RE: filmscanners: Nikon LS40ED - first impressions

2001-11-16 Thread Mark Otway

>>   well first of all if you want they have a bug fix version 
>> of Nikon Scan Version 3.1 on their website.. I think the 
>> address is www.nikon-imaging.com

Thanks. I couldn't access that URL for some reason, but found 3.1 at
http://www.nikontechusa.com.

I also notice that on that site it mentions that Nikon Scan 3.1 does not
support Windows XP. However, they also claim that an XP-compatible
version of Nikon Scan is coming out before the end of Nobember (free
download).




Re: filmscanners: Canon 4000 scanner VS Nikon LS4000

2001-11-16 Thread tom

> Nikon LS 4000 are sharp in the middle of the  film area but un sharp out
> against the sides and corner . The example are from  the right side of a
> slide  film.
I have to support Mikel. Recently I was able to scan photos with my FS4000 and
the same negatives/slides were scanned with Nikon. The scans from Nikon are
very smoth (nearly no grain) but also all of them are just blured. If you apply
"despeckle" filter to Canon scan once or even twice you will get the same image
as from Nikon (very small noises but blured).

Regards

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RE: filmscanners: Nikon LS40ED - first impressions

2001-11-16 Thread James Grove

Hi Mark

The URL he gave doesn`t exist. Nikon Scan V3.1 does work with XP
I use it all the time. Nikon Scan V3.1.1 is due soon, that supposedly
fixes various bugs. But Nikon offical line will allows be that it
doesn`t support XP, because if they said it did they would have to
provide techincal assitance to those that use that product.


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Subject: RE: filmscanners: Nikon LS40ED - first impressions


>>   well first of all if you want they have a bug fix version
>> of Nikon Scan Version 3.1 on their website.. I think the 
>> address is www.nikon-imaging.com

Thanks. I couldn't access that URL for some reason, but found 3.1 at
http://www.nikontechusa.com.

I also notice that on that site it mentions that Nikon Scan 3.1 does not
support Windows XP. However, they also claim that an XP-compatible
version of Nikon Scan is coming out before the end of Nobember (free
download).





RE: filmscanners: Canon 4000 scanner VS Nikon LS4000

2001-11-16 Thread Vladislav Jurco

I agree with you Bill absolutely. LS IVED behaves in the same way. I agree
with units you mentioned - which applied to real word mean to "measure" via
the software uneveness of film position in the holder which must not be more
than 12 units and to put focus in the middle. If the number is higher than
app. 12 focus units I have to go with glass. Generally better eveness I get
with stripes than with single frames but that is logical.

My 0,02$

Vlad
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o I have a number of these slides where the Nikon cannot produce
sharp scans across the entire image.

o The NikonScan software lets me place the focus point anywhere on
the image I like, and will give me razor sharp scans at that point.
However other regions of the image will consequently become blurry.

o When you manually set the focus point (by clicking the preview
image where you want the scanner to focus), the scanner will focus at
that point and report a number.  By clicking around you can compare
the various focus numbers.

o Regions that are within 6 focus units of the focus point (the
scanner just gives a number, doesn't say whether this represents
microns, angstroms, or what) will be substantially as sharp as at the
focus point.

o Regions that are 12 units different from the focus point will be
noticeably blurry.


o I have not done as much work with negative strips as I have with
slides. I do see some focus variation across negative images but so
far it doesn't seem as bad as for my most-curved slides.


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Re: filmscanners: ADMIN: Play nice, or else.

2001-11-16 Thread Lloyd O'Daniel

Tony,

I appreciate your effort in maintaining the list, and would hate to see it
go away. It seems to me, however, that how best to store images generated
from filmscanners fully satisfies the "issues arising from the use of"
clause in the charter, and is therefore not off topic. I agree that the
thread degenerated into less practically useful info than I had hoped to
glean from it.

Lloyd


- Original Message -
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Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:31 PM
Subject: filmscanners: ADMIN: Play nice, or else.


> On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:43:37 +1100  Kevin Power
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm with you as it sure does get bitchy at times! If it happened on a
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> > that I run, the offending member/s would get zapped along with their
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> > Kevin.
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> Unortunately the remote admin of this list does not permit such easy
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Re: filmscanners: pixels, printer dots, etc

2001-11-16 Thread Arthur Entlich

Hi Ken,

One thing I've learned long ago is that simple questions rarely create 
simple answers.

