Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!
Re the odor in the concrete: If you can find OdoBan (Sam's Club is my only source but I am sure it is available elsewhere) use it (maybe extra strength) Really soak the concrete with it. Much better than bleach and without the awful smell. I've used it on odors that were worse that cat spray (yes there are such things) including a dog who got into it with a skunk. It works and has a flowered smell. It is some combination of natural odor eaters. It is great. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 12:11 PM Subject: Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!! You were right to think that Jen. Thank the good Lord that I mentioned I would be sealing the concrete floors before laying concrete to the Home Depot guy today. He nearly had a conniption fit. He said that the porosity of the concrete is how the tile glue adheres to the concrete. Take away the porosity, and the tiles won't stick! So I am s glad I got that tidbit of info. So now I have to find another way to get that nasty smell out of the porous concrete. I guess I will try everything for the next week or so, including bleach, enzymes, vinegar, whatever... lol. Actually, I don't think bleach works. Another thing-we're not looking forward to moving our 55 gal. aquarium. That will be a job! 1 gallon of water equals about ten pounds, so needless to say, we'll be emptying some water out. lol. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!
I haven't made it thru all the emails re tile but two thoughts that may have come up: Chose the color of the grout wisely. White and really dark colors show every pit of anything, including cat hair. And the white stains horribly. Get extra tile to keep in case you break some in the future dropping stuff. Like cans of cat food. It will chip. It takes just the right blow but Make sure and seal and reseal the stuff. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!! Hee, hee! I know what you mean about doing it yourself! With internet access, I have just enough "do-it-yourself" knowledge to make me dangerous... ;) I, too, embarked on a toilet fixer-uper...basically, the toilet was rocking so I figured, "How hard can it be to fix?" BTW, you can replace the "fix" in that last sentence with just about anything else I've tried: lay tile? install laminate flooring? replace ceiling fixtures? install electric wall sconces? put in new sinks? :) Anyway, a simple "fixer-uper" with the toilet turned into having to replace the entire gasket which turned into having to buy a hammer drill and cement to afix the gasket because we have cement sub-flooring! It took a whole d*mn weekend, but I fixed the rock, darn it! :) As for the sub-flooring for the tile, we didn't have to do anything to ours as it was already pretty level...I know you can buy some kind of cement to spread over low spots...and you can also buy sheets of some kind of sub-flooring if the floor is really bad, but I'm not sure how to install those! The video, I think, covers most of that! Our kitchen and bathrooms had that vinyl sheet flooring (very, very old judging by the pattern). :) The video actually recommended just tiling over any old vinyl flooring as the glue underneath could have asbestos. So we just pulled up the shiny part and tiled right over the old glue! "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George - Original Message ----- From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 11:01 am Subject: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org P.S. I think I will go pick up that video today so that my husband can watch it. Thank you for offering to send it-that is very sweet! You should have seen my husband when I tried to convince him we could fix a leaky toilet when we first married two years ago. He had never done any handy work before, and what should have been a simple job involved having to go buy the tool to open the water hole to turn off the water to the whole house outside and then fixing several leaks. lol. He just wanted to call the plumber, but I'm cheap and if I can do it myself, I will. We ended up fixing it, but it really was a pain in the butt and not the first handy job I would have picked to warm my husband up to fixing things around the house. LOL. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!
they make that stuff called 'kilz' that is supposed to seal in any smell. but i don't know if you could put vinyl on top of it since it's a sealer. here they laid down the concrete backerboard stuff. they had pulled up carpet and it was plain plywood underneath. twendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You were right to think that Jen. Thank the good Lordthat I mentioned I would be sealing the concretefloors before laying concrete to the Home Depot guytoday. He nearly had a conniption fit. He said thatthe porosity of the concrete is how the tile glueadheres to the concrete. Take away the porosity, andthe tiles won't stick! So I am s glad I got thattidbit of info. So now I have to find another way toget that nasty smell out of the porous concrete. Iguess I will try everything for the next week or so,including bleach, enzymes, vinegar, whatever... lol. Actually, I don't think bleach works. Anotherthing-we're not looking forward to moving our 55 gal.aquarium. That will be a job! 1 gallon of waterequals about ten pounds, so needless to say, we'll beemptying some water out. lol. :)Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!
