[filmscanners] Re: large scanning project
Laurie, Which one of us should take this issue up with the "powers that be" at MS? After all, this seems to be exactly the kind of issue we are supposed to be empowered to get an answer about, yes? ;-) Email me. Art Laurie Solomon wrote: > Tony, the question, for which I do not know the answer, are the existing > ASPI layers 32 bit only, 64 bit only, or neutral with respect to the bit > architecture. I suspect that like drivers the currently available ASPI > layers from Adaptec and Microsoft may be written to 32 bit architectural > specifications and therefore not usable by 64 bit devices, systems, or > software. Moreover, Ed's software may be written to 32 bit > architectural specifications and not work in 64 bit systems or recognize > 64 bit hardware if such hardware exists. (As an aside, I do not think > that the hardware in the case of peripherals is 32 or 64 bit > intrinsically but that will depend on the hardware's firmware). > Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: large scanning project
I expect that the peripheral companies have looked this situation over and determined they save (or make) more money than they lose by doing it the way they do. Truth is, as the peripheral markets consolidate more and more, our choices become limited and eventually we often return to the same company, even if we have been burned. Consider scanners, since this is the peripheral this listserve is about. How many choices are there out there now? The companies with some of the best overall customer service are out of the game. Polaroid is a perfect example. The buying public is after saving a buck or two over getting quality customer service. People buy via mail order and internet rather than from their local dealer, who may be able to provide better hands on customer service to save $10 bucks. So, although I agree that this problem is fueled in part by the way the manufacturers see us, it is also fueled by our own poor buying habits. Lastly, there is a cultural issue. Asian owned companies, especially ones running out of Japan, tend to make policy in the head office and even with complaints from either their foreign offices or foreign consumers, they tend to look at the market and culture they best know to create policy. Japanese consumers have a cultural attitude about older things. They expect and have been encouraged to embrace obsolecense. A new product comes out, they tend toward discarding the old one and replace it. Europeans and North Americans have a very different point of view, and many of us expect the product to be supported until it breaks. The Japanese economy thrives on the idea of continual replacement of goods with newer ones. This is why you will often find Japanese based companies less willing to upgrade drivers from their older products. And the truth is, we rarely complain to the correct people about it, so our displeasure doesn't get where it needs to. If boycotts developed toward certain products or brands, perhaps that would move attitudes. Art [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Arthur Entlich wrote: > >> > Don't these companies understand how it damages their relationship with >> > their customers? Don't they know that an important driver for sales in >> > the photography and imaging business is brand loyalty? They are just >> > shooting themselves in the foot. >> >> >>But are they? >> >>Although I too am outraged that these companies do this, keep in mind >>how nicely this obsolesces whole generations of peripherals. >> > > > Yes, but they go and buy someone else's next generation peripheral. > You've lost a customer for that sale because you p*ssed him off. > > >>I had an idea that I pitched to MS a few years back, that they not issue >> a "Windows Compatible" designation on a peripheral unless the company >>signs an agreement that they will guarantee to supply upgraded drivers >>with changes in OS's for a certain number of years (I thought 8-10 years >>would be about right). >> > > > Perhaps that could be a marketing idea for the peripheral producer > thought. "We guarantee that this printer will work with all future > generations of the Windows OS for the next 10 years." I just had to buy > another laser printer because my KM laser printer doesn't have a 64 bit > driver. KM has lost me as a printer customer, and lost all those future > sales of super high margin toner cartridges that I would have used if > the printer had a 64 bit driver. (Which is, by the way, how the make > their money on laser printers these days, just like with ink jets.) > > >>MS's legitimate response was the company is already accused of trying to >>control the industry and this would not go over well with with >>peripheral manufacturers. However, since MS owns the certification >>process, personally, I'd like to see them require some minimal time >>period on all certified products. >> > > > MS has good cause to think that way -- they KNOW they try to control the > industry. > > Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: large scanning project
You could suggest degrees of certification. E.g., bronze would be bog-standard technical compliance. Platinum would be granted for commitment to cover support across a number of platforms, OS, for a certain number of years, open publication of APIs, high security, a process to handle customers requests, and maximum turnaround on critical bug/security fixes. Etc. Regards, Francis At 31/05/2006 04:01, Arthur Entlich wrote: >I had an idea that I pitched to MS a few years back, that they not issue > a "Windows Compatible" designation on a peripheral unless the company >signs an agreement that they will guarantee to supply upgraded drivers >with changes in OS's for a certain number of years (I thought 8-10 years >would be about right). > >MS's legitimate response was the company is already accused of trying to >control the industry and this would not go over well with with >peripheral manufacturers. However, since MS owns the certification >process, personally, I'd like to see them require some minimal time >period on all certified products. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: large scanning project
Just a note. Vuescan doesn't work well with the Dimage 5400 II. IIRC, it looked banded. Fortunately, the KM software is excellent. Now perhaps if the internal commands were put in the public domain, Ed H. could do a good job with it. Tony Sleep wrote: > On 31/05/2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>All the scanners he "supports" in 32 bit must use >>their manufacturer-supplied device drivers in order to work with or >>without Vuescan. > > > That's what I question. Ed implements some scanner functionality and quite > often extends it, in ways which are not implemented in the OE software. EG > multiscanning in scanners that were not designed for it; elimination of > banding by intriducing wait delays to calm mech resonance that Nikon never > fixed; using the IR channel for his own noise elimination routines instead > of DICE or routines that are proprietary and unavailable to him; > supporting scanners under Linux for which OE drivers were never available. > > It would be surprising if OE drivers were prescient enough to support all > this creativity. It's my belief VS is 'driverless', it provides its own > interface to the scanner firmware. Though as Laurie says, if there's not > an OS-compatible ASPI layer between VS and the data bus, it ain't gonna > work, and if the VS code is unable to communicate with the 64bit OS, it > ain't gonna work. > > Regards > > Tony Sleep > > Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: large scanning project
Without the driver, Vuescan won't know that the scanner is there because the computer OS won't know the scanner is there -- or it might know something is there, but won't know what exactly it is or how to deal or communicate with it. Tony Sleep wrote: > different driver architecture? AFAIK Vuescan makes no use whatsoever of > the mfr's 32bit driver, so long as it can talk via ASPI or whatever driver > layer is needed for the data interface, it works. I am sure I have used VS > with various scanners without installing any mfr. s/w, or is a native OS > driver for the scanner invoked? > > Tony Sleep > Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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On 31/05/2006 James L. Sims wrote: > I downloaded a profile from Ian Lyons' Computer Darkroom website > ( http://www.computer-darkroom.com/home.htm )several years ago that > seems to work much better than the OEM profile. I tried that. It helped a bit, provided you did a profile-to-profile conversion in PS and avoided the broken driver CM entirely. The Epson canned profile was terrible. I spent ages, and GOK how much paper and ink trying to get good prints. The inks were shockingly temporary anyhow. I did think about converting the 1200 to Piezography, but had so little confidence in it by then that I bought an 1160 instead. In the end I bought a 1290 for colour and gave the 1200 to my sister, for her kids to use. > I can understand companies writing off a model some years after > production has ceased but three years is a bit soon. Sadly, you're > right. > > "The industry standard now is epitomised by Dell, whose attitude is > that > once a machine is out of warranty it is obsolete and none of their > concern; you should buy a new model if you want support. Yes, I have a > Dell Latitude, now on its 3rd keyboard and 2nd motherboard." > > I learned my lesson with the purchase of a new Gateway computer in > 1996. I custom built my first machine in 1997 to replace it. Yep, same here, all self-built, except it's not possible with laptops. Dell wouldn't sell me parts, only an extended warranty (at 525GBP!). Ebay has kept this thing going. I won't buy another Dell. > Again, sadly, Ed's software won't cure my 64-bit driver problem. Interesting. Why is that? I'm still on 32bit, but does 64-bit have a different driver architecture? AFAIK Vuescan makes no use whatsoever of the mfr's 32bit driver, so long as it can talk via ASPI or whatever driver layer is needed for the data interface, it works. I am sure I have used VS with various scanners without installing any mfr. s/w, or is a native OS driver for the scanner invoked? Tony Sleep Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: large scanning project
