Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
My vets office told me they can take blood from all the kittens an combine it and use 1 or 2 tests, depending on the size of the litter. If the tests come back at all positive, they then do individual tests. This can save money, which I guess is what these rescues are trying to do by only testing one in the litter. Beth Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I agree this is bad. I hate it when rescues do this. Even Nathan Winograd, who is against testing, states that the one thing you should not do is selective testing. Either test none or all. I think people do this because they really do not understand the disease, or have outdated information. I tried to educate my previous rescue group regarding FELV and it fell on deaf ears. On 11/25/06, Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I have learned that the policy with rescue cat groups is that they test 1 in the litter of feral cats.my Asia did not get tested but her brother did.he tested negative but her paperwork states she was tested a year agoand was negative. When I called that vet yesterday I was told no we do not have a record of her being tested, we only test one in a litter and it was her brother that got tested, Pierre. I think the all should be tested. Dianne - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be treated as any other illness a cat might come down with. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, this is a lot of information to process. Thanks everyone! I know there are a lot of people who advocate NOT testing and was surprised to find no one spoke up on that angle. One of my favorite animal people, Nathan Winograd, does not test for FIV and only tests for FELV because the board insists. I know most of the well known feral cat groups do not test cats who appear healthy, but that's a different can of worms. I will say that all cats that come into rescue are initially tested, because that is what the shelters around here do. I have set up that I will require owner surrenders provide proof of negative combo test. I'm not sure about the statements about eventually having lots of FELV+ cats to deal with. In this area I know people who have been doing rescue for years and not come across a single case or maybe one or 2. What I don't want is for a foster to end up in the position I did, when I had a kitten test light + and no one, from the director on down, could tell me what to do, what was going to happen to the cats, etc. Fortunately she and the rest of that litter later tested negative. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
This is interesting. I'd never heard of it before. I'll have to ask my vet about it. He charges a lot more to run a test than the wellness clinic does though. On 11/27/06, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vets office told me they can take blood from all the kittens an combine it and use 1 or 2 tests, depending on the size of the litter. If the tests come back at all positive, they then do individual tests. This can save money, which I guess is what these rescues are trying to do by only testing one in the litter. Beth *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Yes, I agree this is bad. I hate it when rescues do this. Even Nathan Winograd, who is against testing, states that the one thing you should not do is selective testing. Either test none or all. I think people do this because they really do not understand the disease, or have outdated information. I tried to educate my previous rescue group regarding FELV and it fell on deaf ears. On 11/25/06, Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I have learned that the policy with rescue cat groups is that they test 1 in the litter of feral cats.my Asia did not get tested but her brother did.he tested negative but her paperwork states she was tested a year agoand was negative. When I called that vet yesterday I was told no we do not have a record of her being tested, we only test one in a litter and it was her brother that got tested, Pierre. I think the all should be tested. Dianne - Original Message - *From:* catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:06 PM *Subject:* Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be treated as any other illness a cat might come down with. t *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Wow, this is a lot of information to process. Thanks everyone! I know there are a lot of people who advocate NOT testing and was surprised to find no one spoke up on that angle. One of my favorite animal people, Nathan Winograd, does not test for FIV and only tests for FELV because the board insists. I know most of the well known feral cat groups do not test cats who appear healthy, but that's a different can of worms. I will say that all cats that come into rescue are initially tested, because that is what the shelters around here do. I have set up that I will require owner surrenders provide proof of negative combo test. I'm not sure about the statements about eventually having lots of FELV+ cats to deal with. In this area I know people who have been doing rescue for years and not come across a single case or maybe one or 2. What I don't want is for a foster to end up in the position I did, when I had a kitten test light + and no one, from the director on down, could tell me what to do, what was going to happen to the cats, etc. Fortunately she and the rest of that litter later tested negative. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=42297/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
i tried to find a vet's office in town who'd do that--no one would. (this is a town with 3 24-hour-hr emergency vets, 6 housecall vets, a vet school, two cat-only vets... seems the vet students set down roots while in school, then never leave!) On 11/27/06, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vets office told me they can take blood from all the kittens an combine it and use 1 or 2 tests, depending on the size of the litter. If the tests come back at all positive, they then do individual tests. This can save money, which I guess is what these rescues are trying to do by only testing one in the litter. Beth Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I agree this is bad. I hate it when rescues do this. Even Nathan Winograd, who is against testing, states that the one thing you should not do is selective testing. Either test none or all. I think people do this because they really do not understand the disease, or have outdated information. I tried to educate my previous rescue group regarding FELV and it fell on deaf ears. On 11/25/06, Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I have learned that the policy with rescue cat groups is that they test 1 in the litter of feral cats.my Asia did not get tested but her brother did.he tested negative but her paperwork states she was tested a year agoand was negative. When I called that vet yesterday I was told no we do not have a record of her being tested, we only test one in a litter and it was her brother that got tested, Pierre. I think the all should be tested. Dianne - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be treated as any other illness a cat might come down with. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, this is a lot of information to process. Thanks everyone! I know there are a lot of people who advocate NOT testing and was surprised to find no one spoke up on that angle. One of my favorite animal people, Nathan Winograd, does not test for FIV and only tests for FELV because the board insists. I know most of the well known feral cat groups do not test cats who appear healthy, but that's a different can of worms. I will say that all cats that come into rescue are initially tested, because that is what the shelters around here do. I have set up that I will require owner surrenders provide proof of negative combo test. I'm not sure about the statements about eventually having lots of FELV+ cats to deal with. In this area I know people who have been doing rescue for years and not come across a single case or maybe one or 2. What I don't want is for a foster to end up in the position I did, when I had a kitten test light + and no one, from the director on down, could tell me what to do, what was going to happen to the cats, etc. Fortunately she and the rest of that litter later tested negative. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