You were right to think that Jen. Thank the good Lord that I mentioned I would be sealing the concrete floors before laying concrete to the Home Depot guy today. He nearly had a conniption fit. He said that the porosity of the concrete is how the tile glue adheres to the concrete. Take away the porosity, and the tiles won't stick! So I am s glad I got that tidbit of info. So now I have to find another way to get that nasty smell out of the porous concrete. I guess I will try everything for the next week or so, including bleach, enzymes, vinegar, whatever... lol. Actually, I don't think bleach works. Another thing-we're not looking forward to moving our 55 gal. aquarium. That will be a job! 1 gallon of water equals about ten pounds, so needless to say, we'll be emptying some water out. lol. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!
With the vinyl, we just pulled the top layer off and left the bottom layer with the glue attached to the floor. I was afraid the mortar wouldn't stick to the glossy surface of the vinyl. It should separate pretty easily and it's alot faster than trying to scrape all the glue off the floor! That's a good tip about the straws! I wish I had known that when I replaced both of our toilets! ;) "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 11:44 am Subject: Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > I'm confused...did you pull the vinyl/laminate up and > then lay tile, or did you just lay tile over the > vinyl? I know what you mean about the toilet thing. > The guy at Home Depot just gave me a pointer. He said > that when replacing wax seals on toilets, which is > really easy to mess up, put two straws on top of those > two bolts on either side to guide the toilet down, so > you don't mess the wax seal up by trying to find them. > That way, your toilet won't rock like ours does now > after we fixed it! lol. Neat tip... > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Hee, hee! I know what you mean about doing it > > yourself! With internet > > access, I have just enough "do-it-yourself" > > knowledge to make me > > dangerous... ;) I, too, embarked on a toilet > > fixer-uper...basically, > > the toilet was rocking so I figured, "How hard can > > it be to fix?" BTW, > > you can replace the "fix" in that last sentence with > > just about anything > > else I've tried: lay tile? install laminate > > flooring? replace ceiling > > fixtures? install electric wall sconces? put in > > new sinks? :) > > > > Anyway, a simple "fixer-uper" with the toilet turned > > into having to > > replace the entire gasket which turned into having > > to buy a hammer drill > > and cement to afix the gasket because we have cement > > sub-flooring! It > > took a whole d*mn weekend, but I fixed the rock, > > darn it! :) > > > > As for the sub-flooring for the tile, we didn't have > > to do anything to > > ours as it was already pretty level...I know you can > > buy some kind of > > cement to spread over low spots...and you can also > > buy sheets of some > > kind of sub-flooring if the floor is really bad, but > > I'm not sure how to > > install those! The video, I think, covers most of > > that! Our kitchen > > and bathrooms had that vinyl sheet flooring (very, > > very old judging by > > the pattern). :) The video actually recommended > > just tiling over any > > old vinyl flooring as the glue underneath could have > > asbestos. So we > > just pulled up the shiny part and tiled right over > > the old glue! > > > > > > > > "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. > > To me, you will be > > unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique > > in all the world; You > > become responsible, forever, for what you have > > tamed..." --Antoine de > > Saint-Exupéry > > > > "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you > > and you will know > > each other. If you do not talk to them you will not > > know them, and what > > you do not know you will fear. What one fears one > > destroys." --Chief Dan > > George > > > > - Original Message - > > From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 11:01 am > > Subject: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!! > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > > P.S. I think I will go pick up that video today > > so > > > that my husband can watch it. Thank you for > > offering > > > to send it-that is very sweet! You should have > > seen > > > my husband when I tried to convince him we could > > fix a > > > leaky toilet when we first married two years ago. > > He > > >
Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!
