Re: Some of us are so new to this all.
I'm with you, Malone. Reposting for a newbie doesn't faze me at all. Taylor "Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation." On Jul 1, 2007, at 1:09 AM, Malone wrote: There are some here that are new to this virus. We don’t know much. That is specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that distress was caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have been reading and researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very saddened that some find it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies might be under. I have never had a sick cat—I have been very blessed. But I feel doubly blessed to have people who are willing to share information with me even if it is the hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics about this virus and understand less. I need help and information and I thank all that have shared.
Re: Some of us are so new to this all.
Doesn't bother me to repost. I'm on the Feline Lymphoma list, too, and sometimes I get my sites mixed up or write things I've already written, so as you see I've become a crazy cat lady (sigh). Ask away. "Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation." On Jul 1, 2007, at 1:09 AM, Malone wrote: There are some here that are new to this virus. We don’t know much. That is specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that distress was caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have been reading and researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very saddened that some find it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies might be under. I have never had a sick cat—I have been very blessed. But I feel doubly blessed to have people who are willing to share information with me even if it is the hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics about this virus and understand less. I need help and information and I thank all that have shared.
Re: Some of us are so new to this all.
hey -- pass that punch over here ;-) On 7/1/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks Elizabeth! I see in my original post that I made an error when I said I *had* 12 felv+ fosters. I do not.(Gz Freudian slip or what?) I have 4 felv+ cats that are part of Texas Siamese Rescue, I am their permanent foster meowmy. I also have 12 fosters that have had a felv exposure. I feel punch drunkhiccup.. Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com <http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org <http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/> www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - *From:* elizabeth trent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:42 AM *Subject:* Re: Some of us are so new to this all. Hi Susan! How did I miss saying hello and welcome to you too?? *sigh* Welcome! I've been a terrible hostess. We just had a huge celebration for my parent's 50th wedding anniversary last weekend so I guess I am still a jello-head from that. Bless you for taking care of those dear FeVL+ babies. So many people don't realize that a diagnosis of FeVL+ is not a death sentence! They can still have a wonderful quality of life and they need lots of love. I'll try to do a better job of keeping up. I'm so glad you joined us! hugs and a big welcome! elizabeth in alabama, phelix, tiffany, antonio, lexie, shakiti, othello, and tori.
Re: Some of us are so new to this all.
Thanks Elizabeth! I see in my original post that I made an error when I said I *had* 12 felv+ fosters. I do not.(Gz Freudian slip or what?) I have 4 felv+ cats that are part of Texas Siamese Rescue, I am their permanent foster meowmy. I also have 12 fosters that have had a felv exposure. I feel punch drunkhiccup.. Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: elizabeth trent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:42 AM Subject: Re: Some of us are so new to this all. Hi Susan! How did I miss saying hello and welcome to you too?? *sigh* Welcome! I've been a terrible hostess. We just had a huge celebration for my parent's 50th wedding anniversary last weekend so I guess I am still a jello-head from that. Bless you for taking care of those dear FeVL+ babies. So many people don't realize that a diagnosis of FeVL+ is not a death sentence! They can still have a wonderful quality of life and they need lots of love. I'll try to do a better job of keeping up. I'm so glad you joined us! hugs and a big welcome! elizabeth in alabama, phelix, tiffany, antonio, lexie, shakiti, othello, and tori.
Re: Some of us are so new to this all.
Hi, Welcome to the list although it's always bad news that brings one of us here. I have been away on vacation for the past 2 weeks and am just now catching up. I'll be glad to answer any questions you haven't already got answers to. tonya Malone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There are some here that are new to this virus. We dont know much. That is specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that distress was caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have been reading and researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very saddened that some find it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies might be under. I have never had a sick catI have been very blessed. But I feel doubly blessed to have people who are willing to share information with me even if it is the hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics about this virus and understand less. I need help and information and I thank all that have shared.
Re: Some of us are so new to this all.
Hello and welcome newbies! Please don't worry about had been said. Sometimes we have bad days and ventgod only knows I have been there myself a lot recently. There are some folks on this list that do forget when newbies join they don't know yet. Have no clue about the Archives. Many of us here are open to answering questions from new folks that have joined this great list. This is a great loving and caring group of people from all over the world. Like one huge family. We were newbies once ourselves. Please don't let it bother you. Sometimes things are taken out of context. I do feel we need to have the OT things whether it's humor or vital information regarding other Feline illnesses. Sometimes there are many cats/kittens that hit all at once getting sick or passing to the Rainbow Bridge. We need to express our emotions. It can be overwhelming but that is what this group is all about...too share and love. I have been on this list since 2001...I no longer have a Felv kitty. I can tell you many have different ideas and views. Sometimes we have other health questions pertaining to our kitties and will ask this group first. I know I have ask them. Like some of us that mixed or not. I did mix my Felv kitties with my non Felv kitties. The negative kitties were vaccinated and tested every year. I have never had one show up positive. I had senior and young kittens exposed to this. Now these are my personal kitties. However, I Do Not Mix rescue cats/kittens for safety reasons. This is group has over whelming information that can help our kitties. FELV is not a death sentence! So you have questions feel free to ask. I can't stress this enough! Geez, better stop starting to repeat myself...lmao! In a message dated 6/30/2007 11:11:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are some here that are new to this virus. We don’t know much. That is specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that distress was caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have been reading and researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very saddened that some find it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies might be under. I have never had a sick cat—I have been very blessed. But I feel doubly blessed to have people who are willing to share information with me even if it is the hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics about this virus and understand less. I need help and information and I thank all that have shared. Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: Some of us are so new to this all.
Well...I'm going to have to respectfully disagree about the off topic entries suggestion...and I do mean with great respect because I love everyone on this list! I think we *need* some OT (off topic) things. I'll tell you why. When I first joined this list -- there were a number of people who lost their babies. It happens sometimes and there are times when it is just one after another. Week after week it was emotionally overwhelming to me. I almost stopped my subscription to this list because of that very thing. It was tearing me apart. I would read about kitties crossing over and it would absolutely rip my heart to shreds. I would get so depressed and feel so hopeless. I was emotionally exhausted and trying so hard not to feel desparate and hopeless about taking care of my dear child. I think we need some OT things here to help lighten everything up a bit...to share a funny story...to ask a question that might not be related to FeVL+, etc. Yes, the focus of this list should be FeVL+ information, treatment, protocols, experience. But just as a holistic healer looks at the whole self...we need to encompass the whole picture of our babies heath and our own well being. We are all care givers. We have to look at the whole picture of providing what is needed - and keeping our whole selves at our best so we can provide the very best care. It helps a lot of have a sense of humor Some of the off-topic posts have been the most precious and just reading that little thing that helped me laugh and get me back in the right frame of mind. Like Nina's ninja dryer pee baby :0) I have an extremely demanding job as a software engineer - and I really can't handle being on another list or forum just to discuss off topic matters. I do well to try to keep up with this one. I lost my dear FeVL+ baby earlier this year - but I've learned so much. I want to know as much as a can about it and encourage people in my community that FeVL+ is not a reason to say goodbye to a dear one because they can live for years and years and have a good quality of life! I do feed and care for a feral - Zulu - who was captured, nutered, given shots and released. He is extremely feral and ellusive..but I try to ensure he has the very best diet and supplements and plenty of fresh water. I can't get within six feet of him (that's with me INSIDE and him outside) Call me a nut burger...you won't be the first...but I really think that these FeVL+ babies come to us because we are the ones who are best equipped care for them. elizabeth in alabama, phelix, antonio, tiffany, tori, othello, shakiti, and lexie On 7/1/07, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sometimes I can read and research for days and not have a clue then suddenly just one person can phrase something a little differently and it makes sense to me. Knowing what you are reading and judging its accuracy is extremely difficult, Particularly on a subject that is so important as this life and death one. Luckily Dixie is not sick and, after two very healthy years, I suspect the angels have blessed me with a little girl who was exposed but OK. The stomatistis has apparently disappeared and could easily have been from being on her own for a long time. I still need lots of help keeping her healthy and happy. She is my light. Often I feel like I am repeating myself too many times then realize that everyone has the same delete key I do. As for OT things--most of these conversations are labeled and, again, everyone has a delete key. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Malone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:09 AM *Subject:* Some of us are so new to this all. There are some here that are new to this virus. We don't know much. That is specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that distress was caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have been reading and researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very saddened that some find it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies might be under. I have never had a sick cat—I have been very blessed. But I feel doubly blessed to have people who are willing to share information with me even if it is the hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics about this virus and understand less. I need help and information and I thank all that have shared.
Re: Some of us are so new to this all.
Hi Susan! How did I miss saying hello and welcome to you too?? *sigh* Welcome! I've been a terrible hostess. We just had a huge celebration for my parent's 50th wedding anniversary last weekend so I guess I am still a jello-head from that. Bless you for taking care of those dear FeVL+ babies. So many people don't realize that a diagnosis of FeVL+ is not a death sentence! They can still have a wonderful quality of life and they need lots of love. I'll try to do a better job of keeping up. I'm so glad you joined us! hugs and a big welcome! elizabeth in alabama, phelix, tiffany, antonio, lexie, shakiti, othello, and tori. On 7/1/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Malone, Welcome to the group! I have only been on this list for a week, now (hey, and I'm already playing Hostess. To think that I growl @ people & say that I am not a "people purrson"... :) And I have learned a lot in this short time. I currently have 4 felv+ cats, first 3 came to me in July of last year, so I am pretty new to this also. I have worked for a vet @ his home that has had felv+ cats for years, and several clients that care for them. I haven't really done much research per se, (I'm not that good @ it, probably could not research myself out of a paper bag due to my ADD). Anyway, please tell us about your felv+ kitty and how he / she came to be in your family. Thanks! Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com <http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org <http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/> www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - *From:* Malone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:09 AM *Subject:* Some of us are so new to this all. There are some here that are new to this virus. We don't know much. That is specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that distress was caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have been reading and researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very saddened that some find it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies might be under. I have never had a sick cat—I have been very blessed. But I feel doubly blessed to have people who are willing to share information with me even if it is the hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics about this virus and understand less. I need help and information and I thank all that have shared.
Re: Some of us are so new to this all.
Hello and welcome! I have been very bad with keeping up lately - so much going on. I'm sorry I wasn't at the front door to greet you :0) Don't feel bad about any 'distress'...we're a big family here and sometimes even the best and closest of families have their quibbles. Even so - this is such a great list and such a good source for information. Sometimes people have differing views on treatments and protocols too. I've found the best thing to do is listen to every one's input...google everything you can and find out as much info for yourself as possible. Talk to your vet too -- and I've even had some vet tech's who were very knowledgeable and helpful. When you put all that together - you've got a great base to make informed decisions. We have a wide range of experience here and everyone has something to offer. One thing is certain - everyone here is very passionate about their cats and getting them the very best care. We can all agree about that! Here's a big hug and a welcome. We're glad you are here. Elizabeth in Alabama, Phelix, Tiffany, Antonio, Lexie, Othello, Tori, and Shakiti On 7/1/07, Malone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There are some here that are new to this virus. We don't know much. That is specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that distress was caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have been reading and researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very saddened that some find it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies might be under. I have never had a sick cat—I have been very blessed. But I feel doubly blessed to have people who are willing to share information with me even if it is the hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics about this virus and understand less. I need help and information and I thank all that have shared.
Re: Some of us are so new to this all.
More good ideas. As far as water goes, I have so many waterers it would be impossible to give everyone bottled, but I have Drinkwells ( I hope they help[ purify) in the cat room (as well as regular water bowls that are changed TID). Felv+ room has a drinkwell, too. I get Ozarka delivered, but I am looking into the Nikkon Aqua Pur for the cats Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:32 AM Subject: Re: Some of us are so new to this all. I don't know if it is contagious or not. This is the first time I have dealt with it and have had wonderful success with the improved diet (thanks to the pet food murderers), supplements and Brush Away. One lady on a stomatitis board uses Just Born with colostrum all the time with hers and has had wonderful results. Dixie gets this quite often. I want her body built up so she has a better chance of handling anything that comes down the road. She even gets bottled spring water (hopefully) to avoid a lot of the chemicals in tap water. I am going to do this with any critter that lives with me (now if I could remember to eat right myself :))) If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis .
Re: Some of us are so new to this all.
I don't know if it is contagious or not. This is the first time I have dealt
with it and have had wonderful success with the improved diet (thanks to the
pet food murderers), supplements and Brush Away. One lady on a stomatitis
board uses Just Born with colostrum all the time with hers and has had
wonderful results. Dixie gets this quite often. I want her body built up so
she has a better chance of handling anything that comes down the road. She
even gets bottled spring water (hopefully) to avoid a lot of the chemicals in
tap water. I am going to do this with any critter that lives with me (now if I
could remember to eat right myself :)))
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of compassion
and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with their
fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message -
From: Susan Dubose
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: Some of us are so new to this all.
Hi Marylyn,
As far as Stomatitis, they say it's not contagious, however, it seems to pop
up in a lot of "multi cat" households, (like mine).
What are your thoughts?
Anyone else?
One of my cats from the Houston Horader case (the 12 I am fostering that had
the exposure to felv), has stomatitis so bad that it damaged her lungs.
You can hear her breathe across the room, and when she purrs, the pitch
raises and she sounds more bird like than my Bird Boy, Runes, who was raised in
a birdcage...
Confused?
I am...
Susan J. DuBose >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
Purring welcomes of soft applause,
Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
Trajan Tennent
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: Some of us are so new to this all.
Sometimes I can read and research for days and not have a clue then
suddenly just one person can phrase something a little differently and it makes
sense to me. Knowing what you are reading and judging its accuracy is
extremely difficult, Particularly on a subject that is so important as this
life and death one. Luckily Dixie is not sick and, after two very healthy
years, I suspect the angels have blessed me with a little girl who was exposed
but OK. The stomatistis has apparently disappeared and could easily have been
from being on her own for a long time. I still need lots of help keeping her
healthy and happy. She is my light. Often I feel like I am repeating myself
too many times then realize that everyone has the same delete key I do.
As for OT things--most of these conversations are labeled and, again,
everyone has a delete key.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
St.
Francis
- Original Message -
From: Malone
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:09 AM
Subject: Some of us are so new to this all.
There are some here that are new to this virus. We don't know much. That
is specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that distress
was caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have been reading
and researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very saddened that some
find it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies might be under. I
have never had a sick cat-I have been very blessed. But I feel doubly blessed
to have people who are willing to share information with me even if it is the
hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics about this virus and
understand less. I need help and information and I thank all that have shared.
Re: Some of us are so new to this all.
Hi Marylyn,
As far as Stomatitis, they say it's not contagious, however, it seems to pop up
in a lot of "multi cat" households, (like mine).
What are your thoughts?
Anyone else?
One of my cats from the Houston Horader case (the 12 I am fostering that had
the exposure to felv), has stomatitis so bad that it damaged her lungs.
You can hear her breathe across the room, and when she purrs, the pitch raises
and she sounds more bird like than my Bird Boy, Runes, who was raised in a
birdcage...
Confused?
I am...
Susan J. DuBose >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
Purring welcomes of soft applause,
Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
Trajan Tennent
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: Some of us are so new to this all.
Sometimes I can read and research for days and not have a clue then suddenly
just one person can phrase something a little differently and it makes sense to
me. Knowing what you are reading and judging its accuracy is extremely
difficult, Particularly on a subject that is so important as this life and
death one. Luckily Dixie is not sick and, after two very healthy years, I
suspect the angels have blessed me with a little girl who was exposed but OK.
The stomatistis has apparently disappeared and could easily have been from
being on her own for a long time. I still need lots of help keeping her
healthy and happy. She is my light. Often I feel like I am repeating myself
too many times then realize that everyone has the same delete key I do.
As for OT things--most of these conversations are labeled and, again,
everyone has a delete key.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message -
From: Malone
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:09 AM
Subject: Some of us are so new to this all.