Dr Julie Levy of Operation Catnip, Gainesville Florida - has done a lot of research and does not recommend batch testing. From: Gussies mom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues My vets office told me they can take blood from all the kittens an combine it and use 1 or 2 tests, depending on the size of the litter. If the tests come back at all positive, they then do individual tests. This can save money, which I guess is what these rescues are trying to do by only testing one in the litter. Beth Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I agree this is bad. I hate it when rescues do this. Even Nathan Winograd, who is against testing, states that the one thing you should not do is selective testing. Either test none or all. I think people do this because they really do not understand the disease, or have outdated information. I tried to educate my previous rescue group regarding FELV and it fell on deaf ears. On 11/25/06, Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I have learned that the policy with rescue cat groups is that they test 1 in the litter of feral cats.my Asia did not get tested but her brother did.he tested negative but her paperwork states she was tested a year agoand was negative. When I called that vet yesterday I was told no we do not have a record of her being tested, we only test one in a litter and it was her brother that got tested, Pierre. I think the all should be tested. Dianne - Original Message - From: catatonya mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be treated as any other illness a cat might come down with. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, this is a lot of information to process. Thanks everyone! I know there are a lot of people who advocate NOT testing and was surprised to find no one spoke up on that angle. One of my favorite animal people, Nathan Winograd, does not test for FIV and only tests for FELV because the board insists. I know most of the well known feral cat groups do not test cats who appear healthy, but that's a different can of worms. I will say that all cats that come into rescue are initially tested, because that is what the shelters around here do. I have set up that I will require owner surrenders provide proof of negative combo test. I'm not sure about the statements about eventually having lots of FELV+ cats to deal with. In this area I know people who have been doing rescue for years and not come across a single case or maybe one or 2. What I don't want is for a foster to end up in the position I did, when I had a kitten test light + and no one, from the director on down, could tell me what to do, what was going to happen to the cats, etc. Fortunately she and the rest of that litter later tested negative. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
This is at a cat-only clinic. I can see it if there are a lot in a litter. For my personal cats I would want them tested separately. But in rescue it gets expensive, even at 30% discount. We buy our own tests and the vet will draw the blood for free. Beth TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i tried to find a vet's office in town who'd do that--no one would. (this is a town with 3 24-hour-hr emergency vets, 6 housecall vets, a vet school, two cat-only vets... seems the vet students set down roots while in school, then never leave!) On 11/27/06, Gussies mom wrote: My vets office told me they can take blood from all the kittens an combine it and use 1 or 2 tests, depending on the size of the litter. If the tests come back at all positive, they then do individual tests. This can save money, which I guess is what these rescues are trying to do by only testing one in the litter. Beth Kelley Saveika wrote: Yes, I agree this is bad. I hate it when rescues do this. Even Nathan Winograd, who is against testing, states that the one thing you should not do is selective testing. Either test none or all. I think people do this because they really do not understand the disease, or have outdated information. I tried to educate my previous rescue group regarding FELV and it fell on deaf ears. On 11/25/06, Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. wrote: Here I have learned that the policy with rescue cat groups is that they test 1 in the litter of feral cats.my Asia did not get tested but her brother did.he tested negative but her paperwork states she was tested a year agoand was negative. When I called that vet yesterday I was told no we do not have a record of her being tested, we only test one in a litter and it was her brother that got tested, Pierre. I think the all should be tested. Dianne - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be treated as any other illness a cat might come down with. t Kelley Saveika wrote: Wow, this is a lot of information to process. Thanks everyone! I know there are a lot of people who advocate NOT testing and was surprised to find no one spoke up on that angle. One of my favorite animal people, Nathan Winograd, does not test for FIV and only tests for FELV because the board insists. I know most of the well known feral cat groups do not test cats who appear healthy, but that's a different can of worms. I will say that all cats that come into rescue are initially tested, because that is what the shelters around here do. I have set up that I will require owner surrenders provide proof of negative combo test. I'm not sure about the statements about eventually having lots of FELV+ cats to deal with. In this area I know people who have been doing rescue for years and not come across a single case or maybe one or 2. What I don't want is for a foster to end up in the position I did, when I had a kitten test light + and no one, from the director on down, could tell me what to do, what was going to happen to the cats, etc. Fortunately she and the rest of that litter later tested negative. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.
RE: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
It's better than them only testing one as they are Frullani, Anita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dr Julie Levy of Operation Catnip, Gainesville Florida has done a lot of research and does not recommend batch testing. - From: Gussies mom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues My vets office told me they can take blood from all the kittens an combine it and use 1 or 2 tests, depending on the size of the litter. If the tests come back at all positive, they then do individual tests. This can save money, which I guess is what these rescues are trying to do by only testing one in the litter. Beth Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I agree this is bad. I hate it when rescues do this. Even Nathan Winograd, who is against testing, states that the one thing you should not do is selective testing. Either test none or all. I think people do this because they really do not understand the disease, or have outdated information. I tried to educate my previous rescue group regarding FELV and it fell on deaf ears. On 11/25/06, Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I have learned that the policy with rescue cat groups is that they test 1 in the litter of feral cats.my Asia did not get tested but her brother did.he tested negative but her paperwork states she was tested a year agoand was negative. When I called that vet yesterday I was told no we do not have a record of her being tested, we only test one in a litter and it was her brother that got tested, Pierre. I think the all should be tested. Dianne - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be treated as any other illness a cat might come down with. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, this is a lot of information to process. Thanks everyone! I know there are a lot of people who advocate NOT testing and was surprised to find no one spoke up on that angle. One of my favorite animal people, Nathan Winograd, does not test for FIV and only tests for FELV because the board insists. I know most of the well known feral cat groups do not test cats who appear healthy, but that's a different can of worms. I will say that all cats that come into rescue are initially tested, because that is what the shelters around here do. I have set up that I will require owner surrenders provide proof of negative combo test. I'm not sure about the statements about eventually having lots of FELV+ cats to deal with. In this area I know people who have been doing rescue for years and not come across a single case or maybe one or 2. What I don't want is for a foster to end up in the position I did, when I had a kitten test light + and no one, from the director on down, could tell me what to do, what was going to happen to the cats, etc. Fortunately she and the rest of that litter later tested negative. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. - Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
We batch test kittens for FeLV, meaning that blood drawn from two siblings will be tested with one test kit. So far (knock on wood) we have never had a positive kitten so we have never had to go to individual testing. Batch testing has worked out well and cuts costs. Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:My vets office told me they can take blood from all the kittens an combine it and use 1 or 2 tests, depending on the size of the litter. If the tests come back at all positive, they then do individual tests. This can save money, which I guess is what these rescues are trying to do by only testing one in the litter. Beth Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I agree this is bad. I hate it when rescues do this. Even Nathan Winograd, who is against testing, states that the one thing you should not do is selective testing. Either test none or all. I think people do this because they really do not understand the disease, or have outdated information. I tried to educate my previous rescue group regarding FELV and it fell on deaf ears. On 11/25/06, Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I have learned that the policy with rescue cat groups is that they test 1 in the litter of feral cats.my Asia did not get tested but her brother did.he tested negative but her paperwork states she was tested a year agoand was negative. When I called that vet yesterday I was told no we do not have a record of her being tested, we only test one in a litter and it was her brother that got tested, Pierre. I think the all should be tested. Dianne - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be treated as any other illness a cat might come down with. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, this is a lot of information to process. Thanks everyone! I know there are a lot of people who advocate NOT testing and was surprised to find no one spoke up on that angle. One of my favorite animal people, Nathan Winograd, does not test for FIV and only tests for FELV because the board insists. I know most of the well known feral cat groups do not test cats who appear healthy, but that's a different can of worms. I will say that all cats that come into rescue are initially tested, because that is what the shelters around here do. I have set up that I will require owner surrenders provide proof of negative combo test. I'm not sure about the statements about eventually having lots of FELV+ cats to deal with. In this area I know people who have been doing rescue for years and not come across a single case or maybe one or 2. What I don't want is for a foster to end up in the position I did, when I had a kitten test light + and no one, from the director on down, could tell me what to do, what was going to happen to the cats, etc. Fortunately she and the rest of that litter later tested negative. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
