that his Leukemia has spread to his bones. They also did not want to keep him on the appetite stimulant unless he really needed it. Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Ardy I would definitely try the Winstrol now. Get bloodwork if you can, beforehand, so you can compare it afterwards, to gauge if the Winstrol is working. I have had others online tell me that when they started the Winstrol, they got an immediate and marked improvement both physically and in the blood results. If it were me, I would be trying the Winstrol now to see if Tigger is one of the cats which respond well to it. Please let us know how things progress and I am keeping my fingers crossed for you and Tigger. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-06-16 11:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Hello everyone, I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions so I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV and last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all of that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of prayers and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine, playing - nearly back to normal. He later had a blown out anal gland from constipation, which was remedied with pumpkin in his diet, along with antibiotic site injections. Bowel/bladder habits returned to normal and he healed. Then, a re-test in December confirmed that he is still FeLV positive, but at that time symptom free. Two weeks ago he seemed to be in pain, a bit feverish and not eating much. It turned out he had a "raging" urinary tract infection. I feel very bad that I did not know it. Two more Convenia shots, urinalysis with culture etc., x-ray to see if there were stones was negative, however I believe they said he has crystals - of magnesium and a couple other things. We switched him to Hills prescription food - C/D for urinary tract health, and surprisingly he likes it. I also got him a water fountain which encourages him to drink more water. However after two weeks and all of that he is still in some pain - they had given him Buprenorphine for the pain and that does take it away for about 18 hours (actually makes him a bit loopy!!). Now I have it in a bottle to give as needed, so I cut the dose in thirds and only give when necessary. When he is pain free he eats, otherwise, not so much. His healthy weight was a little over 11 lbs., and he had gained back to 10.7 lbs. Two weeks ago at the vet he was 10.2 and now he is 9.5 lbs. They are suggesting a Convenia shot every two weeks for a while and pain meds as needed. The pain seems to be brought on by eating/drinking, or by jumping down from something. Amani - if you are reading...do you feel this is the time to ask for Winstrol? They say the UTI is over with, urine is fine, but that it is the Lukemia that is making him feel like this. One of the vets there is a vet chiropractor and she gave him a spinal manipulation which seemed to keep the pain at bay for over 24 hours. One of my questions is - what can I give him for pro-biotics? I bought some Vetri-Science UT Strength Feline treats that have pro-biotics in them, and he will not eat them. I even tried chopping them to bits and putting with his fish oil and he refuses. I don't want to force feed these to him. He hates yogurt but I could syringe a little of it if necessary. Any ideas are appreciated!! Thank you, Ardy Robertson Osseo, Wisconsin
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The Winstrol will boost his appetite and you won't need to give him anything else. The Winstrol works very very well on the bone marrow. If it were me, I wouldn't waste any more time getting him on the Winstrol. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-07-16 10:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Thanks Amani, I will call the vet tomorrow and ask if they will get some for me. Some time ago, the other vet in this practice said they would, if other options failed. I am just so worried that his Leukemia has spread to his bones. They also did not want to keep him on the appetite stimulant unless he really needed it. Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Ardy I would definitely try the Winstrol now. Get bloodwork if you can, beforehand, so you can compare it afterwards, to gauge if the Winstrol is working. I have had others online tell me that when they started the Winstrol, they got an immediate and marked improvement both physically and in the blood results. If it were me, I would be trying the Winstrol now to see if Tigger is one of the cats which respond well to it. Please let us know how things progress and I am keeping my fingers crossed for you and Tigger. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-06-16 11:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Hello everyone, I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions so I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV and last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all of that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of prayers and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine, playing - nearly back to normal. He later had a blown out anal gland from constipation, which was remedied with pumpkin in his diet, along with antibiotic site injections. Bowel/bladder habits returned to normal and he healed. Then, a re-test in December confirmed that he is still FeLV positive, but at that time symptom free. Two weeks ago he seemed to be in pain, a bit feverish and not eating much. It turned out he had a "raging" urinary tract infection. I feel very bad that I did not know it. Two more Convenia shots, urinalysis with culture etc., x-ray to see if there were stones was negative, however I believe they said he has crystals - of magnesium and a couple other things. We switched him to Hills prescription food - C/D for urinary tract health, and surprisingly he likes it. I also got him a water fountain which encourages him to drink more water. However after two weeks and all of that he is still in some pain - they had given him Buprenorphine for the pain and that does take it away for about 18 hours (actually makes him a bit loopy!!). Now I have it in a bottle to give as needed, so I cut the dose in thirds and only give when necessary. When he is pain free he eats, otherwise, not so much. His healthy weight was a little over 11 lbs., and he had gained back to 10.7 lbs. Two weeks ago at the vet he was 10.2 and now he is 9.5 lbs. They are suggesting a Convenia shot every two weeks for a while and pain meds as needed. The pain seems to be brought on by eating/drinking, or by jumping down from something. Amani - if you are reading.do you feel this is the time to ask for Winstrol? They say the UTI is over with, urine is fine, but that it is the Lukemia that is making him feel like this. One of the vets there is a vet chiropractor and she gave him a spinal manipulation which seemed to keep the pain at bay for over 24 hours. One of my questions is - what can I give him for pro-biotics? I bought some Vetri-Science UT Strength Feline treats that have pro-biotics in them, and he will not eat them. I even tried chopping them to bits and putting with his fish oil and he refuses. I don't want to force feed these to him. He hates yogurt but I could syringe a little of it if necessary. Any ideas are appreciated!! Thank you, Ardy Robertson Osseo, Wisconsin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks Amani, I will call the vet tomorrow and ask if they will get some for me. Some time ago, the other vet in this practice said they would, if other options failed. I am just so worried that his Leukemia has spread to his bones. They also did not want to keep him on the appetite stimulant unless he really needed it. Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Ardy I would definitely try the Winstrol now. Get bloodwork if you can, beforehand, so you can compare it afterwards, to gauge if the Winstrol is working. I have had others online tell me that when they started the Winstrol, they got an immediate and marked improvement both physically and in the blood results. If it were me, I would be trying the Winstrol now to see if Tigger is one of the cats which respond well to it. Please let us know how things progress and I am keeping my fingers crossed for you and Tigger. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-06-16 11:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Hello everyone, I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions so I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV and last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all of that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of prayers and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine, playing - nearly back to normal. He later had a blown out anal gland from constipation, which was remedied with pumpkin in his diet, along with antibiotic site injections. Bowel/bladder habits returned to normal and he healed. Then, a re-test in December confirmed that he is still FeLV positive, but at that time symptom free. Two weeks ago he seemed to be in pain, a bit feverish and not eating much. It turned out he had a "raging" urinary tract infection. I feel very bad that I did not know it. Two more Convenia shots, urinalysis with culture etc., x-ray to see if there were stones was negative, however I believe they said he has crystals - of magnesium and a couple other things. We switched him to Hills prescription food - C/D for urinary tract health, and surprisingly he likes it. I also got him a water fountain which encourages him to drink more water. However after two weeks and all of that he is still in some pain - they had given him Buprenorphine for the pain and that does take it away for about 18 hours (actually makes him a bit loopy!!). Now I have it in a bottle to give as needed, so I cut the dose in thirds and only give when necessary. When he is pain free he eats, otherwise, not so much. His healthy weight was a little over 11 lbs., and he had gained back to 10.7 lbs. Two weeks ago at the vet he was 10.2 and now he is 9.5 lbs. They are suggesting a Convenia shot every two weeks for a while and pain meds as needed. The pain seems to be brought on by eating/drinking, or by jumping down from something. Amani - if you are reading...do you feel this is the