There are some here that are new to this virus. We don't know much. That is
specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that distress was
caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have been reading and
researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very saddened that some find
it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies might be under. I have
never had a sick cat-I have been very blessed. But I feel doubly blessed to
have people who are willing to share information with me even if it is the
hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics about this virus and
understand less. I need help and information and I thank all that have shared.
Re: Some of us are so new to this all.
Malone, Welcome to the group! I have only been on this list for a week, now (hey, and I'm already playing Hostess. To think that I growl @ people & say that I am not a "people purrson"... :) And I have learned a lot in this short time. I currently have 4 felv+ cats, first 3 came to me in July of last year, so I am pretty new to this also. I have worked for a vet @ his home that has had felv+ cats for years, and several clients that care for them. I haven't really done much research per se, (I'm not that good @ it, probably could not research myself out of a paper bag due to my ADD). Anyway, please tell us about your felv+ kitty and how he / she came to be in your family. Thanks! Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Malone To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:09 AM Subject: Some of us are so new to this all. There are some here that are new to this virus. We don't know much. That is specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that distress was caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have been reading and researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very saddened that some find it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies might be under. I have never had a sick cat-I have been very blessed. But I feel doubly blessed to have people who are willing to share information with me even if it is the hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics about this virus and understand less. I need help and information and I thank all that have shared.
Re: Some of us are so new to this all.
Sometimes I can read and research for days and not have a clue then suddenly just one person can phrase something a little differently and it makes sense to me. Knowing what you are reading and judging its accuracy is extremely difficult, Particularly on a subject that is so important as this life and death one. Luckily Dixie is not sick and, after two very healthy years, I suspect the angels have blessed me with a little girl who was exposed but OK. The stomatistis has apparently disappeared and could easily have been from being on her own for a long time. I still need lots of help keeping her healthy and happy. She is my light. Often I feel like I am repeating myself too many times then realize that everyone has the same delete key I do. As for OT things--most of these conversations are labeled and, again, everyone has a delete key. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Malone To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:09 AM Subject: Some of us are so new to this all. There are some here that are new to this virus. We don't know much. That is specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that distress was caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have been reading and researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very saddened that some find it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies might be under. I have never had a sick cat-I have been very blessed. But I feel doubly blessed to have people who are willing to share information with me even if it is the hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics about this virus and understand less. I need help and information and I thank all that have shared.
Some of us are so new to this all.
There are some here that are new to this virus. We don't know much. That is specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that distress was caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have been reading and researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very saddened that some find it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies might be under. I have never had a sick cat-I have been very blessed. But I feel doubly blessed to have people who are willing to share information with me even if it is the hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics about this virus and understand less. I need help and information and I thank all that have shared.
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Good luck to you. I have some of the Mega C Plus, I'd try that, would also try daily low dose interferon, which has a variety of prices - ranging from expensive to cheap. The age 2.5 - 3 yrs is a tough time for FELV cats, least it's been for my guys. Give it all you've got. I sure hope they do well. Best wishes, Gloria On Mar 18, 2007, at 7:11 AM, catatonya wrote: I'm sorry for your bad news, but if your cat has hemobartonella and is on antibiotics this is very treatable. Don't give up! I'm sure you've got lots of good info. by now. Hang in there. My positive cat is 7 years old and perfectly healthy. It's not a death sentence! t C & J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I never would have thought two days ago that I would be discussing FeLV. I didn't even know what it was. Yesterday, I was devastated when I brought my favorite cat, Tomi, to the vet since he wasn't eating and was lethargic. I found out he was severely anemic because of a parasite in the blood and he tested positive for FeLV. The Vet was hinting that it didn't look good for Tomi, but I insisted they go ahead with a blood transfusion and antibiotics to treat the parasite. They said it was likely he got the parasite because of a weakened immune system. I have four other cats besides Tomi, and I brought them all in, kicking and screaming to be tested today. We found out that the kitten we took in the same time as Tomi (and his best friend) Kisa, also is positive, though she isn't showing any signs of it yet. They are both 2.5 years old. This has been an extremely hard couple of days for me, to have my happy family suddenly thrown into turmoil, so i've been searching the internet for any sign of hope. I found out about Interferon, and the vet is willing to give that a try, though he has to acquire it from somewhere first. I also found a site that claims Mega C Plus can really help a FeLV positive cat, and I ordered some, just to try, though it will probably take a couple of weeks to arrive. I brought Tomi home today, and need to give him antibiotic, steroids, and a vitamin supplement paste with B12 in it. I sure am not looking forward to shoving all these pills and the paste down his throat (the paste is supposed to taste good, but he doesn't like it). Now i'm basically waiting to see if Tomi can produce red blood cells on his own, and if he can't, then the transfusion will only be a temporary solution. I just can't bear to lose him, and possibly Kisa if she starts showing symptoms. This terrible disease sure makes you miss the happiness you had in your life before you are introduced to FeLV.
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I'm sorry for your bad news, but if your cat has hemobartonella and is on antibiotics this is very treatable. Don't give up! I'm sure you've got lots of good info. by now. Hang in there. My positive cat is 7 years old and perfectly healthy. It's not a death sentence! t C & J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I never would have thought two days ago that I would be discussing FeLV. I didn't even know what it was. Yesterday, I was devastated when I brought my favorite cat, Tomi, to the vet since he wasn't eating and was lethargic. I found out he was severely anemic because of a parasite in the blood and he tested positive for FeLV. The Vet was hinting that it didn't look good for Tomi, but I insisted they go ahead with a blood transfusion and antibiotics to treat the parasite. They said it was likely he got the parasite because of a weakened immune system. I have four other cats besides Tomi, and I brought them all in, kicking and screaming to be tested today. We found out that the kitten we took in the same time as Tomi (and his best friend) Kisa, also is positive, though she isn't showing any signs of it yet. They are both 2.5 years old. This has been an extremely hard couple of days for me, to have my happy family suddenly thrown into turmoil, so i've been searching the internet for any sign of hope. I found out about Interferon, and the vet is willing to give that a try, though he has to acquire it from somewhere first. I also found a site that claims Mega C Plus can really help a FeLV positive cat, and I ordered some, just to try, though it will probably take a couple of weeks to arrive. I brought Tomi home today, and need to give him antibiotic, steroids, and a vitamin supplement paste with B12 in it. I sure am not looking forward to shoving all these pills and the paste down his throat (the paste is supposed to taste good, but he doesn't like it). Now i'm basically waiting to see if Tomi can produce red blood cells on his own, and if he can't, then the transfusion will only be a temporary solution. I just can't bear to lose him, and possibly Kisa if she starts showing symptoms. This terrible disease sure makes you miss the happiness you had in your life before you are introduced to FeLV.
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Yeah, that;s the big problem, most of the "alternative" litters are much more expensive. That's the main reason I switched to Pine shavings, it's just so economical. I've had no issues with toxicity, allergies, etc - and one of my cats is highly allergic to almost everything, he loves to dig and roll in the clean boxes when I first change them. If I had an unlimited budget, I would probably use swheat scoop (even tho I hate scoopable litters). Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
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contact them and ask what's in it: http://www.elegantcatlitter.com/contactus.htm Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
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I was looking for various alternatives to clay litter in the pet store and what they had seemed to be rather expensive. I noticed one kind though, called "Elegant Cat" which is a flushable green cat litter that seemed reasonably priced. Have you heard of this type of litter? I haven't been able to determine what it is made of, it just says it is biodegradable, with chlorophyll for odor control. I did buy some pine shavings to see how they would react, as they didn't seem to care for the paper pellets all that much. - Original Message - From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:46 PM Subject: Re: Hello, I am new to this form of discussion My cats all hated the pelleted paper litter. They prefer wood shavings. Non-clumping wood shavings. Cedarific is a good brand of cat litter that is nice small sized and scoopable wood shavings (small enough they sift through a typical litterbox scoop), but I actually save a TON of money by buying horse stall pine wood shavings (though scooping is more of a hunt and pick thing than and scoop and sift thing). They come in a huge 50 pound bale and it only costs $3.25. If you must use a clumping litter, don't use a clay-based one, they are toxic and dangerous for ALL cats, not just FELV+ cats. Try the brands World's Best, or Swheat Scoop. Those are both corn or wheat based, and can be digested if ingested. Feline Fresh is a wood-based clumping litter and is much safer than clay, but obviously not as digestible as the wheat or corn would be. http://www.adirondackcraft.com/XPH/nep/ManufacturerProducts.htm (non-clumping wood - and the story behind the product - one of the reasons why I think it's such a good product is the ecological mind-set of the manufacturer) http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/dept.asp?dept_id=22&brand_id=60 (smaller bags sold here) Safer clumping alternatives: http://www.worldsbestcatlitter.com/products/world_best_cat_litter.php?PHPSESSID=250f17d9422e6520ec49404a19ffbd81 http://www.swheatscoop.com/ http://www.felinefresh.com/felineSc.htm Horse stall shavings: http://www.championshavings.com/samples.html (this is just one company I found online, go to your local livestock supply or horse supply store to buy locally for less $) http://www.championshavings.com/pic_pages/pg04.htm (picture of actual shavings) Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.10/720 - Release Date: 3/12/2007 7:19 PM
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Albacore tuna in a can, specifically the Wal Mart brand for some reason jump starts our cats to eat when sick. It has never failed us yet. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Hello, I am new to this form of discussion Hi Cassandra, Yes, I buy my salmon oil at the health food store. I have a cat on my lap, so I can't go get the name brand for you right now, but it's 100% wild salmon oil, no additives or other ingredients. They are gel caps that I puncture with a pin. I add it to a homemade food that I give my IBD girl. It's good for their coat and has those wonderful omegas that help with inflammation and arthritic joint pain too. If they like the flavor and smell of fish, it sometimes gets them eating because it's so stinky. Some other things you can try are giving him smaller portions off food at a time, warming it to bring out the aroma, use a plate instead of a bowl, or visa versa, sometimes they'll lap when they won't chew, so maybe a little bit of warmed milk, or yogurt; sour cream; meat baby food; even just the water from a can of tuna. Anything to jump start their eating. I've followed a reluctant eater around on my hands and knees shoving the plate of food under their nose and begging them to eat. Sometimes putting a little bit of food directly and gently in their mouths will get them started. Hang in there, Nina C & J wrote: > Where do you buy salmon oil, is it a health food store type of thing, > or something you can buy at the grocery store? > > Tomi is eating some food, but his appetite isn't as good as it should > be. He comes looking for food when we feed all the cats, but sometimes > only sniffs it and doesn't eat. The salmon oil might make it more > appetizing to him. > > I can see already how much of a rollercoaster this is. I dread > feeding time because i'm either excited when he eats or scared when he > turns his nose up at it. It's too bad they can't talk to us and tell > us how they're feeling, so we don't have to guess every day. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/723 - Release Date: 3/15/2007 11:27 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/723 - Release Date: 3/15/2007 11:27 AM
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Hi Cassandra, Yes, I buy my salmon oil at the health food store. I have a cat on my lap, so I can't go get the name brand for you right now, but it's 100% wild salmon oil, no additives or other ingredients. They are gel caps that I puncture with a pin. I add it to a homemade food that I give my IBD girl. It's good for their coat and has those wonderful omegas that help with inflammation and arthritic joint pain too. If they like the flavor and smell of fish, it sometimes gets them eating because it's so stinky. Some other things you can try are giving him smaller portions off food at a time, warming it to bring out the aroma, use a plate instead of a bowl, or visa versa, sometimes they'll lap when they won't chew, so maybe a little bit of warmed milk, or yogurt; sour cream; meat baby food; even just the water from a can of tuna. Anything to jump start their eating. I've followed a reluctant eater around on my hands and knees shoving the plate of food under their nose and begging them to eat. Sometimes putting a little bit of food directly and gently in their mouths will get them started. Hang in there, Nina C & J wrote: Where do you buy salmon oil, is it a health food store type of thing, or something you can buy at the grocery store? Tomi is eating some food, but his appetite isn't as good as it should be. He comes looking for food when we feed all the cats, but sometimes only sniffs it and doesn't eat. The salmon oil might make it more appetizing to him. I can see already how much of a rollercoaster this is. I dread feeding time because i'm either excited when he eats or scared when he turns his nose up at it. It's too bad they can't talk to us and tell us how they're feeling, so we don't have to guess every day.