RE: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
Why? We test two siblings with one test. If ever we get a positive then we would individually test those two. batch testing seems to make a lot of sense. Frullani, Anita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dr Julie Levy of Operation Catnip, Gainesville Florida has done a lot of research and does not recommend batch testing. - From: Gussies mom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues My vets office told me they can take blood from all the kittens an combine it and use 1 or 2 tests, depending on the size of the litter. If the tests come back at all positive, they then do individual tests. This can save money, which I guess is what these rescues are trying to do by only testing one in the litter. Beth Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I agree this is bad. I hate it when rescues do this. Even Nathan Winograd, who is against testing, states that the one thing you should not do is selective testing. Either test none or all. I think people do this because they really do not understand the disease, or have outdated information. I tried to educate my previous rescue group regarding FELV and it fell on deaf ears. On 11/25/06, Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I have learned that the policy with rescue cat groups is that they test 1 in the litter of feral cats.my Asia did not get tested but her brother did.he tested negative but her paperwork states she was tested a year agoand was negative. When I called that vet yesterday I was told no we do not have a record of her being tested, we only test one in a litter and it was her brother that got tested, Pierre. I think the all should be tested. Dianne - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be treated as any other illness a cat might come down with. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, this is a lot of information to process. Thanks everyone! I know there are a lot of people who advocate NOT testing and was surprised to find no one spoke up on that angle. One of my favorite animal people, Nathan Winograd, does not test for FIV and only tests for FELV because the board insists. I know most of the well known feral cat groups do not test cats who appear healthy, but that's a different can of worms. I will say that all cats that come into rescue are initially tested, because that is what the shelters around here do. I have set up that I will require owner surrenders provide proof of negative combo test. I'm not sure about the statements about eventually having lots of FELV+ cats to deal with. In this area I know people who have been doing rescue for years and not come across a single case or maybe one or 2. What I don't want is for a foster to end up in the position I did, when I had a kitten test light + and no one, from the director on down, could tell me what to do, what was going to happen to the cats, etc. Fortunately she and the rest of that litter later tested negative. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
RE: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
But why would batch testing be something not recommended? Is there specific reasoning behind this? Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's better than them only testing one as they are Frullani, Anita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr Julie Levy of Operation Catnip, Gainesville Florida has done a lot of research and does not recommend batch testing. - From: Gussies mom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues My vets office told me they can take blood from all the kittens an combine it and use 1 or 2 tests, depending on the size of the litter. If the tests come back at all positive, they then do individual tests. This can save money, which I guess is what these rescues are trying to do by only testing one in the litter. Beth Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I agree this is bad. I hate it when rescues do this. Even Nathan Winograd, who is against testing, states that the one thing you should not do is selective testing. Either test none or all. I think people do this because they really do not understand the disease, or have outdated information. I tried to educate my previous rescue group regarding FELV and it fell on deaf ears. On 11/25/06, Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I have learned that the policy with rescue cat groups is that they test 1 in the litter of feral cats.my Asia did not get tested but her brother did.he tested negative but her paperwork states she was tested a year agoand was negative. When I called that vet yesterday I was told no we do not have a record of her being tested, we only test one in a litter and it was her brother that got tested, Pierre. I think the all should be tested. Dianne - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be treated as any other illness a cat might come down with. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, this is a lot of information to process. Thanks everyone! I know there are a lot of people who advocate NOT testing and was surprised to find no one spoke up on that angle. One of my favorite animal people, Nathan Winograd, does not test for FIV and only tests for FELV because the board insists. I know most of the well known feral cat groups do not test cats who appear healthy, but that's a different can of worms. I will say that all cats that come into rescue are initially tested, because that is what the shelters around here do. I have set up that I will require owner surrenders provide proof of negative combo test. I'm not sure about the statements about eventually having lots of FELV+ cats to deal with. In this area I know people who have been doing rescue for years and not come across a single case or maybe one or 2. What I don't want is for a foster to end up in the position I did, when I had a kitten test light + and no one, from the director on down, could tell me what to do, what was going to happen to the cats, etc. Fortunately she and the rest of that litter later tested negative. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. - Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
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Because if you mix too many cats the blood can get diluted too much if the number of positives is much lower than the number of negatives. Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But why would batch testing be something not recommended? Is there specific reasoning behind this? Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's better than them only testing one as they are Frullani, Anita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr Julie Levy of Operation Catnip, Gainesville Florida has done a lot of research and does not recommend batch testing. - From: Gussies mom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues My vets office told me they can take blood from all the kittens an combine it and use 1 or 2 tests, depending on the size of the litter. If the tests come back at all positive, they then do individual tests. This can save money, which I guess is what these rescues are trying to do by only testing one in the litter. Beth Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I agree this is bad. I hate it when rescues do this. Even Nathan Winograd, who is against testing, states that the one thing you should not do is selective testing. Either test none or all. I think people do this because they really do not understand the disease, or have outdated information. I tried to educate my previous rescue group regarding FELV and it fell on deaf ears. On 11/25/06, Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I have learned that the policy with rescue cat groups is that they test 1 in the litter of feral cats.my Asia did not get tested but her brother did.he tested negative but her paperwork states she was tested a year agoand was negative. When I called that vet yesterday I was told no we do not have a record of her being tested, we only test one in a litter and it was her brother that got tested, Pierre. I think the all should be tested. Dianne - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be treated as any other illness a cat might come down with. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, this is a lot of information to process. Thanks everyone! I know there are a lot of people who advocate NOT testing and was surprised to find no one spoke up on that angle. One of my favorite animal people, Nathan Winograd, does not test for FIV and only tests for FELV because the board insists. I know most of the well known feral cat groups do not test cats who appear healthy, but that's a different can of worms. I will say that all cats that come into rescue are initially tested, because that is what the shelters around here do. I have set up that I will require owner surrenders provide proof of negative combo test. I'm not sure about the statements about eventually having lots of FELV+ cats to deal with. In this area I know people who have been doing rescue for years and not come across a single case or maybe one or 2. What I don't want is for a foster to end up in the position I did, when I had a kitten test light + and no one, from the director on down, could tell me what to do, what was going to happen to the cats, etc. Fortunately she and the rest of that litter later tested negative. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. - Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. - Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
