Re: filmscanners: Minolta Multi Pro with negs
To the list: I second Tomasz Zakrzewski's request for information concerning the Minolta Scan Multi Pro's performance as a negative scanner. That's what I want to use it for, and have only seen one user's report that was negative about its use with negatives. Are there any contravening opinions out there, or would I be better off scanning my negs with a Polaroid 120? Thanks. -- Victor Landweber I havent't put my hands on any filmscanner yet, I haven't seen any in action neither. That's why I have to ask this simple question: How one scans negs with scanning software from Minolta?. Does it have separate profiles for different neg types or is it done differently? I ask because currently I'm saving money to buy Minolta Multi Pro. I like almost every aspect of this machine, I'm only worried about the Minolta's software performance with negs, as I read The Minolta scanner lacks any film terms for color negative film so the colors suck for scans from color negs somewhere on the Net. 80% of my film material are negs, unfortunately. I can't verify if the above cited statement is exagerrated or is it true. If yes, than I can only count on VueScan's capabilities. But then I'm a little bit concerned about my chances for support from Ed Hamrick. I asked him two days ago how well VueScan supports the Minolta Multi Pro, if there are any incompabilities, but he doesn't feel like answering my question. I once made the mistake to ask Mr.Hamrick a non-VueScan related question and now he seems to treat me as a nuisance and avoids answering my e-mails. Mr.Hamrick, I promise not to ask you anymore about what to choose ! ;-) Anyway, coming back to my initial question: will I get good neg scan from Minolta Multi Pro? Regards Tomasz Zakrzewski -=-=- SBG-Priority: 5 (Lowest) http://www.internz.com/SpamBeGone/
Re: filmscanners: Minolta Multi Pro rez for 24x65 panoramic format
You can scan 24 x 65 at 4800 dpi using VueScan on the Scan Multi Pro. I added the same max resolution mode as VueScan uses with the Scan Multi (it wll scan 42 x 65 mm at 5800 dpi). Ed Hamrick Sounds great, Ed! Together with Vs, my old HPS20 was a good compromise to learn scanning negs, but it quickly showed its limits. I'll give closest attention to comments and reviews about this new Minolta scanner. The perspective of paying so much Nikon 8000 nightmares, even with ICE, for this particular use was really boring! Thanks again, and best regards. Didier
Re: filmscanners: Minolta Multi Pro rez for 24x65 panoramic format
In a message dated 12/1/2001 5:05:40 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The perspective of paying so much Nikon 8000 nightmares, even with ICE, for this particular use was really boring! In my limited use of the Nikon LS-8000, the SprintScan 120 and the Scan Multi Pro, I didn't come across any problems that would prevent me from buying any of these scanners myself. They're all terrific scanners (in my opinion). Regards, Ed Hamrick
Re: filmscanners: Minolta Multi Pro
In a message dated 11/29/2001 9:38:28 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The stepper motor can actually move at 9600 dpi, which is evenly divisible by both 4800 and 3200. Regards, Ed Hamrick When the stepper motor moves less than the optical resolution isn't that just a software interpolation? No, the stepper motor either steps twice per line when scanning at 4800 dpi or three times per line when scanning at 3200 dpi. Neither the Minolta software nor VueScan ever use the stepper motor at 9600 dpi. Regards, Ed Hamrick
Re: filmscanners: Minolta Multi Pro
Ed, could you tell us some of your impressions about the Minolta Multi Pro when testing it for your software - what about overall sharpness, shadow noise etc. A lot of people out there seem to be interested in getting some well founded impressions of the scanners quality by someone who has seen more than this one machine. Curious greetings, Bernhard - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:05 AM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Minolta Multi Pro In a message dated 11/29/2001 9:38:28 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The stepper motor can actually move at 9600 dpi, which is evenly divisible by both 4800 and 3200. Regards, Ed Hamrick When the stepper motor moves less than the optical resolution isn't that just a software interpolation? No, the stepper motor either steps twice per line when scanning at 4800 dpi or three times per line when scanning at 3200 dpi. Neither the Minolta software nor VueScan ever use the stepper motor at 9600 dpi. Regards, Ed Hamrick
Re: filmscanners: Minolta Multi Pro rez for 24x65 panoramic format
In a message dated 11/30/2001 10:56:43 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What optical resolution does offer the Minolta multi software for 24x65 negs? If low, could the optical system be turned to max (4800dpi) by Vuescan, like Ed made in the old Minolta MF? You can scan 24 x 65 at 4800 dpi using VueScan on the Scan Multi Pro. I added the same max resolution mode as VueScan uses with the Scan Multi (it wll scan 42 x 65 mm at 5800 dpi). Regards, Ed Hamrick
Re: filmscanners: Minolta Multi Pro
