Re: filmscanners: Skin tones

2001-06-22 Thread John Bradbury

The result of the changes that Ed made to produce Vuescan 7.1.2 can be seen
here.
http://www.littlebarn.com/test/index.htm
Minor mods in PS creates a beautiful end result
Thanks
John Bradbury
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones


> In a message dated 6/18/2001 1:42:44 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > The result compared to Nikonscan 3.1 can be seen at
> >  http://www.littlebarn.com/test/index.htm
> >  After autolevel and curve correction in Photoshop I get an image from
> >  Vuescan that is better than Nikon Scan.
> >  Question to Ed: would it be possible to achieve the end result without
> going
> >  through PS?
>
> The reason the image is too dark is that you have bright sky
> in the background, and VueScan is preserving detail in the
> sky (it's blue in the first VueScan result and white in the other
> results).  Increase "Color|White point (%)" to get more brightness
> in the foreground, possibly to 2 to 5%.
>
> Experiment with reducing "Color|Gamma" to improve the color and
> skin tones.
>
> These two things should let you reproduce your Photoshop results.
>
> If you e-mail me the raw scan file for this image,
> I'll look into whether there's something I can do in VueScan
> to make this improved contrast be the default (I may have
> something incorrect in the default contrast that's used
> when generic film type or restore colors is used).
>
> (You can produce a raw scan file by turning on the
> "Files|Output raw file" option.)
>
> Regards,
> Ed Hamrick
>




Re: filmscanners: Skin tones

2001-06-20 Thread Rob Geraghty

"John Bradbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a raw scan file but its 74 meg at 2700 resolution!
> I can reduce the res to give a smaller file. Is that OK?

You'd need to crop it down to a smaller area.  You also need to enable
compression on the raw file.

Rob





Re: filmscanners: Skin tones

2001-06-19 Thread Terry Carroll

On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> If you e-mail me the raw scan file for this image,
> I'll look into whether there's something I can do in VueScan
> to make this improved contrast be the default (I may have
> something incorrect in the default contrast that's used
> when generic film type or restore colors is used).

See, this is the kind of thing that makes me support shareware.

-- 
Terry Carroll   |  "Denied."
Santa Clara, CA |  Baltimore Ravens v. Bouchat, no. 00-1494,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] |  (U.S. Supreme Court, May 21, 2001)
Modell delendus est |  





Re: filmscanners: Skin tones

2001-06-19 Thread John Bradbury

Hi Ed
I have a raw scan file but its 74 meg at 2700 resolution!
I can reduce the res to give a smaller file. Is that OK?
Thanks
John Bradbury

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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones


> In a message dated 6/18/2001 1:42:44 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > The result compared to Nikonscan 3.1 can be seen at
> >  http://www.littlebarn.com/test/index.htm
> >  After autolevel and curve correction in Photoshop I get an image from
> >  Vuescan that is better than Nikon Scan.
> >  Question to Ed: would it be possible to achieve the end result without
> going
> >  through PS?
>
> The reason the image is too dark is that you have bright sky
> in the background, and VueScan is preserving detail in the
> sky (it's blue in the first VueScan result and white in the other
> results).  Increase "Color|White point (%)" to get more brightness
> in the foreground, possibly to 2 to 5%.
>
> Experiment with reducing "Color|Gamma" to improve the color and
> skin tones.
>
> These two things should let you reproduce your Photoshop results.
>
> If you e-mail me the raw scan file for this image,
> I'll look into whether there's something I can do in VueScan
> to make this improved contrast be the default (I may have
> something incorrect in the default contrast that's used
> when generic film type or restore colors is used).
>
> (You can produce a raw scan file by turning on the
> "Files|Output raw file" option.)
>
> Regards,
> Ed Hamrick
>




Re: filmscanners: Skin tones

2001-06-18 Thread John Bradbury

Following Ed's advice I rescanned an image in Vuescan using "infrared clean"
& restore colors"
The result compared to Nikonscan 3.1 can be seen at
http://www.littlebarn.com/test/index.htm
After autolevel and curve correction in Photoshop I get an image from
Vuescan that is better than Nikon Scan.
Question to Ed: would it be possible to achieve the end result without going
through PS?
Thanks
John Bradbury
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones


> In a message dated 6/17/2001 1:17:38 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > There are something else with VueScan just now if I compare VueScan to
> >  NikonScan and Silverfast. Little bit flat, doll and color less.
> >
> >  I have send MR Hamrick 3 test pictures scanned by NikonScan, VueScan
and
> >  Silverfast+ LS2000. Nothing more done than dragged to Photoshop and
auto
> >  levels.
>
> I think the root of the problem is that VueScan doesn't have
> support for Fuji NPH 400 film.  The default settings in VueScan
> are basically for Kodak Gold film, and it doesn't seem to match
> the Fuji NPH characteristics very well.
>
> You might experiment with the "Color|Restore colors" option.
> One of the things this option does is try to figure out the
> colors of each of the dye layers and separate out each of
> the dye layers.  This often fixes problems both with films
> that aren't in the VueScan film table.  However, this option
> only works well at high resolutions, where it can see color
> changes at the edges of dye clouds.
>
> When the "Color|Restore colors" option is enabled, the
> choice of film type in the Color tab is ignored.
>
> The other tricky part of using this option is that is doesn't
> affect the preview tab, only the scan tab, since the results
> improve as the scan resolution increases.
>
> Regards,
> Ed Hamrick
>




Re: filmscanners: Skin tones

2001-06-18 Thread Tony Sleep

On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:14:50   Mikael Risedal ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> There are something else with VueScan just now if I compare VueScan to
> NikonScan and Silverfast. Little bit flat, doll and color less.

Yes, I see low saturation too with VS+SS4000. Doesn't bother me personally 
as I always scan to 16bit and work with the image in PS. I would far 
prefer saturation to be on the low side rather than too high on 
occasions, as that could be disastrous. Typically VS images need about +35 
saturation here.

Regards 

Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner 
info & comparisons



Re: filmscanners: Skin tones

2001-06-17 Thread Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.

You must be thinking of someone else - I have not done comparison tests, and
rarely use NikonScan, instead using VueScan for the initial image and then
any additional corrections and final sharpening in my graphics program.  I
have only Silverfast SE for my flatbed, but not for my filmscanner.

Maris

- Original Message -
From: "Mikael Risedal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones


| Maris
|
| I think everyone will gain to have a rely good VueScan software. I will.
| (Spec. with negative film ) I understand that you also have done the
| same test as I have with the 3 software's: NikonScan 3.1  VueScan 7.1 and
| Silverfast 5.2. And that you have been looking at:ower all performance
,
|   in color, color cast, histogram, contrast, flatness  etc. ??
| Please send me some pictures so we can share ouers experience.
| I can send you  pictures of  Mac Beth , working situation, studio pictures
| etc.   Showing how different the 3 and even other sofwares as Binuscan are
| reading the same negative. And some are more flat and some are not so
lively
| than others.
| I will have the best out put from my scanners, not a lot of work
| later on in Photoshop.
|
|
|
|
| Best regards
| Mikael Risedal
| Photographer
| Lund Sweden
|
| Owner of  VueScan, NikonScan, Polaroid Insight, Polaroid 2.7.1  Binuscan ,
| Silverfast
| Scanners: LS2000. LS4000. Polaroid 35+
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| >From: "Maris V. Lidaka, Sr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| >Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
| >Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:52:31 -0500
| >
| >The flatness is good - it means that the highlights and shadows have NOT
| >been clipped, and you can set those points wherever you wish in Photoshop
| >or
| >other graphics program.
| >
| >Maris
| >
| >- Original Message -
| >From: "Mikael Risedal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| >Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 6:14 PM
| >Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
| >
| >
| >| Tony
| >| There are something else with VueScan just now if I compare VueScan to
| >| NikonScan and Silverfast. Little bit flat, doll and color less.
| >|
| >| I have send MR Hamrick 3 test pictures scanned by NikonScan, VueScan
and
| >| Silverfast+ LS2000. Nothing more done than dragged to Photoshop and
auto
| >| levels.
| >|
| >| Mikael Risedal
| >|
| >|
| >| >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony Sleep)
| >| >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| >| >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| >| >Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
| >| >Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:15 +0100 (BST)
| >| >
| >| >On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:31:15 -0400  John Bradbury
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
| >| >wrote:
| >| >
| >| > > I also find that the "flatness" you describe is very difficult to
| >| > > correct
| >| >
| >| >In 16 bits, set levels and increase saturation. In 8 bits, you'll
| >probably
| >| >create contouring.
| >| >
| >| >Regards
| >| >
| >| >Tony Sleep
| >| >http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner
| >| >info & comparisons
| >|
| >|
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Re: filmscanners: Skin tones