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Most vets in California will do two or perhaps three litttermates with one test. The spay/neuter clinic that I sue for kittens does two littermates. So it sounds like it is an acceptabel way to do things as long as it is limited like that. (Doing two littermates at a time cuts the cost in half for rescues. Pretty significant if you see 100 kittens a year.) Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because if you mix too many cats the blood can get diluted too much if the number of positives is much lower than the number of negatives. Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But why would batch testing be something not recommended? Is there specific reasoning behind this? Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's better than them only testing one as they are Frullani, Anita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr Julie Levy of Operation Catnip, Gainesville Florida has done a lot of research and does not recommend batch testing. - From: Gussies mom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues My vets office told me they can take blood from all the kittens an combine it and use 1 or 2 tests, depending on the size of the litter. If the tests come back at all positive, they then do individual tests. This can save money, which I guess is what these rescues are trying to do by only testing one in the litter. Beth Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I agree this is bad. I hate it when rescues do this. Even Nathan Winograd, who is against testing, states that the one thing you should not do is selective testing. Either test none or all. I think people do this because they really do not understand the disease, or have outdated information. I tried to educate my previous rescue group regarding FELV and it fell on deaf ears. On 11/25/06, Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I have learned that the policy with rescue cat groups is that they test 1 in the litter of feral cats.my Asia did not get tested but her brother did.he tested negative but her paperwork states she was tested a year agoand was negative. When I called that vet yesterday I was told no we do not have a record of her being tested, we only test one in a litter and it was her brother that got tested, Pierre. I think the all should be tested. Dianne - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be treated as any other illness a cat might come down with. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, this is a lot of information to process. Thanks everyone! I know there are a lot of people who advocate NOT testing and was surprised to find no one spoke up on that angle. One of my favorite animal people, Nathan Winograd, does not test for FIV and only tests for FELV because the board insists. I know most of the well known feral cat groups do not test cats who appear healthy, but that's a different can of worms. I will say that all cats that come into rescue are initially tested, because that is what the shelters around here do. I have set up that I will require owner surrenders provide proof of negative combo test. I'm not sure about the statements about eventually having lots of FELV+ cats to deal with. In this area I know people who have been doing rescue for years and not come across a single case or maybe one or 2. What I don't want is for a foster to end up in the position I did, when I had a kitten test light + and no one, from the director on down, could tell me what to do, what was going to happen to the cats, etc. Fortunately she and the rest of that litter later tested negative. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. - Want to start your own
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues The spay/neuter clinic that I sue for kittens We live in a litigious society ;-) Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
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Oops. I meant use... Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues The spay/neuter clinic that I sue for kittens We live in a litigious society ;-) Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged.They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
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I was pretty sure that was what you meant. ;-) It just conjured up such a delightful image -- a dark wood courtroom, and a basket full of squirming kittens labeled Exhibit A... Does/did anyone here watch Buffy? In a couple of episodes, reference is made to the vampire Spike and his demon cronies *gambling* for kittens (thankfully nothing is ever shown of what they do with them, so you can still think it's funny and not be too ashamed). At one point, Spike is into a loan shark (a demon with the head of a shark) for X number of kittens. Spike says he's good for them, he just needs a little time. Time, says the loan shark with distaste, is what turns kittens into *cats.* Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues Oops. I meant use... Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues The spay/neuter clinic that I sue for kittens We live in a litigious society ;-) Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged.They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
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Yes, I agree this is bad. I hate it when rescues do this. Even Nathan Winograd, who is against testing, states that the one thing you should not do is selective testing. Either test none or all. I think people do this because they really do not understand the disease, or have outdated information. I tried to educate my previous rescue group regarding FELV and it fell on deaf ears. On 11/25/06, Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I have learned that the policy with rescue cat groups is that they test 1 in the litter of feral cats.my Asia did not get tested but her brother did.he tested negative but her paperwork states she was tested a year agoand was negative. When I called that vet yesterday I was told no we do not have a record of her being tested, we only test one in a litter and it was her brother that got tested, Pierre. I think the all should be tested. Dianne - Original Message - *From:* catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:06 PM *Subject:* Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be treated as any other illness a cat might come down with. t *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Wow, this is a lot of information to process. Thanks everyone! I know there are a lot of people who advocate NOT testing and was surprised to find no one spoke up on that angle. One of my favorite animal people, Nathan Winograd, does not test for FIV and only tests for FELV because the board insists. I know most of the well known feral cat groups do not test cats who appear healthy, but that's a different can of worms. I will say that all cats that come into rescue are initially tested, because that is what the shelters around here do. I have set up that I will require owner surrenders provide proof of negative combo test. I'm not sure about the statements about eventually having lots of FELV+ cats to deal with. In this area I know people who have been doing rescue for years and not come across a single case or maybe one or 2. What I don't want is for a foster to end up in the position I did, when I had a kitten test light + and no one, from the director on down, could tell me what to do, what was going to happen to the cats, etc. Fortunately she and the rest of that litter later tested negative. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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On 11/26/06, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think that part of the problem is the over-riding lack of information mentioned so often (by me, too, if i recall): for a long time it was assumed that if mom was positive, or if one kitten was positive, then the whole litter was i'm not even sure that that wasn't the case at one point--i know that mixed litters seem to be showing up far more often now than they did five years ago and, thankfully, more kittens who initially test positive are testing negative later on. Unfortunately people still assume this. Misinformation abounds, and often people don't want to be educated. (I think part of it is not spending the money for additional combo tests). I would probably still assume this had I not found this list (thanks again yall). something that all rescues/shelters should know is that idexx, at least, has a great discount program for 501(c)3s--i'm fuzzy on the current details, but it used to be that you had to buy in bulk (30 test kits, which during kitten season any group can easily go through!), with each test costing under $7/per for the combo test. most shelters/rescues that deal with dogs know how to draw bloods for heartworm testing, so it's not out of the question for them to do their own blood draws for kitties. vet techs will often donate their time to do the blood draws, too, if you ask around... We are so small I am not sure I could convince a vet tech. We don't deal with dogs (yet) either. Fortunately I can get a combo test at the wellness clinic for $16. I usually just take the whole litter in at once. and it's important, again, to distinquish between FIV and FeLV--i don't test for the former, but will for the latter perhaps finding out the current specifics on the idexx program (and others, if they exist) is something someone could take on, then provide the info to the rest of us to distribute to rescues/shelters in our areas MC Good idea.