In a message dated 11/30/2001 9:20:31 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: could you tell us some of your impressions about the Minolta Multi Pro when testing it for your software - what about overall sharpness, shadow noise etc. A lot of people out there seem to be interested in getting some well founded impressions of the scanners quality by someone who has seen more than this one machine. It seemed to produce excellent scans, with very little noise in the darkest parts of a severely underexposed Kodachrome slide I use for testing. The darkest part of a Q60 calibration slide had virtually no noise as well, even without using single-pass multi-scanning (which this unit supports). The SprintScan 120 has similar (possibly slightly better) low-noise performance in the darkest parts of slides, and both have excellent color accuracy (the SprintScan 120 has slightly better color accuracy). The main things that differentiate them are batch scanning of uncut Medium Format film (SprintScan 120) and infrared dust removal (Scan Dual Pro). The film window in the SprintScan 120 is 17 cm and you can scan any 8.5 cm piece. The film window in the Scan Multi Pro is 8.5 cm. They're both excellent scanners. Regards, Ed Hamrick
Re: filmscanners: Minolta Multi Pro
In a message dated 11/29/2001 5:48:43 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the Minolta claims 4800 dpi with a 7260 pixels per line CCD. How do they do that? They move the lens closer to the film when scanning at 4800 dpi. The lens is farther from the film when scanning at 3200 dpi. Minolta also does not give the optical resolution on their site for the 2 1/4 film format Yes, they do. They clearly say it's 3200 dpi. What is the Minolta's optical resolution on medium format? 3200 dpi. The stepper motor can actually move at 9600 dpi, which is evenly divisible by both 4800 and 3200. Regards, Ed Hamrick
RE: filmscanners: Minolta Multi Pro
Why would one buy a multi format scanner to get the same size file regardless of format. I don't understand. Why should the format of the film define the enlargement size? With a film scanner that provides resolution proportional to the film format, providing the film is decent enough (especially for 35mm), you can make the same size enlargement. I guess I could ask the question why would anyone buy a multi format scanner to get a different size file regardless of format? I don't understand ;-)
RE: filmscanners: Minolta Multi Pro
Yes, we're talking about the Minolta Scan Multi Pro. If you dig deep enough you will find the optical resolution for MF which is 3200 dpi. This should explain the difference in CCD. In any event, 3200dpi is plenty for a scan of a 6x7 transparency and the scans are excellent. Paul Wilson -Original Message- From: Winsor Crosby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 5:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: filmscanners: Minolta Multi Pro Stylistically, I'd call the Minolta boring rather than ugly but it's made out of metal whereas the Polaroid is at least partially plastic. The Minolta is also A LOT smaller and quieter than the Polaroid. Neither effect scan quality but they do make living with the scanner easier. We are talking about the Minolta Multi Pro here are we not? Why is it being compared to Nikon and Polaroid. Is no one concerned that while the Polaroid uses a very expensive 10K pixels per line CCD and gives 4000 dpi for all formats, the Minolta claims 4800 dpi with a 7260 pixels per line CCD. How do they do that? Minolta also does not give the optical resolution on their site for the 2 1/4 film format, but gives 4800 dpi interpolated.On other scanners interpolated resolution is 2 or 3 times the optical resolution. It is often said that it is a false number and should be ignored. What is the Minolta's optical resolution on medium format? Is it actually about 2000 dpi? Why would one buy a multi format scanner to get the same size file regardless of format. I don't understand. -- Winsor Crosby Long Beach, California
RE: filmscanners: Minolta Multi Pro
Ed, The stepper motor can actually move at 9600 dpi, which is evenly divisible by both 4800 and 3200. Does this mean they are doing something more than what is usually done for interpolation? Also, I downloaded the trial version of the latest VueScan and used it with my Minolta DSMP. An odd think I noticed is that the scanner both sounds different and is louder scanning with Vuescan vs. Minolta's software. Any idea why? Paul Wilson
Re: filmscanners: Minolta Multi Pro
Winsor Crosby wrote: On other scanners interpolated resolution is 2 or 3 times the optical resolution. It is often said that it is a false number and should be ignored. What is the Minolta's optical resolution on medium format? Is it actually about 2000 dpi? Why would one buy a multi format scanner to get the same size file regardless of format. I don't understand. -- As I understand it, the Scan Multi Pro's optical resolution for MF film is 3200 ppi. The 4800 ppi rating is just for 35mm. I've heard this from several different people. But now that you mention it, guess I'll have to go back and do a wee bit of research on my own. ;-) (I don't know about the U.S. - but if you go to www.minoltaeurope.com, I *have* read it clearly stated in the FAQ's that the rez for MF is only 3200ppi.) At this point, I've only found one in-depth review; the one at www.imaging-resource.com. In the real world, I've not yet encountered a Scan Multi-Pro owner who had anything bad to say about the unit. On the other hand, *my* real world encounters with the Nikon 8000ED have prompted me to order the Scan Multi Pro today. (returning the 8000ED bright early tomorrow A.M.) Joyfully, -david soderman-