time to ask for Winstrol? They say the UTI is over with, urine is fine, but that it is the Lukemia that is making him feel like this. One of the vets there is a vet chiropractor and she gave him a spinal manipulation which seemed to keep the pain at bay for over 24 hours. One of my questions is - what can I give him for pro-biotics? I bought some Vetri-Science UT Strength Feline treats that have pro-biotics in them, and he will not eat them. I even tried chopping them to bits and putting with his fish oil and he refuses. I don't want to force feed these to him. He hates yogurt but I could syringe a little of it if necessary. Any ideas are appreciated!! Thank you, Ardy Robertson Osseo, Wisconsin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Ardy I would definitely try the Winstrol now. Get bloodwork if you can, beforehand, so you can compare it afterwards, to gauge if the Winstrol is working. I have had others online tell me that when they started the Winstrol, they got an immediate and marked improvement both physically and in the blood results. If it were me, I would be trying the Winstrol now to see if Tigger is one of the cats which respond well to it. Please let us know how things progress and I am keeping my fingers crossed for you and Tigger. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-06-16 11:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Hello everyone, I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions so I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV and last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all of that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of prayers and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine, playing - nearly back to normal. He later had a blown out anal gland from constipation, which was remedied with pumpkin in his diet, along with antibiotic site injections. Bowel/bladder habits returned to normal and he healed. Then, a re-test in December confirmed that he is still FeLV positive, but at that time symptom free. Two weeks ago he seemed to be in pain, a bit feverish and not eating much. It turned out he had a "raging" urinary tract infection. I feel very bad that I did not know it. Two more Convenia shots, urinalysis with culture etc., x-ray to see if there were stones was negative, however I believe they said he has crystals - of magnesium and a couple other things. We switched him to Hills prescription food - C/D for urinary tract health, and surprisingly he likes it. I also got him a water fountain which encourages him to drink more water. However after two weeks and all of that he is still in some pain - they had given him Buprenorphine for the pain and that does take it away for about 18 hours (actually makes him a bit loopy!!). Now I have it in a bottle to give as needed, so I cut the dose in thirds and only give when necessary. When he is pain free he eats, otherwise, not so much. His healthy weight was a little over 11 lbs., and he had gained back to 10.7 lbs. Two weeks ago at the vet he was 10.2 and now he is 9.5 lbs. They are suggesting a Convenia shot every two weeks for a while and pain meds as needed. The pain seems to be brought on by eating/drinking, or by jumping down from something. Amani - if you are reading.do you feel this is the time to ask for Winstrol? They say the UTI is over with, urine is fine, but that it is the Lukemia that is making him feel like this. One of the vets there is a vet chiropractor and she gave him a spinal manipulation which seemed to keep the pain at bay for over 24 hours. One of my questions is - what can I give him for pro-biotics? I bought some Vetri-Science UT Strength Feline treats that have pro-biotics in them, and he will not eat them. I even tried chopping them to bits and putting with his fish oil and he refuses. I don't want to force feed these to him. He hates yogurt but I could syringe a little of it if necessary. Any ideas are appreciated!! Thank you, Ardy Robertson Osseo, Wisconsin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Harley had a uti with sturvite crystals. I first cought on to it when I noticed that when he passed urine, there were only small lumps (silver dollar size). took him to vet and he gave covenia, but no help. Then started a dropper full of Bragg's raw vinegar in each water foun tain every day. We ahve had on problems since then. I aso had a bought and started myself on cranberry and Bragg's. now no momre problem. only one thing to watch out for, if he starts urinating too much, cut cranberry down or out, it irritates the bladder and causes incontinence3. Ardy Robertsonwrote: > Hello everyone, > > I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions so > I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV and > last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all of > that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day > antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of prayers > and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine, playing > - nearly back to normal. > > > > He later had a blown out anal gland from constipation, which was remedied > with pumpkin in his diet, along with antibiotic