Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
The result of the changes that Ed made to produce Vuescan 7.1.2 can be seen here. http://www.littlebarn.com/test/index.htm Minor mods in PS creates a beautiful end result Thanks John Bradbury - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:29 AM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones > In a message dated 6/18/2001 1:42:44 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > The result compared to Nikonscan 3.1 can be seen at > > http://www.littlebarn.com/test/index.htm > > After autolevel and curve correction in Photoshop I get an image from > > Vuescan that is better than Nikon Scan. > > Question to Ed: would it be possible to achieve the end result without > going > > through PS? > > The reason the image is too dark is that you have bright sky > in the background, and VueScan is preserving detail in the > sky (it's blue in the first VueScan result and white in the other > results). Increase "Color|White point (%)" to get more brightness > in the foreground, possibly to 2 to 5%. > > Experiment with reducing "Color|Gamma" to improve the color and > skin tones. > > These two things should let you reproduce your Photoshop results. > > If you e-mail me the raw scan file for this image, > I'll look into whether there's something I can do in VueScan > to make this improved contrast be the default (I may have > something incorrect in the default contrast that's used > when generic film type or restore colors is used). > > (You can produce a raw scan file by turning on the > "Files|Output raw file" option.) > > Regards, > Ed Hamrick >
Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
"John Bradbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a raw scan file but its 74 meg at 2700 resolution! > I can reduce the res to give a smaller file. Is that OK? You'd need to crop it down to a smaller area. You also need to enable compression on the raw file. Rob
Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If you e-mail me the raw scan file for this image, > I'll look into whether there's something I can do in VueScan > to make this improved contrast be the default (I may have > something incorrect in the default contrast that's used > when generic film type or restore colors is used). See, this is the kind of thing that makes me support shareware. -- Terry Carroll | "Denied." Santa Clara, CA | Baltimore Ravens v. Bouchat, no. 00-1494, [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (U.S. Supreme Court, May 21, 2001) Modell delendus est |
Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
Hi Ed I have a raw scan file but its 74 meg at 2700 resolution! I can reduce the res to give a smaller file. Is that OK? Thanks John Bradbury - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:29 AM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones > In a message dated 6/18/2001 1:42:44 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > The result compared to Nikonscan 3.1 can be seen at > > http://www.littlebarn.com/test/index.htm > > After autolevel and curve correction in Photoshop I get an image from > > Vuescan that is better than Nikon Scan. > > Question to Ed: would it be possible to achieve the end result without > going > > through PS? > > The reason the image is too dark is that you have bright sky > in the background, and VueScan is preserving detail in the > sky (it's blue in the first VueScan result and white in the other > results). Increase "Color|White point (%)" to get more brightness > in the foreground, possibly to 2 to 5%. > > Experiment with reducing "Color|Gamma" to improve the color and > skin tones. > > These two things should let you reproduce your Photoshop results. > > If you e-mail me the raw scan file for this image, > I'll look into whether there's something I can do in VueScan > to make this improved contrast be the default (I may have > something incorrect in the default contrast that's used > when generic film type or restore colors is used). > > (You can produce a raw scan file by turning on the > "Files|Output raw file" option.) > > Regards, > Ed Hamrick >
Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
Following Ed's advice I rescanned an image in Vuescan using "infrared clean" & restore colors" The result compared to Nikonscan 3.1 can be seen at http://www.littlebarn.com/test/index.htm After autolevel and curve correction in Photoshop I get an image from Vuescan that is better than Nikon Scan. Question to Ed: would it be possible to achieve the end result without going through PS? Thanks John Bradbury - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 4:31 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones > In a message dated 6/17/2001 1:17:38 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > There are something else with VueScan just now if I compare VueScan to > > NikonScan and Silverfast. Little bit flat, doll and color less. > > > > I have send MR Hamrick 3 test pictures scanned by NikonScan, VueScan and > > Silverfast+ LS2000. Nothing more done than dragged to Photoshop and auto > > levels. > > I think the root of the problem is that VueScan doesn't have > support for Fuji NPH 400 film. The default settings in VueScan > are basically for Kodak Gold film, and it doesn't seem to match > the Fuji NPH characteristics very well. > > You might experiment with the "Color|Restore colors" option. > One of the things this option does is try to figure out the > colors of each of the dye layers and separate out each of > the dye layers. This often fixes problems both with films > that aren't in the VueScan film table. However, this option > only works well at high resolutions, where it can see color > changes at the edges of dye clouds. > > When the "Color|Restore colors" option is enabled, the > choice of film type in the Color tab is ignored. > > The other tricky part of using this option is that is doesn't > affect the preview tab, only the scan tab, since the results > improve as the scan resolution increases. > > Regards, > Ed Hamrick >
Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:14:50 Mikael Risedal ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > There are something else with VueScan just now if I compare VueScan to > NikonScan and Silverfast. Little bit flat, doll and color less. Yes, I see low saturation too with VS+SS4000. Doesn't bother me personally as I always scan to 16bit and work with the image in PS. I would far prefer saturation to be on the low side rather than too high on occasions, as that could be disastrous. Typically VS images need about +35 saturation here. Regards Tony Sleep http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner info & comparisons
Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
You must be thinking of someone else - I have not done comparison tests, and rarely use NikonScan, instead using VueScan for the initial image and then any additional corrections and final sharpening in my graphics program. I have only Silverfast SE for my flatbed, but not for my filmscanner. Maris - Original Message - From: "Mikael Risedal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 11:00 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones | Maris | | I think everyone will gain to have a rely good VueScan software. I will. | (Spec. with negative film ) I understand that you also have done the | same test as I have with the 3 software's: NikonScan 3.1 VueScan 7.1 and | Silverfast 5.2. And that you have been looking at:ower all performance , | in color, color cast, histogram, contrast, flatness etc. ?? | Please send me some pictures so we can share ouers experience. | I can send you pictures of Mac Beth , working situation, studio pictures | etc. Showing how different the 3 and even other sofwares as Binuscan are | reading the same negative. And some are more flat and some are not so lively | than others. | I will have the best out put from my scanners, not a lot of work | later on in Photoshop. | | | | | Best regards | Mikael Risedal | Photographer | Lund Sweden | | Owner of VueScan, NikonScan, Polaroid Insight, Polaroid 2.7.1 Binuscan , | Silverfast | Scanners: LS2000. LS4000. Polaroid 35+ | | | | | | | | | >From: "Maris V. Lidaka, Sr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | >Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones | >Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:52:31 -0500 | > | >The flatness is good - it means that the highlights and shadows have NOT | >been clipped, and you can set those points wherever you wish in Photoshop | >or | >other graphics program. | > | >Maris | > | >- Original Message - | >From: "Mikael Risedal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | >Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 6:14 PM | >Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones | > | > | >| Tony | >| There are something else with VueScan just now if I compare VueScan to | >| NikonScan and Silverfast. Little bit flat, doll and color less. | >| | >| I have send MR Hamrick 3 test pictures scanned by NikonScan, VueScan and | >| Silverfast+ LS2000. Nothing more done than dragged to Photoshop and auto | >| levels. | >| | >| Mikael Risedal | >| | >| | >| >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony Sleep) | >| >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | >| >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | >| >Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones | >| >Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:15 +0100 (BST) | >| > | >| >On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:31:15 -0400 John Bradbury ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | >| >wrote: | >| > | >| > > I also find that the "flatness" you describe is very difficult to | >| > > correct | >| > | >| >In 16 bits, set levels and increase saturation. In 8 bits, you'll | >probably | >| >create contouring. | >| > | >| >Regards | >| > | >| >Tony Sleep | >| >http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner | >| >info & comparisons | >| | >| _ | >| Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. | >| | > | | _ | Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. | |
Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
I wish this had been mentioned in the Help files. Maris - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 3:31 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones [snipped] | When the "Color|Restore colors" option is enabled, the | choice of film type in the Color tab is ignored.
Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
Maris I think everyone will gain to have a rely good VueScan software. I will. (Spec. with negative film ) I understand that you also have done the same test as I have with the 3 software's: NikonScan 3.1 VueScan 7.1 and Silverfast 5.2. And that you have been looking at:ower all performance , in color, color cast, histogram, contrast, flatness etc. ?? Please send me some pictures so we can share ouers experience. I can send you pictures of Mac Beth , working situation, studio pictures etc. Showing how different the 3 and even other sofwares as Binuscan are reading the same negative. And some are more flat and some are not so lively than others. I will have the best out put from my scanners, not a lot of work later on in Photoshop. Best regards Mikael Risedal Photographer Lund Sweden Owner of VueScan, NikonScan, Polaroid Insight, Polaroid 2.7.1 Binuscan , Silverfast Scanners: LS2000. LS4000. Polaroid 35+ >From: "Maris V. Lidaka, Sr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones >Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:52:31 -0500 > >The flatness is good - it means that the highlights and shadows have NOT >been clipped, and you can set those points wherever you wish in Photoshop >or >other graphics program. > >Maris > >- Original Message - >From: "Mikael Risedal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 6:14 PM >Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones > > >| Tony >| There are something else with VueScan just now if I compare VueScan to >| NikonScan and Silverfast. Little bit flat, doll and color less. >| >| I have send MR Hamrick 3 test pictures scanned by NikonScan, VueScan and >| Silverfast+ LS2000. Nothing more done than dragged to Photoshop and auto >| levels. >| >| Mikael Risedal >| >| >| >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony Sleep) >| >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >| >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >| >Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones >| >Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:15 +0100 (BST) >| > >| >On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:31:15 -0400 John Bradbury ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >| >wrote: >| > >| > > I also find that the "flatness" you describe is very difficult to >| > > correct >| > >| >In 16 bits, set levels and increase saturation. In 8 bits, you'll >probably >| >create contouring. >| > >| >Regards >| > >| >Tony Sleep >| >http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner >| >info & comparisons >| >| _ >| Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >| > _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
In a message dated 6/17/2001 1:17:38 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > There are something else with VueScan just now if I compare VueScan to > NikonScan and Silverfast. Little bit flat, doll and color less. > > I have send MR Hamrick 3 test pictures scanned by NikonScan, VueScan and > Silverfast+ LS2000. Nothing more done than dragged to Photoshop and auto > levels. I think the root of the problem is that VueScan doesn't have support for Fuji NPH 400 film. The default settings in VueScan are basically for Kodak Gold film, and it doesn't seem to match the Fuji NPH characteristics very well. You might experiment with the "Color|Restore colors" option. One of the things this option does is try to figure out the colors of each of the dye layers and separate out each of the dye layers. This often fixes problems both with films that aren't in the VueScan film table. However, this option only works well at high resolutions, where it can see color changes at the edges of dye clouds. When the "Color|Restore colors" option is enabled, the choice of film type in the Color tab is ignored. The other tricky part of using this option is that is doesn't affect the preview tab, only the scan tab, since the results improve as the scan resolution increases. Regards, Ed Hamrick
Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
The flatness is good - it means that the highlights and shadows have NOT been clipped, and you can set those points wherever you wish in Photoshop or other graphics program. Maris - Original Message - From: "Mikael Risedal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 6:14 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones | Tony | There are something else with VueScan just now if I compare VueScan to | NikonScan and Silverfast. Little bit flat, doll and color less. | | I have send MR Hamrick 3 test pictures scanned by NikonScan, VueScan and | Silverfast+ LS2000. Nothing more done than dragged to Photoshop and auto | levels. | | Mikael Risedal | | | >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony Sleep) | >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | >Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones | >Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:15 +0100 (BST) | > | >On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:31:15 -0400 John Bradbury ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | >wrote: | > | > > I also find that the "flatness" you describe is very difficult to | > > correct | > | >In 16 bits, set levels and increase saturation. In 8 bits, you'll probably | >create contouring. | > | >Regards | > | >Tony Sleep | >http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner | >info & comparisons | | _ | Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. |
Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
Tony There are something else with VueScan just now if I compare VueScan to NikonScan and Silverfast. Little bit flat, doll and color less. I have send MR Hamrick 3 test pictures scanned by NikonScan, VueScan and Silverfast+ LS2000. Nothing more done than dragged to Photoshop and auto levels. Mikael Risedal >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony Sleep) >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones >Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:15 +0100 (BST) > >On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:31:15 -0400 John Bradbury ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >wrote: > > > I also find that the "flatness" you describe is very difficult to > > correct > >In 16 bits, set levels and increase saturation. In 8 bits, you'll probably >create contouring. > >Regards > >Tony Sleep >http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner >info & comparisons _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:31:15 -0400 John Bradbury ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I also find that the "flatness" you describe is very difficult to > correct In 16 bits, set levels and increase saturation. In 8 bits, you'll probably create contouring. Regards Tony Sleep http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner info & comparisons
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I'm glad to know it's not just me! I also find that the "flatness" you describe is very difficult to correct. John Bradbury - Original Message - From: Mikael Risedal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 3:43 PM Subject: filmscanners: Skin tones > John > I took a negative and did a test on NikonScan 3.1 VueScan 7.1 and > Silverfast 5.2. Did a auto calibrating nothing more on SF and NS. > Yes same results as you have. VueScan looks not dead but more flat and > blue in the scan picture. Tried different settings i VueScan but the > flatness are still there. > I will send over the pictures to Mr. Hamrikk so he can look > > Mikael Risedal > Photographer > Lund Sweden > > > > >
Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
I think you can use the 2 software at the side of each other for different film readings. If you need a rely powerful tool try Silverfast Best regards Mikael Risedal Photographer Lund Sweden -- >From: "John Bradbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones >Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:08:37 -0400 > >Hi Mikael >The "white" background has made the difference. I did make the final prints >from the Vuescan image, but after working the yellowier nikonscan image in >Photoshop I get a printable image that is a little warmer. >The thing I feared was the thought of having to use nikonscan for outdoor >shots and Vuescan for studio shots. > >- Original Message - >From: Mikael Risedal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:06 PM >Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones > > > > Hello John > > I measure both pictures taken indoors of the lady in black hair. > > That one you think are to yellow are clearly much better > > to print. Skin tones in CMYK are OK (little much yellow) > > The other picture have a magenta cast in the skin tones. (reddish) >This > > one is not good to print. (in a for example newspaper) . Red and >magenta > > are much stronger and skin tones and are a printing problem. A good role >is > > to have more yellow than magenta in a skin tone. > > If you look at the wall behind the person- VueScan read it as gray. Only >you > > know if this is right. > > Take the gray pipette in NikonScan and make a reading from the wall and >se > > what's happens. > > A common fault in a scanned picture are when a person are in front of a > > wall who are white or gray -that the wall often have a cyan cast given >from > > the scanner and software. > > Specially difficult does it get if the scanner software not have a >measure > > point in the negative who are white, black or gray - than there can be >very > > strange skin tones. > > Best way to solve the problem is to take one picture first where the >person > > hold a gray scale and color scale in front of them as a reference. > > Best regards > > Mikael Risedal > > Photographer > > Lund > > Sweden > > > > > > > > > > >From: "John Bradbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: filmscanners: Skin tones > > >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:57:31 -0400 > > > > > >Using a Nikon LS 3 with both NikonScan 3.1, and the latest version of > > >Vuescan I find a wide variation in skin tones under different light >sources > > >see the images at: > > >http://www.littlebarn.com/test/index.htm > > >The film used for both images is Kodak Portra 160 NC. Image 1 is with > > >studio > > >lighting, Image 2 is with fill flash. > > >For printing the outdoor shot I used the Nikonscan image with >Autolevels > > >from PS. The Vuescan image looked dead > > >For the Studio shot I used the Vuescan image with autolevels. The >Nikonscan > > >image is far too yellow > > >note how the NikonScan is very warm compared to the cold Vuescan image. > > >John Bradbury > > > > > > > >_ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