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
something that all rescues/shelters should know is that idexx, at least, has a great discount program for 501(c)3s--i'm fuzzy on the current details, but it used to be that you had to buy in bulk (30 test kits, which during kitten season any group can easily go through!), with each test costing under $7/per for the combo test. most shelters/rescues that deal with dogs know how to draw bloods for heartworm testing, so it's not out of the question for them to do their own blood draws for kitties. vet techs will often donate their time to do the blood draws, too, if you ask around... The thing is, I believe you only need ONE blood drop to do the SNAP test, and you can pull that using a lancet on the ear flap, just like if you wanted to do a blood glucose reading for diabetes. So... no vet needed, no vet tech needed, anyone can be taught to use a lancet on the ear to get a blood droplet. The problem is that everyone's always still doing things the hard way because it's habit, and no one wants to use modern technology and methods. There is NO NEED to draw blood from a vein for tests that only require a drop of blood, this includes the test for anemia, and any SNAP tests. Webpages that show lancets, getting the blood droplet, etc: http://www.sugarcats.net/sites/harry/bgtest.htm http://maxshouse.com/bgtest[1].mpg Phaewryn VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
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unless things have changed significantly in the past couple of years, all snaps that i know of (including idexx) require more than a single drop--otherwise, far more shelters/rescues WOULD be doing them themselves. if you have newer info, i'd love to see it. i know that there are LESS expensive tests than the idexx out there, tho it's the one that all but one of the high-volume rescue vets i know of use The thing is, I believe you only need ONE blood drop to do the SNAP test, and you can pull that using a lancet on the ear flap, just like if you wanted to do a blood glucose reading for diabetes. So... no vet needed, no vet tech needed, anyone can be taught to use a lancet on the ear to get a blood droplet. The problem is that everyone's always still doing things the hard way because it's habit, and no one wants to use modern technology and methods. There is NO NEED to draw blood from a vein for tests that only require a drop of blood, this includes the test for anemia, and any SNAP tests. Webpages that show lancets, getting the blood droplet, etc: http://www.sugarcats.net/sites/harry/bgtest.htm http://maxshouse.com/bgtest[1].mpg Phaewryn VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be treated as any other illness a cat might come down with. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, this is a lot of information to process. Thanks everyone! I know there are a lot of people who advocate NOT testing and was surprised to find no one spoke up on that angle. One of my favorite animal people, Nathan Winograd, does not test for FIV and only tests for FELV because the board insists. I know most of the well known feral cat groups do not test cats who appear healthy, but that's a different can of worms. I will say that all cats that come into rescue are initially tested, because that is what the shelters around here do. I have set up that I will require owner surrenders provide proof of negative combo test. I'm not sure about the statements about eventually having lots of FELV+ cats to deal with. In this area I know people who have been doing rescue for years and not come across a single case or maybe one or 2. What I don't want is for a foster to end up in the position I did, when I had a kitten test light + and no one, from the director on down, could tell me what to do, what was going to happen to the cats, etc. Fortunately she and the rest of that litter later tested negative. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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At 04:06 PM 11/25/2006, you wrote: My reason for testing is for treating. I tend to do prophylactic treatment and so It is good to know. I mix my FIV cat but not my FELV. I am now using Alferon for my FIV cat and it has been amazing to me, and I will start my FELV cat on it once I complete the Feline Omega Interferon protocol, His is healthy, Kelly Lane www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be treated as any other illness a cat might come down with. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, this is a lot of information to process. Thanks everyone! I know there are a lot of people who advocate NOT testing and was surprised to find no one spoke up on that angle. One of my favorite animal people, Nathan Winograd, does not test for FIV and only tests for FELV because the board insists. I know most of the well known feral cat groups do not test cats who appear healthy, but that's a different can of worms. I will say that all cats that come into rescue are initially tested, because that is what the shelters around here do. I have set up that I will require owner surrenders provide proof of negative combo test. I'm not sure about the statements about eventually having lots of FELV+ cats to deal with. In this area I know people who have been doing rescue for years and not come across a single case or maybe one or 2. What I don't want is for a foster to end up in the position I did, when I had a kitten test light + and no one, from the director on down, could tell me what to do, what was going to happen to the cats, etc. Fortunately she and the rest of that litter later tested negative. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/551 - Release Date: 11/25/2006
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Here I have learned that the policy with rescue cat groups is that they test 1 in the litter of feral cats.my Asia did not get tested but her brother did.he tested negative but her paperwork states she was tested a year agoand was negative. When I called that vet yesterday I was told no we do not have a record of her being tested, we only test one in a litter and it was her brother that got tested, Pierre. I think the all should be tested. Dianne - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be treated as any other illness a cat might come down with. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, this is a lot of information to process. Thanks everyone! I know there are a lot of people who advocate NOT testing and was surprised to find no one spoke up on that angle. One of my favorite animal people, Nathan Winograd, does not test for FIV and only tests for FELV because the board insists. I know most of the well known feral cat groups do not test cats who appear healthy, but that's a different can of worms. I will say that all cats that come into rescue are initially tested, because that is what the shelters around here do. I have set up that I will require owner surrenders provide proof of negative combo test. I'm not sure about the statements about eventually having lots of FELV+ cats to deal with. In this area I know people who have been doing rescue for years and not come across a single case or maybe one or 2. What I don't want is for a foster to end up in the position I did, when I had a kitten test light + and no one, from the director on down, could tell me what to do, what was going to happen to the cats, etc. Fortunately she and the rest of that litter later tested negative. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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Just curious were all the feral tested before they got sick? Although the ferals are vaccinated, occasionally one or two gets sick and tests positive. I would not do that to any cat, and in a large rescue situation you are going to be risking it if you mix them. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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more importantly, were they tested AND retested? a negative test really means nothing, either, unless one knows FOR SURE just who that kitty was hanging out with the 120 days or so before being trapped. if not retested, the cat could have been contracted the virus the week before, and test negative when they really are not going to remain negative. i understand that it's incredibly impractical on many levels to actually expect people--whether it's ferals or non--to hold a negative cat 120 days to retest, but it is reallythe ONLY way to know for sure. On 11/13/06, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious were all the feral tested before they got sick? Although the ferals are vaccinated, occasionally one or two gets sick and tests positive. I would not do that to any cat, and in a large rescue situation you are going to be risking it if you mix them. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