The first problem is that of definition of terms.  There are many types 
of printers used with computers, and there are many different types of 
each subclass, each using different methods of achieving their aims.

But, let's just speak about color inkjet printers, since that is what 
most people in this forum probably use.

The strategy is "simple", that being to attempt to reproduce as many 
colors as possible with the least number of inks and complexity.

As you probably know, most inkjet printers used by consumers fall into 
two basic categories.  Ones which use a CMYK inkset, and ones which use 
a CcMmYk set.  Commercial inkjet printer often use other ink sets which 
might include green and orange, or yet other combinations.

Let's take a quick look at how colors are produced with a standard 
inkjet printer. CMYK.

The only "real" ink colors these printers can produce are:

C = cyan
M = magenta
y = yellow
K = black
CM = blue
CY = green
MY = red
CYM = process "black" (more a muddy dark brown usually

Since adding K (Black) to any of the colors, pretty much overprints the 
color, those combinations don't produce any real "colors" to speak of.

Now, not only is the above list pretty limited, but it also is 
indicating only one specific shade of each of those colors.  Not very 
helpful when making a photographic image.

So, here is where a trick of the eye gets involved.  By using a mixture 
of a grouping of different colored dots, the space around them (the 
paper) and in some cases, a variation of dot size, the printer creates 
the illusion, using a dithering pattern of some sort, to trick our eyes 
into seeing a lot of colors.  This is not all that different from how 
offset presses mix printers inks to create magazine images, which can, 
when properly printed, rival photographs themselves.

The type of "matrix" used to create a wide variety of colors via an 
inkjet printer varies with the manufacturer, ink types and color 
densities, and whether the printer overprints or not.  There are some 
basic formulas for determining how many "cells" or dots of ink one needs 
to produce different bit depth interpretations, but frankly, I don't 
find it all that useful.

In the case of an image which is downsampled to some ridiculously low
resolution, the printer is printing a series of "cells" together all 
with similar information to make up the large "pixel" representation.

What is important to understand, however, through all of this is that if 
a printer claims 300 dpi, or 600, or 720, or 1440 or even 2400 or 2880, 
that does not translate to resolution of one color pixel (well unless it 
was a perfectly translatable ink color as shown above (cyan, magenta, 
etc,.))

If you read any printing list about inkjets you will see many 
disagreements as to what the maximum resolution a printer can use as 
source material before it becomes overkill.  Epson, for instance, used 
to recommend 240 dpi or ppi input for their 720 x 720 dpi printers.

Most people will tell you that there 1440 by 720 printers show little 
improvement beyond 340 dpi.  As to if anything more is achieved or 
achievable in their 2880 x 720 dpi printer, is hard to determine.

What you need to know is that all inkjet printers require many less 
individual pixels as input in relationship to their advertised 
resolution at output.  That number usually simply means that is the 
resolution that the printer can address one specific location on the 
paper, but it only means that the printer can deposit one drop of ink at 
that site, not that the printer can produce any specific color at that 
site.  So you don't want to scan at 1440 dpi at full size to deliver a 
file to an Epson 1440 dpi printer, the driver will just toss all that 
extra info, and slow down the processing, require a bigger printer spool 
space, and make for ghastly huge files.

In regard to your question about printer driver resolution, again each 
printer operates differently.  Some produce less, but larger drops of 
ink in lower modes, and therefore may produce a lower number of 
perceived colors, or a coarser look.  I'm not sure a lot of ink is 
saved, but printing time is usually faster.  The truth of the matter of 
  how many drops are needed to produce a specific color, depends upon 
the color one is trying to create.

Art


Ken During wrote:

> Ok, I have I think I simple question, stemming out of my study of
> Wayne Fulton's scanning tips.  Just getting clear, so forgive me if
> it's a stupid question. 
> 
> On page 67 of that book he shows a tiny 32 pixel image scaled to 5
> dpi.  It's printed as a 6.4 inch graphic with pixels that are,
> obviously, 1/5 inch in size.  My question is, what does this say about
> print resolution?  The printer is obviously using a certain number of
> dots to produce one pixel.  Is this number of dots specified simply by
> selecting the print resolu

Re: filmscanners: Air cleaner

2001-11-16 Thread jimhayes

You might want to consider a HEPA air cleaner over an ionizer cleaner. Ozone
created as a byproduct may damage your prints.