Hi Mikael The "white" background has made the difference. I did make the final prints from the Vuescan image, but after working the yellowier nikonscan image in Photoshop I get a printable image that is a little warmer. The thing I feared was the thought of having to use nikonscan for outdoor shots and Vuescan for studio shots. - Original Message - From: Mikael Risedal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:06 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones > Hello John > I measure both pictures taken indoors of the lady in black hair. > That one you think are to yellow are clearly much better > to print. Skin tones in CMYK are OK (little much yellow) > The other picture have a magenta cast in the skin tones. (reddish) This > one is not good to print. (in a for example newspaper) . Red and magenta > are much stronger and skin tones and are a printing problem. A good role is > to have more yellow than magenta in a skin tone. > If you look at the wall behind the person- VueScan read it as gray. Only you > know if this is right. > Take the gray pipette in NikonScan and make a reading from the wall and se > what's happens. > A common fault in a scanned picture are when a person are in front of a > wall who are white or gray -that the wall often have a cyan cast given from > the scanner and software. > Specially difficult does it get if the scanner software not have a measure > point in the negative who are white, black or gray - than there can be very > strange skin tones. > Best way to solve the problem is to take one picture first where the person > hold a gray scale and color scale in front of them as a reference. > Best regards > Mikael Risedal > Photographer > Lund > Sweden > > > > > >From: "John Bradbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: filmscanners: Skin tones > >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:57:31 -0400 > > > >Using a Nikon LS 3 with both NikonScan 3.1, and the latest version of > >Vuescan I find a wide variation in skin tones under different light sources > >see the images at: > >http://www.littlebarn.com/test/index.htm > >The film used for both images is Kodak Portra 160 NC. Image 1 is with > >studio > >lighting, Image 2 is with fill flash. > >For printing the outdoor shot I used the Nikonscan image with Autolevels > >from PS. The Vuescan image looked dead > >For the Studio shot I used the Vuescan image with autolevels. The Nikonscan > >image is far too yellow > >note how the NikonScan is very warm compared to the cold Vuescan image. > >John Bradbury > > > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >
Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
Hello John I measure both pictures taken indoors of the lady in black hair. That one you think are to yellow are clearly much better to print. Skin tones in CMYK are OK (little much yellow) The other picture have a magenta cast in the skin tones. (reddish) This one is not good to print. (in a for example newspaper) . Red and magenta are much stronger and skin tones and are a printing problem. A good role is to have more yellow than magenta in a skin tone. If you look at the wall behind the person- VueScan read it as gray. Only you know if this is right. Take the gray pipette in NikonScan and make a reading from the wall and se what's happens. A common fault in a scanned picture are when a person are in front of a wall who are white or gray -that the wall often have a cyan cast given from the scanner and software. Specially difficult does it get if the scanner software not have a measure point in the negative who are white, black or gray - than there can be very strange skin tones. Best way to solve the problem is to take one picture first where the person hold a gray scale and color scale in front of them as a reference. Best regards Mikael Risedal Photographer Lund Sweden >From: "John Bradbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: filmscanners: Skin tones >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:57:31 -0400 > >Using a Nikon LS 3 with both NikonScan 3.1, and the latest version of >Vuescan I find a wide variation in skin tones under different light sources >see the images at: >http://www.littlebarn.com/test/index.htm >The film used for both images is Kodak Portra 160 NC. Image 1 is with >studio >lighting, Image 2 is with fill flash. >For printing the outdoor shot I used the Nikonscan image with Autolevels >from PS. The Vuescan image looked dead >For the Studio shot I used the Vuescan image with autolevels. The Nikonscan >image is far too yellow >note how the NikonScan is very warm compared to the cold Vuescan image. >John Bradbury > _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.