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Thanks for the info, Lance. Kitty kisses to Ember, elizabeth On 3/14/07, Lance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thought I might chime in on some of these questions. The TF caps aren't very large, and they are easy to give in any form you like, since they can easily be opened and their contents dumped in food. Ember gets hers in canned Innova EVO. More importantly, there's a big difference between TF Plus Advanced and TF Feline Complete. TF Plus Advanced contains a number of immune boosters that aren't available in TF Feline Complete, while Feline Complete contains vitamins, minerals and probiotics. If some of the info on the web about TF and animals is true, more profound results can be gotten by giving sick animals TF Plus Advanced. I think both products are helpful, depending on an animals' situtation. If Ember wasn't FeLV+, I might put her on TF Feline Complete. Since she is positive, I'm giving her the TF Plus Advanced, which probably boosts her immune system more than any of the other TF formulas. The TF Feline Complete does have a cheese and whey flavor to it that cats theoretically enjoy. Lance On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:48:46 -0800, "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Do you know how large the capsules of TF are? They may be too big to > pill Tomi with and then you'll be spending the extra money for capsules > when you could just as easily get the powder. I would call them up and > ask them about it. They may put flavoring in the TF powder made for > animals that they don't add to the caps as well. Check it out before > you decide which product to try. As Lance said, colostrum and TF are > not the same things, they are not interchangeable. -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Where do you buy salmon oil, is it a health food store type of thing, or something you can buy at the grocery store? Tomi is eating some food, but his appetite isn't as good as it should be. He comes looking for food when we feed all the cats, but sometimes only sniffs it and doesn't eat. The salmon oil might make it more appetizing to him. I can see already how much of a rollercoaster this is. I dread feeding time because i'm either excited when he eats or scared when he turns his nose up at it. It's too bad they can't talk to us and tell us how they're feeling, so we don't have to guess every day. - Original Message - From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:48 AM Subject: Re: Hello, I am new to this form of discussion Ewww, I wouldn't want to squirt Pet-tinic in anyone's mouth! I taste most everything I give my kids and I never had the nerve to taste Pet-tinic. The smell alone tells me it has a very strong flavor. I mix it in with wet food when I give it. If Tomi isn't big on canned food, you might be able to sneak small amounts of whatever into small portions of tuna or baby food. I'm glad he's eating his dry food. You might be able to mix TF into some of his dry. Does Tomi like fish flavors? If he does, you might try squeezing a few drops of salmon oil on some dry food to see if he'll eat it. If he does, you could then mix in a tiny bit of TF, (it will stick to the oil coated dry). Try feeding him one kibble at a time treated in this way. Both salmon oil and TF are usually pleasant tasting to kitties, you might be able to supplement him this way. Do you know how large the capsules of TF are? They may be too big to pill Tomi with and then you'll be spending the extra money for capsules when you could just as easily get the powder. I would call them up and ask them about it. They may put flavoring in the TF powder made for animals that they don't add to the caps as well. Check it out before you decide which product to try. As Lance said, colostrum and TF are not the same things, they are not interchangeable. I'm so pleased to hear that Tomi is feeling a bit better. I hope it's not the case, but you might want to fasten your seat belt. Dealing with felv can be a very scary roller coaster ride. Try not to think about the possibility of Kisa getting sick. I know it's easier to say than do, but it won't help and the stress of worrying might even hurt. Love them, give them the best care you can and watch them closely for any changes in mood or behavior. Make your decisions one at a time to the best of your ability. That's all any of us can do. Nina
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Hi Lance, Since you've done your homework about TF... Do you know the difference between the TF Plus Advanced and TF Stress formula? I've always ordered the sf, but now I can't remember why I made that decision in the first place. I don't have any felv in the house right now and don't give TF regularly. I only add it when someone is fighting something off. Any insights would be appreciated. Thanks for chiming, Nina Lance wrote: Thought I might chime in on some of these questions. The TF caps aren't very large, and they are easy to give in any form you like, since they can easily be opened and their contents dumped in food. Ember gets hers in canned Innova EVO. More importantly, there's a big difference between TF Plus Advanced and TF Feline Complete. TF Plus Advanced contains a number of immune boosters that aren't available in TF Feline Complete, while Feline Complete contains vitamins, minerals and probiotics. If some of the info on the web about TF and animals is true, more profound results can be gotten by giving sick animals TF Plus Advanced. I think both products are helpful, depending on an animals' situtation. If Ember wasn't FeLV+, I might put her on TF Feline Complete. Since she is positive, I'm giving her the TF Plus Advanced, which probably boosts her immune system more than any of the other TF formulas. The TF Feline Complete does have a cheese and whey flavor to it that cats theoretically enjoy. Lance
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Thought I might chime in on some of these questions. The TF caps aren't very large, and they are easy to give in any form you like, since they can easily be opened and their contents dumped in food. Ember gets hers in canned Innova EVO. More importantly, there's a big difference between TF Plus Advanced and TF Feline Complete. TF Plus Advanced contains a number of immune boosters that aren't available in TF Feline Complete, while Feline Complete contains vitamins, minerals and probiotics. If some of the info on the web about TF and animals is true, more profound results can be gotten by giving sick animals TF Plus Advanced. I think both products are helpful, depending on an animals' situtation. If Ember wasn't FeLV+, I might put her on TF Feline Complete. Since she is positive, I'm giving her the TF Plus Advanced, which probably boosts her immune system more than any of the other TF formulas. The TF Feline Complete does have a cheese and whey flavor to it that cats theoretically enjoy. Lance On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:48:46 -0800, "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Do you know how large the capsules of TF are? They may be too big to > pill Tomi with and then you'll be spending the extra money for capsules > when you could just as easily get the powder. I would call them up and > ask them about it. They may put flavoring in the TF powder made for > animals that they don't add to the caps as well. Check it out before > you decide which product to try. As Lance said, colostrum and TF are > not the same things, they are not interchangeable. -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ewww, I wouldn't want to squirt Pet-tinic in anyone's mouth! I taste most everything I give my kids and I never had the nerve to taste Pet-tinic. The smell alone tells me it has a very strong flavor. I mix it in with wet food when I give it. If Tomi isn't big on canned food, you might be able to sneak small amounts of whatever into small portions of tuna or baby food. I'm glad he's eating his dry food. You might be able to mix TF into some of his dry. Does Tomi like fish flavors? If he does, you might try squeezing a few drops of salmon oil on some dry food to see if he'll eat it. If he does, you could then mix in a tiny bit of TF, (it will stick to the oil coated dry). Try feeding him one kibble at a time treated in this way. Both salmon oil and TF are usually pleasant tasting to kitties, you might be able to supplement him this way. Do you know how large the capsules of TF are? They may be too big to pill Tomi with and then you'll be spending the extra money for capsules when you could just as easily get the powder. I would call them up and ask them about it. They may put flavoring in the TF powder made for animals that they don't add to the caps as well. Check it out before you decide which product to try. As Lance said, colostrum and TF are not the same things, they are not interchangeable. I'm so pleased to hear that Tomi is feeling a bit better. I hope it's not the case, but you might want to fasten your seat belt. Dealing with felv can be a very scary roller coaster ride. Try not to think about the possibility of Kisa getting sick. I know it's easier to say than do, but it won't help and the stress of worrying might even hurt. Love them, give them the best care you can and watch them closely for any changes in mood or behavior. Make your decisions one at a time to the best of your ability. That's all any of us can do. Nina C & J wrote: Thank you for the responses all, its really informative. I haven't used Interferon yet, as my vet is still looking into it. I think Tomi is feeling a bit better today, he seemed to really like the dry Innova food and ate quite a bit, but only tasted the canned Innova. He doesn't seem to like canned food at all lately, so putting any supplements in his food is not going to work very well. I'll have to ask the vet if they have pet tinic. It would probably be easier to squirt some of that into his mouth rather than making him swallow a bunch of paste. I would like to try the Transfer Factor, and i'm probably going to order it yet, even though its $60 for 60 capsules, plus shipping. Would the Colostrum from a health food store work as well as the Transfer Factor? It sounds like the same thing, with the Transfer Factor just being more expensive. We'll see too if he'll use the paper litter, its in pellet form, and he's not exactly sure he likes the feel of it on his feet. I do have 4 other cats, so I still have clumping litter in the house, I just put Tomi and Kisa together in a separate room for the night with the alternate litter. My spirits are a little higher today after seeing that Tomi is feeling better. I just hope he can continue to pull through. Its so scary to think that he or Kisa could get so sick at any moment. Cassandra
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Hi Cassandra, I don't think that colostrum and TF are the same thing. All formulas of TF seem to have colostrum in them, but I gather they're more than that, though perhaps not in the case of Transfer Factor Classic. It seems that Transfer Factor Plus Advanced goes far beyond the scope of basic TF, and can really boost the immune system. Unfortunately, that's also the most expensive of the TF formulas, and I'm guessing that's what you're looking at when you say it's $60 for 60 capsules. The capsules are standard gel-caps, and they're extremely easy to "unscrew" so that you can dump the actual TF into wet food. Lance On Mar 12, 2007, at 11:12 PM, C & J wrote: Thank you for the responses all, its really informative. I haven't used Interferon yet, as my vet is still looking into it. I think Tomi is feeling a bit better today, he seemed to really like the dry Innova food and ate quite a bit, but only tasted the canned Innova. He doesn't seem to like canned food at all lately, so putting any supplements in his food is not going to work very well. I'll have to ask the vet if they have pet tinic. It would probably be easier to squirt some of that into his mouth rather than making him swallow a bunch of paste. I would like to try the Transfer Factor, and i'm probably going to order it yet, even though its $60 for 60 capsules, plus shipping. Would the Colostrum from a health food store work as well as the Transfer Factor? It sounds like the same thing, with the Transfer Factor just being more expensive. We'll see too if he'll use the paper litter, its in pellet form, and he's not exactly sure he likes the feel of it on his feet. I do have 4 other cats, so I still have clumping litter in the house, I just put Tomi and Kisa together in a separate room for the night with the alternate litter. My spirits are a little higher today after seeing that Tomi is feeling better. I just hope he can continue to pull through. Its so scary to think that he or Kisa could get so sick at any moment. Cassandra - Original Message - From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 8:36 PM Subject: Re: Hello, I am new to this form of discussion Hi Tomi's guardian, Sorry, what's your name? It was suspected that my Grace had Hemobart too. Belinda is right that Doxy is prescribed long-term for this. The abx retards the growth of new parasites, (doesn't actually kill it off), so it's needed longer than the usual 7-10 days to give the body a chance to destroy the infestation. My Internist wanted Grace to remain on it indefinitely. Instead I would give it to her whenever she was showing signs of anemia, at first I'd keep her on it for a month at a time. Grace too was in terrible shape when I first started medicating her with Doxy and she did bounce back. Are you the one that posted about using Interferon Alpha 7 days on and 7 days off? I know that the "pulse" method is a standard protocol, but whenever Grace was showing symptoms, I'd give it to her daily until she began to feel better. I've also upped the dose to as much as 3 ccs daily when they are fighting something off. I don't think the benefits of Nutri-cal are worth forcing it on Tomi. It's mostly corn syrup anyway. If he's eating, (is he eating?), then I wouldn't worry too much about fighting with him over it. I'd try mixing in a small amount of Pet-tinic, (or another multi vita sup) into his food. If the vet feels strongly about making sure Tomi has vita B12, he could give him an injection of it, (although it does sting). I order TF in a powder, I didn't even know they made TF in pill form. I've never had anyone refuse it mixed in food. I don't usually add the full amount suggested in one serving though. You can also get Tomi regular colostrum at the health food store to add to his food. It's good that you got Tomi the paper litter, you might want to try one of the corn based litters too. Just be sure and not have any of the clumping litter in the house, it's very dangerous to have them eating that. Did you buy the Innova dry or wet? So far I've never had a cat turn their nose up at the dry. One more tip for you... If Tomi's appetite is good, you might be able to hide his pills in Pill Pockets. Most of my guys won't eat the pill pocket by itself. What I do is use about half the pill pocket to form around the pill and then hide it in a small amount of something really yummy, like tuna, or meat baby food. I have one guy that will eat his pill pocketed pill if I give it to him with a couple of those nasty Temptation treats. Hang in there my dear. You are doing wonderfully. We al
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My cats all hated the pelleted paper litter. They prefer wood shavings. Non-clumping wood shavings. Cedarific is a good brand of cat litter that is nice small sized and scoopable wood shavings (small enough they sift through a typical litterbox scoop), but I actually save a TON of money by buying horse stall pine wood shavings (though scooping is more of a hunt and pick thing than and scoop and sift thing). They come in a huge 50 pound bale and it only costs $3.25. If you must use a clumping litter, don't use a clay-based one, they are toxic and dangerous for ALL cats, not just FELV+ cats. Try the brands World's Best, or Swheat Scoop. Those are both corn or wheat based, and can be digested if ingested. Feline Fresh is a wood-based clumping litter and is much safer than clay, but obviously not as digestible as the wheat or corn would be. http://www.adirondackcraft.com/XPH/nep/ManufacturerProducts.htm (non-clumping wood - and the story behind the product - one of the reasons why I think it's such a good product is the ecological mind-set of the manufacturer) http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/dept.asp?dept_id=22&brand_id=60 (smaller bags sold here) Safer clumping alternatives: http://www.worldsbestcatlitter.com/products/world_best_cat_litter.php?PHPSESSID=250f17d9422e6520ec49404a19ffbd81 http://www.swheatscoop.com/ http://www.felinefresh.com/felineSc.htm Horse stall shavings: http://www.championshavings.com/samples.html (this is just one company I found online, go to your local livestock supply or horse supply store to buy locally for less $) http://www.championshavings.com/pic_pages/pg04.htm (picture of actual shavings) Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
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Hemobartonella is completely curable, even in FELV+ cats. Don't throw in the towel just yet! Keep up with the treatment, and it's likely your baby will be just fine! It is good to know of the FELV status anyways, but I certainly wouldn't assume that the FELV has become symptomatic just because the cat caught hemobart. The two things are often totally unrelated. Cats without FELV do catch Hemobart, and cats that caught Hemobart are often not FELV positive! Keep a positive outlook, and ASSUME your cat will recover fully from the Hemobart, that is the right way to go about approaching this circumstance. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
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Thank you for the responses all, its really informative. I haven't used Interferon yet, as my vet is still looking into it. I think Tomi is feeling a bit better today, he seemed to really like the dry Innova food and ate quite a bit, but only tasted the canned Innova. He doesn't seem to like canned food at all lately, so putting any supplements in his food is not going to work very well. I'll have to ask the vet if they have pet tinic. It would probably be easier to squirt some of that into his mouth rather than making him swallow a bunch of paste. I would like to try the Transfer Factor, and i'm probably going to order it yet, even though its $60 for 60 capsules, plus shipping. Would the Colostrum from a health food store work as well as the Transfer Factor? It sounds like the same thing, with the Transfer Factor just being more expensive. We'll see too if he'll use the paper litter, its in pellet form, and he's not exactly sure he likes the feel of it on his feet. I do have 4 other cats, so I still have clumping litter in the house, I just put Tomi and Kisa together in a separate room for the night with the alternate litter. My spirits are a little higher today after seeing that Tomi is feeling better. I just hope he can continue to pull through. Its so scary to think that he or Kisa could get so sick at any moment. Cassandra - Original Message - From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 8:36 PM Subject: Re: Hello, I am new to this form of discussion Hi Tomi's guardian, Sorry, what's your name? It was suspected that my Grace had Hemobart too. Belinda is right that Doxy is prescribed long-term for this. The abx retards the growth of new parasites, (doesn't actually kill it off), so it's needed longer than the usual 7-10 days to give the body a chance to destroy the infestation. My Internist wanted Grace to remain on it indefinitely. Instead I would give it to her whenever she was showing signs of anemia, at first I'd keep her on it for a month at a time. Grace too was in terrible shape when I first started medicating her with Doxy and she did bounce back. Are you the one that posted about using Interferon Alpha 7 days on and 7 days off? I know that the "pulse" method is a standard protocol, but whenever Grace was showing symptoms, I'd give it to her daily until she began to feel better. I've also upped the dose to as much as 3 ccs daily when they are fighting something off. I don't think the benefits of Nutri-cal are worth forcing it on Tomi. It's mostly corn syrup anyway. If he's eating, (is he eating?), then I wouldn't worry too much about fighting with him over it. I'd try mixing in a small amount of Pet-tinic, (or another multi vita sup) into his food. If the vet feels strongly about making sure Tomi has vita B12, he could give him an injection of it, (although it does sting). I order TF in a powder, I didn't even know they made TF in pill form. I've never had anyone refuse it mixed in food. I don't usually add the full amount suggested in one serving though. You can also get Tomi regular colostrum at the health food store to add to his food. It's good that you got Tomi the paper litter, you might want to try one of the corn based litters too. Just be sure and not have any of the clumping litter in the house, it's very dangerous to have them eating that. Did you buy the Innova dry or wet? So far I've never had a cat turn their nose up at the dry. One more tip for you... If Tomi's appetite is good, you might be able to hide his pills in Pill Pockets. Most of my guys won't eat the pill pocket by itself. What I do is use about half the pill pocket to form around the pill and then hide it in a small amount of something really yummy, like tuna, or meat baby food. I have one guy that will eat his pill pocketed pill if I give it to him with a couple of those nasty Temptation treats. Hang in there my dear. You are doing wonderfully. We all know how overwhelming and expensive it can be. Just do the best you can and try to keep your spirits up. Continue to make decisions from your heart and take things one day at a time. Shower those angels of yours with love. My prayers are with you, Nina