Honeywell has an extensive line. The "Target" store chain in US used to
carry a good selection, but you can get them at Best Buy, many other places.

David Lewiston wrote:

> A few days ago I came across a reference to an electronic air cleaner. I
> thought it was in a post to this list, but now I can't find it.
>
> I'd appreciate a pointer to the relevant website.
>
> Thanks & salutations, David L

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Re: filmscanners: Canon 4000 scanner VS Nikon LS4000

2001-11-16 Thread Lawrence Smith

I had the same focus issues with my 8000 although I did not know it at the
time.  When I replaced it with a drum scanner and compared scans (120 film)
from the drum to those from the 8000, I discovered that the nikon scans were
not sharp to the edges.  When viewed by themselves, the nikon scans looked
pretty good but when viewed side by side with howtek scans, the difference
was obvious.  I imagine that the nikon glass holders would have solved that
nicely.  For the money, if you get one that works correctly for you, the
8000's are amazing units...

Lawrence



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RE: filmscanners: ADMIN: Play nice, or else.

2001-11-16 Thread Mark Otway

Tony,

>> Frankly I have had such a lot of trouble with this list 
>> lately, with admin taking up so much time I seldom have 
>> time to read up to date, let alone participate. 250 bounce
>> mails today, and that after I spent >1hr weeding dead 
>> addresses; complaints from list members about 
>> conduct of some participants; inquiries about getting on 
>> or off the list, and so on. Furthermore the hosting renewal 
>> is so expensive that I am beginning to 
>> wonder why I don't just close it. 

Alternatively, you could move the list to a yahoogroups list. I'm on
several lists which use this service (and I moderate two), and it's very
simple and convenient. Bounces are managed automatically, and members
can manage their subscriptions easily and efficiently. There's also a
shared files are which can host up to 20Mb of files, making a useful
place to exchange example images (rather than post them to the list as
attachments).

It'll cost you nothing to host, either. Sure, some ads are placed at the
bottom of the posts that are sent, but there are various utilities in
mail clients which can strip these out. 

I'd seriously consider it, as it could improve the list experience for
everyone here, not least of all you as the Admin!

Mark




Re: filmscanners: Nikon LS40ED - first impressions

2001-11-16 Thread Eric

sorry about that did not remember the website address.. the site also has a
firmware upgrade for the scanner also...

=
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Otway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 12:10 AM
Subject: RE: filmscanners: Nikon LS40ED - first impressions


> >>   well first of all if you want they have a bug fix version
> >> of Nikon Scan Version 3.1 on their website.. I think the
> >> address is www.nikon-imaging.com
>
> Thanks. I couldn't access that URL for some reason, but found 3.1 at
> http://www.nikontechusa.com.
>
> I also notice that on that site it mentions that Nikon Scan 3.1 does not
> support Windows XP. However, they also claim that an XP-compatible
> version of Nikon Scan is coming out before the end of Nobember (free
> download).
>




RE: filmscanners: pixels, printer dots, etc

2001-11-16 Thread Austin Franklin

Thank you for that very informative post.  There is one issue I believe
warrants clarification, IMO.

> So you don't want to scan at 1440 dpi at full size to deliver a
> file to an Epson 1440 dpi printer, the driver will just toss all that
> extra info,

The driver should/does not just "toss" the data, it should use it
intelligently and algorithmically to arrive at the required dither pattern.
If you had a sequence of data 0010 and wanted to cut that data by four,
would you make the result a 0 or a 1?  Well, the way it should do it is take
into consideration surrounding data, and intelligently arrive at the result.
So, though the data set IS reduced in your example, the data is used to
arrive at the resultant dithering, not just tossed out.