I'm confused...did you pull the vinyl/laminate up and then lay tile, or did you just lay tile over the vinyl? I know what you mean about the toilet thing. The guy at Home Depot just gave me a pointer. He said that when replacing wax seals on toilets, which is really easy to mess up, put two straws on top of those two bolts on either side to guide the toilet down, so you don't mess the wax seal up by trying to find them. That way, your toilet won't rock like ours does now after we fixed it! lol. Neat tip... --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hee, hee! I know what you mean about doing it > yourself! With internet > access, I have just enough "do-it-yourself" > knowledge to make me > dangerous... ;) I, too, embarked on a toilet > fixer-uper...basically, > the toilet was rocking so I figured, "How hard can > it be to fix?" BTW, > you can replace the "fix" in that last sentence with > just about anything > else I've tried: lay tile? install laminate > flooring? replace ceiling > fixtures? install electric wall sconces? put in > new sinks? :) > > Anyway, a simple "fixer-uper" with the toilet turned > into having to > replace the entire gasket which turned into having > to buy a hammer drill > and cement to afix the gasket because we have cement > sub-flooring! It > took a whole d*mn weekend, but I fixed the rock, > darn it! :) > > As for the sub-flooring for the tile, we didn't have > to do anything to > ours as it was already pretty level...I know you can > buy some kind of > cement to spread over low spots...and you can also > buy sheets of some > kind of sub-flooring if the floor is really bad, but > I'm not sure how to > install those! The video, I think, covers most of > that! Our kitchen > and bathrooms had that vinyl sheet flooring (very, > very old judging by > the pattern). :) The video actually recommended > just tiling over any > old vinyl flooring as the glue underneath could have > asbestos. So we > just pulled up the shiny part and tiled right over > the old glue! > > > > "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. > To me, you will be > unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique > in all the world; You > become responsible, forever, for what you have > tamed..." --Antoine de > Saint-Exupéry > > "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you > and you will know > each other. If you do not talk to them you will not > know them, and what > you do not know you will fear. What one fears one > destroys." --Chief Dan > George > > - Original Message - > From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 11:01 am > Subject: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!! > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > P.S. I think I will go pick up that video today > so > > that my husband can watch it. Thank you for > offering > > to send it-that is very sweet! You should have > seen > > my husband when I tried to convince him we could > fix a > > leaky toilet when we first married two years ago. > He > > had never done any handy work before, and what > should > > have been a simple job involved having to go buy > the > > tool to open the water hole to turn off the water > to > > the whole house outside and then fixing several > leaks. > > lol. He just wanted to call the plumber, but I'm > > cheap and if I can do it myself, I will. We ended > up > > fixing it, but it really was a pain in the butt > and > > not the first handy job I would have picked to > warm my > > husband up to fixing things around the house. > LOL. > > > > :) > > Wendy > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!
Oh! One more tip! When you start laying tile, I'd start in a bathroom or hallway...you know, some place small and out of the way! It's not easy to screw up tile...you've got all kinds of time to fix it until the mortar sets, but best to get the feel for it somewhere where it won't be noticable! :) "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 11:01 am Subject: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > P.S. I think I will go pick up that video today so > that my husband can watch it. Thank you for offering > to send it-that is very sweet! You should have seen > my husband when I tried to convince him we could fix a > leaky toilet when we first married two years ago. He > had never done any handy work before, and what should > have been a simple job involved having to go buy the > tool to open the water hole to turn off the water to > the whole house outside and then fixing several leaks. > lol. He just wanted to call the plumber, but I'm > cheap and if I can do it myself, I will. We ended up > fixing it, but it really was a pain in the butt and > not the first handy job I would have picked to warm my > husband up to fixing things around the house. LOL. > > :) > Wendy > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >
Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!