> Don't these companies understand how it damages their relationship with > their customers? Don't they know that an important driver for sales in > the photography and imaging business is brand loyalty? They are just > shooting themselves in the foot. But are they? Although I too am outraged that these companies do this, keep in mind how nicely this obsolesces whole generations of peripherals. I had an idea that I pitched to MS a few years back, that they not issue a "Windows Compatible" designation on a peripheral unless the company signs an agreement that they will guarantee to supply upgraded drivers with changes in OS's for a certain number of years (I thought 8-10 years would be about right). MS's legitimate response was the company is already accused of trying to control the industry and this would not go over well with with peripheral manufacturers. However, since MS owns the certification process, personally, I'd like to see them require some minimal time period on all certified products. Art [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yes, Epson is being pro-active about it. I already have 64 bit drivers > for my Epson 7600 and R1800 printers (but not yet for my 3200 scanner). > > And diminished regard for the manufacturer that fails to support their > product and keep it current is precisely the result and underlines my > point. I'm not sure I will ever buy another Nikon or KonicaMinolta > product (both my KM scanner and KM printer are 64 bit driver-less). > Don't these companies understand how it damages their relationship with > their customers? Don't they know that an important driver for sales in > the photography and imaging business is brand loyalty? They are just > shooting themselves in the foot. > > > James L. Sims wrote: > >>I am in the same boat with my SprintScan 120 - Polaroid, apparently, has >>no plans to provide 64-bit drivers for their defunct line of scanners. >> >>On the other hand, a tech at Epson informed me that Epson will >>eventually provide 64-bit drivers for their product line, possibly back >>as far as their Stylus Photo 1200 printers. >> >>I will, therefore be forced to maintain a 32-bit box as long as I have >>an operational SprintScan 120. My high regard for Polaroid has been >>diminished. >> >>Jim Sims >> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >> >>>Yes, KonicaMinolta scanner drivers and Nikon scanner drivers do not >>>work on XP Pro x64. >>> >>>I don't think I would ever say this about a MS product but x64 is really >>>good. It seems to me to be a big step forward from the regular XP Pro. >>>PS and just about everything runs faster. It is a shame that both my >>>Nikon LS-8000 and my KM Dimage Scan Elite 5400 II do not work on it. >>>For this is am quite annoyed and frustrated with both Nikon and KM. >>>What does it take to produce a new driver, really, to keep your >>>customers happy? Epson is split on this. They have x64 drivers for >>>many of their printers (7600 and R1800 for example), but not on some of >>>their scanners (I can't get one for my Perfection 3200 Pro). >>> >>>Old WinXP drivers do not work in any circumstances with WinXP x64. Some >>>of the scanner control software works (Vuescan and KM's does, Nikon >>>Scan4 does not), but these are different than the device driver. >>> >>> >>>gary wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> To be completely clear, the Minolta drivers do not work on X64. I need to boot do XP. Thus I am stuck with a dual boot system. Microsoft has supplied a shockingly complete set of 64 bit drivers for old hardware, right on the X64 media (I guess it's a DVD, but I don't recall). However, this takes cooperation (I assume) from the manufacturer. I called Sony today and they are looking into X64 drivers. There are going to get back to me. ;-) Laurie wrote: >A couple of points need to be made. > >First, there are differences between native drivers for 64 bit operating >systems and 32 bit operating systems. If you are running X64, then it is >probably downgrading or reverting to 32 bit in order to use the 32 bit >scanner drivers (I do not think that Minolta or any other scanner >manufacturer has 64 bit drivers for their scanners) in order to use the >existing drivers. > >Second, Vista when it is released will come in both 32 bit and 64 bit >versions. The X64 will only be a forerunner to the 64 bit version of Vista >and not to the 32 bit version. > >Thirdly, it is entirely possible that Vista in all its versions may switch > >from the current types of drivers for cameras and scanners used by the >older >peripherals to a new type of driver, which was first introduced in Windows >XP and exists in XP side by side with the traditional type of driver but >will not coexist with the traditional type of driver in Vista. Microsoft >may not supply new drivers for old peripherals so as
[filmscanners] Re: large scanning project
If a "driver" were just taking bytes from a piece of hardware and feeding them to a hard drive, I'd agree with you. However, the Dimage 5400 has ICE, GEM, ROC, and SHO, all of which are CPU intensive. I believe I gave the gent who started this thread some incorrect info regarding all these processing features. Only SHO forces you to do 8 bit per color scans. The other features work in 16 bits, though to be honest, I only use ICE. One solution for KM (now Sony) would be to put what they could of the drivers in public domain. Then either the new drivers would come from open source hackers, or some enterprising programmers would start a company to support 64 bit drivers. This can mean a lot of money for a one or two person software company. Tony Sleep wrote: > On 30/05/2006 gary wrote: > >>I run X64 (a precursor to Vista) and have to boot to XP to use my 5400 >>II. Dual booting is never a good solution. Math processing really >>moves >>on an AMD64 when in 64 bit mode, so the software will really benefit >>from going to Vista. > > > I'd be surprised if it made any significant difference to scanning. It is > always the device itself that is the bottleneck - even SCSI2 was faster > than the 2-3MB/sec most scanners could achieve, and not much speed gain > accompanied the switch to Firewire, just convenience and user friendliness. > > Tony Sleep > > Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: large scanning project
Tony wrote: "Maybe they'll finally fix the utterly broken 1200 colour management then? I had a 1200 for a long while and it never produced a single satisfactory print." I downloaded a profile from Ian Lyons' Computer Darkroom website ( http://www.computer-darkroom.com/home.htm )several years ago that seems to work much better than the OEM profile. "Polaroid effectively went bust. I get a mail a month at least from Nikon users asking how to get their ancient LS1000 working under XP, since Nikon have never produced XP software that supports it. Sadly there isn't a mfr anywhere who is exempt from the vicissitudes of the technology market." I can understand companies writing off a model some years after production has ceased but three years is a bit soon. Sadly, you're right. "The industry standard now is epitomised by Dell, whose attitude is that once a machine is out of warranty it is obsolete and none of their concern; you should buy a new model if you want support. Yes, I have a Dell Latitude, now on its 3rd keyboard and 2nd motherboard." I learned my lesson with the purchase of a new Gateway computer in 1996. I custom built my first machine in 1997 to replace it. "The answer, as I suspect it is with your Polaroid 120 and with many obsolete scanners from companies like Agfa who have fled the market, is to use Ed Hamrick's Vuescan, which works fine with the LS1000 - better than the OE ever did, too. I still use a Polaroid 4000, it's a fine machine, with Vuescan. We aren't all made of the money the mfr's think we owe them every 2yrs or so. The thing is : next time buy with your eyes open, or, perhaps more sensibly, not at all. It is only consumer pressure that will change these policies." Again, sadly, Ed's software won't cure my 64-bit driver problem. I purchased the 120 with Silverfast software and in all cases, I'm stuck with using a 32-bit XP operating system. And your last two sentences sum it up: Buyer beware and we all should make our sentiments known to to the companies. Jim Sims > > > > Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] RE: large scanning project
Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Drivers already work with 32 bit systems. They are already > satisfied. I don't your point. Not all makes and models of peripheral have 32 bit drivers which work with all operating systems; some of the older peripherals may have had 32 bit drivers that were usable for Win 98 and Win ME but which would not work for Win 2000 or Win XP. Similarly, many of the 32 bit drivers that are supported buy Win XP may not be supported in Vista. It just might happen that the 32 bit drivers you have for your brand and model may be satisfactory and supported in Win XP; but that is not true for all printers or all 32 bit drivers. :-) Moreover, it also is not necessarily true that they will work with 32 bit Windows Vista. > I'm not so sure Nikon had created a x64 driver for anything yet. > Further the x64 drivers aren't for the popular market -- it's > really not needed for the popular market. So "when" are the > demands of the popular market met? the real answer is > "never" so does that mean we never get new drivers? Is there > always something for the popular market that takes > precedence? But yet specialty products are made. The point > is that these companies like Nikon reputations are built on > the specialty market and audiences -- the flagship (and high > margin, low > volume) products at the top drive a lot of sales at the > bottom (low margin, volume) and these product usually come > out first. Finally the needs of specialty market lead the > needs of the popular market. The specialty market get 64 bit > OS first, then the popular market follows later. If you meet > the specialty market needs, you will be ready to meet the > popular market needs when they finally get around to adopting > the advance. The 64 bit drivers are not for the popular market at this time, as you note; however, as more of the Fortune 500 and enterprise corporations adopt 64 bit systems into their networks, they will be the popular market and provide the motivating demand for 64 bit drivers even if most of the individual users may be still using 32 bit systems. What you suggest may happen in some realms; but it is not the case for printers, in particular, and scanners, secondarily. The specialty market and trend setters who make the demands which are the motivating influences in the case in question are the big enterprise users - not the individual users or the geeks. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: large scanning project > Laurie Solomon wrote: >> In all seriousness, your questions and comments may be more >> appropriate for Nikon which still exists and is still in the business >> of putting out digital printers, cameras, and scanners; but they are >> meaningless when it comes to KonicaMinolta who have for all practical >> purposes gotten out of the digital business of making and > selling scanners, and printers. >> > > Actually they still make and sell printers. They just got > out of the camera/photography/film/scanner markets. But, > yes, it is only Nikon who has the ability to redeem (or at > least try to) themselves. > >> As for the speed at which companies are developing and distributing >> 64 bit drivers, it depends on the demand for them; and obviously >> there are more 32 bit users who have 32 bit OSs and systems and are >> crying for and demanding 32 bit drivers. The companies are more >> focused on meeting the demands of their larger popular market before >> turning to the specialty markets and audiences. > > Drivers already work with 32 bit systems. They are already > satisfied. I don't your point. > > I'm not so sure Nikon had created a x64 driver for anything yet. > Further the x64 drivers aren't for the popular market -- it's > really not needed for the popular market. So "when" are the > demands of the popular market met? the real answer is > "never" so does that mean we never get new drivers? Is there > always something for the popular market that takes > precedence? But yet specialty products are made. The point > is that these companies like Nikon reputations are built on > the specialty market and audiences -- the flagship (and high > margin, low > volume) products at the top drive a lot of sales at the > bottom (low margin, volume) and these product usually come > out first. Finally the needs of specialty market lead the > needs of the popular market. The specialty market get 64 bit > OS first, then the popular market follows later. If you meet > the specialty market needs, you will be ready to meet the > popular market needs whe
[filmscanners] Re: large scanning project
>Another option, with the cost of computers so low, is to literally >run a dedicated >computer with the scanner running XP, and use a network to move things >around as needed. Does seem like the easy way to go. -Bob Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: large scanning project
Laurie Solomon wrote: > In all seriousness, your questions and comments may be more appropriate > for Nikon which still exists and is still in the business of putting out > digital printers, cameras, and scanners; but they are meaningless when > it comes to KonicaMinolta who have for all practical purposes gotten out > of the digital business of making and selling scanners, and printers. > Actually they still make and sell printers. They just got out of the camera/photography/film/scanner markets. But, yes, it is only Nikon who has the ability to redeem (or at least try to) themselves. > As for the speed at which companies are developing and distributing 64 > bit drivers, it depends on the demand for them; and obviously there are > more 32 bit users who have 32 bit OSs and systems and are crying for and > demanding 32 bit drivers. The companies are more focused on meeting the > demands of their larger popular market before turning to the specialty > markets and audiences. Drivers already work with 32 bit systems. They are already satisfied. I don't your point. I'm not so sure Nikon had created a x64 driver for anything yet. Further the x64 drivers aren't for the popular market -- it's really not needed for the popular market. So "when" are the demands of the popular market met? the real answer is "never" so does that mean we never get new drivers? Is there always something for the popular market that takes precedence? But yet specialty products are made. The point is that these companies like Nikon reputations are built on the specialty market and audiences -- the flagship (and high margin, low volume) products at the top drive a lot of sales at the bottom (low margin, volume) and these product usually come out first. Finally the needs of specialty market lead the needs of the popular market. The specialty market get 64 bit OS first, then the popular market follows later. If you meet the specialty market needs, you will be ready to meet the popular market needs when they finally get around to adopting the advance. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] RE: large scanning project
Probably the latter. Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: large scanning project > But how will they know what demand for these drivers is? Will > they poll their registered users? Or just count the > complaints until they get enough? > > Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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s versions may switch >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>from the current types of drivers for cameras and scanners used by the >>>>>older >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>peripherals to a new type of driver, which was first introduced in Windows >>>>>XP and exists in XP side by side with the traditional type of driver but >>>>>will not coexist with the traditional type of driver in Vista. Microsoft >>>>>may not supply new drivers for old peripherals so as to make them >>>>>compatible >>>>>but may rely on the hardware manufacturers to supply the new drivers for >>>>>their peripherals which will be compatible with those used in Vista. In >>>>>this case, users will be out of luck if the manufacturer does not furnish >>>>>the new type of driver for their hardware or if the manufacturer goes out >>>>>of >>>>>business. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>-Original Message- >>>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gary >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:28 AM >>>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>Subject: [filmscanners] Re: large scanning project >>>>>> >>>>>>I run X64 (a precursor to Vista) and have to boot to XP to use my 5400 >>>>>>II. Dual booting is never a good solution. Math processing really moves >>>>>>on an AMD64 when in 64 bit mode, so the software will really benefit >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>from going to Vista. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>It may not be clear, but they are certainly no longer making or selling >>>>>>>scanners. The Dimage Scan Elite 5400 II are now exceptionally rare and >>>>>>>if you can get one for a "very good price", buy it. Also I am looking >>>>>>>for one, so if you could tell me where you found some, I would much >>>>>>>appreciate it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The Scan Elite 5400 II is really a very good scanner for 35mm film. It >>>>>>>provides better and faster results than my Nikon 8000. I didn't think >>>>>>>about the driver issue with Vista. But then again, everyone isn't going >>>>>>>to be rushing out to get Vista as soon as it appears. XP will still be >>>>>>>a viable OS for several years to come, giving the scanner a long enough >>>>>>>life span. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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> Don't these companies understand how it damages their > relationship with their customers? Don't they know that an > important driver for sales in the photography and imaging > business is brand loyalty? They are just shooting themselves in the > foot. In all seriousness, your questions and comments may be more appropriate for Nikon which still exists and is still in the business of putting out digital printers, cameras, and scanners; but they are meaningless when it comes to KonicaMinolta who have for all practical purposes gotten out of the digital business of making and selling scanners, and printers. As for the speed at which companies are developing and distributing 64 bit drivers, it depends on the demand for them; and obviously there are more 32 bit users who have 32 bit OSs and systems and are crying for and demanding 32 bit drivers. The companies are more focused on meeting the demands of their larger popular market before turning to the specialty markets and audiences. Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: large scanning project > Yes, Epson is being pro-active about it. I already have 64 > bit drivers for my Epson 7600 and R1800 printers (but not yet for my > 3200 scanner). > > And diminished regard for the manufacturer that fails to > support their product and keep it current is precisely the > result and underlines my point. I'm not sure I will ever buy > another Nikon or KonicaMinolta product (both my KM scanner > and KM printer are 64 bit driver-less). > Don't these companies understand how it damages their > relationship with their customers? Don't they know that an > important driver for sales in the photography and imaging > business is brand loyalty? They are just shooting themselves in the > foot. > > > James L. Sims wrote: >> I am in the same boat with my SprintScan 120 - Polaroid, apparently, >> has no plans to provide 64-bit drivers for their defunct line of >> scanners. >> >> On the other hand, a tech at Epson informed me that Epson will >> eventually provide 64-bit drivers for their product line, possibly >> back as far as their Stylus Photo 1200 printers. >> >> I will, therefore be forced to maintain a 32-bit box as long as I >> have an operational SprintScan 120. My high regard for Polaroid has >> been diminished. >> >> Jim Sims >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >>> Yes, KonicaMinolta scanner drivers and Nikon scanner drivers do >>> not work on XP Pro x64. >>> >>> I don't think I would ever say this about a MS product but x64 is >>> really good. It seems to me to be a big step forward from the >>> regular XP Pro. PS and just about everything runs faster. It is a >>> shame that both my Nikon LS-8000 and my KM Dimage Scan Elite 5400 >>> II do not work on it. For this is am quite annoyed and frustrated >>> with both Nikon and KM. What does it take to produce a new driver, >>> really, to keep your customers happy? Epson is split on this. >>> They have x64 drivers for many of their printers (7600 and R1800 >>> for example), but not on some of their scanners (I can't get one >>> for my Perfection 3200 Pro). >>> >>> Old WinXP drivers do not work in any circumstances with WinXP x64. >>> Some of the scanner control software works (Vuescan and KM's does, >>> Nikon Scan4 does not), but these are different than the device >>> driver. >>> >>> >>> gary wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> To be completely clear, the Minolta drivers do not work on X64. I >>>> need to boot do XP. Thus I am stuck with a dual boot system. >>>> >>>> Microsoft has supplied a shockingly complete set of 64 bit drivers >>>> for old hardware, right on the X64 media (I guess it's a DVD, but I >>>> don't recall). However, this takes cooperation (I assume) from the >>>> manufacturer. >>>> >>>> I called Sony today and they are looking into X64 drivers. There >>>> are going to get back to me. ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>> Laurie wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> A couple of points need to be made. >>>>> >>>>> First, there are differences between native drivers for 64 bit >>>>> operating systems and 32 bit operating systems. If you are running >>>>> X64, then it is probably dow
[filmscanners] RE: large scanning project
Paul: I bought a 5400 from Morgan a few months ago. It's very impressive: in batch mode it just ploughs through scanning neg strips (or slides) to a set of defaults which you define in advance. I'm not an "expert" but I have experienced bad and good MMI's / products /software, and this device is solid, well-made, flexible and pretty intuitive. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 May 2006 04:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: large scanning project > >Any reason you left the Dimage 5400 II off the list? > I just did a bit of investigation of this scanner and discovered that although it has some impressive features, Konica-Minolta is going out of business. It is only still available in a few places, but is available at a very good price. If I do get it, I will probably need to act quickly, rather than do careful research. Any opinions on this scanner? Should I snap one up quickly, before they are gone, or let it pass? Like the Nikon Coolscan V ED, the reviews seem to be very mixed with some people loving it, and others having lots of problems. The reviews on Nikon's 50 slide feeder seem fairly uniformly negative. Another question. Is anyone familiar with the film scanning service http://www.digmypics.com/ or with other such scanning services? Do they do a good job of producing professional quality scans at 4000+ dpi of 35 mm slides? How safe is it to mail away my very best irreplaceble slides to a service like this for scanning? ___ Dr. Paul Patton Life Sciences Building Rm 538A work: (419)-372-3858 home: (419)-352-5523 Biology Department Bowling Green State University Bowling Green, Ohio 43403 "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science." -Albert Einstein ___ Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.2/349 - Release Date: 26/05/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.2/349 - Release Date: 26/05/2006 Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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Yes, Epson is being pro-active about it. I already have 64 bit drivers for my Epson 7600 and R1800 printers (but not yet for my 3200 scanner). And diminished regard for the manufacturer that fails to support their product and keep it current is precisely the result and underlines my point. I'm not sure I will ever buy another Nikon or KonicaMinolta product (both my KM scanner and KM printer are 64 bit driver-less). Don't these companies understand how it damages their relationship with their customers? Don't they know that an important driver for sales in the photography and imaging business is brand loyalty? They are just shooting themselves in the foot. James L. Sims wrote: > I am in the same boat with my SprintScan 120 - Polaroid, apparently, has > no plans to provide 64-bit drivers for their defunct line of scanners. > > On the other hand, a tech at Epson informed me that Epson will > eventually provide 64-bit drivers for their product line, possibly back > as far as their Stylus Photo 1200 printers. > > I will, therefore be forced to maintain a 32-bit box as long as I have > an operational SprintScan 120. My high regard for Polaroid has been > diminished. > > Jim Sims > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> Yes, KonicaMinolta scanner drivers and Nikon scanner drivers do not >> work on XP Pro x64. >> >> I don't think I would ever say this about a MS product but x64 is really >> good. It seems to me to be a big step forward from the regular XP Pro. >> PS and just about everything runs faster. It is a shame that both my >> Nikon LS-8000 and my KM Dimage Scan Elite 5400 II do not work on it. >> For this is am quite annoyed and frustrated with both Nikon and KM. >> What does it take to produce a new driver, really, to keep your >> customers happy? Epson is split on this. They have x64 drivers for >> many of their printers (7600 and R1800 for example), but not on some of >> their scanners (I can't get one for my Perfection 3200 Pro). >> >> Old WinXP drivers do not work in any circumstances with WinXP x64. Some >> of the scanner control software works (Vuescan and KM's does, Nikon >> Scan4 does not), but these are