Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3...for Michelle L.

2005-07-06 Thread Skf95111
Dear Michelle L.:

There is no point (and much risk) in vaccinating an immune-compromised cat 
who is FIV+ or FeLV+.  Vaccinations are an assault of sorts to the immune 
system 
and can be detrimental to even a cat with a normal immune system.  There is 
much good info about the risks of vaccines on the website Holisticat.com, or I 
would recommend highly the book by Dr. Martin Goldstein, The Nature of Animal 
Healing.

Some vets do still believe that the FIV and FeLV viruses are related, but 
more recent research tends to show they are not just substrains of the same 
virus.  The best that we can do for immune-compromised cats is to provide them 
with 
the healthiest possible diet, provide immune support and protect them from 
exposure as best we can to undue stress to their immune system due to emotional 
challenges, enviromental toxins or other cats that may carry pathogens that 
their immune system cannot withstand.  Other cats are really more of a threat 
to 
the FIV+ or FeLV+ cat than vice versa.

I have not done much research on FIV, but got a crash course on FeLV in 
'03-04 with two unrelated kittens I rescued in Oct. and Nov. '02 who turned out 
to 
be FeLV+.  The strain of FeLV virus (call it FeLV-A) that cats pass one to 
another causes significant immune suppression, but little else.  It is through 
recombining with a cat's DNA and mutating that the more virulent subgroups 
occur, the FeLV-A+B that is associated with lymphoma or other cancers and 
FeLV-A+C 
that is associated with nonregenerative anemia/leukemia.  In the worse case 
scenario it is possible for both subgroups to develop to FeLV-A+B+C.  At 
present 
the mechanism which prompts such mutations is not known.  This explains why 
some cats live for years, even with the virus in their bone marrow, while 
others crash and succumb early on.  Have you found out there is a similar 
progression for cats who are FIV+?  In general, they seem to have a better 
prognosis 
for long-term survival than do FeLV+ cats and I have always wondered if there 
is 
any research out there to suggest why this may be the case.  I also wonder if 
the concept of viral load is a pertinent one with FIV and FeLV, as it is 
where corona viruses like Panleukopenia and FIP are concerned.  

Since your three cats have already been together long-term, unless they are 
hostile toward each other and prone to fighting, I would not separate them but 
just keep the stress in their lives as minimal as possible, provide a healthy 
natural diet with immune support and supplements to address any symptoms they 
may have.  And, of course, LOVE them one day at a time.  I would NOT vaccinate 
them for FeLV or FIV, respectively.  The FeLV vaccine has been implicated in 
causing a latent infection to become an active one. Most holistic vets whose 
books I've read do not consider the FIV vaccine to be safe, either.

Sally in San Jose 



Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3

2005-06-01 Thread Lomaxturtle



I don't know if Bramble has ever had a FeLV shot. Like I said I've only had 
these 3 for just over 3 weeks now from the sanctuary. There they put FIV and 
FeLV cats in a pen together which is crazy - they should never expose an FIV cat 
to an FeLV cat (a) a because FeLV is easier to spread than FIV and especially to 
an FIV cat and (b) both will be more prone to infection and there is a higher 
risk of cross infections or so I would assume. Unfortunately they don't appear 
to know enough about either diseaseand just assume they arethe 
samein that they weaken the immune system. So there is every chance that 
Both Bramble and Buddy are FIV and FeLV+ because they have been living together 
with Minstrel for 2 years already. The sanctuary manager just said well the 
diseases are much the same thing really - I accepted that until I started to 
research more on FeLV and found out that was rubbish. The more knowledgeable 
people I have met via internet based support groupswere shocked to hear 
that the sanctuary kept them together.When the whole situation with 
Bramble has settled whichever way that turns out - I am going to get Buddy and 
Minstrel both checked again to see what I am dealing with - they have only been 
tested once when they were youngeras far as I know and they are now 2 
years old. I need them to settle a bit more first - they are great affectionate 
cats and settled well but they won't let me pick them up so I can't get a hold 
of them yet. Bramble does but he is about 9 and not in good health.

Michelle L