Re: filmscanners: Minolta Multi Pro
In a message dated 11/29/2001 5:48:43 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the Minolta claims 4800 dpi with a 7260 pixels per line CCD. How do they do that? They move the lens closer to the film when scanning at 4800 dpi. The lens is farther from the film when scanning at 3200 dpi. Minolta also does not give the optical resolution on their site for the 2 1/4 film format Yes, they do. They clearly say it's 3200 dpi. What is the Minolta's optical resolution on medium format? 3200 dpi. The stepper motor can actually move at 9600 dpi, which is evenly divisible by both 4800 and 3200. Regards, Ed Hamrick When the stepper motor moves less than the optical resolution isn't that just a software interpolation? -- Winsor Crosby Long Beach, California
RE: filmscanners: Minolta Multi Pro
Why would one buy a multi format scanner to get the same size file regardless of format. I don't understand. Why should the format of the film define the enlargement size? With a film scanner that provides resolution proportional to the film format, providing the film is decent enough (especially for 35mm), you can make the same size enlargement. I guess I could ask the question why would anyone buy a multi format scanner to get a different size file regardless of format? I don't understand ;-) Really. That goes against the usual wisdom that you can make a larger print of the same quality from a larger negative. Or am I misunderstanding you? In a museum exhibit a few years ago of Ansel Adams photographs it was very obvious to me that even the small prints from the Hasselblad shots suffered in quality compared to the very large 4x5 prints. -- Winsor Crosby Long Beach, California
RE: filmscanners: Minolta Multi Pro
The stepper motor can actually move at 9600 dpi, which is evenly divisible by both 4800 and 3200. Does this mean they are doing something more than what is usually done for interpolation? No matter how fine the stepper motor is, the CCD can only see at the resolution of the field-of-view of the CCD. Stepping finer doesn't necessarily give you more usable data.
RE: filmscanners: Minolta Multi Pro
Geez, you might as well try a SS120 and you can talk about all three with some authority. I might be convinced to lend you one so you can see what a good scanner does!! :) RegretfullyDavid -Original Message- From: david soderman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: filmscanners: Minolta Multi Pro Winsor Crosby wrote: On other scanners interpolated resolution is 2 or 3 times the optical resolution. It is often said that it is a false number and should be ignored. What is the Minolta's optical resolution on medium format? Is it actually about 2000 dpi? Why would one buy a multi format scanner to get the same size file regardless of format. I don't understand. -- As I understand it, the Scan Multi Pro's optical resolution for MF film is 3200 ppi. The 4800 ppi rating is just for 35mm. I've heard this from several different people. But now that you mention it, guess I'll have to go back and do a wee bit of research on my own. ;-) (I don't know about the U.S. - but if you go to www.minoltaeurope.com, I *have* read it clearly stated in the FAQ's that the rez for MF is only 3200ppi.) At this point, I've only found one in-depth review; the one at www.imaging-resource.com. In the real world, I've not yet encountered a Scan Multi-Pro owner who had anything bad to say about the unit. On the other hand, *my* real world encounters with the Nikon 8000ED have prompted me to order the Scan Multi Pro today. (returning the 8000ED bright early tomorrow A.M.) Joyfully, -david soderman-
RE: filmscanners: Minolta Multi Pro
Why would one buy a multi format scanner to get the same size file regardless of format. I don't understand. Why should the format of the film define the enlargement size? With a film scanner that provides resolution proportional to the film format, providing the film is decent enough (especially for 35mm), you can make the same size enlargement. I guess I could ask the question why would anyone buy a multi format scanner to get a different size file regardless of format? I don't understand ;-) Really. That goes against the usual wisdom that you can make a larger print of the same quality from a larger negative. Yes, but that only comes into play above a certain point. If I only want to make, at the largest, 24 prints (irrespective of the film format), what are the number of pixels I'll need in order to get high quality 24 prints? At 5080, a 35mm negative gives me 5080 pixels/inch or 211 PPI for a 24 wide print. For a 6cm wide negative, that gives me 2540 pixels/inch or around 250 PPI for 24... That's a pretty decent sized print. If I had a larger printer than I do, then I certainly would be wanting a higher resolution scanner than that...but I actually can only print a max of 17 wide at this point, so having more resolution doesn't give me any better prints...since I get 300 PPI for 35mm, and 353 PPI for MF...that makes some very nice prints. I typically print 12 wide prints, so you can see that 5080 for 35mm or 2540 for MF gives me plenty of data to send to the printer...and with Delta 100 or any of the high end high resolution 35mm films (and Leica or Contax/Zeiss glass), 5080 works very well, and I can get some very nice prints. Unless you crop a lot...I almost never crop at all, I print full frame.