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Wow, this is a lot of information to process. Thanks everyone! I know there are a lot of people who advocate NOT testing and was surprised to find no one spoke up on that angle. One of my favorite animal people, Nathan Winograd, does not test for FIV and only tests for FELV because the board insists. I know most of the well known feral cat groups do not test cats who appear healthy, but that's a different can of worms. I will say that all cats that come into rescue are initially tested, because that is what the shelters around here do. I have set up that I will require owner surrenders provide proof of negative combo test. I'm not sure about the statements about eventually having lots of FELV+ cats to deal with. In this area I know people who have been doing rescue for years and not come across a single case or maybe one or 2. What I don't want is for a foster to end up in the position I did, when I had a kitten test light + and no one, from the director on down, could tell me what to do, what was going to happen to the cats, etc. Fortunatelyshe and the rest of that litterlater tested negative. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley-- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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i don't test for FIV, either, unless all my vet has with him are the combo tests! i'd like to know if a cat is truly FeLV positive, tho the odds are against it remaining so if it's an healthy adult, just so i can make sure any kittens or vulnerable elders are vaccinated before they come into persistent, prolonged contact with it. (and i wish someone would DEFINE what persistent and prolonged mean.) i'd like to know if a cat is positively FeLV, just to be able to do everything possible for it--to know what to look for, to add supplements that it might need, etc. i'm not gonna love a cat any less if it's FeLV positive, and i don't known anyone in my odd circle of contact who would just ever get rid of a cat. positive or not, now that i think of it! the problem is lack of education--on the diseases themselves, on the reliability of the tests, on the risk to other cats in a household. according to some of the stats susan has found, FeLV snap testing may or may not be as accurate as that for FIV--but no sanctuary or rescue i know of even contemplates calling a cat FIV+ without a western blot. (or, as one vet said, maybe 4 spread-out positive snap tests!) with the DNA testing free from UC Davis, there's absolutely no reason for vets, and even rescues who can hold the cat for the results to come back, to call a cat FIV positive and euthanize it based on a snap test your experience points out exactly why we just have to keep educating, educating, educating! i get called by rescues and shelters all the time about what to do when someone tests positive, in or out of foster homes when people have the information, they don't have to panic, and can a policy already in effect. it gets tiring to keep sending out the same info time and time again, but we have to do it, because the cats just won't... -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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At 03:19 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote: Everyone is different. I would separate the FELV and but he FIV as long as they were friendly, but both are more susceptible to others bugs the other cats have, I would use it as a chance to educate. Kelly Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
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I would test all of them, because you do not want to adopt out without knowing, both because of contagion and because you then will not know what the person/family will do if the cat later tests positive by surprise. If you are going to adopt a positive to someone, you want to know and make sure they can and will handle it. Once tested, I would keep the felv+ cats separate, for sure. My cats came from a cageless shelter where they were not kept completely separate-- some were allowed to live in the outdoor/indoor area with the ferals. Although the ferals are vaccinated, occasionally one or two gets sick and tests positive. I would not do that to any cat, and in a large rescue situation you are going to be risking it if you mix them. FIV is slightly less of a problem to mix, because it can only be spread through bites. However, in a rescue situation, with cats coming and going, you can never really predict or prevent fights. So to be safe, if possible, I would keep them separate also, in their own area. I definitely would not mix fiv and felv, as their immune systems are both weak and they are therefore each more likely to pick up the other disease. You would need to realize, though, that you would probably end up keeping, ie acting as a sanctuary, for the ones that test positive for felv, unless you have a relationship with a sactuary like best friends or sherry's sanctuary that will take them. Occasionally you can adopt one out, but not often. FIV you might have more luck adopting out, but probably not a whole lot more luck. I saw one shelter do a very creative adoption drive advertising FIV+ cats, and explaining what FIV is, at a gay pride festival, clearly thinking that people who are sensitive to and understand HIV will be more likely to be willing to listen about and take on a cat with FIV. I have no idea if it worked, though. I just saw the booth at the festival and asked them some questions, but never followed up. I would try it, though, if I were trying to find homes for FIV+ cats. Of course, FIV is actually less problematic than HIV, as cats can live long lives with it without needing complicated cocktails of meds. FeLV is more like HIV, I think,although worse because we do not have a good drug cocktail to handle it yet. and the name does not sound the same. My two cents. Michelle In a message dated 11/12/2006 6:20:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley
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the very first thing would be to establish a network of foster homes who were educated about, and not afraid of, either virus. in the cases of either, having time and space is often the difference between their life and death--most rescues/shelters might give them a chance if they had a place to keep them safe until their forever homes appeared. once that was in place (ha!), i'd first test with a snap test. would confirm positive FIV results immediately with a western blot; if the western blot was positive and the cat showed evidence of having been a housecat (ie, neutered, or declawed, or very people-oriented), would do the DNA test at UC Davis to see if the FIV was from a prior vaccination. is really still positive? just adopt him out through my own petfinder site, as well as using the various resources available for placing such kitties. for cats who tested positive for FeLV, i'd place the cat into fosterage for 120 days to await restesting with the IFA. if it tested negative then, adopt out as usual. if positive on the IFA, would post on petfinder as a special-needs cat, utilize the network of places that are FeLV-friendly and post it everywhere, and keep it in a foster home until its forever home appeared. should it become symptomatic, theoretically the foster home would have known of this possibility and be willing to help treat it and love it as long as it remained on this plane. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley-- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
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Test for both, using the combo ELISA "snap" test (the one most vet offices do right while you wait in the exam room). If it shows double neg, retest again with same test in 1 month to confirm negative prior to adoption as neg cat, if the cat being absolutely negative is that important to your adoption policy (personally I guarantee that any cat adopted through my rescue TESTED negative, not that the cat IS negative, NOTE the phrasing, it will save you from a lawsuit! I keep all testing records on file even after cat is adopted). If either side shows positive, confirm with a IFA for FELV. Confirm with new DNA test for FIV. Retest using confirmation testing type in 2-6 months. You will also need a clause in your adoption contract that states that the adoptive owner must contact you in the case of the cat being euthanised for ANY reason prior to euth, unless the cat is suffering and it is the only humane option. This saves cats that later test positive from being automatically euth'ed by their vet without contacting you first. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
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well, one month isn't really enough for FeLV retestingi've never seen anything about needing to wait to confirm an FIV negative, tho i guess it couldn't hurt. i've gathered tho, that it will show up much quicker than will FeLV infection. there also doesn't seem to be any real info about adult cats being able to process out the FIV virus once a cat has it, unlike with FeLV. On 11/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Test for both, using the combo ELISA snap test (the one most vet offices do right while you wait in the exam room). If it shows double neg, retest again with same test in 1 month to confirm negative prior to adoption as neg cat, if the cat being absolutely negative is that important to your adoption policy (personally I guarantee that any cat adopted through my rescue TESTED negative, not that the cat IS negative, NOTE the phrasing, it will save you from a lawsuit! I keep all testing records on file even after cat is adopted). If either side shows positive, confirm with a IFA for FELV. Confirm with new DNA test for FIV. Retest using confirmation testing type in 2-6 months. You will also need a clause in your adoption contract that states that the adoptive owner must contact you in the case of the cat being euthanised for ANY reason prior to euth, unless the cat is suffering and it is the only humane option. This saves cats that later test positive from being automatically euth'ed by their vet without contacting you first. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.htmlNo virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