different than the device driver. >> >> >> gary wrote: >> >> >> >>> To be completely clear, the Minolta drivers do not work on X64. I need >>> to boot do XP. Thus I am stuck with a dual boot system. >>> >>> Microsoft has supplied a shockingly complete set of 64 bit drivers for >>> old hardware, right on the X64 media (I guess it's a DVD, but I don't >>> recall). However, this takes cooperation (I assume) from the manufacturer. >>> >>> I called Sony today and they are looking into X64 drivers. There are >>> going to get back to me. ;-) >>> >>> >>> Laurie wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> A couple of points need to be made. First, there are differences between native drivers for 64 bit operating systems and 32 bit operating systems. If you are running X64, then it is probably downgrading or reverting to 32 bit in order to use the 32 bit scanner drivers (I do not think that Minolta or any other scanner manufacturer has 64 bit drivers for their scanners) in order to use the existing drivers. Second, Vista when it is released will come in both 32 bit and 64 bit versions. The X64 will only be a forerunner to the 64 bit version of Vista and not to the 32 bit version. Thirdly, it is entirely possible that Vista in all its versions may switch >>> >from the current types of drivers for cameras and scanners used by the >>> >older >>> peripherals to a new type of driver, which was first introduced in Windows XP and exists in XP side by side with the traditional type of driver but will not coexist with the traditional type of driver in Vista. Microsoft may not supply new drivers for old peripherals so as to make them compatible but may rely on the hardware manufacturers to supply the new drivers for their peripherals which will be compatible with those used in Vista. In this case, users will be out of luck if the manufacturer does not furnish the new type of driver for their hardware or if the manufacturer goes out of business. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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But how will they know what demand for these drivers is? Will they poll their registered users? Or just count the complaints until they get enough? Laurie wrote: > Even 64 bit printer drivers are not available now and > may not be available in the future for all makes and models of printer for > use in either XP64 or Vista. Moreover, for those printers that will be > getting new drivers the introduction of them may be a slow process based on > demand. > > Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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I am in the same boat with my SprintScan 120 - Polaroid, apparently, has no plans to provide 64-bit drivers for their defunct line of scanners. On the other hand, a tech at Epson informed me that Epson will eventually provide 64-bit drivers for their product line, possibly back as far as their Stylus Photo 1200 printers. I will, therefore be forced to maintain a 32-bit box as long as I have an operational SprintScan 120. My high regard for Polaroid has been diminished. Jim Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Yes, KonicaMinolta scanner drivers and Nikon scanner drivers do not >work on XP Pro x64. > >I don't think I would ever say this about a MS product but x64 is really >good. It seems to me to be a big step forward from the regular XP Pro. >PS and just about everything runs faster. It is a shame that both my >Nikon LS-8000 and my KM Dimage Scan Elite 5400 II do not work on it. >For this is am quite annoyed and frustrated with both Nikon and KM. >What does it take to produce a new driver, really, to keep your >customers happy? Epson is split on this. They have x64 drivers for >many of their printers (7600 and R1800 for example), but not on some of >their scanners (I can't get one for my Perfection 3200 Pro). > >Old WinXP drivers do not work in any circumstances with WinXP x64. Some >of the scanner control software works (Vuescan and KM's does, Nikon >Scan4 does not), but these are different than the device driver. > > >gary wrote: > > >>To be completely clear, the Minolta drivers do not work on X64. I need >>to boot do XP. Thus I am stuck with a dual boot system. >> >>Microsoft has supplied a shockingly complete set of 64 bit drivers for >>old hardware, right on the X64 media (I guess it's a DVD, but I don't >>recall). However, this takes cooperation (I assume) from the manufacturer. >> >>I called Sony today and they are looking into X64 drivers. There are >>going to get back to me. ;-) >> >> >>Laurie wrote: >> >> >> >>>A couple of points need to be made. >>> >>>First, there are differences between native drivers for 64 bit operating >>>systems and 32 bit operating systems. If you are running X64, then it is >>>probably downgrading or reverting to 32 bit in order to use the 32 bit >>>scanner drivers (I do not think that Minolta or any other scanner >>>manufacturer has 64 bit drivers for their scanners) in order to use the >>>existing drivers. >>> >>>Second, Vista when it is released will come in both 32 bit and 64 bit >>>versions. The X64 will only be a forerunner to the 64 bit version of Vista >>>and not to the 32 bit version. >>> >>>Thirdly, it is entirely possible that Vista in all its versions may switch >>>from the current types of drivers for cameras and scanners used by the older >>>peripherals to a new type of driver, which was first introduced in Windows >>>XP and exists in XP side by side with the traditional type of driver but >>>will not coexist with the traditional type of driver in Vista. Microsoft >>>may not supply new drivers for old peripherals so as to make them compatible >>>but may rely on the hardware manufacturers to supply the new drivers for >>>their peripherals which will be compatible with those used in Vista. In >>>this case, users will be out of luck if the manufacturer does not furnish >>>the new type of driver for their hardware or if the manufacturer goes out of >>>business. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>-Original Message- >>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gary >>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:28 AM >>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>Subject: [filmscanners] Re: large scanning project >>>> >>>>I run X64 (a precursor to Vista) and have to boot to XP to use my 5400 >>>>II. Dual booting is never a good solution. Math processing really moves >>>>on an AMD64 when in 64 bit mode, so the software will really benefit >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>from going to Vista. >>> >>> >>> >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>It may not be clear, but they are certainly no longer making or selling >>>>>scanners. The Dimage Scan Elite 5400 II are now exceptionally rare and >>>>>if you can get one for a "very good price", buy it. Also I am looking >>>>>for one, so if you could tell me where you found some, I would much >>>>>appreciate it. >>>>> >>>>>The Scan Elite 5400 II is really a very good scanner for 35mm film. It >>>>>provides better and faster results than my Nikon 8000. I didn't think >>>>>about the driver issue with Vista. But then again, everyone isn't going >>>>>to be rushing out to get Vista as soon as it appears. XP will still be >>>>>a viable OS for several years to come, giving the scanner a long enough >>>>>life span. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > > > > > Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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> Microsoft has supplied a shockingly complete set of 64 bit drivers for > old hardware, right on the X64 media (I guess it's a DVD, but I don't > recall). However, this takes cooperation (I assume) from the manufacturer. In point of fact, the software packaged inbox with the Microsoft operating systems on the CD are all developed by the hardware manufacturers in consultation with Microsoft; but they are not actually designed and written by Microsoft personnel. If the manufacturer is unwilling to redevelop drivers for older or existing hardware or is no longer in business, then there will be no new drivers, unless a third party decided to develop them or a software publisher as part of their software decided to design, develop, and include new drivers for the old or existing hardware that has old obsolete OEM drivers. In terms of priorities, 64 bit and 32 bit drivers for printers usually take priority over new drivers for digital cameras, which take priority over new drivers for scanners. Even 64 bit printer drivers are not available now and may not be available in the future for all makes and models of printer for use in either XP64 or Vista. Moreover, for those printers that will be getting new drivers the introduction of them may be a slow process based on demand. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gary > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 1:20 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [filmscanners] Re: large scanning project > > To be completely clear, the Minolta drivers do not work on X64. I need > to boot do XP. Thus I am stuck with a dual boot system. > > Microsoft has supplied a shockingly complete set of 64 bit drivers for > old hardware, right on the X64 media (I guess it's a DVD, but I don't > recall). However, this takes cooperation (I assume) from the manufacturer. > > I called Sony today and they are looking into X64 drivers. There are > going to get back to me. ;-) > > > Laurie wrote: > > A couple of points need to be made. > > > > First, there are differences between native drivers for 64 bit operating > > systems and 32 bit operating systems. If you are running X64, then it is > > probably downgrading or reverting to 32 bit in order to use the 32 bit > > scanner drivers (I do not think that Minolta or any other scanner > > manufacturer has 64 bit drivers for their scanners) in order to use the > > existing drivers. > > > > Second, Vista when it is released will come in both 32 bit and 64 bit > > versions. The X64 will only be a forerunner to the 64 bit version of > Vista > > and not to the 32 bit version. > > > > Thirdly, it is entirely possible that Vista in all its versions may > switch > > from the current types of drivers for cameras and scanners used by the > older > > peripherals to a new type of driver, which was first introduced in > Windows > > XP and exists in XP side by side with the traditional type of driver but > > will not coexist with the traditional type of driver in Vista. > Microsoft > > may not supply new drivers for old peripherals so as to make them > compatible > > but may rely on the hardware manufacturers to supply the new drivers for > > their peripherals which will be compatible with those used in Vista. In > > this case, users will be out of luck if the manufacturer does not > furnish > > the new type of driver for their hardware or if the manufacturer goes > out of > > business. > > > > > >>-Original Message- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gary > >>Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:28 AM > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Subject: [filmscanners] Re: large scanning project > >> > >>I run X64 (a precursor to Vista) and have to boot to XP to use my 5400 > >>II. Dual booting is never a good solution. Math processing really moves > >>on an AMD64 when in 64 bit mode, so the software will really benefit > >>from going to Vista. > >> > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >>>It may not be clear, but they are certainly no longer making or selling > >>>scanners. The Dimage Scan Elite 5400 II are now exceptionally rare and > >>>if you can get one for a "very good price", buy it. Also I am looking > >>>for one, so if you could tell me where you found some, I would much > >>>appreciate it. > >>> > >>>The Scan Elite 5400 II is really a very good scanner for 35mm film. > It > >>>provides better and faster results than my Nikon 8000. I didn't think > >>>about the dri
[filmscanners] Re: large scanning project
Yes, KonicaMinolta scanner drivers and Nikon scanner drivers do not work on XP Pro x64. I don't think I would ever say this about a MS product but x64 is really good. It seems to me to be a big step forward from the regular XP Pro. PS and just about everything runs faster. It is a shame that both my Nikon LS-8000 and my KM Dimage Scan Elite 5400 II do not work on it. For this is am quite annoyed and frustrated with both Nikon and KM. What does it take to produce a new driver, really, to keep your customers happy? Epson is split on this. They have x64 drivers for many of their printers (7600 and R1800 for example), but not on some of their scanners (I can't get one for my Perfection 3200 Pro). Old WinXP drivers do not work in any circumstances with WinXP x64. Some of the scanner control software works (Vuescan and KM's does, Nikon Scan4 does not), but these are different than the device driver. gary wrote: > To be completely clear, the Minolta drivers do not work on X64. I need > to boot do XP. Thus I am stuck with a dual boot system. > > Microsoft has supplied a shockingly complete set of 64 bit drivers for > old hardware, right on the X64 media (I guess it's a DVD, but I don't > recall). However, this takes cooperation (I assume) from the manufacturer. > > I called Sony today and they are looking into X64 drivers. There are > going to get back to me. ;-) > > > Laurie wrote: > >> A couple of points need to be made. >> >> First, there are differences between native drivers for 64 bit operating >> systems and 32 bit operating systems. If you are running X64, then it is >> probably downgrading or reverting to 32 bit in order to use the 32 bit >> scanner drivers (I do not think that Minolta or any other scanner >> manufacturer has 64 bit drivers for their scanners) in order to use the >> existing drivers. >> >> Second, Vista when it is released will come in both 32 bit and 64 bit >> versions. The X64 will only be a forerunner to the 64 bit version of Vista >> and not to the 32 bit version. >> >> Thirdly, it is entirely possible that Vista in all its versions may switch >> from the current types of drivers for cameras and scanners used by the older >> peripherals to a new type of driver, which was first introduced in Windows >> XP and exists in XP side by side with the traditional type of driver but >> will not coexist with the traditional type of driver in Vista. Microsoft >> may not supply new drivers for old peripherals so as to make them compatible >> but may rely on the hardware manufacturers to supply the new drivers for >> their peripherals which will be compatible with those used in Vista. In >> this case, users will be out of luck if the manufacturer does not furnish >> the new type of driver for their hardware or if the manufacturer goes out of >> business. >> >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gary >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:28 AM >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subject: [filmscanners] Re: large scanning project >>> >>> I run X64 (a precursor to Vista) and have to boot to XP to use my 5400 >>> II. Dual booting is never a good solution. Math processing really moves >>> on an AMD64 when in 64 bit mode, so the software will really benefit >>> >> >from going to Vista. >> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> >>>> It may not be clear, but they are certainly no longer making or selling >>>> scanners. The Dimage Scan Elite 5400 II are now exceptionally rare and >>>> if you can get one for a "very good price", buy it. Also I am looking >>>> for one, so if you could tell me where you found some, I would much >>>> appreciate it. >>>> >>>> The Scan Elite 5400 II is really a very good scanner for 35mm film. It >>>> provides better and faster results than my Nikon 8000. I didn't think >>>> about the driver issue with Vista. But then again, everyone isn't going >>>> to be rushing out to get Vista as soon as it appears. XP will still be >>>> a viable OS for several years to come, giving the scanner a long enough >>>> life span. >>>> Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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To be completely clear, the Minolta drivers do not work on X64. I need to boot do XP. Thus I am stuck with a dual boot system. Microsoft has supplied a shockingly complete set of 64 bit drivers for old hardware, right on the X64 media (I guess it's a DVD, but I don't recall). However, this takes cooperation (I assume) from the manufacturer. I called Sony today and they are looking into X64 drivers. There are going to get back to me. ;-) Laurie wrote: > A couple of points need to be made. > > First, there are differences between native drivers for 64 bit operating > systems and 32 bit operating systems. If you are running X64, then it is > probably downgrading or reverting to 32 bit in order to use the 32 bit > scanner drivers (I do not think that Minolta or any other scanner > manufacturer has 64 bit drivers for their scanners) in order to use the > existing drivers. > > Second, Vista when it is released will come in both 32 bit and 64 bit > versions. The X64 will only be a forerunner to the 64 bit version of Vista > and not to the 32 bit version. > > Thirdly, it is entirely possible that Vista in all its versions may switch > from the current types of drivers for cameras and scanners used by the older > peripherals to a new type of driver, which was first introduced in Windows > XP and exists in XP side by side with the traditional type of driver but > will not coexist with the traditional type of driver in Vista. Microsoft > may not supply new drivers for old peripherals so as to make them compatible > but may rely on the hardware manufacturers to supply the new drivers for > their peripherals which will be compatible with those used in Vista. In > this case, users will be out of luck if the manufacturer does not furnish > the new type of driver for their hardware or if the manufacturer goes out of > business. > > >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gary >>Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:28 AM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: [filmscanners] Re: large scanning project >> >>I run X64 (a precursor to Vista) and have to boot to XP to use my 5400 >>II. Dual booting is never a good solution. Math processing really moves >>on an AMD64 when in 64 bit mode, so the software will really benefit >>from going to