Re: filmscanners: Canon 4000 scanner VS Nikon LS4000

2001-11-16 Thread Moreno Polloni

> I had the same focus issues with my 8000 although I did not know it at the
> time.  When I replaced it with a drum scanner and compared scans (120
film)
> from the drum to those from the 8000, I discovered that the nikon scans
were
> not sharp to the edges.  When viewed by themselves, the nikon scans looked
> pretty good but when viewed side by side with howtek scans, the difference
> was obvious.  I imagine that the nikon glass holders would have solved
that
> nicely.  For the money, if you get one that works correctly for you, the
> 8000's are amazing units...

I've had this problem with about 30% of the images I scan with the 8000.
Most of the problem images are unmounted single-frame 120 transparencies.
For these the glass holder does work rather well, with no negative impact on
the images that I can see. The glass holder is rather expensive though, and
really, it's something that should be shipped in the 8000 box.





Re: filmscanners: pixels, printer dots, etc

2001-11-16 Thread Ken Durling

Arthur - 

Thank you very much for a considered explanation.  I'm studying it!


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RE: filmscanners: ADMIN: Play nice, or else.

2001-11-16 Thread Norman Unsworth

Tony,

I would hate to see you close the list. I, for one, have learned a lot from
many of the members and their contributions and want to thank you fro
creating, maintaining and especially contributing to this list.

Having said that, I confess I rarely review posts in detail anymore, with
the exception of posts by a few who I know will be concise, informative and
within the bounds of the list, because there is just so much that is either
off topic, argumentative or so esoteric that it is of little use to me. Some
of these 'discussions' just go on and on forever without even bothering to
correct the topic of the thread, which has long since strayed far from the
original subject, often from the purpose of the list.

I can understand your frustration & time limitations. Unfortunately, I have
to agree with others and say that I think a more severe hand and more
intensive monitoring and control is in order to return this list to
something more generally beneficial.

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Re: filmscanners: Canon 4000 scanner VS Nikon LS4000

2001-11-16 Thread Mikael Risedal

Hello Lawrence
Nice to here from you again.
What kind of drum scanner and price?
Best regards Mikael Risedal



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>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: "filmscanners halftone.co.uk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: filmscanners: Canon 4000 scanner VS Nikon LS4000
>Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:45:19 -0500
>
>I had the same focus issues with my 8000 although I did not know it at the
>time.  When I replaced it with a drum scanner and compared scans (120 film)
>from the drum to those from the 8000, I discovered that the nikon scans 
>were
>not sharp to the edges.  When viewed by themselves, the nikon scans looked
>pretty good but when viewed side by side with howtek scans, the difference
>was obvious.  I imagine that the nikon glass holders would have solved that
>nicely.  For the money, if you get one that works correctly for you, the
>8000's are amazing units...
>
>Lawrence
>
>
>
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filmscanners: SS120 and Silverfast/Vuescan

2001-11-16 Thread Barbara White

I'm a new owner of this scanner and I'm wondering if anyone else has a
problem  with Silverfast and Photoshop! So far version 5.2 and 5.5 will
not run on my Photoshop (6.0) and the tech guy doesn't seem to know why.
Any ideas?

Should I just skip it and go to Vuescan? What are the advantages of Vuescan?

Thanks for any replies.

Barbara
Barbara White/Architectural Photography
http://www.barbarawhitephoto.com



filmscanners: Silverfast Update trouble

2001-11-16 Thread mahimahi

Just paid for my update (LS1000) received the orderconfirmation but my
password was not included. Anyone know if it will come as a seperate
sending. The confirmation page on the site indicates that it will be
supplied with the confirmation.

Kindest Regards

Chris Bangs




Re: filmscanners: Canon 4000 scanner VS Nikon LS4000

2001-11-16 Thread Brian D. Plikaytis

But a number of months ago you claimed success in focusing by selecting a
focus point midway between the center an edge. Are you backing away from
this?

thanks,
Brian
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- Original Message -
From: "Mikael Risedal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Canon 4000 scanner VS Nikon LS4000