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Oh and missed the what would I do part of that. In the case of FIV positive, I advertise the cat for adoption as FIV+ and provide educational links and brochures for people so they can learn about FIV and know that it's OK to have a FIV+ cat with other negative cats. These usually take about 6 months to a year to place. In the case of FELV, the same as above, except I advise that although FELV is not easily transmitted, it can be passed on to other cats in the household. I tell people that the cat deserves a home just like any other cat, and would be perfect for a home without other cats, or with other FELV+ cats, and if I have more than one in rescue, I offer a very reduced adoption fee for a PAIR of FELV+ cats.Usually, sadly, these cats do not find homes. At that point it's a personal choice, do YOU want to create a FELV+ sanctuary room at your rescue, or do you want to euthanise? Now, when it comes to deciding on sanctuary rooms, here's the tricky part. Do you make ONE room and mix FIV+ and FELV+ both in it, or do you make a FELV+ room, and a FIV+ room? And what do you do with a double positive cat with both FIV AND FELV? Most FIV+ cats are likely to catch the FELV if put in with FELV+ cats, BUT it's rare for a FELV+ to catch FIV from a FIV+ cat. So... Make a separate room for FIV and FELV, then if you have a double positive, put that cat in the FELV room. This way, you are keeping the FIV+ cats as FIV+ only, since they are the most likely to stay healthy long term, and also the more adoptable of the two. OR, you can just mix em all together and hope for the best, but then you can't make guarantees on adoption contracts either, unless you plan to retest the DAY the cat gets adopted, so you can be sure the cat is still negative before it goes through the door, since it's been in contact with positive cats. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
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MC, why do the western blot at all? The DNA test is a sure thing the way I see it, the DNA test has made the western blot obsolete. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
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At 03:54 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote: Personally I would not mix the Felv and FIV as you do not the FIV to end up with FELV, my felv are in their own area , but I know it is hard to transmit, but they can easily catch something else that would not be serious to a healthy cat but could be deadly to a FELV cat, My FIV cat I do mix, kelly Oh and missed the what would I do part of that. In the case of FIV positive, I advertise the cat for adoption as FIV+ and provide educational links and brochures for people so they can learn about FIV and know that it's OK to have a FIV+ cat with other negative cats. These usually take about 6 months to a year to place. In the case of FELV, the same as above, except I advise that although FELV is not easily transmitted, it can be passed on to other cats in the household. I tell people that the cat deserves a home just like any other cat, and would be perfect for a home without other cats, or with other FELV+ cats, and if I have more than one in rescue, I offer a very reduced adoption fee for a PAIR of FELV+ cats. Usually, sadly, these cats do not find homes. At that point it's a personal choice, do YOU want to create a FELV+ sanctuary room at your rescue, or do you want to euthanise? Now, when it comes to deciding on sanctuary rooms, here's the tricky part. Do you make ONE room and mix FIV+ and FELV+ both in it, or do you make a FELV+ room, and a FIV+ room? And what do you do with a double positive cat with both FIV AND FELV? Most FIV+ cats are likely to catch the FELV if put in with FELV+ cats, BUT it's rare for a FELV+ to catch FIV from a FIV+ cat. So... Make a separate room for FIV and FELV, then if you have a double positive, put that cat in the FELV room. This way, you are keeping the FIV+ cats as FIV+ only, since they are the most likely to stay healthy long term, and also the more adoptable of the two. OR, you can just mix em all together and hope for the best, but then you can't make guarantees on adoption contracts either, unless you plan to retest the DAY the cat gets adopted, so you can be sure the cat is still negative before it goes through the door, since it's been in contact with positive cats. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
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No, my logic behind the 1 month is, it's better than one week, and usually as long as most rescues are willing to wait to put a healthy "negative" cat up for adoption. If I'd said 120 days like you did (for a retest to assure a neg result) she probably would have been like "120 Days? I have to hold on to every cat I take in for 120 days?!" LOL! I find most rescue prefer a high turn-over rate, esp for healthy cats that appear to be perfectly ready to go up for adoption right away, it seems a little severe to make them sit in a cage in the non-adoptable section for 3 months JUST waiting for another blood test to confirm a negative result), when they could be up for adoption or even in a new home in that time frame. Most places don't retest at all to confirm negative ELISA snap tests, they just call em negative and send them up to the adoption center. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
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I'm also saving the cat another blood draw at a later date by retesting for the FIV and the FELV at the same time. (which translates into saving the rescue $ too) Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
i go for separate rooms for FIVs and FeLVs, with FIV/FeLVs mixed with the FeLVs, unless all the FIVs were vaccinated against FeLV. even then, for public relations reasons, i'd probably keep them separate. yes, while many people think you shouldn't vaccinate FIV cats, there's no research showing they have any higher incidence of vaccination-related problems than any other cat, and in a multi-cat environment where newcomers always carry the risk of bringing in distemper, you really REALLY have to weigh the pros and cons of vaccination. distemper is a really nasty, mean death, and i wouldn't want to expose ANY cat to it--i vaccinate on legs instead of in the scruff, and use the vaccines least known to cause problems. i don't think there's any realresearch showing that a healthyFIV cat is any more likely to catch FeLV than a healthy non-FIV one. FIVs are actually generally VERY healthy, except for the higher incidence of problems with herpes and stomatitis. i know of a number of FIVs who tested positive initially for FeLV, were moved into FeLV environments, then tested negative later on at the same rate that the false positives did On 11/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh and missed the what would I do part of that. In the case of FIV positive, I advertise the cat for adoption as FIV+ and provide educational links and brochures for people so they can learn about FIV and know that it's OK to have a FIV+ cat with other negative cats. These usually take about 6 months to a year to place. In the case of FELV, the same as above, except I advise that although FELV is not easily transmitted, it can be passed on to other cats in the household. I tell people that the cat deserves a home just like any other cat, and would be perfect for a home without other cats, or with other FELV+ cats, and if I have more than one in rescue, I offer a very reduced adoption fee for a PAIR of FELV+ cats.Usually, sadly, these cats do not find homes. At that point it's a personal choice, do YOU want to create a FELV+ sanctuary room at your rescue, or do you want to euthanise? Now, when it comes to deciding on sanctuary rooms, here's the tricky part. Do you make ONE room and mix FIV+ and FELV+ both in it, or do you make a FELV+ room, and a FIV+ room? And what do you do with a double positive cat with both FIV AND FELV? Most FIV+ cats are likely to catch the FELV if put in with FELV+ cats, BUT it's rare for a FELV+ to catch FIV from a FIV+ cat. So... Make a separate room for FIV and FELV, then if you have a double positive, put that cat in the FELV room. This way, you are keeping the FIV+ cats as FIV+ only, since they are the most likely to stay healthy long term, and also the more adoptable of the two. OR, you can just mix em all together and hope for the best, but then you can't make guarantees on adoption contracts either, unless you plan to retest the DAY the cat gets adopted, so you can be sure the cat is still negative before it goes through the door, since it's been in contact with positive cats. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.htmlNo virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
well, as long as it's free, which it may NOT remain, i guess the DNA test would be enough. i'll have to sit down and read UC Davis' research, tho, and get some feedback from the vets i've sent the info to before i take the validity and reliability of their DNA results as gospel. there have been other places that have said that their DNA testing was valid and reproducible, where it turned out not to be--it SHOULD be, but the problem til now was that it was very tricky, and different labs were getting different results using the same samples and same protocols. additionally, while i tend to trust UC Davis more than commercial labs, don't forget there are labs out there that SWEAR that they alone can diagnose FIP from living cats my verdict is still out plus, i guess i'm used to talking with people who don't know about the DNA testing--hell, too many vets and rescues don't even know about the western blot, and that's a well-established testing procedure for some vets, it's gonna be a lot easier to send a sample to the lab they regularly use than to learn new procedures for the UC tests--ie, they will prefer to do a western blot in the first place. On 11/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MC, why do the western blot at all? The DNA test is a sure thing the way I see it, the DNA test has made the western blot obsolete. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.htmlNo virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