Hee, hee! I know what you mean about doing it yourself! With internet access, I have just enough "do-it-yourself" knowledge to make me dangerous... ;) I, too, embarked on a toilet fixer-uper...basically, the toilet was rocking so I figured, "How hard can it be to fix?" BTW, you can replace the "fix" in that last sentence with just about anything else I've tried: lay tile? install laminate flooring? replace ceiling fixtures? install electric wall sconces? put in new sinks? :) Anyway, a simple "fixer-uper" with the toilet turned into having to replace the entire gasket which turned into having to buy a hammer drill and cement to afix the gasket because we have cement sub-flooring! It took a whole d*mn weekend, but I fixed the rock, darn it! :) As for the sub-flooring for the tile, we didn't have to do anything to ours as it was already pretty level...I know you can buy some kind of cement to spread over low spots...and you can also buy sheets of some kind of sub-flooring if the floor is really bad, but I'm not sure how to install those! The video, I think, covers most of that! Our kitchen and bathrooms had that vinyl sheet flooring (very, very old judging by the pattern). :) The video actually recommended just tiling over any old vinyl flooring as the glue underneath could have asbestos. So we just pulled up the shiny part and tiled right over the old glue! "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 11:01 am Subject: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > P.S. I think I will go pick up that video today so > that my husband can watch it. Thank you for offering > to send it-that is very sweet! You should have seen > my husband when I tried to convince him we could fix a > leaky toilet when we first married two years ago. He > had never done any handy work before, and what should > have been a simple job involved having to go buy the > tool to open the water hole to turn off the water to > the whole house outside and then fixing several leaks. > lol. He just wanted to call the plumber, but I'm > cheap and if I can do it myself, I will. We ended up > fixing it, but it really was a pain in the butt and > not the first handy job I would have picked to warm my > husband up to fixing things around the house. LOL. > > :) > Wendy > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >
Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!
P.S. I think I will go pick up that video today so that my husband can watch it. Thank you for offering to send it-that is very sweet! You should have seen my husband when I tried to convince him we could fix a leaky toilet when we first married two years ago. He had never done any handy work before, and what should have been a simple job involved having to go buy the tool to open the water hole to turn off the water to the whole house outside and then fixing several leaks. lol. He just wanted to call the plumber, but I'm cheap and if I can do it myself, I will. We ended up fixing it, but it really was a pain in the butt and not the first handy job I would have picked to warm my husband up to fixing things around the house. LOL. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!
Hey Jen, Thanks for the tips!!! If I can talk my husband into doing it (and I can be very persuasive...lol), then we will definitely be buying those knee pads. Thanks for the mortar tip too. I can't believe I am starting to look forward to this-I hated the idea two weeks ago. Did you guys have to prep your floor (ie. even it out, etc.) before you laid the tile? :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hey Wendy! > > Tiling isn't all that difficult, just a little > time-consuming! :) > We've done our kitchen and 2 bathrooms > ourselves...first thing that > comes to mind: invest in those knee-pad thingys > they sell at Home Depot > or Lowes! It's alot of hard-work on the knees! And > I think I just > picked up a tiling video from Home Depot for, maybe, > $10...it gives you > a good visual of what to do. Just be sure to mix up > your mortar every > once in awhile to keep it soft and easy to spread! > > Actually, if I can dig up that video tape, I'll send > it to ya, if you like! > > Jen > > > "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. > To me, you will be > unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique > in all the world; You > become responsible, forever, for what you have > tamed..." --Antoine de > Saint-Exupéry > > "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you > and you will know > each other. If you do not talk to them you will not > know them, and what > you do not know you will fear. What one fears one > destroys." --Chief Dan > George > > - Original Message - > From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 10:02 am > Subject: OT: New journey-laying tile!!! > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Hey guys, > > > > My husband and I have decided to go with the tile > in > > replacing our carpet in the living room, hallway > and > > one bedroom, plus we figure we might as well > replace > > the kitchen and master bath linoleum while we're > at it > > as it needs replacing too. We're going to move on > this > > in the next two weeks, since I'm having foot > surgery > > on the 25th of April and would like it completed > by > > then. There is some beautiful tile out there. > What > > stinks is that the labor costs twice as much as > the > > tile. So if you have a 10x10 room, and the tile > is 2$ > > per square foot (on average), it's going to cost > you > > $200 for just the tile. But the labor is another > > $3.25 (HD) or $3.50 (Lowe's) per square foot, so > what > > we could do for $200 will end up costing us > $525-550. > > That's a lot! And when you're talking about 800 > > square feet, it gets expensive. Plus, sealing the > > tile is extra (we will for sure do that > ourselves), > > and tearing up the carpet is extra (we'll do that > > too), and floor prep is extra (probably do that > > too!!!). LOL. So we might possibly lay the tile > > ourselves with help from a few friends who have > > already done it. My husband is scared to do it-he > > doesn't want to mess our house up. I am more the > > do-it-yourself type, so I'm all for it. Anyone > out > > there ever lay tile? Any thoughts or advice? > > > > :) > > Wendy > > > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