> The answer is NO  to your question below Brian.
> Do a test by your self. Take a slide or negative film. Select the auto
focus
> in the middle (NikonScan 3.1 or silverfast) and scan.
> Look at the results.  Choose a new auto focus point the the corner or
side
> of the film and scan.
> You get 2 different results. One are  grain sharp in the middle and
unsharp
> in the corner. The other are sharp in the corner and not  sharp in the
> middle. You can never get equal sharpness over the whole film  with a
Nikon
> scanner. I have done this test with 4 different
> Ls 4000 scanner  -   same results. You get only a overall sharp picture
> from the LS4000 scanner if you put the film in a glass frame. All film
> curves a little bit and the lack of depth of field in LS 4000  produce a
> poor overall resolution . ( Imacon scannner have F-stop 8 ) I belive
LS4000
> lens are wide open.
> This is well known problem by Nikon , but Polaroid and now Canon can
handle
> the problem without any glass mounted film frames.
> In last Photokina  Germany sept 2000 i discussed the problem with Nikon.
> Nothing yet are done to solve the problem
> Best Regards Mikael Risedal
>
>
>
> >From: "Brian D. Plikaytis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: filmscanners: Canon 4000 scanner VS Nikon LS4000
> >Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:49:22 -0500
> >
> >OK Mikael, let me ask a follow-up question. I am a beginner so your
> >knowledge clearly surpasses mine. I've been reading your comments (as
well
> >as others) on this issue for months now. My question is the following:
are
> >you able to reclaim proper sharpness through the judicious use of
> >sharpening
> >techniques in Photoshop. I ask because I purchased a Nikon 4000 scanner a
> >number of months ago and I am able to get much better results from the
> >resultant images out of Photoshop than I was ever able to get through the
> >use of professional photofinisher.
> >
> >thanks,
> >
> >Brian
> >--
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> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Mikael Risedal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 12:01 AM
> >Subject: Re: filmscanners: Canon 4000 scanner VS Nikon LS4000
> >
> >
> > > Hello Brian. The Nikon scanner is not out of focus.
> > > Nikon LS 4000 are sharp in the middle of the  film area but un sharp
out
> > > against the sides and corner . The example are from  the right side of
a
> > > slide  film.
> > >
> > > Next small jpg file are from our test motive . The test motive shows
in
> >the
> > > middle of the jpg file.  This is from the left corner.
> > > I hope that every one can se the difference in resolution and
sharpness.
> > > Look below the text.
> > > Nikon have a big problem with the depth of field. Best results gets
with
> > > glass framed film and  100% film flatness. Low light source and to
open
> > > f-stop lens construction is the main problem. Im a owner of 2 Nikon
> >scanner
> > > LS2000 and LS 4000, they have the same problem.
> > > Best regards
> > > Mikael Risedal
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Brian D. Plikaytis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: Re: filmscanners: Canon 4000 scanner VS Nikon LS4000
> > > >Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:32:53 -0500
> > > >
> > > >Maybe I'm not looking at the images correctly but the _entire_ Nikon
> >4000
> > > >frame looks out of focus. Is this a fair test - to compare an
> >out-of-focus
> > > >Nikon scan to an in-focus Canon scan?
> > > >
> > > >Brian
> > > >--
> > > >respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >- Original Message -
> > > >From: "Mikael Risedal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:29 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: filmscanners: Canon 4000 scanner VS Nikon LS4000
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > To illustrate what I mean with poor Nikon Ls 4000 sharpness, I
have
> > > > > put a attachment with a jpg file. Vuescan as a reference sofware
and
> > > >same
> > > > > settings to the 2 scanners
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >Nikon Ls 4000 can not produce equal  sharpness over the whole
film
> >area
> > > >if
> > > > > >the film are mounted glass less or in a filmstrip. Lack of depth
of
> > > >field.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The test shows that a combination of Can

Re: filmscanners: SS120 and Silverfast/Vuescan

2001-11-16 Thread Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.

Try out Vuescan and see if you like it - trial download is free.

The essential differences are that Vuescan is designed to (and does) capture *all* 
information from the slide or film, and then you adjust color, tone and contrast in 
Photoshop.

Silverfast is designed to do color, tone and contrast adjustment at the scan stage 
such that you (hopefully) will need no more, or perhaps just minimal adjustments in 
Photoshop.

I go the Vuescan route myself - I feel I can adjust better in Photoshop 
post-processing than at the scan stage where I see only the preview, and I am 
confident Vuescan captures every bit of information that I need to do so.