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Hi Tomi's guardian, Sorry, what's your name? It was suspected that my Grace had Hemobart too. Belinda is right that Doxy is prescribed long-term for this. The abx retards the growth of new parasites, (doesn't actually kill it off), so it's needed longer than the usual 7-10 days to give the body a chance to destroy the infestation. My Internist wanted Grace to remain on it indefinitely. Instead I would give it to her whenever she was showing signs of anemia, at first I'd keep her on it for a month at a time. Grace too was in terrible shape when I first started medicating her with Doxy and she did bounce back. Are you the one that posted about using Interferon Alpha 7 days on and 7 days off? I know that the "pulse" method is a standard protocol, but whenever Grace was showing symptoms, I'd give it to her daily until she began to feel better. I've also upped the dose to as much as 3 ccs daily when they are fighting something off. I don't think the benefits of Nutri-cal are worth forcing it on Tomi. It's mostly corn syrup anyway. If he's eating, (is he eating?), then I wouldn't worry too much about fighting with him over it. I'd try mixing in a small amount of Pet-tinic, (or another multi vita sup) into his food. If the vet feels strongly about making sure Tomi has vita B12, he could give him an injection of it, (although it does sting). I order TF in a powder, I didn't even know they made TF in pill form. I've never had anyone refuse it mixed in food. I don't usually add the full amount suggested in one serving though. You can also get Tomi regular colostrum at the health food store to add to his food. It's good that you got Tomi the paper litter, you might want to try one of the corn based litters too. Just be sure and not have any of the clumping litter in the house, it's very dangerous to have them eating that. Did you buy the Innova dry or wet? So far I've never had a cat turn their nose up at the dry. One more tip for you... If Tomi's appetite is good, you might be able to hide his pills in Pill Pockets. Most of my guys won't eat the pill pocket by itself. What I do is use about half the pill pocket to form around the pill and then hide it in a small amount of something really yummy, like tuna, or meat baby food. I have one guy that will eat his pill pocketed pill if I give it to him with a couple of those nasty Temptation treats. Hang in there my dear. You are doing wonderfully. We all know how overwhelming and expensive it can be. Just do the best you can and try to keep your spirits up. Continue to make decisions from your heart and take things one day at a time. Shower those angels of yours with love. My prayers are with you, Nina C & J wrote: Yes Tomi is on doxocycline for the parasite hemobartonella. They gave me a small container of pills to give 2, once a day, but there's not enough there for 4-6 weeks. As well, he's on prednosone for the week to keep him from destroying his new blood cells. His red blood count is at 16 right now. The vet also gave me a tube of paste, called Nutri-Cal that is high in vitamin B12, iron, etc. Its supposed to be palatable, but Tomi doesn't like it, so I have to stick it to the roof of his mouth to get him to eat it. I went out and bought the Innovo Evo food, as well as some litter made out of recycled paper, so that hopefully he won't try to eat it. I tried giving him some Noni juice, but I started thinking that maybe he shouldn't be taking a supplement that boosts the immune system while he's on the prednosone to suppress the immune system. Also maybe the Transfer factor plus advanced would be better than the Noni since it comes in pill form. My cats seem to actually gag a bit on the Noni since it tastes so bad. It might take awhile to ship the Transfer factor to Canada though. This whole process is a little overwhelming and expensive, but worth it if I can give my little guy (and girl if she starts getting sick) a chance. - Original Message - From: "Belinda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Hello, I am new to this form of discussion Hi, Sorry you have had to find us but Tomi is in good hands. Is he on doxocycline and is the parasite hemobartonella? If the anemia is due to that the doxy should get his blood count back up once the hemobartonella is under control, he should be on the doxy for a minimum of 4 to 6 weeks. You can give him Nutrived in the mean time to help him build red cells, it has vitamin B, folic acid and iron ALL are needed to build blood. I buy it here: http://www.calvetsupply.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=33 -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Po
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Yes Tomi is on doxocycline for the parasite hemobartonella. They gave me a small container of pills to give 2, once a day, but there's not enough there for 4-6 weeks. As well, he's on prednosone for the week to keep him from destroying his new blood cells. His red blood count is at 16 right now. The vet also gave me a tube of paste, called Nutri-Cal that is high in vitamin B12, iron, etc. Its supposed to be palatable, but Tomi doesn't like it, so I have to stick it to the roof of his mouth to get him to eat it. I went out and bought the Innovo Evo food, as well as some litter made out of recycled paper, so that hopefully he won't try to eat it. I tried giving him some Noni juice, but I started thinking that maybe he shouldn't be taking a supplement that boosts the immune system while he's on the prednosone to suppress the immune system. Also maybe the Transfer factor plus advanced would be better than the Noni since it comes in pill form. My cats seem to actually gag a bit on the Noni since it tastes so bad. It might take awhile to ship the Transfer factor to Canada though. This whole process is a little overwhelming and expensive, but worth it if I can give my little guy (and girl if she starts getting sick) a chance. - Original Message - From: "Belinda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Hello, I am new to this form of discussion Hi, Sorry you have had to find us but Tomi is in good hands. Is he on doxocycline and is the parasite hemobartonella? If the anemia is due to that the doxy should get his blood count back up once the hemobartonella is under control, he should be on the doxy for a minimum of 4 to 6 weeks. You can give him Nutrived in the mean time to help him build red cells, it has vitamin B, folic acid and iron ALL are needed to build blood. I buy it here: http://www.calvetsupply.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=33 -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.9/719 - Release Date: 3/12/2007 8:41 AM
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Hi, Sorry you have had to find us but Tomi is in good hands. Is he on doxocycline and is the parasite hemobartonella? If the anemia is due to that the doxy should get his blood count back up once the hemobartonella is under control, he should be on the doxy for a minimum of 4 to 6 weeks. You can give him Nutrived in the mean time to help him build red cells, it has vitamin B, folic acid and iron ALL are needed to build blood. I buy it here: http://www.calvetsupply.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=33 -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Hello, I know *exactly* how you feel. A year ago last Tuesday, our family was thrown into the same, painful spiral that you're going through. We lost one kitten to FeLV, and her playmate, who is my own cat, tested positive for FeLV. I spent the next month just trying to emotionally recover, but it does get better. My cat, Ember, is still with me, and seems to be doing well. It's possible that, if we had ignored the inexperienced vet who gave my mom no hope for her kitten, Sadie might be still with us today. I've since taken Ember to a new vet who is open to trying whatever I want to try and who doesn't recommend euthanasia right off the bat for something like this. I also found a nearby holistic vet who has been invaluable. Not only is there no cure for FeLV that we know of, but it seems that every cat reacts differently to the disease. In Ember's case, she is on interferon alpha, which is what I'd imagine your vet will be getting for your cats. There is another interferon (brand name: Virbagen Omega) that is specifically for cats, though unfortunately, it's vastly more expensive. It also seems to have a more dramatic effect, especially when FeLV+ cats are having problems. My Ember is on interferon alpha doses, which she gets orally at home. I also have good reason to believe that Transfer Factor Plus Advanced and Liquid DMG have helped boost her immune system. Finally, Ember is getting Mega C Plus in her morning bowl of food. We only started this recently, and I can't vouch for how much it may have helped. It makes sense that it would at least provide good nutritional support. I also feed Innova EVO, which is a high quality, high protein food. Most of us on this list try to feed higher quality food when we can afford to do so. This seems to be the top recommendation from most folks on how to treat FeLV+ cats. There are other good brands, and high quality does not necessarily mean a much higher price. Others here can probably recommend other foods. Other brands that have worked well for Ember are Felidae and Chicken Soup for the Cat Lover's Soul. The treatments that we have used for Ember (as listed above), **seem** to have helped her. Last October, her white blood cell count went way down, and she also developed anemia. I started her on Liquid DMG and Transfer Factor Plus Advanced, and she was back to normal within a month. Did those supplements help, or did something else happen that helped her to recover? There's no way to know, unfortunately. I'll be more than happy to answer any other questions you have via e- mail or the list. We are here to help you. Tomi and Kisa will be in my thoughts and prayers. Lance On Mar 10, 2007, at 7:32 PM, C & J wrote: I never would have thought two days ago that I would be discussing FeLV. I didn't even know what it was. Yesterday, I was devastated when I brought my favorite cat, Tomi, to the vet since he wasn't eating and was lethargic. I found out he was severely anemic because of a parasite in the blood and he tested positive for FeLV. The Vet was hinting that it didn't look good for Tomi, but I insisted they go ahead with a blood transfusion and antibiotics to treat the parasite. They said it was likely he got the parasite because of a weakened immune system. I have four other cats besides Tomi, and I brought them all in, kicking and screaming to be tested today. We found out that the kitten we took in the same time as Tomi (and his best friend) Kisa, also is positive, though she isn't showing any signs of it yet. They are both 2.5 years old. This has been an extremely hard couple of days for me, to have my happy family suddenly thrown into turmoil, so i've been searching the internet for any sign of hope. I found out about Interferon, and the vet is willing to give that a try, though he has to acquire it from somewhere first. I also found a site that claims Mega C Plus can really help a FeLV positive cat, and I ordered some, just to try, though it will probably take a couple of weeks to arrive. I brought Tomi home today, and need to give him antibiotic, steroids, and a vitamin supplement paste with B12 in it. I sure am not looking forward to shoving all these pills and the paste down his throat (the paste is supposed to taste good, but he doesn't like it). Now i'm basically waiting to see if Tomi can produce red blood cells on his own, and if he can't, then the transfusion will only be a temporary solution. I just can't bear to lose him, and possibly Kisa if she starts showing symptoms. This terrible disease sure makes you miss the happiness you had in your life before you are introduced to FeLV.
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Thank you for listening to your heart. A frightening number of vets recommend euthanasia without further evaluation. You did very well. I am sure you will get a lot of responses here -- but there is hope and life after a FeVL+ diagnosis. Mama Kitty wasn't supposed to live but a few weeks. She's getting close to the 1 year mark. I know people with FeVL+ babies who lived past 12. Be encouraged -- and keep posting! elizabeth On 3/10/07, C & J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I never would have thought two days ago that I would be discussing FeLV. I didn't even know what it was. Yesterday, I was devastated when I brought my favorite cat, Tomi, to the vet since he wasn't eating and was lethargic. I found out he was severely anemic because of a parasite in the blood and he tested positive for FeLV. The Vet was hinting that it didn't look good for Tomi, but I insisted they go ahead with a blood transfusion and antibiotics to treat the parasite. They said it was likely he got the parasite because of a weakened immune system. I have four other cats besides Tomi, and I brought them all in, kicking and screaming to be tested today. We found out that the kitten we took in the same time as Tomi (and his best friend) Kisa, also is positive, though she isn't showing any signs of it yet. They are both 2.5 years old. This has been an extremely hard couple of days for me, to have my happy family suddenly thrown into turmoil, so i've been searching the internet for any sign of hope. I found out about Interferon, and the vet is willing to give that a try, though he has to acquire it from somewhere first. I also found a site that claims Mega C Plus can really help a FeLV positive cat, and I ordered some, just to try, though it will probably take a couple of weeks to arrive. I brought Tomi home today, and need to give him antibiotic, steroids, and a vitamin supplement paste with B12 in it. I sure am not looking forward to shoving all these pills and the paste down his throat (the paste is supposed to taste good, but he doesn't like it). Now i'm basically waiting to see if Tomi can produce red blood cells on his own, and if he can't, then the transfusion will only be a temporary solution. I just can't bear to lose him, and possibly Kisa if she starts showing symptoms. This terrible disease sure makes you miss the happiness you had in your life before you are introduced to FeLV.
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At 05:32 PM 3/10/2007, you wrote: Sorry you need to join us under theses circumstances, but after you digest so much and things settle down and you spend te next week reading all the old posts and your baby starts to feel a bit better you will get your happiness back again, I will not even get into the multitudes of treatment options as you have enough to handle now, and it sounds like your vet is being supportive, But stay here with us ,,all of us that ae doing the same things and ask all the questions you need to. It is a lot to learn and we are still learning and sharing. kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com I never would have thought two days ago that I would be discussing FeLV. I didn't even know what it was. Yesterday, I was devastated when I brought my favorite cat, Tomi, to the vet since he wasn't eating and was lethargic. I found out he was severely anemic because of a parasite in the blood and he tested positive for FeLV. The Vet was hinting that it didn't look good for Tomi, but I insisted they go ahead with a blood transfusion and antibiotics to treat the parasite. They said it was likely he got the parasite because of a weakened immune system. I have four other cats besides Tomi, and I brought them all in, kicking and screaming to be tested today. We found out that the kitten we took in the same time as Tomi (and his best friend) Kisa, also is positive, though she isn't showing any signs of it yet. They are both 2.5 years old. This has been an extremely hard couple of days for me, to have my happy family suddenly thrown into turmoil, so i've been searching the internet for any sign of hope. I found out about Interferon, and the vet is willing to give that a try, though he has to acquire it from somewhere first. I also found a site that claims Mega C Plus can really help a FeLV positive cat, and I ordered some, just to try, though it will probably take a couple of weeks to arrive. I brought Tomi home today, and need to give him antibiotic, steroids, and a vitamin supplement paste with B12 in it. I sure am not looking forward to shoving all these pills and the paste down his throat (the paste is supposed to taste good, but he doesn't like it). Now i'm basically waiting to see if Tomi can produce red blood cells on his own, and if he can't, then the transfusion will only be a temporary solution. I just can't bear to lose him, and possibly Kisa if she starts showing symptoms. This terrible disease sure makes you miss the happiness you had in your life before you are introduced to FeLV. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/716 - Release Date: 3/9/2007
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I never would have thought two days ago that I would be discussing FeLV. I didn't even know what it was. Yesterday, I was devastated when I brought my favorite cat, Tomi, to the vet since he wasn't eating and was lethargic. I found out he was severely anemic because of a parasite in the blood and he tested positive for FeLV. The Vet was hinting that it didn't look good for Tomi, but I insisted they go ahead with a blood transfusion and antibiotics to treat the parasite. They said it was likely he got the parasite because of a weakened immune system. I have four other cats besides Tomi, and I brought them all in, kicking and screaming to be tested today. We found out that the kitten we took in the same time as Tomi (and his best friend) Kisa, also is positive, though she isn't showing any signs of it yet. They are both 2.5 years old. This has been an extremely hard couple of days for me, to have my happy family suddenly thrown into turmoil, so i've been searching the internet for any sign of hope. I found out about Interferon, and the vet is willing to give that a try, though he has to acquire it from somewhere first. I also found a site that claims Mega C Plus can really help a FeLV positive cat, and I ordered some, just to try, though it will probably take a couple of weeks to arrive. I brought Tomi home today, and need to give him antibiotic, steroids, and a vitamin supplement paste with B12 in it. I sure am not looking forward to shoving all these pills and the paste down his throat (the paste is supposed to taste good, but he doesn't like it). Now i'm basically waiting to see if Tomi can produce red blood cells on his own, and if he can't, then the transfusion will only be a temporary solution. I just can't bear to lose him, and possibly Kisa if she starts showing symptoms. This terrible disease sure makes you miss the happiness you had in your life before you are introduced to FeLV.
