Re: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test --- plus questions aboutSpaying ... Hideyo

2006-11-09 Thread Sally Davis

Hi Gina

I am going out on a limb with this answer, but generally a cat will not go 
into heat at this time of year bc the kittens would be born in the winter. 
I have safely waited until January no later than early February to spay 
kittens that were born the previous spring. They did not go into heat 
before the spaying. If you are concerned though I would schedule her 
appointment at your earliest convenience.


Hope this helps...sally

At 11:10 AM 11/9/2006 -0800, you wrote:

I just read the article!  Now I am concerned that I waited too long to 
have her spayed.  She will be 7 months on November 25th and I assume she 
could go into heat at any time :(


Gina


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 OMG I have to DISAGREE. read this months cat fancy spay before the 
first heat reduces the risk of some cancers by 91 %  Some 
studies also show the heat is more stressful than the spay
Inderstand if you lose one its harder but I am over 1000 now and only lost 
one in all this time



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test --- plus questions 
aboutSpaying ... Hideyo


I would wait at least 9 or 10 months of after --- even to a year 
ideally  – again I am very conservatives when coming to these things, so 
others may think I worry too much. But losing my suzi to spaying surgery, 
and knowing the fact that spaying/neutering could trigger certain 
underlying illness, I wanted to make sure that their immune system are as 
matured as it can be..


There is really nothing so bad to their body if they go on heat once – 
it will last a couple of weeks, but then it does not do any damage to 
their body.. the stress they go through heat cycle is much much less than 
stress go through form the surgery..


--
I would personally recommend that you wait to spay her for a little longer 
– I don’t know how long she is.. but unless it’s absolutely critical 
she does (i.e. she is pregnant already), I really need to ask you to wait 
for a several different reasons.. especially, now she is tested negative 
for the test.  – and if you still go ahead and do it, please let me 
know, I have some tips to give it to you so the stress is reduced..


Pippin tested negative on her IFA test for FeLV and FIV.  We waited 22 
weeks between the first test (ELISA) test and the IFA.  The vet says she 
feels confident in the results for several reasons: because Pippin was 7 
weeks old when she had her first test and she was a faint positive on the 
ELISA at that time, and because we waited for 5 months to retest her.  I 
asked if there was a chance it had gone to the bone marrow and she felt 
that it was very unlikely.  Should we be celebrating?! :)


At any rate, the next step is for Pippin to be spayed.  She will be 
getting the pre-lab work done, fluids during the spay and pain 
medication.  Is there anything else I should ask for?  I recall something 
about a certain anesthetic that is preferable.  What is the name of it?


After the spay what can I do to make her more comfortable?  She tends to 
be hyper-active (as kittens are! lol) so I was thinking of having her stay 
in our room for the first day or so, so she won't run around the house in 
her usual 120 mph fashion.  Or would it be better for her to stay in her 
crate?


Any suggestions would be appreciated :)

Thank you!
Gina


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RE: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test --- plus questions aboutSpaying ... Hideyo

2006-11-09 Thread cindy reasoner
I wonder if when I had Smokey neutered that could of
triggered his feline leukemia.  I don't know right off
but it seems like it was about a month after his
surgery he began running his fevers.  We didn't know
he was positive at that time because his first test
came back negative.  Gina I am so happy for you and
Pippin that his test was negative.