Vista. >> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>>It may not be clear, but they are certainly no longer making or selling >>>scanners. The Dimage Scan Elite 5400 II are now exceptionally rare and >>>if you can get one for a "very good price", buy it. Also I am looking >>>for one, so if you could tell me where you found some, I would much >>>appreciate it. >>> >>>The Scan Elite 5400 II is really a very good scanner for 35mm film. It >>>provides better and faster results than my Nikon 8000. I didn't think >>>about the driver issue with Vista. But then again, everyone isn't going >>>to be rushing out to get Vista as soon as it appears. XP will still be >>>a viable OS for several years to come, giving the scanner a long enough >>>life span. >>> >> >>-- >>-- >>Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe >>filmscanners' >>or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title >>or body > > > > Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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A couple of points need to be made. First, there are differences between native drivers for 64 bit operating systems and 32 bit operating systems. If you are running X64, then it is probably downgrading or reverting to 32 bit in order to use the 32 bit scanner drivers (I do not think that Minolta or any other scanner manufacturer has 64 bit drivers for their scanners) in order to use the existing drivers. Second, Vista when it is released will come in both 32 bit and 64 bit versions. The X64 will only be a forerunner to the 64 bit version of Vista and not to the 32 bit version. Thirdly, it is entirely possible that Vista in all its versions may switch from the current types of drivers for cameras and scanners used by the older peripherals to a new type of driver, which was first introduced in Windows XP and exists in XP side by side with the traditional type of driver but will not coexist with the traditional type of driver in Vista. Microsoft may not supply new drivers for old peripherals so as to make them compatible but may rely on the hardware manufacturers to supply the new drivers for their peripherals which will be compatible with those used in Vista. In this case, users will be out of luck if the manufacturer does not furnish the new type of driver for their hardware or if the manufacturer goes out of business. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gary > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:28 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [filmscanners] Re: large scanning project > > I run X64 (a precursor to Vista) and have to boot to XP to use my 5400 > II. Dual booting is never a good solution. Math processing really moves > on an AMD64 when in 64 bit mode, so the software will really benefit > from going to Vista. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > It may not be clear, but they are certainly no longer making or selling > > scanners. The Dimage Scan Elite 5400 II are now exceptionally rare and > > if you can get one for a "very good price", buy it. Also I am looking > > for one, so if you could tell me where you found some, I would much > > appreciate it. > > > > The Scan Elite 5400 II is really a very good scanner for 35mm film. It > > provides better and faster results than my Nikon 8000. I didn't think > > about the driver issue with Vista. But then again, everyone isn't going > > to be rushing out to get Vista as soon as it appears. XP will still be > > a viable OS for several years to come, giving the scanner a long enough > > life span. > > > > -- > -- > Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe > filmscanners' > or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title > or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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Art is correct - the Polaroid Dust and Scratch removal filter is a very useful tool. The advantage is it works for any file - the disadvantage is it can't always distinguish between dust and fine details in the image. You can fine tune the effects with careful adjustment of the various settings and usually you can find a setting that removes most of the dust without losing any image detail. You can then clone out the relatively few spots that remain. On the occasions when I can't find a setting that doesn't remove some wanted detail, I have resorted to selecting in Photoshop the areas that I want dust removal (or selecting areas that lose detail and inverting the selection). Over the three years or so I have use the filter it has saved me many hours of tedious dust spotting. I haven't tried the Dustbuster as it is Window only, but if it is indeed better than the Polaroid it should work well. Cheers, Roger Smith On 30-May-06, at 7:52 AM, Arthur Entlich wrote: > Before giving up on your Polaroid 4000 scanner, take a look at this > dust > and scratch removal utility Polaroid offers for your scanner. > > It isn't IR, but it does a pretty good job. Further there is an > improved version based upon the same basic concept called "Dustbuster" > which was made privately and I believe is also a free download, if you > can locate it. > > Polaroid's version: > > http://www.polaroid.com/service/software/poladsr/poladsr.html > > Also check out David Yip's "dustbuster" program at: > > http://www.dustbuster.net/whatsnew.htm > > > Art > Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: large scanning project
Before giving up on your Polaroid 4000 scanner, take a look at this dust and scratch removal utility Polaroid offers for your scanner. It isn't IR, but it does a pretty good job. Further there is an improved version based upon the same basic concept called "Dustbuster" which was made privately and I believe is also a free download, if you can locate it. Polaroid's version: http://www.polaroid.com/service/software/poladsr/poladsr.html Also check out David Yip's "dustbuster" program at: http://www.dustbuster.net/whatsnew.htm Art [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I recently decided to try submitting some of my photography to > a stock photography company. They asked me for an initial > submission of 100 or more of my best slides as digital scans. > This is a much larger number of scans than I have attempted for > any previous project. If I succeed in selling these images to > them, I have many more that might be suitable that I will need to > scan. > > I have a Polaroid SprintScan 4000 scanner which scans at 4000 > dpi and 12 bit color depth. Unfortunately, it has no infrared > channel based system for removing dust specks from the images. > I am spending way too much time with the healing brush > deleting dust specks from each image to get 100 scans done in > a reasonable amount of time. I'm considering several > approaches to solving this problem, and I would like advice > from others about what to do. The first solution I've > considered is finding a reasonably fast and effective way of > physically cleaning the dust off the slides. I tried Rexton > Anti-static film cleaner applied to the slide with a q-tip > cotton swab. This didn't seem to work too well, and it tended > to leave cotton fibers on the slide. there seems to be a fair > number of small spots or specks, possibly something other than > dust specks that are still adhere to the slide after cleaning > with the Rexton cleaner. Are there other approaches to cleaning > the slides that I should try that might be reasonably quick and > effective? > > A second solution I'm considering if buying a new scanner with > an IR channel, such as Nikon's Coolscan V ED with digital ICE. > At the time I bought my SprintScan, scanners that both scanned at > 4000 dpi and had an IR channel were beyond my price range. The > Coolscan V now sells for the fairly reasonable price of about > $600.00. Can anybody comment on the quality of Digital ICE > vs. trying to clean the slides physically? Can anybody > comment otherwise on the relative quality of the Coolscan V > vs. my SprintScan 4000? Nikon's software for removing the > effects of film grain, for example, sounds quite impressive. > One possible disadvantage of the Coolscan V ED is that its > slide feeder apparently only holds one slide at a time, > whereas the SprintScan's feeder holds up to 4 slides at a > time. This is a significant concern, since my main reason for > considering a new scanner is to save time on large batches of > scans. The Super Coolscan 5000 ED has a 50 slide feeder > available as an accessory (but unfortunately, the Super > Coolscan costs $1100, and the SF-210 50 slide feeder costs > about $400 extra). The standard MA-21 single slide feeder for > Super Coolscan 5000 ED is identical to that used on the > Coolscan V ED, yet Nikon's website doesn't list the SF-210 50 > slide feeder as compatible with the Coolscan V. Can the SF-210 > slide feeder be made to work with the Coolscan V ED? Is there > a third party multi-slide feeder that works with the Coolscan > V ED? Thanks for any advice that you might be able to provide. > > ___ > Dr. Paul Patton > Life Sciences Building Rm 538A > work: (419)-372-3858 > home: (419)-352-5523 > Biology Department > Bowling Green State University > Bowling Green, Ohio 43403 > > "The most beautiful thing we can experience is > the mysterious. It is the source of all true art > and science." > -Albert Einstein > ___ > > > Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: large scanning project
