RE: OT: killing ferals
My gosh Hideyo, you are a savior, your neighborhood is so lucky to have you. CherieHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thank you, Nina. I know I can be too paranoid, too.There this stray boy kitty that I feed in the area, got really nastyabuses all infected and flies were all over the scar - so me and myneighbor (a different neighbor) caught in using a fish net - and put himin the cage so that we can care for him - And my neighbor, Susan just emailed to say that her friend's wife isinterested in adopting him - and I sort of talked her out of it -mainly, because he sprays, and I did not want this person to let him gooutside to a new strange area because he sprays in the house and shedoes not want him anymore - and partly, because he has been around inthe area for a long time, and he might try to get back home, and don'twant him to get lost or get in a car accident - Some things are better untouched - this is a hard lesson I learned frombeing the rescue - but you just never know which is better - touched oruntouched - -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:42 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: killing feralsI just want to say that I'm sorry I included Tonya's name in this thread. I know that Tonya is a loving caring fur mom, this just happens to be one of those subjects that gets my fur up. I don't have the answers either, I wish I did. I just know that I love my ferals as much as the cats living in my house. The thought of anyone rounding them up to be killed sets my soul on fire! I feel the same way about any "pest" humans feel compelled to eradicate. Don't even get me started on the plight of wolves!Hideyo,I'm sorry about what happened with your neighbor and her colony. I'm praying that you are able to rescue Squeekie, and that Snoodle will miraculously show up to feed at your house. So many good intentioned people are just not committed to doing whatever is necessary to help these guys make the transition to a new home. Sometimes even those of uswho are, can't always figure out how to help. I work with rescue groups in my area and they have been an enormous help in many ways, but I have yet to adopt out any cat in my care through them. I guess I just can't give up the illusion of control. I say "illusion", because as hard as itis to face, we aren't in control at all. All we can do, is the best we can do. And you know as well as I, some ferals will never acclimate to living in a house. I wish the woman had contacted you so you could have come up with a better solution than just dumping poor Squeekie out on her own like that.Please don't beat yourself up for helping someone else take responsibility for these cats. I know how frustrating and disheartning it can be when people won't/don't take advise that you've learned through hard knocks might help them. People pay me to help train their dogs, and still don't follow my advise sometimes! You are already overwhelmed. For the sake of the cats already in your care, your sanity and limited resources, you have to allow others to help in whatever way,or extent they are capable of. As Tamara has already said, there just aren't enough of us to go around.Much love,NinaHideyo Yamamoto wrote:> I have to definitely agree with Nina.>> We, humans are the most powerful creature on earth, and can be the > most egotistical and arrogant one, too by abusing the power we have > over smaller (physically) creatures. In my mind, our lives are not any> more important than any other creatures on earth. We have no right to > end any creature's life before their time come - we are supposed to > protect lives of creatures who need us - but not to kill it.>> I have a neighbor who eventually became a friend overtime as we > happened to have the same interest - which is to rescue feral cats. > She moved from one side of town to the other about 9 months ago and I > eventually helped her move all of her feral cats she used to feed at > her old house to her new home. Before I agreed to help her, I did warn> her that she was about to change their lives, and they may not be > necessary asking for the change or may not wanting the change > (regardless of her good intensions), but as long as she does so > (regardless that's what they want or not), I would like her to make > sure that she has a responsibility to take care of their lives for the> rest of their lives. And she said, yes, and so, I helped her move all > the cats and helped them get socialized ->> She did not do everything as I had asked her to do, and she lost one > of 10 cats in two days - I had asked her to keep these cats in a cage > for at least week so that they can feel safe in their sanctuary and > can get used to smell of the new house and feel secure again. But she > got stressed out by one of the cats who was making a noise and she > opened the cage and let the cat go outside - of course, the cat > (Snoodle) had n
RE: OT: killing ferals
Thank you, Nina. I know I can be too paranoid, too. There this stray boy kitty that I feed in the area, got really nasty abuses all infected and flies were all over the scar - so me and my neighbor (a different neighbor) caught in using a fish net - and put him in the cage so that we can care for him - And my neighbor, Susan just emailed to say that her friend's wife is interested in adopting him - and I sort of talked her out of it - mainly, because he sprays, and I did not want this person to let him go outside to a new strange area because he sprays in the house and she does not want him anymore - and partly, because he has been around in the area for a long time, and he might try to get back home, and don't want him to get lost or get in a car accident - Some things are better untouched - this is a hard lesson I learned from being the rescue - but you just never know which is better - touched or untouched - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: killing ferals I just want to say that I'm sorry I included Tonya's name in this thread. I know that Tonya is a loving caring fur mom, this just happens to be one of those subjects that gets my fur up. I don't have the answers either, I wish I did. I just know that I love my ferals as much as the cats living in my house. The thought of anyone rounding them up to be killed sets my soul on fire! I feel the same way about any "pest" humans feel compelled to eradicate. Don't even get me started on the plight of wolves! Hideyo, I'm sorry about what happened with your neighbor and her colony. I'm praying that you are able to rescue Squeekie, and that Snoodle will miraculously show up to feed at your house. So many good intentioned people are just not committed to doing whatever is necessary to help these guys make the transition to a new home. Sometimes even those of us who are, can't always figure out how to help. I work with rescue groups in my area and they have been an enormous help in many ways, but I have yet to adopt out any cat in my care through them. I guess I just can't give up the illusion of control. I say "illusion", because as hard as it is to face, we aren't in control at all. All we can do, is the best we can do. And you know as well as I, some ferals will never acclimate to living in a house. I wish