Cindy Reasoner

--- Hideyo Yamamoto
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would wait at least 9 or 10 months of after ---
> even to a year ideally
> - again I am very conservatives when coming to these
> things, so others
> may think I worry too much. But losing my suzi to
> spaying surgery, and
> knowing the fact that spaying/neutering could
> trigger certain underlying
> illness, I wanted to make sure that their immune
> system are as matured
> as it can be..
> 
>  
> 
> There is really nothing so bad to their body if they
> go on heat once -
> it will last a couple of weeks, but then it does not
> do any damage to
> their body.. the stress they go through heat cycle
> is much much less
> than stress go through form the surgery..
> 
>  
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Gina WN
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:43 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: RE: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test
> --- plus questions
> aboutSpaying ... Hideyo
> 
>  
> 
> Hi Hideyo,
> 
>  
> 
> How old do you think Pippin should be before I get
> her spayed?  She will
> be 7 months old on the 25th of this month.  I don't
> want to rush her,
> but I didn't know if I should do it before she
> starts going into heat?
> Your advice is very much appreciated :)
> 
>  
> 
> Gina
> 
> 
> 
> Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
>   I would personally recommend that you wait to spay
> her for a
> little longer - I don't know how long she is.. but
> unless it's
> absolutely critical she does (i.e. she is pregnant
> already), I really
> need to ask you to wait for a several different
> reasons.. especially,
> now she is tested negative for the test.  - and if
> you still go ahead
> and do it, please let me know, I have some tips to
> give it to you so the
> stress is reduced..
> 
>
> 
>   
>   _  
> 
> 
>   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Gina WN
>   Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:05 AM
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>   Subject: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test ---
> plus
> questions aboutSpaying
> 
>
> 
>   Pippin tested negative on her IFA test for FeLV and
> FIV.  We
> waited 22 weeks between the first test (ELISA) test
> and the IFA.  The
> vet says she feels confident in the results for
> several reasons: because
> Pippin was 7 weeks old when she had her first test
> and she was a faint
> positive on the ELISA at that time, and because we
> waited for 5 months
> to retest her.  I asked if there was a chance it had
> gone to the bone
> marrow and she felt that it was very unlikely. 
> Should we be
> celebrating?! :)
> 
>
> 
>   At any rate, the next step is for Pippin to be
> spayed.  She will
> be getting the pre-lab work done, fluids during the
> spay and pain
> medication.  Is there anything else I should ask
> for?  I recall
> something about a certain anesthetic that is
> preferable.  What is the
> name of it?
> 
>
> 
>   After the spay what can I do to make her more
> comfortable?  She
> tends to be hyper-active (as kittens are! lol) so I
> was thinking of
> having her stay in our room for the first day or so,
> so she won't run
> around the house in her usual 120 mph fashion.  Or
> would it be better
> for her to stay in her crate?
> 
>
> 
>   Any suggestions would be appreciated :)
> 
>
> 
>   Thank you!
> 
>   Gina
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Re: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test --- plus questions aboutSpaying ... Hideyo

2006-11-09 Thread Gina WN
I just read the article!  Now I am concerned that I waited too long to have her spayed.  She will be 7 months on November 25th and I assume she could go into heat at any time :(     Gina  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OMG I have to DISAGREE. read this months cat fancy spay before the first heat reduces the risk of some cancers by 91 %  Some studies also show the heat is more stressful than the spay  Inderstand if you lose one its harder but I am over 1000 now and only lost one in all this time    -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:47 PMSubject: RE: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test --- plus questions aboutSpaying
 ... Hideyo  I would wait at least 9 or 10 months of after --- even to a year ideally  â€“ again I am very conservatives when coming to these things, so others may think I worry too much. But losing my suzi to spaying surgery, and knowing the fact that spaying/neutering could trigger certain underlying illness, I wanted to make sure that their immune system are as matured as it can
 be..     There is really nothing so bad to their body if they go on heat once – it will last a couple of weeks, but then it does not do any damage to their body.. the stress they go through heat cycle is much much less than stress go through form the surgery..     From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gina WNSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:43 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test --- plus questions aboutSpaying ... Hideyo   Hi Hideyo, How old do you think Pippin should be before I get her spayed?  She will be 7 months old on the 25th of this month.  I don't want to rush her, but I didn't know if I should do it before she starts going into heat?  Your advice is very much appreciated :) GinaHideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I would personally recommend that you wait to spay her for a little longer – I don’t know how long she is.. but unless it’s absolutely critical she does (i.e. she is pregnant already), I really need to ask you to wait for a several different reasons.. especially, now she is tested negative for the test.  – and if you still go ahead and do it, please let me know, I have some tips to give it to you so the stress is reduced.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gina WNSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:05 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test --- plus questions aboutSpaying   Pippin tested negative on her IFA test for FeLV and FIV.  We waited 22 weeks between the first test (ELISA) test and the IFA.  The vet says she feels confident in the results for several reasons: because Pippin was 7 weeks old when she had her first test and she was a faint positive on the ELISA at that time, and because we waited for 5 months to retest her.  I asked if there was a chance it had gone to the bone marrow and she felt that it was very unlikely.  Should we be celebrating?! :)     At any rate, the next step is for Pippin to be spayed.  She will be getting the pre-lab work done, fluids during the spay and pain medication.  Is there anything else I should ask for?  I recall something about a certain anesthetic that is preferable.  What is the name of it?     After the spay what can I do to make her more comfortable?  She tends to be hyper-active (as kittens are! lol) so I was thinking of having her stay in our room for the first day or so, so she won't run around the house in her usual 120 mph fashion.  Or would it be better for her to stay in her crate?     Any suggestions would be appreciated :)     Thank you!  Gina         Visit my Tigger Tales site!       See my cats' gallery at
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RE: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test --- plus questions aboutSpaying ... Hideyo