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Hi, I use to have 18 cats both -&+ and I had no choice but to mix them because I live in a one bedroom condo. To the best of my knowledge none of my - became +. Many of my + lived long enough to die because of problems that come with old age. And then some of them died as young as 3mos. of age. It never gets any easier, but I have been blessed with the number of cats that have passe thru my life
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Well, for me the most important thing was their quality of life. Mine had all lived together for years & to take someone out of the mix or separate would just have made them all miserable… I didn’t separate when Tucson was first found pos because if they were to catch it, they would have already! I did get the neg cats tested & vaccinated & will do so every year. Its hard for healthy adult cats to get the disease. Many of the web sites are really outdated, including, I’m afraid, the Cornell site. You have to keep in mind that this is not a new disease—been around forever—its just that as research/testing about viruses was done, this disease was ‘discovered’. I suspect that many more cats have the virus than anybody knows . My family always had cats, indoor/outdoor; at a time when they just never went to vet. Well some lived to their twenties & others died much younger. Who would ever know if any had FELV? My guess is that many did but we just didn’t know/test… Many vets will tell you that cats will die quickly—you’ve already posts about adult cats still thriving even if they test positive. My vet felt that the vaccine was good & to just leave things alone. Granted no vaccine is 100% but we accept those chances with our own human vaccines so why not for the kitties! Bottom line is that you’ll never really know who had FELV first. Could be the little one, could be Thor… I would want both pos to have the IFA test just to be sure. You will not read too many studies that recommend mixing & many vets won’t make the reco as they are all afraid someone is going to come back and sue them if cats get sick…. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kris Kulak Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:07 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New To This My vet is dead set against it. I'm glad. I'm just having a difficult time deciding what to do. So many people have stated that they've mixed their cats back up, but I haven't read one study that recommends that. As-a-matter-of-a-fact, they're all against it. I guess I need more input from people who've blended the family again. I've got three weeks before I really need to make a final decision. I keep going back and forth on this. I mean, what if the little guy (Luna) is able to shake this thin and eventually test negative? Is it possible that Thor, the older kitten that is sick right now, will recover and live longer? I feel helpless. Thor seems more spunky today than he has in awhile, but I don't want to get my hopes up. Kristina "Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Kristina - just wanted to mention also - watch out for vets who want to euthanize your kitties. There's a lot of variation in knowledge and attitude among vets. One may be supportive and work with your FELV cats, but another may just want to euthanize. Very scarey going to different vets, sometimtes. Gloria I have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can. First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine. Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there to sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. But they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment. The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlest one is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I've even caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's really hard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation peri
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I mix mine. Salome' is my oldest -- she's 9 and is the one who is "supposedly" FeLV+. All of her sisfurs passed away, and over the years I adopted FeLV+ kitties as I could to give them a chance. All have passed away except her. The other 3 I have now besides her are all negative and vaccinated. Siggie is 5, and the babygirls are going to be 2 in August. I say "supposedly" because Salome' has never been sick a day in her life. I've had her since she was 8 weeks old. She's never been outside. I never had her tested (I didn't know any better), and I was told when she was 3-1/2 that she had FeLV when her sisfur Samantha was diagnosed and passed away (PTS) within 2 days in October 1999. Arielle passed (PTS) in February of 2001. Then I got Siggie (negative). Then in September 2001 I adopted 2 companion FeLV+ kitties, Gareth and Alec. Gareth passed away in his sleep on Feb. 6, 2003 and Alec passed (PTS) late March 2003 -- he got a terrible cold (URI) and wasn't able to recover. Poor thing was dehydrated, and full of mouth ulcers. Nothing I did worked. Antibx injections DAILY. Vitamin injections DAILY. Nothing. I had to let him go. Then I got the babygirl sisfurcats (littermates) a year ago February when they were 6 months old. My sister rescued them along with their brofur and sisfur that she kept for herself! All 4 kittens negative and vaccinated. Last July 2004, they all got a cold. Something like that should have killed Salome' if she was FeLV+ IMHO, and she came out of it just fine. No signs of anemia or anything. She's as hearty as ever, although I do wish she weighed more. They're a very happy clowder! =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 10:39 PM Subject: Re: New To This Kristina, I'm sorry you had to find us this way but we welcome you with open arms. There alot of us that do mix the negatives and positives together. The negatives are vaccinated every year. Then there are some that don't mix. We all have our own opinions on this. If they have been together for some time now the damage is done. In the start of my first Felv kitty I was just like you separating the kitties. My Vets stated to me because everyone had been exposed there was really nothing to do except give the positive kitty his meds and supplements. Keep others vaccinated. I tried to keep them apart but it just wasn't feasible they were all unhappy. I also have the negatives tested every year as well. My first was in the mid seventies. They really had no idea what Felv was. But I can say he showed all the signs of Felv. He was only two yrs old as well when I lost him. I lost my last Felv kitty Jan 2002 which was my baby. But he didn't die of the Felv it was the secondary illness that took him from us. He was only 2 yrs old. His memorial is listed below if you would like to see him and read his story. There is alot of valuable information on this list that will help your furkids. Don't get discouraged we all have been there and will continue so as long as this damn disease is around. That day will come when we will all get together to meet for the first time and eat "Cheesecake" in which I don't like but will eat it for joy! Say finally there is a cure! Once again I'm sorry about your kitties! Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!More will be posted soon.http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aolcom/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/ <><>
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I know what you mean...FeLV absolutely sucks...but there is just something so special about these guys...they've got their own unique little light. I try to keep in mind that no animal can be with us for as long as we want them to, but it just seems so unfair that these perfect little creatures should suffer. Perhaps that's just my limited understanding being a not-so-perfect human being... :) But I hope to understand some day. That's very good that Thor (I love his name, by the way...how did he "earn" it? :) ) is still eating and drinking! Many FeLV cats will lose their appetites completely, really compounding the issue...it's actually a strange phenomenon, a cat will check out his food intently as if he really *wants* to eat it...but it's almost as if he's "forgotten!" Anyway, his illness could very well be the virus making a go at it (FeLV cats have a tendency to run unusually high temps...fluids administered sub-q will really help bring the temp down). One of our cats, Pips, came down with similar symptoms when he was around a few months old...his eyes and nose were so goopy that he couldn't smell his food...I had to feed him with a syringe for about a week. Then, I found out about the wonders of L-Lysine (500 mgs a day, usually divided into two doses)...his congestion cleared up almost overnight! But it sounds like Thor is on the upswing...it can take a little (or alot) longer for FeLV cats to get over an illness simply because their immune systems aren't up to par...that's why it's always important to stay on top of their health just so you can nip anything in the bud before it gets too serious. I don't think Thor and Luna could have found a better Mom! It takes a really special person to care for these guys...it's certainly not easy at times, but all of the joy that my boys and girls have brought me far outweigh the bad times...hang in there and keep us updated on Thor! Jen - Original Message - From: Kris Kulak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, March 7, 2005 3:02 pm Subject: Re: New To This > Thank you so much for your advice. It means so very much to me. I > feel like I've been crying for weeks. Anyway, Thor has been > lethargic, "sweaty", not eating or drinking much, and has some > breathing problems. The past two days, he's been better though. > He's been playful, eating and drinking and he's sitting with us, > not off in seclusion. I think the medicine is kisking in, but I > don't want to keep him on too long if I don't have to. There are > some side effects I don't like with the Retrovir. He still seems a > little warm, but he also seems more alert than he has for the past > couple weeks. His breathing seems more regular too. He has had > some chest congestion, I could hear it, but I haven't for the past > two days. I don't want to get my hopes up, my heart will then > break if something bad happens. I just want him happy for however > long he's still got. I don't know how long that will be. And I > know it is hard to say for sure. Little Luna seems to be super > normal. He's keeping Thor > company. They're actually sleeping together right now. Does this > help? > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Kris! > > I also just wanted to welcome you to the list (as bittersweet as > that welcome is)! This is a wonderful group of very knowledgeable > and experienced people...you'll get alot of great advice, so don't > be afraid to ask about anything and everything! :) > > I just wanted to add to the discussion about mixing positives and > negatives because my situation was very similar to yours when I > first found out that our kittens were positive for FeLV. By the > time we found out, our resident negative cat, Boots, had already > bonded with the babies...playing the role of "big brother,"-- > grooming them, playing with them and showing them how to use the > litter box properly! :) When we found out that the babies were > positive (they were about two months old at the time), we were > devastated and made the difficult decision to separate Boots. But > Boots was heart-broken...he just couldn't understand why he > couldn't see his buddies! On top of it all, we had just euthanized > the kitten's mother, Lucy, due to complications related to FeLV > (Lucy was an infamous "false-negative"...she initially tested > negative for the virus, but it must have either been hiding latent > in her system, or else she was just newly infected when we found > her...long story short > , the stress of her pregnancy probably activated the virus, we > didn't find out that she was positive until the day that
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rtantly, keeping the Feleuk guys as stress-free as possible!So, before I forget...what symptoms is Thor presenting with?Anyway, hope this helps!Jen- Original Message -From: Kris Kulak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Monday, March 7, 2005 10:49 amSubject: Re: New To This> That I don't know. I want to talk to my vet, but she's off until > Wednesday. > > "Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Hey Kristina - I'm > wondering what's the diagnosis for Thor - do you > know? is it anemia, lymphoma or what? Maybe I missed it -> > Gloria> > > My vet is dead set against it. I'm glad. I'm just having a > difficult > time deciding what to do. So many people have stated that they've > mixed their cats back up, but I haven't read one study that > recommends that. As-a-matter-of-a-fact, they're all against it. I > guess I need more input from people who've blended the family > again. > I've got three weeks before I really need to make a final > decision. I > keep going back and forth on this. I mean, what if the little guy > (Luna) is able to shake this thin and eventually test negative? Is > it > possible that Thor, the older kitten that is sick right now, will > recover and live longer? I feel helpless. Thor seems more spunky > today than he has in awhile, but I don't want to get my hopes up.> > Kristina> > "Gloria B. Lane" wrote:> > Hi Kristina - just wanted to mention also - watch out for vets who> want to euthanize your kitties. There's a lot of variation in> knowledge and attitude among vets. One may be supportive and work> with your FELV cats, but another may just want to euthanize. Very> scarey going to different vets, sometimtes.> > Gloria> > > I have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline> leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that> originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and> has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become> quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain> optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can.> > First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative.> I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even> though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts> totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is> sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning> and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to > cats. I> only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the> medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me> to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to> humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine.> > Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This> is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got> along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together,> cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older> ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there> to sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. But> they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment.> The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlest> one is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I've> even caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's really> hard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period is> over and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove to> be negative, then get their shots, could I put the family back> together again? Or is it better for me to find a new home for the ill> cats? I will die if I have to lose them. They are my babies. This> will be the third and fourth kittens I have lost in three years. But> I need to do what's best. I'd rather take care of the ill kittens> myself than have the cost burden and the stress go to someone > else. I> know I have a home for the three older cats providing they stay> negative. I just really want to try to keep the family together. So,> how effective are the shots?> > Third and final, the animal shelter that I received the kitten from> is trying to deny that it was their kitten. In a sense, they told me> that my vet tested incorrectly. Now I know that the shelter is trying> to do a good thing, but I feel they have a responsibility to tell the> other people who have adopted kittens or cats from the same group and> time period. They aren't listening to me.
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Hi Kris! I also just wanted to welcome you to the list (as bittersweet as that welcome is)! This is a wonderful group of very knowledgeable and experienced people...you'll get alot of great advice, so don't be afraid to ask about anything and everything! :) I just wanted to add to the discussion about mixing positives and negatives because my situation was very similar to yours when I first found out that our kittens were positive for FeLV. By the time we found out, our resident negative cat, Boots, had already bonded with the babies...playing the role of "big brother,"--grooming them, playing with them and showing them how to use the litter box properly! :) When we found out that the babies were positive (they were about two months old at the time), we were devastated and made the difficult decision to separate Boots. But Boots was heart-broken...he just couldn't understand why he couldn't see his buddies! On top of it all, we had just euthanized the kitten's mother, Lucy, due to complications related to FeLV (Lucy was an infamous "false-negative"...she initially tested negative for the virus, but it must have either been hiding latent in her system, or else she was just newly infected when we found her...long story short , the stress of her pregnancy probably activated the virus, we didn't find out that she was positive until the day that we had to put her to sleep)...anyway, the kittens immediately turned to Boots when they realized that their Mama wouldn't be coming home. Needless to say, separating the kittens from "Mr. Mom" was equally as painful. :( About this time, I discovered this wonderful group, and with their experience in hand along with the blessing of our vet, we went ahead and gave Boots his booster for FeLV and reunited the group. Feline Leukemia, I believe, is a much more unpredictable virus than once thought. Some on this list have never mixed their positives and negatives and yet one or two negative cats still manage to test positive...on the other hand, other members do mix and have never had a negative test positive. Bottom line is that to mix or not to mix is a *personal* decision based on your own *unique* circumstances. Many individuals on this list also do rescue work, so it's in all of the cats' best interests not to mix if they can help it. And then there are others, like myself, whose cats aren't going anywhere, so we must decide based on what we feel is best. I'm of the opinion that a life of seclusion for Boots was no life at all. All of our cats were strays who found us (and, hence, woul d probably not be alive today if we hadn't taken them in)...I've got to believe that someone or something higher up must be watching over these little angels. Boots has been with our Feleuk babies now for almost 3 years and remains negative. We've even added another negative girl who showed up at my gallery, emaciated and with a broken spinal cord...again, I have no regrets knowing what her alternative may have been. With that said, like others have pointed out, FeLV is a fragile virus that doesn't live long outside a live host. In fact, it's actually quite difficult for a healthy, adult cat to catch the virus with or without the vaccine (the vaccine is about 85-90% effective, I believe). It's kittens and the elderly that are most susceptable due to an immature/weakened immune system. The best thing you can do is keep everybody's immune systems healthy with a superb quality diet (all-natural, no additives or preservatives...many prefer Nature's Variety, Wellness, Eagle Pack, Innova, California Natural, or a raw food diet among others). Some inexpensive and worthwhile supplements would be Vitamin C and L-Lysine. And, most importantly, keeping the Feleuk guys as stress-free as possible! So, before I forget...what symptoms is Thor presenting with? Anyway, hope this helps! Jen ----- Original Message - From: Kris Kulak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, March 7, 2005 10:49 am Subject: Re: New To This > That I don't know. I want to talk to my vet, but she's off until > Wednesday. > > "Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hey Kristina - I'm > wondering what's the diagnosis for Thor - do you > know? is it anemia, lymphoma or what? Maybe I missed it - > > Gloria > > > My vet is dead set against it. I'm glad. I'm just having a > difficult > time deciding what to do. So many people have stated that they've > mixed their cats back up, but I haven't read one study that > recommends that. As-a-matter-of-a-fact, they're all against it. I > guess I need more input from people who've blended the family > again. > I've got three weeks before I really need
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Welcome, It is a terrible way to find us, but I will tell you this list has helped me wonderfully. I lost a kitty in January to this horrid disease and I now have a positive that coexist with my other 6 negative furr babies. I do not know about the medication you have your kitty on, my baby is on the Interferon and other vitamin supplements. About adopting through shelters, did you not have to fill out paperwork? I would definately contact local vets and see what course of action they could reccomend. Amber went to a chop shop before I got her to get fixed and they did some damage, I wrote them and copied all the local vets and the local newspapers, I felt it was pretty effective, my vet also contacted some local vets and got the word out that this so called "vet" was doing more harm than good. Again, welcome, sorry you have to go through this but, we are all here for one another. Cherie "Mrs. Kulak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can. First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine. Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there to sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. But they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment. The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlest one is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I've even caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's really hard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period is over and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove to be negative, then get their shots, could I put the family back together again? Or is it better for me to find a new home for the ill cats? I will die if I have to lose them. They are my babies. This will be the third and fourth kittens I have lost in three years. But I need to do what's best. I'd rather take care of the ill kittens myself than have the cost burden and the stress go to someone else. I know I have a home for the three older cats providing they stay negative. I just really want to try to keep the family together. So, how effective are the shots? Third and final, the animal shelter that I received the kitten from is trying to deny that it was their kitten. In a sense, they told me that my vet tested incorrectly. Now I know that the shelter is trying to do a good thing, but I feel they have a responsibility to tell the other people who have adopted kittens or cats from the same group and time period. They aren't listening to me. I've researched about the incubation period and that maybe they should have held onto all the cats and kittens for a few more weeks because it could sit dormant. They kept insisting that the kitten tested negative; and I told them I know that, but..." We got no where. Now what do I do? All my other cats have been tested twice a year for everything. (I take them to the vet for even the slightest sniffle - I'm a little protective). I need to know what do I do to get them to contact the other people. I'm concerned that there are more Feline Leukemia cats out there, more than that, I am sure of it and I think those people have a right to know. So, what do I do? I was thinking about taking out a full page ad in the Milwaukee Journal or contacting the Better Business Bureau. I need to do something. Sorry I took so much time, but I have many issues and/or concerns. I don't know what to do. I've been reading a lot on the internet, but I can't find the answer to these few things. I appreciate any help/advice you could give me. Thank you. Kristina