2001-06-17 Thread Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.

I wish this had been mentioned in the Help files.

Maris

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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones

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| When the "Color|Restore colors" option is enabled, the
| choice of film type in the Color tab is ignored.





Re: filmscanners: Skin tones

2001-06-17 Thread Mikael Risedal

Maris

I think everyone will gain to have a rely good VueScan software. I will. 
(Spec. with negative film ) I understand that you also have done the 
same test as I have with the 3 software's: NikonScan 3.1  VueScan 7.1 and 
Silverfast 5.2. And that you have been looking at:ower all performance , 
  in color, color cast, histogram, contrast, flatness  etc. ??
Please send me some pictures so we can share ouers experience.
I can send you  pictures of  Mac Beth , working situation, studio pictures 
etc.   Showing how different the 3 and even other sofwares as Binuscan are 
reading the same negative. And some are more flat and some are not so lively 
than others.
I will have the best out put from my scanners, not a lot of work
later on in Photoshop.




Best regards
Mikael Risedal
Photographer
Lund Sweden

Owner of  VueScan, NikonScan, Polaroid Insight, Polaroid 2.7.1  Binuscan , 
Silverfast
Scanners: LS2000. LS4000. Polaroid 35+








>From: "Maris V. Lidaka, Sr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
>Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:52:31 -0500
>
>The flatness is good - it means that the highlights and shadows have NOT
>been clipped, and you can set those points wherever you wish in Photoshop 
>or
>other graphics program.
>
>Maris
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Mikael Risedal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 6:14 PM
>Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
>
>
>| Tony
>| There are something else with VueScan just now if I compare VueScan to
>| NikonScan and Silverfast. Little bit flat, doll and color less.
>|
>| I have send MR Hamrick 3 test pictures scanned by NikonScan, VueScan and
>| Silverfast+ LS2000. Nothing more done than dragged to Photoshop and auto
>| levels.
>|
>| Mikael Risedal
>|
>|
>| >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony Sleep)
>| >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>| >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>| >Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
>| >Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:15 +0100 (BST)
>| >
>| >On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:31:15 -0400  John Bradbury ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>| >wrote:
>| >
>| > > I also find that the "flatness" you describe is very difficult to
>| > > correct
>| >
>| >In 16 bits, set levels and increase saturation. In 8 bits, you'll
>probably
>| >create contouring.
>| >
>| >Regards
>| >
>| >Tony Sleep
>| >http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner
>| >info & comparisons
>|
>| _
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>|
>

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Re: filmscanners: Skin tones

2001-06-17 Thread EdHamrick

In a message dated 6/17/2001 1:17:38 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> There are something else with VueScan just now if I compare VueScan to
>  NikonScan and Silverfast. Little bit flat, doll and color less.
>  
>  I have send MR Hamrick 3 test pictures scanned by NikonScan, VueScan and 
>  Silverfast+ LS2000. Nothing more done than dragged to Photoshop and auto 
>  levels.

I think the root of the problem is that VueScan doesn't have
support for Fuji NPH 400 film.  The default settings in VueScan
are basically for Kodak Gold film, and it doesn't seem to match
the Fuji NPH characteristics very well.