2006-11-09 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto








Again, I don’t expect everyone to agree
with me – I have done the same thing to all my cats and none of my cats has
ever cancer --- I don’t want to talk about it in terms of  statistics – because
my cats are not just numbers – there was 1/500,000 chance that cats die from
reaction from the anesthesia.. statistically, the risk is very small… you would
never think that it would happen to your cat and neither did I until it
happened.. but when it happens to you cat,, statistics does not mean anything….
Again, I am very conservative.. I just lost 4 cats to certain illness – so I
never underestimated the stress induced illness..

 

More likely than the cat, your kitty is
going to be just fine right after the surgery,, what I am concerned about more
is about long term stress induced illness – the incidence of FIP happens more
often after spaying/neutering surgery… I have seen the posts more than a few
times, that someone lost their Felk kitties a couple of months after the
spaying/neutering surgery --- statistically, the risk is low.. but I don’t rely
statistics –

 

All I am saying is that she just shook the
felk virus off from her body and give the body chance to build her immune
system a bit longer before adding another stress..

 

It’s personally choice, but I felt that I
needed to explain my view --

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
11:56 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Pippin tested
negative on her IFA test --- plus questions aboutSpaying ... Hideyo



 



 OMG I have to DISAGREE. read this months cat fancy spay
before the first heat reduces the risk of some cancers by 91 % 
Some studies also show the heat is more stressful than the spay





Inderstand if you lose one its harder but I am over 1000 now and only
lost one in all this time





 



 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test --- plus questions
aboutSpaying ... Hideyo







I would wait at least 9 or 10 months of
after --- even to a year ideally  – again I am very conservatives when
coming to these things, so others may think I worry too much. But losing my
suzi to spaying surgery, and knowing the fact that spaying/neutering could
trigger certain underlying illness, I wanted to make sure that their immune
system are as matured as it can be..





 





There is really nothing so bad to their
body if they go on heat once – it will last a couple of weeks, but then it does
not do any damage to their body.. the stress they go through heat cycle is much
much less than stress go through form the surgery..





 













From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gina WN
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
11:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Pippin tested
negative on her IFA test --- plus questions aboutSpaying ... Hideyo







 







Hi Hideyo,









 









How old do you think Pippin should be before I get her spayed? 
She will be 7 months old on the 25th of this month.  I don't want to
rush her, but I didn't know if I should do it before she starts going into
heat?  Your advice is very much appreciated :)









 









Gina











Hideyo Yamamoto
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:











I would personally recommend that you wait
to spay her for a little longer – I don’t know how long she is.. but unless
it’s absolutely critical she does (i.e. she is pregnant already), I really need
to ask you to wait for a several different reasons.. especially, now she is
tested negative for the test.  – and if you still go ahead and do it,
please let me know, I have some tips to give it to you so the stress is
reduced..









 

















From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gina WN
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
11:05 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Pippin tested negative on
her IFA test --- plus questions aboutSpaying











 











Pippin tested negative on her IFA test for FeLV and FIV.  We
waited 22 weeks between the first test (ELISA) test and the IFA.  The vet
says she feels confident in the results for several reasons:
because Pippin was 7 weeks old when she had her first test and she was a
faint positive on the ELISA at that time, and because we waited for 5
months to retest her.  I asked if there was a chance it had gone to the
bone marrow and she felt that it was very unlikely.  Should we be
celebrating?! :)













 













At any rate, the next step is for Pippin to be spayed.  She will
be getting the pre-lab work done, fluids during the spay and pain
medication.  Is there anything else I should ask for?  I recall
something about a certain anesthetic that is preferable.  What is the name
of it?













 













After the spay what 

Re: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test --- plus questions aboutSpaying ... Hideyo

2006-11-09 Thread forgetmenotpets

 OMG I have to DISAGREE. read this months cat fancy spay before the first heat reduces the risk of some cancers by 91 %  Some studies also show the heat is more stressful than the spay


Inderstand if you lose one its harder but I am over 1000 now and only lost one in all this time


 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test --- plus questions aboutSpaying ... Hideyo











I would wait at least 9 or 10 months of after --- even to a year ideally  – again I am very conservatives when coming to these things, so others may think I worry too much. But losing my suzi to spaying surgery, and knowing the fact that spaying/neutering could trigger certain underlying illness, I wanted to make sure that their immune system are as matured as it can be..