Maris

- Original Message - 
From: "Barbara White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 3:38 PM
Subject: filmscanners: SS120 and Silverfast/Vuescan


| I'm a new owner of this scanner and I'm wondering if anyone else has a
| problem  with Silverfast and Photoshop! So far version 5.2 and 5.5 will
| not run on my Photoshop (6.0) and the tech guy doesn't seem to know why.
| Any ideas?
| 
| Should I just skip it and go to Vuescan? What are the advantages of Vuescan?
| 
| Thanks for any replies.
| 
| Barbara
| Barbara White/Architectural Photography
| http://www.barbarawhitephoto.com




Re: filmscanners: SS120 and Silverfast/Vuescan

2001-11-16 Thread Ian Lyons

Barbara,


you'll need to provide a lot more info than "it don't work!" Lots of folk on
this forum know lots about many things, but none have yet claimed any
expertise at mind reading.



Ian







Re: filmscanners: ADMIN: Play nice, or else.

2001-11-16 Thread Rob Geraghty

"Mark Otway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alternatively, you could move the list to a yahoogroups list.

Which also allow more than one moderator so the work can be shared.

Rob





RE: filmscanners: SS120 and Silverfast/Vuescan

2001-11-16 Thread Hemingway, David J

Barbara,
Might need a little bit of info on the definition of "does not work".
Platform, OS version etc. Also who have you been talking to at Lasersoft?
I will say that as Silverfast is a Photoshop Plugin, Photoshop can sometimes
cause the problem. Rather than chase it is sometimes easier to de-install
both Photoshop and the Silverfast Plugin and reinstall from scratch.
David

 -Original Message-
From:   Barbara White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Friday, November 16, 2001 4:38 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:filmscanners: SS120 and Silverfast/Vuescan

I'm a new owner of this scanner and I'm wondering if anyone else has a
problem  with Silverfast and Photoshop! So far version 5.2 and 5.5 will
not run on my Photoshop (6.0) and the tech guy doesn't seem to know why.
Any ideas?

Should I just skip it and go to Vuescan? What are the advantages of Vuescan?

Thanks for any replies.

Barbara
Barbara White/Architectural Photography
http://www.barbarawhitephoto.com



Re: filmscanners: Canon 4000 scanner VS Nikon LS4000

2001-11-16 Thread Anthony J. Terlecki

I also have just done some tests with my LS4000 and can conclude exactly the
same. Differences in 10 or or focus units shows a definite blur in those
areas.

Some people are mentioning that they use glass and I suppose I must also
do this if I am to get sharp scans - what a pain!

Are there any recommended glass mounts which people are getting good
results with? I really want a mount that will not crop any of the edges of
the image and where the glass itself does not interfere with the quality of
the scan.

Tony

On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 11:19:18AM +0100, Vladislav Jurco wrote:
> I agree with you Bill absolutely. LS IVED behaves in the same way. I agree
> with units you mentioned - which applied to real word mean to "measure" via
> the software uneveness of film position in the holder which must not be more
> than 12 units and to put focus in the middle. If the number is higher than
> app. 12 focus units I have to go with glass. Generally better eveness I get
> with stripes than with single frames but that is logical.
> 
> My 0,02$
> 
> Vlad
> --
> .
> o I have a number of these slides where the Nikon cannot produce
> sharp scans across the entire image.
> 
> o The NikonScan software lets me place the focus point anywhere on
> the image I like, and will give me razor sharp scans at that point.
> However other regions of the image will consequently become blurry.
> 
> o When you manually set the focus point (by clicking the preview
> image where you want the scanner to focus), the scanner will focus at
> that point and report a number.  By clicking around you can compare
> the various focus numbers.
> 
> o Regions that are within 6 focus units of the focus point (the
> scanner just gives a number, doesn't say whether this represents
> microns, angstroms, or what) will be substantially as sharp as at the
> focus point.
> 
> o Regions that are 12 units different from the focus point will be
> noticeably blurry.
> 
> 
> o I have not done as much work with negative strips as I have with
> slides. I do see some focus variation across negative images but so
> far it doesn't seem as bad as for my most-curved slides.
> 
> 
> --Bill
> --