site injections. > Bowel/bladder habits returned to normal and he healed. > > > > Then, a re-test in December confirmed that he is still FeLV positive, but at > that time symptom free. > > > > Two weeks ago he seemed to be in pain, a bit feverish and not eating much. > It turned out he had a "raging" urinary tract infection. I feel very bad > that I did not know it. Two more Convenia shots, urinalysis with culture > etc., x-ray to see if there were stones was negative, however I believe they > said he has crystals - of magnesium and a couple other things. We switched > him to Hills prescription food - C/D for urinary tract health, and > surprisingly he likes it. I also got him a water fountain which encourages > him to drink more water. However after two weeks and all of that he is still > in some pain - they had given him Buprenorphine for the pain and that does > take it away for about 18 hours (actually makes him a bit loopy!!). Now I > have it in a bottle to give as needed, so I cut the dose in thirds and only > give when necessary. When he is pain free he eats, otherwise, not so much. > His healthy weight was a little over 11 lbs., and he had gained back to 10.7 > lbs. Two weeks ago at the vet he was 10.2 and now he is 9.5 lbs. They are > suggesting a Convenia shot every two weeks for a while and pain meds as > needed. The pain seems to be brought on by eating/drinking, or by jumping > down from something. > > > > Amani - if you are reading...do you feel this is the time to ask for > Winstrol? They say the UTI is over with, urine is fine, but that it is the > Lukemia that is making him feel like this. One of the vets there is a vet > chiropractor and she gave him a spinal manipulation which seemed to keep the > pain at bay for over 24 hours. > > > > One of my questions is - what can I give him for pro-biotics? I bought some > Vetri-Science UT Strength Feline treats that have pro-biotics in them, and > he will not eat them. I even tried chopping them to bits and putting with > his fish oil and he refuses. I don't want to force feed these to him. He > hates yogurt but I could syringe a little of it if necessary. > > > > Any ideas are appreciated!! > > > > Thank you, > > Ardy Robertson > > Osseo, Wisconsin > > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] TIGGER
Hello everyone, I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions so I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV and last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all of that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of prayers and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine, playing - nearly back to normal. He later had a blown out anal gland from constipation, which was remedied with pumpkin in his diet, along with antibiotic site injections. Bowel/bladder habits returned to normal and he healed. Then, a re-test in December confirmed that he is still FeLV positive, but at that time symptom free. Two weeks ago he seemed to be in pain, a bit feverish and not eating much. It turned out he had a "raging" urinary tract infection. I feel very bad that I did not know it. Two more Convenia shots, urinalysis with culture etc., x-ray to see if there were stones was negative, however I believe they said he has crystals - of magnesium and a couple other things. We switched him to Hills prescription food - C/D for urinary tract health, and surprisingly he likes it. I also got him a water fountain which encourages him to drink more water. However after two weeks and all of that he is still in some pain - they had given him Buprenorphine for the pain and that does take it away for about 18 hours (actually makes him a bit loopy!!). Now I have it in a bottle to give as needed, so I cut the dose in thirds and only give when necessary. When he is pain free he eats, otherwise, not so much. His healthy weight was a little over 11 lbs., and he had gained back to 10.7 lbs. Two weeks ago at the vet he was 10.2 and now he is 9.5 lbs. They are suggesting a Convenia shot every two weeks for a while and pain meds as needed. The pain seems to be brought on by eating/drinking, or by jumping down from something. Amani - if you are reading...do you feel this is the time to ask for Winstrol? They say the UTI is over with, urine is fine, but that it is the Lukemia that is making him feel like this. One of the vets there is a vet chiropractor and she gave him a spinal manipulation which seemed to keep the pain at bay for over 24 hours. One of my questions is - what can I give him for pro-biotics? I bought some Vetri-Science UT Strength Feline treats that have pro-biotics in them, and he will not eat them. I even tried chopping them to bits and putting with his fish oil and he refuses. I don't want to force feed these to him. He hates yogurt but I could syringe a little of it if necessary. Any ideas are appreciated!! Thank you, Ardy Robertson Osseo, Wisconsin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Oh my Lorrie - do they all get along well? God bless you for taking them in!! Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 7:49 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tigger Very true Ardy, I have FelV pos. cats who have lived to be 8 years old and still seem fine. Good luck with Tigger. Lorrie and 14 rescued cats at home On 01-10, Ardy Robertson wrote: >My vet told me the other day that it is possible that Tigger can live a >complete life-span and be healthy. She said it is not the FeLV that >usually kills FeLV+ cats, but rather secondary things so we need to be >very vigilant. I asked if she thinks he needs frequent blood testing >and she said no, not unless he is showing signs of being ill. Needless >to say I watch him like a hawk! > >Ardy > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Fabulous – you are really giving me hope!! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 10:35 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tigger Luigi is 12 and still going strong :) Amy _ From: "dlg...@windstream.net <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> " <dlg...@windstream.net <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> ; felineres...@frontier.com <mailto:felineres...@frontier.com> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tigger Annie is 8+ and still going strong. Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com <mailto:felineres...@frontier.com> > wrote: > Very true Ardy, I have FelV pos. cats who have lived to be 8 years > old and still seem fine. > > Good luck with Tigger. > > Lorrie and 14 rescued cats at home > > On 01-10, Ardy Robertson wrote: > >My vet told me the other day that it is possible that Tigger can live a > >complete life-span and be healthy. She said it is not the FeLV that > >usually kills FeLV+ cats, but rather secondary things so we need to be > >very vigilant. I asked if she thinks he needs frequent blood testing > >and she said no, not unless he is showing signs of being ill. Needless > >to say I watch him like a hawk! > > > >Ardy > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yayy!!! -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 10:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; felineres...@frontier.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tigger Annie is 8+ and still going strong. Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote: > Very true Ardy, I have FelV pos. cats who have lived to be 8 years old > and still seem fine. > > Good luck with Tigger. > > Lorrie and 14 rescued cats at home > > On 01-10, Ardy Robertson wrote: > >My vet told me the other day that it is possible that Tigger can live a > >complete life-span and be healthy. She said it is not the FeLV that > >usually kills FeLV+ cats, but rather secondary things so we need to be > >very vigilant. I asked if she thinks he needs frequent blood testing > >and she said no, not unless he is showing signs of being ill. Needless > >to say I watch him like a hawk! > > > >Ardy > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Very true Ardy, I have FelV pos. cats who have lived to be 8 years old and still seem fine. Good luck with Tigger. Lorrie and 14 rescued cats at home On 01-10, Ardy Robertson wrote: >My vet told me the other day that it is possible that Tigger can live a >complete life-span and be healthy. She said it is not the FeLV that >usually kills FeLV+ cats, but rather secondary things so we need to be >very vigilant. I asked if she thinks he needs frequent blood testing >and she said no, not unless he is showing signs of being ill. Needless >to say I watch him like a hawk! > >Ardy > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Luigi is 12 and still going strong :) Amy From: "dlg...@windstream.net" <dlg...@windstream.net> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; felineres...@frontier.com Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tigger Annie is 8+ and still going strong. Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote: > Very true Ardy, I have FelV pos. cats who have lived to be 8 years > old and still seem fine. > > Good luck with Tigger. > > Lorrie and 14 rescued cats at home > > On 01-10, Ardy Robertson wrote: > > My vet told me the other day that it is possible that Tigger can live a > > complete life-span and be healthy. She said it is not the FeLV that > > usually kills FeLV+ cats, but rather secondary things so we need to be > > very vigilant. I asked if she thinks he needs frequent blood testing > > and she said no, not unless he is showing signs of being ill. Needless > > to say I watch him like a hawk! > > > > Ardy > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tigger
Annie is 8+ and still going strong. Lorriewrote: > Very true Ardy, I have FelV pos. cats who have lived to be 8 years > old and still seem fine. > > Good luck with Tigger. > > Lorrie and 14 rescued cats at home > > On 01-10, Ardy Robertson wrote: > >My vet told me the other day that it is possible that Tigger can live a > >complete life-span and be healthy. She said it is not the FeLV that > >usually kills FeLV+ cats, but rather secondary things so we need to be > >very vigilant. I asked if she thinks he needs frequent blood testing > >and she said no, not unless he is showing signs of being ill. Needless > >to say I watch him like a hawk! > > > >Ardy > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org