 


There is really nothing so bad to their body if they go on heat once – it will last a couple of weeks, but then it does not do any damage to their body.. the stress they go through heat cycle is much much less than stress go through form the surgery..


 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gina WN
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test --- plus questions aboutSpaying ... Hideyo



 




Hi Hideyo,





 





How old do you think Pippin should be before I get her spayed?  She will be 7 months old on the 25th of this month.  I don't want to rush her, but I didn't know if I should do it before she starts going into heat?  Your advice is very much appreciated :)





 





Gina







Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:






I would personally recommend that you wait to spay her for a little longer – I don’t know how long she is.. but unless it’s absolutely critical she does (i.e. she is pregnant already), I really need to ask you to wait for a several different reasons.. especially, now she is tested negative for the test.  – and if you still go ahead and do it, please let me know, I have some tips to give it to you so the stress is reduced..





 












From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gina WN
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:05 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test --- plus questions aboutSpaying






 







Pippin tested negative on her IFA test for FeLV and FIV.  We waited 22 weeks between the first test (ELISA) test and the IFA.  The vet says she feels confident in the results for several reasons: because Pippin was 7 weeks old when she had her first test and she was a faint positive on the ELISA at that time, and because we waited for 5 months to retest her.  I asked if there was a chance it had gone to the bone marrow and she felt that it was very unlikely.  Should we be celebrating?! :)








 








At any rate, the next step is for Pippin to be spayed.  She will be getting the pre-lab work done, fluids during the spay and pain medication.  Is there anything else I should ask for?  I recall something about a certain anesthetic that is preferable.  What is the name of it?








 








After the spay what can I do to make her more comfortable?  She tends to be hyper-active (as kittens are! lol) so I was thinking of having her stay in our room for the first day or so, so she won't run around the house in her usual 120 mph fashion.  Or would it be better for her to stay in her crate?








 








Any suggestions would be appreciated :)








 








Thank you!








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RE: Pippin tested negative on her IFA test --- plus questions aboutSpaying ... Hideyo

2006-11-09 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto








I would wait at least 9 or 10 months of
after --- even to a year ideally  – again I am very conservatives when
coming to these things, so others may think I worry too much. But losing my
suzi to spaying surgery, and knowing the fact that spaying/neutering could
trigger certain underlying illness, I wanted to make sure that their immune
system are as matured as it can be..

 

There is really nothing so bad to their
body if they go on heat once – it will last a couple of weeks, but then
it does not do any damage to their body.. the stress they go through heat cycle
is much much less than stress go through form the surgery..

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gina WN
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
11:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Pippin tested
negative on her IFA test --- plus questions aboutSpaying ... Hideyo



 



Hi Hideyo,





 





How old do you think Pippin should be before I get her spayed? 
She will be 7 months old on the 25th of this month.  I don't want to
rush her, but I didn't know if I should do it before she starts going into
heat?  Your advice is very much appreciated :)





 





Gina







Hideyo Yamamoto
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:







I would personally recommend that you wait
to spay her for a little longer – I don’t know how long she is..
but unless it’s absolutely critical she does (i.e. she is pregnant already),
I really need to ask you to wait for a several different reasons.. especially,
now she is tested negative for the test.  – and if you still go
ahead and do it, please let me know, I have some tips to give it to you so the
stress is reduced..





 













From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gina WN
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
11:05 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Pippin tested negative on
her IFA test --- plus questions aboutSpaying







 







Pippin tested negative on her IFA test for FeLV and FIV.  We
waited 22 weeks between the first test (ELISA) test and the IFA.  The vet
says she feels confident in the results for several reasons:
because Pippin was 7 weeks old when she had her first test and she was a
faint positive on the ELISA at that time, and because we waited for 5
months to retest her.  I asked if there was a chance it had gone to the
bone marrow and she felt that it was very unlikely.  Should we be
celebrating?! :)









 









At any rate, the next step is for Pippin to be spayed.  She will
be getting the pre-lab work done, fluids during the spay and pain
medication.  Is there anything else I should ask for?  I recall
something about a certain anesthetic that is preferable.  What is the name
of it?









 









After the spay what can I do to make her more comfortable? 
She tends to be hyper-active (as kittens are! lol) so I was thinking of having
her stay in our room for the first day or so, so she won't run around the house
in her usual 120 mph fashion.  Or would it be better for her to stay
in her crate?









 









Any suggestions would be appreciated :)









 









Thank you!









Gina









 









 







 







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