the woman had contacted you so you could have come up with a better solution than just dumping poor Squeekie out on her own like that. Please don't beat yourself up for helping someone else take responsibility for these cats. I know how frustrating and disheartning it can be when people won't/don't take advise that you've learned through hard knocks might help them. People pay me to help train their dogs, and still don't follow my advise sometimes! You are already overwhelmed. For the sake of the cats already in your care, your sanity and limited resources, you have to allow others to help in whatever way, or extent they are capable of. As Tamara has already said, there just aren't enough of us to go around. Much love, Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: > I have to definitely agree with Nina. > > We, humans are the most powerful creature on earth, and can be the > most egotistical and arrogant one, too by abusing the power we have > over smaller (physically) creatures. In my mind, our lives are not any > more important than any other creatures on earth. We have no right to > end any creature's life before their time come - we are supposed to > protect lives of creatures who need us - but not to kill it. > > I have a neighbor who eventually became a friend overtime as we > happened to have the same interest - which is to rescue feral cats. > She moved from one side of town to the other about 9 months ago and I > eventually helped her move all of her feral cats she used to feed at > her old house to her new home. Before I agreed to help her, I did warn > her that she was about to change their lives, and they may not be > necessary asking for the change or may not wanting the change > (regardless of her good intensions), but as long as she does so > (regardless that's what they want or not), I would like her to make > sure that she has a responsibility to take care of their lives for the > rest of their lives. And she said, yes, and so, I helped her move all > the cats and helped them get socialized - > > She did not do everything as I had asked her to do, and she lost one > of 10 cats in two days - I had asked her to keep these cats in a cage > for at least week so that they can feel safe in their sanctuary and > can get used to smell of the new house and feel secure again.
Re: OT: killing ferals
I just want to say that I'm sorry I included Tonya's name in this thread. I know that Tonya is a loving caring fur mom, this just happens to be one of those subjects that gets my fur up. I don't have the answers either, I wish I did. I just know that I love my ferals as much as the cats living in my house. The thought of anyone rounding them up to be killed sets my soul on fire! I feel the same way about any "pest" humans feel compelled to eradicate. Don't even get me started on the plight of wolves! Hideyo, I'm sorry about what happened with your neighbor and her colony. I'm praying that you are able to rescue Squeekie, and that Snoodle will miraculously show up to feed at your house. So many good intentioned people are just not committed to doing whatever is necessary to help these guys make the transition to a new home. Sometimes even those of us who are, can't always figure out how to help. I work with rescue groups in my area and they have been an enormous help in many ways, but I have yet to adopt out any cat in my care through them. I guess I just can't give up the illusion of control. I say "illusion", because as hard as it is to face, we aren't in control at all. All we can do, is the best we can do. And you know as well as I, some ferals will never acclimate to living in a house. I wish the woman had contacted you so you could have come up with a better solution than just dumping poor Squeekie out on her own like that. Please don't beat yourself up for helping someone else take responsibility for these cats. I know how frustrating and disheartning it can be when people won't/don't take advise that you've learned through hard knocks might help them. People pay me to help train their dogs, and still don't follow my advise sometimes! You are already overwhelmed. For the sake of the cats already in your care, your sanity and limited resources, you have to allow others to help in whatever way, or extent they are capable of. As Tamara has already said, there just aren't enough of us to go around. Much love, Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I have to definitely agree with Nina. We, humans are the most powerful creature on earth, and can be the most egotistical and arrogant one, too by abusing the power we have over smaller (physically) creatures. In my mind, our lives are not any more important than any other creatures on earth. We have no right to end any creature’s life before their time come – we are supposed to protect lives of creatures who need us – but not to kill it. I have a neighbor who eventually became a friend overtime as we happened to have the same interest – which is to rescue feral cats. She moved from one side of town to the other about 9 months ago and I eventually helped her move all of her feral cats she used to feed at her old house to her new home. Before I agreed to help her, I did warn her that she was about to change their lives, and they may not be necessary asking for the change or may not wanting the change (regardless of her good intensions), but as long as she does so (regardless that’s what they want or not), I would like her to make sure that she has a responsibility to take care of their lives for the rest of their lives. And she said, yes, and so, I helped her move all the cats and helped them get socialized – She did not do everything as I had asked her to do, and she lost one of 10 cats in two days – I had asked her to keep these cats in a cage for at least week so that they can feel safe in their sanctuary and can get used to smell of the new house and feel secure again. But she got stressed out by one of the cats who was making a noise and she opened the cage and let the cat go outside – of course, the cat (Snoodle) had no idea where she was and never came back or seen. I put the flyers all over the neighborhood and tried to find her (the owner was not willing to spend the time on doing so), but never did. At this I regretted that I helped her out for the first time. Fortunately the rest of the cats got adjusted ok to new life – but I just found out that she took one of the cats, Squeekie (who was a sibling cat of the cat who ran away) back to where she was 9 month ago – she got tired of her peeing in the house (which was because she never trained her to use the litter box as I asked her to) – and she forced to the corner in the bathroom and grabbed her (as she is still a feral cats), forced her to the carrier and dumped where she was 9 month ago, which she no longer recognize or remember – as the owner had closed down the crawl space that she used to live in 9 month ago any more. I got so upset – this is considered to a suicide warrant in the rescue business – the environment is not a same for her anymore, there are new cats she never met, and new people, and she is so scared – so right now I am in the process of trying to find her and trap her back so that I can give her a home again. I guess, w