One of the vet sites does specifically mention that "Young cats and kittens under one year of age, and cats with compromised immune systems are more susceptible to FELV." FIV is "immunodefiency syndrome" thus plopping them right directly into that "compromised immune system" category that's more susceptible to FELV. Mind you, even the vet sites are often full of shit as far as having solid research to back up their statements and policy. (I think this was the Cornell site) Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
True. But then there's you and me woman, we must educate the world! (say the educate the world part in cartoon super-hero voice, while pumping fist into the air andsticking out chest) I wish I wasn't broke and out of ink in my printer. I would print off that webpage about the DNA FIVtesting and hand deliver a copy to every vet in a 30 mile radius. Until we get out and really MAKE the vets learn, then nothing's every going to improve. It's up to us, as cat owners to MAKE SURE the info gets to the vets in each of our communities. Trust me, I've hand delivered many a new veterinary technology flyer to my vets, they so far have not appeared insulted in the least! In fact, when I sent that out to the list the first time, I CC'd a copy to my vet's office. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
At 04:25 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote: Yup..It is what we do regularly isn't it. I also ask for their private email addresses and send stuff on that way. Kelly True. But then there's you and me woman, we must educate the world! (say the educate the world part in cartoon super-hero voice, while pumping fist into the air and sticking out chest) I wish I wasn't broke and out of ink in my printer. I would print off that webpage about the DNA FIV testing and hand deliver a copy to every vet in a 30 mile radius. Until we get out and really MAKE the vets learn, then nothing's every going to improve. It's up to us, as cat owners to MAKE SURE the info gets to the vets in each of our communities. Trust me, I've hand delivered many a new veterinary technology flyer to my vets, they so far have not appeared insulted in the least! In fact, when I sent that out to the list the first time, I CC'd a copy to my vet's office. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
At 04:25 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote: I printed out the information regarding Alferon to several vets who are now passing it on to theri cliets, True. But then there's you and me woman, we must educate the world! (say the educate the world part in cartoon super-hero voice, while pumping fist into the air and sticking out chest) I wish I wasn't broke and out of ink in my printer. I would print off that webpage about the DNA FIV testing and hand deliver a copy to every vet in a 30 mile radius. Until we get out and really MAKE the vets learn, then nothing's every going to improve. It's up to us, as cat owners to MAKE SURE the info gets to the vets in each of our communities. Trust me, I've hand delivered many a new veterinary technology flyer to my vets, they so far have not appeared insulted in the least! In fact, when I sent that out to the list the first time, I CC'd a copy to my vet's office. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
oh, well, yeah, i'm talking about healthy adults--i wouldn't put kittens or elders with ANY special-needs groups. the issue is how immune compromised FIVs truly are remember, FIV is a NAME, just as FIP is--and was given that nameduring the heyday of the HIV/AIDS panic, when not that much was even known about the human condition. so just cuz it's CALLED immunodeficiency syndrome, doesn't mean that's actually an accurate characterization. considering that most FIVs die WITH the virus, rather than from it, often at ages 15 and up, one has to wonder how they're defining compromised when the only group of cats in a 400+ environment who did NOT get distemper were the 100 or so FIVs, well, one has to wonder On 11/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the vet sites does specifically mention that Young cats and kittens under one year of age, and cats with compromised immune systems are more susceptible to FELV. FIV is immunodefiency syndrome thus plopping them right directly into that compromised immune system category that's more susceptible to FELV. Mind you, even the vet sites are often full of shit as far as having solid research to back up their statements and policy. (I think this was the Cornell site) Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.htmlNo virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
Oh, so very true, and that had not occurred to me! They even say on one of the FIP webpages that FIP has absolutely nothing to do withinfection of the peritonealtissue, that the name came from the first stages of research when they were unsure of it's exact pathology. So, yeah, it's possible that FIV has absolutely nothing to do with having a compromised immune system, I suppose! Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
At 04:35 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote: My FIV cat is not the concern my FELV cat is, With a shelter there is a liability issue also, Remember the public is not as informed either. Kelly oh, well, yeah, i'm talking about healthy adults--i wouldn't put kittens or elders with ANY special-needs groups. the issue is how immune compromised FIVs truly are remember, FIV is a NAME, just as FIP is--and was given that name during the heyday of the HIV/AIDS panic, when not that much was even known about the human condition. so just cuz it's CALLED immunodeficiency syndrome, doesn't mean that's actually an accurate characterization. considering that most FIVs die WITH the virus, rather than from it, often at ages 15 and up, one has to wonder how they're defining compromised when the only group of cats in a 400+ environment who did NOT get distemper were the 100 or so FIVs, well, one has to wonder On 11/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the vet sites does specifically mention that Young cats and kittens under one year of age, and cats with compromised immune systems are more susceptible to FELV. FIV is immunodefiency syndrome thus plopping them right directly into that compromised immune system category that's more susceptible to FELV. Mind you, even the vet sites are often full of shit as far as having solid research to back up their statements and policy. (I think this was the Cornell site) Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
FIV is classified as a retro-virus, so i'm not saying there's no consequences, or that some FIVs don't have major problems. it just seems that those that do develop consistently are fairly treatable--the mouth problems from herpes, for example--and that if major medical problems are to occur, they occur so late in the progression of the disease that the cat is quite elderly (if not already dead). i think there are a number of human diseases that affect the immune system that are not consistently problematic or severe. (lupus comes to mind--in its worst forms, it's a horrid disease, but there's a lot of folks with milder forms who don't have a tremendous amount of trouble with it. immune compromised has come to mean, in all creatures, dying of AIDS, and leaves no room for a continuum of symptoms or conditions who ever heard much of immune-system problems before HIV/AIDS? but you can be sure that humans have had them a lot longer than that! but we don't hear about the mild cases of things, because they're not inspiring, or heart-wrenching enough life in the media age. On 11/12/06, kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:35 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote:My FIV cat is not the concern my FELV cat is, With a shelter there is a liability issue also, Remember the public is not as informed either.Kelly oh, well, yeah, i'm talking about healthy adults--i wouldn't put kittens or elders with ANY special-needs groups.the issue is how immune compromised FIVs truly are remember, FIV is a NAME, just as FIP is--and was given that name during the heyday of the HIV/AIDS panic, when not that much was even known about the human condition. so just cuz it's CALLED immunodeficiency syndrome, doesn't mean that's actually an accurate characterization. considering that most FIVs die WITH the virus, rather than from it, often at ages 15 and up, one has to wonder how they're defining compromised when the only group of cats in a 400+ environment who did NOT get distemper were the 100 or so FIVs, well, one has to wonderOn 11/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the vet sites does specifically mention that Young cats and kittens under one year of age, and cats with compromised immune systems are more susceptible to FELV. FIV is immunodefiency syndrome thus plopping them right directly into that compromised immune system category that's more susceptible to FELV. Mind you, even the vet sites are often full of shit as far as having solid research to back up their statements and policy. (I think this was the Cornell site) Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
As a child that spent most of her childhood in and out of hospitals, you can be sure Iknew whatimmune compromised meant before I could read. :) Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
well, yes, but you are NOT a normal, run-of-the-mill human! (in more ways than i can count! :::fleaing) On 11/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a child that spent most of her childhood in and out of hospitals, you can be sure Iknew whatimmune compromised meant before I could read. :) Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.htmlNo virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