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Thanks, Michelle - I got them as kittens, and I do feel that they would have lived longer if they'd been started on interferon earlier. Wish I'd tried it - Gloria At 10:47 AM 3/7/2005, you wrote: Gloria, Don't feel bad about not having given interferon to those you lost to lymphoma. I gave interferon to Simon every day and he got lymphoma, whereas I don't give it to Patches and Ginger (because it stresses them too much) and so far (knock on wood a thousand times) they have not. So I do not think interferon prevents lymphoma. Michelle In a message dated 3/7/05 10:44:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I give my FELV babies interferon, wish I'd started it a few years ago with the babies I've lost to lymphoma. >>
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That I don't know. I want to talk to my vet, but she's off until Wednesday. "Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey Kristina - I'm wondering what's the diagnosis for Thor - do you know? is it anemia, lymphoma or what? Maybe I missed it -GloriaMy vet is dead set against it. I'm glad. I'm just having a difficult time deciding what to do. So many people have stated that they've mixed their cats back up, but I haven't read one study that recommends that. As-a-matter-of-a-fact, they're all against it. I guess I need more input from people who've blended the family again. I've got three weeks before I really need to make a final decision. I keep going back and forth on this. I mean, what if the little guy (Luna) is able to shake this thin and eventually test negative? Is it possible that Thor, the older kitten that is sick right now, will recover and live longer? I feel helpless. Thor seems more spunky today than he has in awhile, but I don't want to get my hopes up.Kristina"Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Hi Kristina - just wanted to mention also - watch out for vets whowant to euthanize your kitties. There's a lot of variation inknowledge and attitude among vets. One may be supportive and workwith your FELV cats, but another may just want to euthanize. Veryscarey going to different vets, sometimtes.GloriaI have just found out that my two kittens are positive for felineleukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin thatoriginally tested negative. But since then he has become positive andhas infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has becomequite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remainoptimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can.First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative.I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Eventhough the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he actstotally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, issick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morningand in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. Ionly received the side effects for humans when I picked up themedicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to meto find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects tohumans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine.Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. Thisis EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats gotalong, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together,cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The olderones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down thereto sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. Butthey do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment.The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlestone is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I'veeven caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's reallyhard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period isover and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove tobe negative, then get their shots, could I put the family backtogether again? Or is it better for me to find a new home for the illcats? I will die if I have to lose them. They are my babies. Thiswill be the third and fourth kittens I have lost in three years. ButI need to do what's best. I'd rather take care of the ill kittensmyself than have the cost burden and the stress go to someone else. Iknow I have a home for the three older cats providing they staynegative. I just really want to try to keep the family together. So,how effective are the shots?Third and final, the animal shelter that I received the kitten fromis trying to deny that it was their kitten. In a sense, they told methat my vet tested incorrectly. Now I know that the shelter is tryingto do a good thing, but I feel they have a responsibility to tell theother people who have adopted kittens or cats from the same group andtime period. They aren't listening to me. I've researched about theincubation period and that maybe they should have held onto all thecats and kittens for a few more weeks because it could sit dormant.They kept insisting that the kitten tested negative; and I told themI know that, but..." We got no where. Now what do I do? All my othercats have been tested twice a year for everything. (I take them tothe vet for even the slightest sniffle - I'm a little protective). Ineed to know what do I do to get them to contact the other people.I'm concerned that there are more Feline Leukemia cats out there,more than that, I am sure of it and I think those people have a rightto know. So, what do I do? I was thinking about taking out a fullpage ad in the Milwaukee Journal or contacting the Better BusinessBureau. I need to do something.Sorry I took so much time, but I have many issues and/or conc
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Gloria, Don't feel bad about not having given interferon to those you lost to lymphoma. I gave interferon to Simon every day and he got lymphoma, whereas I don't give it to Patches and Ginger (because it stresses them too much) and so far (knock on wood a thousand times) they have not. So I do not think interferon prevents lymphoma. Michelle In a message dated 3/7/05 10:44:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I give my FELV babies interferon, wish I'd started it a few years ago with the babies I've lost to lymphoma. >>
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I would look into getting feline interferon, i.e. Virbagen Omega, for Thor. Michelle In a message dated 3/7/05 11:08:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << My vet is dead set against it. I'm glad. I'm just having a difficult time deciding what to do. So many people have stated that they've mixed their cats back up, but I haven't read one study that recommends that. As-a-matter-of-a-fact, they're all against it. I guess I need more input from people who've blended the family again. I've got three weeks before I really need to make a final decision. I keep going back and forth on this. I mean, what if the little guy (Luna) is able to shake this thin and eventually test negative? Is it possible that Thor, the older kitten that is sick right now, will recover and live longer? I feel helpless. Thor seems more spunky today than he has in awhile, but I don't want to get my hopes up. Kristina >>
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The thing is, you have to take in the available information and weigh it against your own situation. What will work best for you and your kitties in the space you live in. I think I would be comfortable vaccinating the negative kitties and then re-mixing - they all love each other and the stress of being separated is bad for their health. I haven't been faced with that situation so far. I had to help my positive kitty to the Bridge several years ago (I still miss her, but it doesn't hurt as much anymore) and I've stayed on this list because of the love and compassion and understanding to be found here. Ultimately, it's YOUR decision, but you have to remember that YOU know your kitties the best and know what kind of stress separating is causing.Kris Kulak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My vet is dead set against it. I'm glad. I'm just having a difficult time deciding what to do. So many people have stated that they've mixed their cats back up, but I haven't read one study that recommends that. As-a-matter-of-a-fact, they're all against it. I guess I need more input from people who've blended the family again. I've got three weeks before I really need to make a final decision. I keep going back and forth on this. I mean, what if the little guy (Luna) is able to shake this thin and eventually test negative? Is it possible that Thor, the older kitten that is sick right now, will recover and live longer? I feel helpless. Thor seems more spunky today than he has in awhile, but I don't want to get my hopes up. Kristina"Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Kristina - just wanted to mention also - watch out for vets who want to euthanize your kitties. There's a lot of variation in knowledge and attitude among vets. One may be supportive and work with your FELV cats, but another may just want to euthanize. Very scarey going to different vets, sometimtes.GloriaI have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can.First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine.Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there to sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. But they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment. The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlest one is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I've even caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's really hard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period is over and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove to be negative, then get their shots, could I put the family back together again? Or is it better for me to find a new home for the ill cats? I will die if I have to lose them. They are my babies. This will be the third and fourth kittens I have lost in three years. But I need to do what's best. I'd rather take care of the ill kittens myself than have the cost burden and the stress go to someone else. I know I have a home for the three older cats providing they stay negative. I just really want to try to keep the family together. So, how effective are the shots?Third and final, the animal shelter that I received the kitten from is trying to deny that it was their kitten. In a sense, they told me that my vet tested incorrectly. Now I know that the shelter is trying to do a good thing, but I feel they have a responsibility to tell the other people who have adopted kittens or cats from the same group and time period. They aren't listening to me. I've researched about the incubation period and that maybe they should have held onto all the cats and kittens for a few more weeks because it could sit dormant. They kept insisting that the kitten tested negative; and I told them I know that, but..." We got
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Hey Kristina - I'm wondering what's the diagnosis for Thor - do you know? is it anemia, lymphoma or what? Maybe I missed it - Gloria My vet is dead set against it. I'm glad. I'm just having a difficult time deciding what to do. So many people have stated that they've mixed their cats back up, but I haven't read one study that recommends that. As-a-matter-of-a-fact, they're all against it. I guess I need more input from people who've blended the family again. I've got three weeks before I really need to make a final decision. I keep going back and forth on this. I mean, what if the little guy (Luna) is able to shake this thin and eventually test negative? Is it possible that Thor, the older kitten that is sick right now, will recover and live longer? I feel helpless. Thor seems more spunky today than he has in awhile, but I don't want to get my hopes up. Kristina "Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Kristina - just wanted to mention also - watch out for vets who want to euthanize your kitties. There's a lot of variation in knowledge and attitude among vets. One may be supportive and work with your FELV cats, but another may just want to euthanize. Very scarey going to different vets, sometimtes. Gloria I have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can. First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine. Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there to sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. But they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment. The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlest one is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I've even caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's really hard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period is over and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove to be negative, then get their shots, could I put the family back together again? Or is it better for me to find a new home for the ill cats? I will die if I have to lose them. They are my babies. This will be the third and fourth kittens I have lost in three years. But I need to do what's best. I'd rather take care of the ill kittens myself than have the cost burden and the stress go to someone else. I know I have a home for the three older cats providing they stay negative. I just really want to try to keep the family together. So, how effective are the shots? Third and final, the animal shelter that I received the kitten from is trying to deny that it was their kitten. In a sense, they told me that my vet tested incorrectly. Now I know that the shelter is trying to do a good thing, but I feel they have a responsibility to tell the other people who have adopted kittens or cats from the same group and time period. They aren't listening to me. I've researched about the incubation period and that maybe they should have held onto all the cats and kittens for a few more weeks because it could sit dormant. They kept insisting that the kitten tested negative; and I told them I know that, but..." We got no where. Now what do I do? All my other cats have been tested twice a year for everything. (I take them to the vet for even the slightest sniffle - I'm a little protective). I need to know what do I do to get them to contact the other people. I'm concerned that there are more Feline Leukemia cats out there, more than that, I am sure of it and I think those people have a right to know. So, what do I do? I was thinking about taking out a full page ad in the Milwaukee Journal or contacting the Better Business Bureau. I need to do something. Sorry I took so much time, but I have many issues and/or concerns. I don't know what to do. I've been rea
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My vet is dead set against it. I'm glad. I'm just having a difficult time deciding what to do. So many people have stated that they've mixed their cats back up, but I haven't read one study that recommends that. As-a-matter-of-a-fact, they're all against it. I guess I need more input from people who've blended the family again. I've got three weeks before I really need to make a final decision. I keep going back and forth on this. I mean, what if the little guy (Luna) is able to shake this thin and eventually test negative? Is it possible that Thor, the older kitten that is sick right now, will recover and live longer? I feel helpless. Thor seems more spunky today than he has in awhile, but I don't want to get my hopes up. Kristina"Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Kristina - just wanted to mention also - watch out for vets who want to euthanize your kitties. There's a lot of variation in knowledge and attitude among vets. One may be supportive and work with your FELV cats, but another may just want to euthanize. Very scarey going to different vets, sometimtes.GloriaI have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can.First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine.Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there to sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. But they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment. The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlest one is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I've even caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's really hard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period is over and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove to be negative, then get their shots, could I put the family back together again? Or is it better for me to find a new home for the ill cats? I will die if I have to lose them. They are my babies. This will be the third and fourth kittens I have lost in three years. But I need to do what's best. I'd rather take care of the ill kittens myself than have the cost burden and the stress go to someone else. I know I have a home for the three older cats providing they stay negative. I just really want to try to keep the family together. So, how effective are the shots?Third and final, the animal shelter that I received the kitten from is trying to deny that it was their kitten. In a sense, they told me that my vet tested incorrectly. Now I know that the shelter is trying to do a good thing, but I feel they have a responsibility to tell the other people who have adopted kittens or cats from the same group and time period. They aren't listening to me. I've researched about the incubation period and that maybe they should have held onto all the cats and kittens for a few more weeks because it could sit dormant. They kept insisting that the kitten tested negative; and I told them I know that, but..." We got no where. Now what do I do? All my other cats have been tested twice a year for everything. (I take them to the vet for even the slightest sniffle - I'm a little protective). I need to know what do I do to get them to contact the other people. I'm concerned that there are more Feline Leukemia cats out there, more than that, I am sure of it and I think those people have a right to know. So, what do I do? I was thinking about taking out a full page ad in the Milwaukee Journal or contacting the Better Business Bureau. I need to do something.Sorry I took so much time, but I have many issues and/or concerns. I don't know what to do. I've been reading a lot on the internet, but I can't find the answer to these few things. I appreciate any help/advice you could give me. Thank you.Kristina
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Hi Kristina - just wanted to mention also - watch out for vets who want to euthanize your kitties. There's a lot of variation in knowledge and attitude among vets. One may be supportive and work with your FELV cats, but another may just want to euthanize. Very scarey going to different vets, sometimtes. Gloria I have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can. First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine. Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there to sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. But they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment. The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlest one is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I've even caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's really hard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period is over and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove to be negative, then get their shots, could I put the family back together again? Or is it better for me to find a new home for the ill cats? I will die if I have to lose them. They are my babies. This will be the third and fourth kittens I have lost in three years. But I need to do what's best. I'd rather take care of the ill kittens myself than have the cost burden and the stress go to someone else. I know I have a home for the three older cats providing they stay negative. I just really want to try to keep the family together. So, how effective are the shots? Third and final, the animal shelter that I received the kitten from is trying to deny that it was their kitten. In a sense, they told me that my vet tested incorrectly. Now I know that the shelter is trying to do a good thing, but I feel they have a responsibility to tell the other people who have adopted kittens or cats from the same group and time period. They aren't listening to me. I've researched about the incubation period and that maybe they should have held onto all the cats and kittens for a few more weeks because it could sit dormant. They kept insisting that the kitten tested negative; and I told them I know that, but..." We got no where. Now what do I do? All my other cats have been tested twice a year for everything. (I take them to the vet for even the slightest sniffle - I'm a little protective). I need to know what do I do to get them to contact the other people. I'm concerned that there are more Feline Leukemia cats out there, more than that, I am sure of it and I think those people have a right to know. So, what do I do? I was thinking about taking out a full page ad in the Milwaukee Journal or contacting the Better Business Bureau. I need to do something. Sorry I took so much time, but I have many issues and/or concerns. I don't know what to do. I've been reading a lot on the internet, but I can't find the answer to these few things. I appreciate any help/advice you could give me. Thank you. Kristina
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Just wanted to mention that a "cat bite" is a much more effective way for the virus to spread than just air, food and water. That injects it into the other cat. The FELV virus is very fragile, as I understand it, and will only live a short time in air - seconds, as I understand, unlike other viruses like the ones that cause upper respiratory infections which can live months. I give my FELV babies interferon, wish I'd started it a few years ago with the babies I've lost to lymphoma. Best wishes, and hang in there. Gloria Kristina, I feel your pain. I'm in a very similar situation. My female Brissle is 8 years old and suddenly got very sick and tested positive with FeLV. She has had 2 negative tests during her life. Her twin brother still tests negative. I never missed her vaccines. She was bitten by a cat twice in her life - once a couple months ago. So either the vaccine didn't work or the two negatives were false. But false negatives are common, as I have now learned. The virus apparently can hide in the bone marrow. I really think vets need to do a better job of informing their patients that a negative test is merely inconclusive. I've never been informed of this - by any vet. Then again, if they did that, it may discourage people from adopting cats. It's a tough issue. For what it's worth, I haven't separated my two. But I'm brand new at this myself. Many might disagree with me. But I know they would be unhappy if split up and keeping the sick cat happy is important. Is your cat anemic too? That's important to know. Also important, did the vet test for the Hemobartonella bacteria? In some cases, it is responsible for the symptoms. But that may just be for anemia? Someone more knowledgeable may correct me on this. But if you look around, you will see that most people on this list are or have used the antibiotic Doxycycline. I haven't heard of Retrovir. Right now, we are using Immunoregulin combined with human Interferon to help boost the immune system. There is only very limited anecdotal information on their effectiveness. I think what people have found though is that every case differs. What works for one, doesn't work for another. The most effective treatment to date is feline Interferon (Virbagen Omega, VO). Of course like anything else good, it's not available in the US. Some on the list have attained special emergency approval from the FDA. Your vet would need to apply. You many want to search the archives on this. Here's a good source for the Immunoregulin: <http://www.revivalanimal.com/product.asp?pn=31-020>http://www.revivalanimal.com/product.asp?pn=31-020. EqStim is the same exact thing (same concentration), just marketed for horses, much cheaper though. And for human Interferon: <http://www.islandpharmacy.com/>http://www.islandpharmacy.com/. Again, it's important to know if your cat is anemic. Many here highly recommended using steroid treatment for this. My vet vetoed it, based on side effects. But you'll really want to look at this. I've been told my cat will surely die if I don't use the steroids. So I may end up vetoing my vet on this. I hope this helps. Sorry for your rotten luck. -Kyle - Original Message - From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Mrs. Kulak To: <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: New To This I have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can. First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine. Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go d