Polaroid still offers its dust removal software, free: http://www.polaroid.com/service/software/poladsr/poladsr.html Here's a suggestion on scanning large numbers of images from the most recent Inkjetart.com newsletter: "INEXPENSIVE SCAN OPTION: One of the inexpensive ways we've recently discovered to get quality scans is by sending your negatives or transparencies to a professional photo lab that has a Noritsu 3200 series scanner / printer / processor. These days, whether a photo lab receives digital files or actual film to process and print, the Noritsu can handle it all -- even medium film sizes up to 6cm x 9cm (2 and 1/4 by 2 and 3/4 inches), as well as existing mounted 35mm slides. When the lab receives film (processed or unprocessed), the technicians just run the film through the scanning module of the Noritsu QSS 3200 series. A whole roll of processed film can be scanned in only a few seconds, if only 4x6 prints are needed (each image is scanned to about 4.5MB). If larger prints are needed (the printing and processing unit can handle up to 12" x 36" enlargements), each film scan takes a little longer, but is still extremely fast. The scanner module portion is capable of scans up to about 50MB from 35mm film and about 90MB from medium format film (RGB, 8-bits/channel). Check out the Noritsu Web site for more info on this equipment: http://www.noritsu.com/ "We suggest you find a photo lab in your area with a Noritsu that is willing to JUST make scans for you (without photo prints, unless you want them). The average price we've seen for 50MB or higher scans from existing transparencies and negatives is about $10.00 if you only need one image scanned. If you have about 100 images to scan, the prices can average as low as $3.50 each! "Those labs with the older, QSS 2900 series Noritsu can only make scans up to 18MB, but we've seen some labs with this older serices offering deals as low $0.30 per scan when ordering 100 or more scans at a time! We tried this service and used these 18MB scans to make 11x14 prints that were very clean and tack sharp (the Noritsu scanning software includes Digital ICE for removing dust and scratches). Most of the labs will also charge you about $5.00 per CD-R (holding about 700MB) to transfer and store those scans. Some charge an additional $5.00 fee to print out an index of thumbnails or provide software to view thumbnails of the scans, if you want these options." Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: large scanning project
It may not be clear, but they are certainly no longer making or selling scanners. The Dimage Scan Elite 5400 II are now exceptionally rare and if you can get one for a "very good price", buy it. Also I am looking for one, so if you could tell me where you found some, I would much appreciate it. The Scan Elite 5400 II is really a very good scanner for 35mm film. It provides better and faster results than my Nikon 8000. I didn't think about the driver issue with Vista. But then again, everyone isn't going to be rushing out to get Vista as soon as it appears. XP will still be a viable OS for several years to come, giving the scanner a long enough life span. gary wrote: > http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_03_01.html > It is not clear if they have abandoned the scanner business from reading > this press release. > > I see a real problem here in that Windows will be going to Vista in a > year and there will be no drivers for Minolta scanners. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> Any reason you left the Dimage 5400 II off the list? >>> >>> >> I just did a bit of investigation of this scanner and discovered >> that although it has some impressive features, Konica-Minolta is >> going out of business. It is only still available in a few >> places, but is available at a very good price. If I do get it, I >> will probably need to act quickly, rather than do careful >> research. Any opinions on this scanner? Should I snap one up >> quickly, before they are gone, or let it pass? Like the Nikon >> Coolscan V ED, the reviews seem to be very mixed with some people >> loving it, and others having lots of problems. The reviews on >> Nikon's 50 slide feeder seem fairly uniformly negative. >> >> Another question. Is anyone familiar with the film scanning >> service http://www.digmypics.com/ or with other such scanning >> services? Do they do a good job of producing professional >> quality scans at 4000+ dpi of 35 mm slides? How safe is it to >> mail away my very best irreplaceble slides to a service like this >> for scanning? >> ___ >> Dr. Paul Patton >> Life Sciences Building Rm 538A >> work: (419)-372-3858 >> home: (419)-352-5523 >> Biology Department >> Bowling Green State University >> Bowling Green, Ohio 43403 >> >> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is >> the mysterious. It is the source of all true art >> and science." >> -Albert Einstein >> ___ >> >> >> >> >> > > > Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: large scanning project
http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_03_01.html It is not clear if they have abandoned the scanner business from reading this press release. I see a real problem here in that Windows will be going to Vista in a year and there will be no drivers for Minolta scanners. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>Any reason you left the Dimage 5400 II off the list? >> > > I just did a bit of investigation of this scanner and discovered > that although it has some impressive features, Konica-Minolta is > going out of business. It is only still available in a few > places, but is available at a very good price. If I do get it, I > will probably need to act quickly, rather than do careful > research. Any opinions on this scanner? Should I snap one up > quickly, before they are gone, or let it pass? Like the Nikon > Coolscan V ED, the reviews seem to be very mixed with some people > loving it, and others having lots of problems. The reviews on > Nikon's 50 slide feeder seem fairly uniformly negative. > > Another question. Is anyone familiar with the film scanning > service http://www.digmypics.com/ or with other such scanning > services? Do they do a good job of producing professional > quality scans at 4000+ dpi of 35 mm slides? How safe is it to > mail away my very best irreplaceble slides to a service like this > for scanning? > ___ > Dr. Paul Patton > Life Sciences Building Rm 538A > work: (419)-372-3858 > home: (419)-352-5523 > Biology Department > Bowling Green State University > Bowling Green, Ohio 43403 > > "The most beautiful thing we can experience is > the mysterious. It is the source of all true art > and science." > -Albert Einstein > ___ > > > > Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: large scanning project
I too have the SS4000. I use a few blasts of Dust-Off or the equivalent, then a StaticMaster brush, then Dust-Off again. But inevitably, there will be a few spots in the sky or bright areas that need to be fixed. The Spot Healing Brush in Photoshop CS2 does make the spotting job much easier. Stan Schwartz Tulsa "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I recently decided to try submitting some of my photography to > a stock photography company. have many more that might be suitable that I > will need to > scan. > > I have a Polaroid SprintScan 4000 scanner which scans at 4000 > dpi and 12 bit color depth. Unfortunately, it has no infrared > channel based system for removing dust specks from the images. > I am spending way too much time with the healing brush > deleting dust specks from each image to get 100 scans done in > a reasonable amount of time. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: large scanning project
Pec pads and fluid are pretty much the standard for film cleaning. This is some random (as in I never used that mail order company) link: http://www.slidescribe.com/pcld.shtml You shouldn't have to mail order the Pec pads and fluid. It is generally a bit cheaper to get a Pec kit that has both the fluid and the pads. To really clean your slides, you need the ability to remove them from the mount. [You just can't clean the edges otherwise.] If your mounts are not resealable, you will need some Gepe slide mounts. You can just compress the mount by hand if you don't want to buy the mounter. You will need a source of clean compressed air. I use a scuba tank with a nozzle attachment. If you don't want to buy a tank, you can rent one, but the nozzle, hose and such probably can't be rented. I bought my whole set up with a used tank for $80. [You can tank hits off the tank if the Pec-12 fluid gets to you!] If you are an ebayer, that would be the last place to get a tank as they are mighty heavy. Just go to a dive shop and probably someone local will have a tank for sale. Any reason you left the Dimage 5400 II off the list? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I recently decided to try submitting some of my photography to > a stock photography company. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