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They've done the in lab test on 4 of my cats. The one that was the sickest was sent to a lab. Thor, the sick kitty, is getting better it seems, I don't want to jinx anything. I do plan on having all my cats retested in about a month. Luna, the littlest guy who we suspect is the carrier, seems totally fine and normal. My older cats, Sylvester, Maxine, and Sable are doing fine and are negative at this point. They are now known as our basement kitties. I'm keeping them isolated from each other at least a month until I have them all retested. I am highly considering mixing them all back up. I know it's bothering them all because they sit at the door and stare at it, scratch at it, try to reach under it, meow/howl at it, etc. One thing I've learned so far is to provide the cats with the least amount of stress for their health. Well, they were all used to each other and got along wonderfully. I never thought it was possible. All my cats are friendly, cuddly, and "talkative." They are actually very social. Sylvester is in charge. I know Thor misses cuddling up to his protege. (Sylvester "escaped" the basement and immediately Thor tried to cuddle to him while Sylvester tried to clean him). This is EXTREMELY hard to do right now. Time seems to have frozen. I do appreciate all your concern. Your right, everyone here is VERY supportive. This group is actually giving me hope. Thank you.Julie Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Kristina, You've certainly come to the right place; you'll never find a more supportive, knowledgable group, as others have said, I'm sorry you had to find us. Do you know what tests were done on your two positives? Did they do the test in the office (typically an ELISA) or did they send it out to a lab (the more sensitive IFA)? Many, many people (including rescue volunteers and vets) are really ignorant about FeLV. It's a complex disease and not as easily tested for as once thought. I lost an adult cat who had tested negative throughout her life to FeLV. She was diagnosed at about age 4.5 and the only explanation was that she had the virus sequestered in her bone marrow and something triggered it to become active. My vet currently recommends retesting for FeLV anytime a cat comes in ill. I can't give you any advice about mixing; I have always chosen to separate, however, Encore was with all my other cats and all consistently come up negative (knocking wood and NOT tempting fate!!!). Check out our archives about feline interferon (use VO as a search argument); it's shown wonderful results but is not approved for use in this country yet so your vet must apply to the FDA to import it. I wish you all the best and hope the kitties (and you!) are soon feeling better. Julie "Mrs. Kulak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can. First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine. Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there to sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. But they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment. The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlest one is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I've even caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's really hard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period is over and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove to be negative, then get their shots, could I put the family back together again? Or is it better for me to find a new home for the ill cats? I will die if I have to lose them. They are my babies. This will be the third and fourth kittens I have lost in three years. But I need to do what's best. I'd rather
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Right now, I've split the cats up. But I think it will be only a temporary thing; at least until I have the other cats vaccinated and retested. I attempted to call my vet today to see her, but she is off until Wednesday. She thinks I should keep them separated permanently. I don't think she's got the input that I've gotten from people in the same situation as myself. Plus, I've been doing a lot of internet research and am stockpiling information on the topic. I can't break up my family, so I'm doing what I can. I haven't had my vet check for the Hemobartonella bacteria, at least not that I'm aware of. My cat Thor is slightly anemic at this point, but he is eating and drinking again. He also seems more alert than he has in the past. I don't know if it's the meds or not. I don't like the possible side effects of the Retrovir, but I think it's helping. I'm not giving it to the other kitten (Luna) who seems perfectly fine and crazy. I think I will stop with the Retrovir as soon as I think my older kitten (Thor) is back to "normal". I hope to meet or talk to my vet about my plan of action this week. I want her to know what I plan on doing even if she doesn't agree with me. I want her support. She is a great vet, maybe she doesn't know all that I've found out about the positives and negatives living together in harmony. I had my Thor on steroids, but I took him off. I don't want any conflicts of meds. Thanks for your support. It means a great deal. Kristina Melbeach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kristina, I feel your pain. I'm in a very similar situation. My female Brissle is 8 years old and suddenly got very sick and tested positive with FeLV. She has had 2 negative tests during her life. Her twin brother still tests negative. I never missed her vaccines. She was bitten by a cat twice in her life - once a couple months ago. So either the vaccine didn't work or the two negatives were false. But false negatives are common, as I have now learned. The virus apparently can hide in the bone marrow. I really think vets need to do a better job of informing their patients that a negative test is merely inconclusive. I've never been informed of this - by any vet. Then again, if they did that, it may discourage people from adopting cats. It's a tough issue. For what it's worth, I haven't separated my two. But I'm brand new at this myself. Many might disagree with me. But I know they would be unhappy if split up and keeping the sick cat happy is important. Is your cat anemic too? That's important to know. Also important, did the vet test for the Hemobartonella bacteria? In some cases, it is responsible for the symptoms. But that may just be for anemia? Someone more knowledgeable may correct me on this. But if you look around, you will see that most people on this list are or have used the antibiotic Doxycycline. I haven't heard of Retrovir. Right now, we are using Immunoregulin combined with human Interferon to help boost the immune system. There is only very limited anecdotal information on their effectiveness. I think what people have found though is that every case differs. What works for one, doesn't work for another. The most effective treatment to date is feline Interferon (Virbagen Omega, VO). Of course like anything else good, it's not available in the US. Some on the list have attained special emergency approval from the FDA. Your vet would need to apply. You many want to search the archives on this. Here's a good source for the Immunoregulin: http://www.revivalanimal.com/product.asp?pn=31-020. EqStim is the same exact thing (same concentration), just marketed for horses, much cheaper though. And for human Interferon: http://www.islandpharmacy.com/. Again, it's important to know if your cat is anemic. Many here highly recommended using steroid treatment for this. My vet vetoed it, based on side effects. But you'll really want to look at this. I've been told my cat will surely die if I don't use the steroids. So I may end up vetoing my vet on this. I hope this helps. Sorry for your rotten luck. -Kyle - Original Message - From: Mrs. Kulak To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: New To This I have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can. First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even though the little kitten I adopte
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Hi Kristina, You've certainly come to the right place; you'll never find a more supportive, knowledgable group, as others have said, I'm sorry you had to find us. Do you know what tests were done on your two positives? Did they do the test in the office (typically an ELISA) or did they send it out to a lab (the more sensitive IFA)? Many, many people (including rescue volunteers and vets) are really ignorant about FeLV. It's a complex disease and not as easily tested for as once thought. I lost an adult cat who had tested negative throughout her life to FeLV. She was diagnosed at about age 4.5 and the only explanation was that she had the virus sequestered in her bone marrow and something triggered it to become active. My vet currently recommends retesting for FeLV anytime a cat comes in ill. I can't give you any advice about mixing; I have always chosen to separate, however, Encore was with all my other cats and all consistently come up negative (knocking wood and NOT tempting fate!!!). Check out our archives about feline interferon (use VO as a search argument); it's shown wonderful results but is not approved for use in this country yet so your vet must apply to the FDA to import it. I wish you all the best and hope the kitties (and you!) are soon feeling better. Julie "Mrs. Kulak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can. First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine. Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there to sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. But they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment. The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlest one is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I've even caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's really hard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period is over and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove to be negative, then get their shots, could I put the family back together again? Or is it better for me to find a new home for the ill cats? I will die if I have to lose them. They are my babies. This will be the third and fourth kittens I have lost in three years. But I need to do what's best. I'd rather take care of the ill kittens myself than have the cost burden and the stress go to someone else. I know I have a home for the three older cats providing they stay negative. I just really want to try to keep the family together. So, how effective are the shots? Third and final, the animal shelter that I received the kitten from is trying to deny that it was their kitten. In a sense, they told me that my vet tested incorrectly. Now I know that the shelter is trying to do a good thing, but I feel they have a responsibility to tell the other people who have adopted kittens or cats from the same group and time period. They aren't listening to me. I've researched about the incubation period and that maybe they should have held onto all the cats and kittens for a few more weeks because it could sit dormant. They kept insisting that the kitten tested negative; and I told them I know that, but..." We got no where. Now what do I do? All my other cats have been tested twice a year for everything. (I take them to the vet for even the slightest sniffle - I'm a little protective). I need to know what do I do to get them to contact the other people. I'm concerned that there are more Feline Leukemia cats out there, more than that, I am sure of it and I think those people have a right to know. So, what do I do? I was thinking about taking out a full page ad in the Milwaukee Journal or contacting the Better Business Bureau. I need to do
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Kristina, I feel your pain. I'm in a very similar situation. My female Brissle is 8 years old and suddenly got very sick and tested positive with FeLV. She has had 2 negative tests during her life. Her twin brother still tests negative. I never missed her vaccines. She was bitten by a cat twice in her life - once a couple months ago. So either the vaccine didn't work or the two negatives were false. But false negatives are common, as I have now learned. The virus apparently can hide in the bone marrow. I really think vets need to do a better job of informing their patients that a negative test is merely inconclusive. I've never been informed of this - by any vet. Then again, if they did that, it may discourage people from adopting cats. It's a tough issue. For what it's worth, I haven't separated my two. But I'm brand new at this myself. Many might disagree with me. But I know they would be unhappy if split up and keeping the sick cat happy is important. Is your cat anemic too? That's important to know. Also important, did the vet test for the Hemobartonella bacteria? In some cases, it is responsible for the symptoms. But that may just be for anemia? Someone more knowledgeable may correct me on this. But if you look around, you will see that most people on this list are or have used the antibiotic Doxycycline. I haven't heard of Retrovir. Right now, we are using Immunoregulin combined with human Interferon to help boost the immune system. There is only very limited anecdotal information on their effectiveness. I think what people have found though is that every case differs. What works for one, doesn't work for another. The most effective treatment to date is feline Interferon (Virbagen Omega, VO). Of course like anything else good, it's not available in the US. Some on the list have attained special emergency approval from the FDA. Your vet would need to apply. You many want to search the archives on this. Here's a good source for the Immunoregulin: http://www.revivalanimal.com/product.asp?pn=31-020. EqStim is the same exact thing (same concentration), just marketed for horses, much cheaper though. And for human Interferon: http://www.islandpharmacy.com/. Again, it's important to know if your cat is anemic. Many here highly recommended using steroid treatment for this. My vet vetoed it, based on side effects. But you'll really want to look at this. I've been told my cat will surely die if I don't use the steroids. So I may end up vetoing my vet on this. I hope this helps. Sorry for your rotten luck. -Kyle - Original Message - From: Mrs. Kulak To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: New To This I have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can. First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine. Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there to sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. But they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment. The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlest one is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I've even caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's really hard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period is over and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove to be negative, then get their shots, could I put the family back together again? Or is it better for me to fin
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Kristina, I'm sorry you had to find us this way but we welcome you with open arms. There alot of us that do mix the negatives and positives together. The negatives are vaccinated every year. Then there are some that don't mix. We all have our own opinions on this. If they have been together for some time now the damage is done. In the start of my first Felv kitty I was just like you separating the kitties. My Vets stated to me because everyone had been exposed there was really nothing to do except give the positive kitty his meds and supplements. Keep others vaccinated. I tried to keep them apart but it just wasn't feasible they were all unhappy. I also have the negatives tested every year as well. My first was in the mid seventies. They really had no idea what Felv was. But I can say he showed all the signs of Felv. He was only two yrs old as well when I lost him. I lost my last Felv kitty Jan 2002 which was my baby. But he didn't die of the Felv it was the secondary illness that took him from us. He was only 2 yrs old. His memorial is listed below if you would like to see him and read his story. There is alot of valuable information on this list that will help your furkids. Don't get discouraged we all have been there and will continue so as long as this damn disease is around. That day will come when we will all get together to meet for the first time and eat "Cheesecake" in which I don't like but will eat it for joy! Say finally there is a cure! Once again I'm sorry about your kitties! Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!More will be posted soon.http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/ <><>
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There are many people more knowledgeable on this list than me but I can tell you my experience… First, it is possible for a kitten to test neg & then show pos much later even with no exposure to infected cat. I know because this happened to me. My Tucson tested neg as a young kitten & pos six years later after being an indoor only cat. Apparently, the virus can sort of hide for a while & test won’t pick it up. Since both your pos are under a year it might be tough to tell who had it first…. Second, as far as testing I would make sure that pos cat had the Elissa, which is the one the vet does right in the office & the IFA which is blood sent to lab. IFA is the more conclusive & I would not rely on Elissa only. As for mixing, well, I guess everyone has their own experiences. I have other cats who were around my pos for years before I found out she was pos. I knew I would not euthanize her, I knew I could not give her away so I had the other cats vaccinated & have them all mixed. It is impossible to prevent them from eating each other’s food, grooming each other, etc. Also, adult cats are much less likely to come down with it. I figured that all of them had been exposed to her for years & had not come down with it & with the vaccine would giving them some extra protection, the most humane thing for everybody was to just leave them as they had been all this time. So far everything is OK. I also took in a stray I had been feeding & though he was supposed to be adopted, he was pos & the people didn’t want him. My only problem is that my female pos absolutely hates him… When Tucson tested pos, I changed vet because my old vet, good as he was, was some distance from me & told me he had had very limited experience with FELV. I found a vet much closer to me who happens to be the vet for someone locally who does FELV rescue & so far so good. I was floored when my Tucson & Big Boy (the former stray) showed pos as neither had ever been sick…. It took me a while to catch my breath but bottom line is that all 5 of mine are strays or dumped cats & they are all enjoying the good life right now. Had they not found me, I know that all of them would have died by now…. To separate them or to give away some of them would have really affected them badly (not to mention me!) I don’t know anything about retrovir. Many people on this list use interferon. I do not at this point. My Tucson had a couple of episodes of low white blood count & my vet game her a series of immuno-regulin shots. It seemed to do the trick for a while. However, I think it’s a little tougher with very young cats & other people here will give you plenty of suggestions about that. You said the year old cat is sick at this point. What sort of symptoms is he showing? As far as the shelter, well most vets use the Elissa & that can show neg in a very young kitten when virus has not ‘blossomed’ yet… Its hard for them to hold on to kittens for too long as then nobody wants to adopt them! In fact, one set of recommendations I found suggested retesting all kittens at a year old-well, by then, it’s a little too late…. I know you will find the people on this list very helpful-we’ve all been there! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mrs. Kulak Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 12:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: New To This I have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can. First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine. Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older ones in the basement are wondering wha
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Thanks again for your response. It is s much needed. They are my babies! catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Kristina, I'm sorry you had to find us. The list is slow on weekends, but you'll get lots of good info. As per your questions, I've never heard of retrovir, so I'm no help there. It sounds like your cat that tested negative and then positive had just not had time to test positive yet after exposure. You are right, that the shelter should be more responsible, but I doubt they could even go back and trace the cats/kittens that were together for that period of time. Typically if anyone in a group held together tests positive they euthanize everyone who had contact with the positive, so in my opinion, I would let it go. Hopefully any other cats that turn up positive will go to good homes such as yours. Others on the list know more about the time involved from exposure until a test result will show positive. Also, though, your cats testing positive could just be positive because they've been exposed and still 'throw off' the virus and end up negative. Many people on the list mix cats following the vaccination protocol someone (I think Chere) discussed. I've had 2 positives mixed with my negatives for around 7 years. I lost one of my positives, but none of my negatives have caught the virus. The positives were positive when I brought them in. In general, people on the list have found the shots to be effective. If all of these cats have already been mixed, then my opinion is that whatever damage there might be is already done. I would still booster my negatives though before mixing. I hope this helps some. As I said, others will contact you as well. tonya"Mrs. Kulak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine. Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there to sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. But they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment. The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlest one is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I've even caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's really hard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period is over and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove to be negative, then get their shots, could I put the family back together again? Or is it better for me to find a new home for the ill cats? I will die if I have to lose them. They are my babies. This will be the third and fourth kittens I have lost in three years. But I need to do what's best. I'd rather take care of the ill kittens myself than have the cost burden and the stress go to someone else. I know I have a home for the three older cats providing they stay negative. I just really want to try to keep the family together. So, how effective are the shots? Third and final, the animal shelter that I received the kitten from is trying to deny that it was their kitten. In a sense, they told me that my vet tested incorrectly. Now I know that the shelter is trying to do a good thing, but I feel they have a responsibility to tell the other people who have adopted kittens or cats from the same group and time period. They aren't listening to me. I've researched about the incubation period and that maybe they should have held onto all the cats and kittens for a few more weeks because it could sit dormant. They kept insisting that the kitten tested negative; and I told them I know that, but..." We got no where. Now what do I do? All my other cats have been tested twice a year for everything. (I take them to the vet for even the slightest sniffle - I'm a little protective). I need to know what do I do to get them to contact the other people. I'm concerned that there are more Feline Leukemia cats out there, more than that, I am sure of it and I think those people have a right to know. So, what do I do? I was thinking about taking out a full page ad in the Milwaukee Journal or contacting the Better Business Bureau. I ne
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Thanks s much for checking. I just can't believe hopw many people seem to care sooo much. It is making me feel so touched. I've heard from s many people since I wrote that this afternoon. I will do just that. Thank you again.Barbara Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i just did a google on retrovir and found some info. rather than rephrase it, i suggest you do that also. just go to www.google.com and as I did, type in retrovir side effects cats. most of the info deals with treating fiv cats however the side effects would be the same(liver problems). sorry, i've had a really really long day of driving so can't even see straight to stay online tonight. barbara - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 7:45 PM Subject: Re: New To This Hi Kristina, I'm sorry you had to find us. The list is slow on weekends, but you'll get lots of good info. As per your questions, I've never heard of retrovir, so I'm no help there. It sounds like your cat that tested negative and then positive had just not had time to test positive yet after exposure. You are right, that the shelter should be more responsible, but I doubt they could even go back and trace the cats/kittens that were together for that period of time. Typically if anyone in a group held together tests positive they euthanize everyone who had contact with the positive, so in my opinion, I would let it go. Hopefully any other cats that turn up positive will go to good homes such as yours. Others on the list know more about the time involved from exposure until a test result will show positive. Also, though, your cats testing positive could just be positive because they've been exposed and still 'throw off' the virus and end up negative. Many people on the list mix cats following the vaccination protocol someone (I think Chere) discussed. I've had 2 positives mixed with my negatives for around 7 years. I lost one of my positives, but none of my negatives have caught the virus. The positives were positive when I brought them in. In general, people on the list have found the shots to be effective. If all of these cats have already been mixed, then my opinion is that whatever damage there might be is already done. I would still booster my negatives though before mixing. I hope this helps some. As I said, others will contact you as well. tonya"Mrs. Kulak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine. Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there to sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. But they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment. The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlest one is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I've even caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's really hard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period is over and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove to be negative, then get their shots, could I put the family back together again? Or is it better for me to find a new home for the ill cats? I will die if I have to lose them. They are my babies. This will be the third and fourth kittens I have lost in three years. But I need to do what's best. I'd rather take care of the ill kittens myself than have the cost burden and the stress go to someone else. I know I have a home for the three older cats providing they stay negative. I just really want to try to keep the family together. So, how effective are the shots? Third and final, the animal shelter that I received the kitten from is trying to deny that it was their kitten. In a sense, they told me that my vet tested incorrectly. Now I know that the shelter is trying to do a good thing, but I feel they have a responsibility to tell the other people who have adopted kittens or
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i just did a google on retrovir and found some info. rather than rephrase it, i suggest you do that also. just go to www.google.com and as I did, type in retrovir side effects cats. most of the info deals with treating fiv cats however the side effects would be the same(liver problems). sorry, i've had a really really long day of driving so can't even see straight to stay online tonight. barbara - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 7:45 PM Subject: Re: New To This Hi Kristina, I'm sorry you had to find us. The list is slow on weekends, but you'll get lots of good info. As per your questions, I've never heard of retrovir, so I'm no help there. It sounds like your cat that tested negative and then positive had just not had time to test positive yet after exposure. You are right, that the shelter should be more responsible, but I doubt they could even go back and trace the cats/kittens that were together for that period of time. Typically if anyone in a group held together tests positive they euthanize everyone who had contact with the positive, so in my opinion, I would let it go. Hopefully any other cats that turn up positive will go to good homes such as yours. Others on the list know more about the time involved from exposure until a test result will show positive. Also, though, your cats testing positive could just be positive because they've been exposed and still 'throw off' the virus and end up negative. Many people on the list mix cats following the vaccination protocol someone (I think Chere) discussed. I've had 2 positives mixed with my negatives for around 7 years. I lost one of my positives, but none of my negatives have caught the virus. The positives were positive when I brought them in. In general, people on the list have found the shots to be effective. If all of these cats have already been mixed, then my opinion is that whatever damage there might be is already done. I would still booster my negatives though before mixing. I hope this helps some. As I said, others will contact you as well. tonya"Mrs. Kulak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine. Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there to sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. But they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment. The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlest one is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I've even caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's really hard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period is over and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove to be negative, then get their shots, could I put the family back together again? Or is it better for me to find a new home for the ill cats? I will die if I have to lose them. They are my babies. This will be the third and fourth kittens I have lost in three years. But I need to do what's best. I'd rather take care of the ill kittens myself than have the cost burden and the stress go to someone else. I know I have a home for the three older cats providing they stay negative. I just really want to try to keep the family together. So, how effective are the shots? Third and final, the animal shelter that I received the kitten from is trying to deny that it was their kitten. In a sense, they told me that my vet tested incorrectly. Now I know that the shelter is trying to do a good thing, but I feel they have a responsibility to tell the other people who have adopt
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Hi Kristina, I'm sorry you had to find us. The list is slow on weekends, but you'll get lots of good info. As per your questions, I've never heard of retrovir, so I'm no help there. It sounds like your cat that tested negative and then positive had just not had time to test positive yet after exposure. You are right, that the shelter should be more responsible, but I doubt they could even go back and trace the cats/kittens that were together for that period of time. Typically if anyone in a group held together tests positive they euthanize everyone who had contact with the positive, so in my opinion, I would let it go. Hopefully any other cats that turn up positive will go to good homes such as yours. Others on the list know more about the time involved from exposure until a test result will show positive. Also, though, your cats testing positive could just be positive because they've been exposed and still 'throw off' the virus and end up negative. Many people on the list mix cats following the vaccination protocol someone (I think Chere) discussed. I've had 2 positives mixed with my negatives for around 7 years. I lost one of my positives, but none of my negatives have caught the virus. The positives were positive when I brought them in. In general, people on the list have found the shots to be effective. If all of these cats have already been mixed, then my opinion is that whatever damage there might be is already done. I would still booster my negatives though before mixing. I hope this helps some. As I said, others will contact you as well. tonya"Mrs. Kulak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine. Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there to sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. But they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment. The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlest one is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I've even caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's really hard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period is over and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove to be negative, then get their shots, could I put the family back together again? Or is it better for me to find a new home for the ill cats? I will die if I have to lose them. They are my babies. This will be the third and fourth kittens I have lost in three years. But I need to do what's best. I'd rather take care of the ill kittens myself than have the cost burden and the stress go to someone else. I know I have a home for the three older cats providing they stay negative. I just really want to try to keep the family together. So, how effective are the shots? Third and final, the animal shelter that I received the kitten from is trying to deny that it was their kitten. In a sense, they told me that my vet tested incorrectly. Now I know that the shelter is trying to do a good thing, but I feel they have a responsibility to tell the other people who have adopted kittens or cats from the same group and time period. They aren't listening to me. I've researched about the incubation period and that maybe they should have held onto all the cats and kittens for a few more weeks because it could sit dormant. They kept insisting that the kitten tested negative; and I told them I know that, but..." We got no where. Now what do I do? All my other cats have been tested twice a year for everything. (I take them to the vet for even the slightest sniffle - I'm a little protective). I need to know what do I do to get them to contact the other people. I'm concerned that there are more Feline Leukemia cats out there, more than that, I am sure of it and I think those people have a right to know. So, what do I do? I was thinking about taking out a full page ad in the Milwaukee Journal or contacting the Better Business Bureau. I need to do something. Sorry I took so much time, but I have many issues and/or concerns. I don't know what to do.
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Hi, I'm guessing your other cats were not vaccinated for feline leukemia. are they now? I have lost 3 cats to leukemia. I am down to 7. however they have all lived together as the stress of keeping them apart would have added to their problems. I had two cats with leukemia however one recently tested negative after 3-4 years of supplements and vitamins. all my cats get MegaC+, vit e 200 units, A & D once a week and pet tinic. the two +'s are also on ambrotose. I only tried interferon when the last one got sick--one day a fat healthy 2 year old and then "crashed" in a sense. the last one- a male- who died from leukemia I rescued from a kill pound along with his two siblings. one sibling died within a couple of weeks from something unrelated. the other kitten is sitting here on my lap and except for her runny eyes which one vet said was feline herpes, she is fine and still tests negative. She and her brother were inseparable adn always cleaning each other and biting while playing. no idea what retrovir is--hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me will come along to help. the info on the net is tremendous and overwhelming. just remember to enjoy the time you have with your cats. sorry you had this virus hit your family. what did the other kittens you mentioned die from? i would recommend you get your cats on supplements to boost their immune system. filtered water is also good. try to stay away from grocery store cat food and feed your cats a better diet-wellness, Petguard, Merrick's, Eagle brand are good names. as for the animal shelter, i'd say, channel your energy into postive and focus on your cats. many rescue shelters are understaffed and overworked and trying to deal with public that refuses to neuter/spay their animals and the sad eyes of the animals the rescue staff must walk past as they make life and death decisions about which animals to rescue from the kill pounds. also have you gone to the www.holisticat.com site and searched thru their archives for info. take care barbara - Original Message - From: Mrs. Kulak To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: New To This I have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can. First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine. Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there to sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. But they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment. The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlest one is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I've even caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's really hard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period is over and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove to be negative, then get their shots, could I put the family back together again? Or is it better for me to find a new home for the ill cats? I will die if I have to lose them. They are my babies. This will be the third and fourth kittens I have lost in three years. But I need to do what's best. I'd rather take care of the ill kittens myself than have the cost burden and the stress go to someone else. I know I have a home for the three older cats providing they stay negative. I just really want to try to keep the family together. So, how effective are the shots? Third and final, the animal shelter that I received the kitten from is trying to deny that i
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I am sorry to here your little ones are positive.From all the people I have talked to I have not herd of any cat giving it another I do have 2 positive & 4 negative.A cat can have FeLV but test negative,if it is not in there blood stream they will test negative.If a cat is not well or is under stress then it can then show.But there can also be false positives.I am not an expert but I have done alot of research & talked to lots of people & vets.I have lost cats & have some that are positive 1 cat is now 6 years old.I have to brothers that are almost a year old That were about 7 days when they were left on my porch,1 tests negative & 1 positive.I hope this helps,If you need anything just send an email.I have got alot of help & support for this group they are great people with big hearts. Love Anita & Kitties - Original Message - From: Mrs. Kulak To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 9:55 AM Subject: New To This I have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can. First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine. Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there to sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. But they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment. The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlest one is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I've even caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's really hard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period is over and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove to be negative, then get their shots, could I put the family back together again? Or is it better for me to find a new home for the ill cats? I will die if I have to lose them. They are my babies. This will be the third and fourth kittens I have lost in three years. But I need to do what's best. I'd rather take care of the ill kittens myself than have the cost burden and the stress go to someone else. I know I have a home for the three older cats providing they stay negative. I just really want to try to keep the family together. So, how effective are the shots? Third and final, the animal shelter that I received the kitten from is trying to deny that it was their kitten. In a sense, they told me that my vet tested incorrectly. Now I know that the shelter is trying to do a good thing, but I feel they have a responsibility to tell the other people who have adopted kittens or cats from the same group and time period. They aren't listening to me. I've researched about the incubation period and that maybe they should have held onto all the cats and kittens for a few more weeks because it could sit dormant. They kept insisting that the kitten tested negative; and I told them I know that, but..." We got no where. Now what do I do? All my other cats have been tested twice a year for everything. (I take them to the vet for even the slightest sniffle - I'm a little protective). I need to know what do I do to get them to contact the other people. I'm concerned that there are more Feline Leukemia cats out there, more than that, I am sure of it and I think those people have a right to know. So, what do I do? I was thinking about taking out a full page ad in the Milwaukee Journal or contacting the Better Business Bureau. I need to do something. Sorry I took so much time,
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Dear Kristina: I am so sorry you have encountered this situation, but you have come to the right place. I adopted a FELV+ cat (Ms Slippers) when she was only a year or so old. Although starving and emaciated at the time, we had her spayed-- and within weeks she was a picture of health. We also had another cat who was a couple of years older than Slippers. His name is Sneakers -- and he was negative. Our vet advised us to keep them apart until Sneakers had his FELV shot, then we had to wait 2 more weeks until he had his booster. After that, we were told that we could mix them--and we did. Although we lost Slippers after having her less than a year, Sneakers is still with us and is still negative. Since then, we have adopted 6 more cats (unfortunately we lost Raven in 2003 -- but not to FELV). All our other kitties have tested negative. It is my understanding that sometimes the tests for FELV can give inaccurate results. I have not encountered this problem, so I am probably not the person to give advise on this. However, many people on this site do mix positive and negatives--but like me, they probably have their negative kitties have the shots first. You positive kitties, need to begin treatments to build their immune systems. Many on this site, including myself, have used interferon, Vitamin C and other immune boosters. I think some use L-Lysine, although I did not, because by the time I had learned of these things, it was too late for Slippers. I am sure you will get great advise from others on this site. Don't give up hope. Begin your immune treatments and get you negative kitties the shots they need. Occasionally, Slippers and Sneakers would eat from the same bowls and drink from the same bowls and use the same litter boxes--after Sneakers had his shots. I am sure others will write in to help. Bless you for keeping this precious little kitten and for being so wonderful with all of you cats. They are truly precious. Sincerely, Chere http://www.bemikitties.com/msslippers - Original Message - From: Mrs. Kulak To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: New To This I have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can. First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine. Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there to sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. But they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment. The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlest one is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I've even caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's really hard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period is over and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove to be negative, then get their shots, could I put the family back together again? Or is it better for me to find a new home for the ill cats? I will die if I have to lose them. They are my babies. This will be the third and fourth kittens I have lost in three years. But I need to do what's best. I'd rather take care of the ill kittens myself than have the cost burden and the stress go to someone else. I know I have a home for the three older cats providing they stay negative. I just really want to try to keep the family together. So, how effective are the shots? Third and final, the animal shelter that I received the kitten from is trying to deny that it was their kitten. In a
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I have just found out that my two kittens are positive for feline leukemia. I adopted a kitten from an animal shelter in Wisconsin that originally tested negative. But since then he has become positive and has infected one of my older cats, who in the meantime has become quite sick. It is devastating to me. BUT, I am trying to remain optimistic. Therefore, I am trying to find out all I can. First of all, I have three other cats, all of which tested negative. I have to keep them separated now from my two "sick" ones. Even though the little kitten I adopted in November has the virus, he acts totally normal. The older kitten which is actually a year old now, is sick. I've been giving the older one 3cc of Retrovir in the morning and in the evening. I don't know what the side effects are to cats. I only received the side effects for humans when I picked up the medicine at the pharmacy. Is there any place you can recommend to me to find out more about the side effects to cats? The side effects to humans don't look so good, so I'm a bit worried about this medicine. Second, as I have stated, I have to keep my cats all separated. This is EXTREMELY hard. We were one big happy family. All of my cats got along, cuddled, took care of the little ones, played together, cleaned each other, and now I've had to tear up the family. The older ones in the basement are wondering what's going on. I go down there to sit with them and they just stare at me. It's kind of creepy. But they do thrive on the attention once we get past the awkward moment. The kittens I keep upstairs so that I can monitor them. The littlest one is constantly crying at the door that separates them all. I've even caught the older one clawing at the door today. It's really hard. Therefore, I was wondering, if after the incubation period is over and the other older cats get retested and if they still prove to be negative, then get their shots, could I put the family back together again? Or is it better for me to find a new home for the ill cats? I will die if I have to lose them. They are my babies. This will be the third and fourth kittens I have lost in three years. But I need to do what's best. I'd rather take care of the ill kittens myself than have the cost burden and the stress go to someone else. I know I have a home for the three older cats providing they stay negative. I just really want to try to keep the family together. So, how effective are the shots? Third and final, the animal shelter that I received the kitten from is trying to deny that it was their kitten. In a sense, they told me that my vet tested incorrectly. Now I know that the shelter is trying to do a good thing, but I feel they have a responsibility to tell the other people who have adopted kittens or cats from the same group and time period. They aren't listening to me. I've researched about the incubation period and that maybe they should have held onto all the cats and kittens for a few more weeks because it could sit dormant. They kept insisting that the kitten tested negative; and I told them I know that, but..." We got no where. Now what do I do? All my other cats have been tested twice a year for everything. (I take them to the vet for even the slightest sniffle - I'm a little protective). I need to know what do I do to get them to contact the other people. I'm concerned that there are more Feline Leukemia cats out there, more than that, I am sure of it and I think those people have a right to know. So, what do I do? I was thinking about taking out a full page ad in the Milwaukee Journal or contacting the Better Business Bureau. I need to do something. Sorry I took so much time, but I have many issues and/or concerns. I don't know what to do. I've been reading a lot on the internet, but I can't find the answer to these few things. I appreciate any help/advice you could give me. Thank you. Kristina