You might experiment with the "Color|Restore colors" option.
One of the things this option does is try to figure out the
colors of each of the dye layers and separate out each of
the dye layers.  This often fixes problems both with films
that aren't in the VueScan film table.  However, this option
only works well at high resolutions, where it can see color
changes at the edges of dye clouds.

When the "Color|Restore colors" option is enabled, the
choice of film type in the Color tab is ignored.

The other tricky part of using this option is that is doesn't
affect the preview tab, only the scan tab, since the results
improve as the scan resolution increases.

Regards,
Ed Hamrick



Re: filmscanners: Skin tones

2001-06-17 Thread Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.

The flatness is good - it means that the highlights and shadows have NOT
been clipped, and you can set those points wherever you wish in Photoshop or
other graphics program.

Maris

- Original Message -
From: "Mikael Risedal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones


| Tony
| There are something else with VueScan just now if I compare VueScan to
| NikonScan and Silverfast. Little bit flat, doll and color less.
|
| I have send MR Hamrick 3 test pictures scanned by NikonScan, VueScan and
| Silverfast+ LS2000. Nothing more done than dragged to Photoshop and auto
| levels.
|
| Mikael Risedal
|
|
| >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony Sleep)
| >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| >Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
| >Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:15 +0100 (BST)
| >
| >On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:31:15 -0400  John Bradbury ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
| >wrote:
| >
| > > I also find that the "flatness" you describe is very difficult to
| > > correct
| >
| >In 16 bits, set levels and increase saturation. In 8 bits, you'll
probably
| >create contouring.
| >
| >Regards
| >
| >Tony Sleep
| >http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner
| >info & comparisons
|
| _
| Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
|




Re: filmscanners: Skin tones

2001-06-17 Thread Mikael Risedal

Tony
There are something else with VueScan just now if I compare VueScan to
NikonScan and Silverfast. Little bit flat, doll and color less.

I have send MR Hamrick 3 test pictures scanned by NikonScan, VueScan and 
Silverfast+ LS2000. Nothing more done than dragged to Photoshop and auto 
levels.

Mikael Risedal


>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony Sleep)
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
>Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:15 +0100 (BST)
>
>On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:31:15 -0400  John Bradbury ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>wrote:
>
> > I also find that the "flatness" you describe is very difficult to
> > correct
>
>In 16 bits, set levels and increase saturation. In 8 bits, you'll probably
>create contouring.
>
>Regards
>
>Tony Sleep
>http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner
>info & comparisons

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Re: filmscanners: Skin tones

2001-06-16 Thread Tony Sleep

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:31:15 -0400  John Bradbury ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:

> I also find that the "flatness" you describe is very difficult to 
> correct

In 16 bits, set levels and increase saturation. In 8 bits, you'll probably 
create contouring.

Regards 

Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner 
info & comparisons



Re: filmscanners: Skin tones

2001-06-15 Thread John Bradbury

I'm glad to know it's not just me!
I also find that the "flatness" you describe is very difficult to correct.
John Bradbury
- Original Message - 
From: Mikael Risedal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 3:43 PM
Subject: filmscanners: Skin tones


> John
> I took a negative and did a test on NikonScan 3.1  VueScan 7.1 and
> Silverfast 5.2.  Did a auto calibrating nothing more on SF and NS.
> Yes same results as you have. VueScan looks not dead but more flat and
> blue in the scan picture. Tried different settings i VueScan but the 
> flatness are still there.
> I will send over the pictures to Mr. Hamrikk so he can look
> 
> Mikael Risedal
> Photographer
> Lund Sweden
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 





Re: filmscanners: Skin tones

2001-06-14 Thread Mikael Risedal


I think you can use the 2 software at the side of each other for different 
film readings.
If you need a rely  powerful tool try Silverfast
Best regards
Mikael Risedal
Photographer
Lund Sweden

--



>From: "John Bradbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:08:37 -0400
>
>Hi Mikael
>The "white" background has made the difference. I did make the final prints
>from the Vuescan image, but after working the yellowier nikonscan image in
>Photoshop I get a printable image that is a little warmer.
>The thing I feared was the thought of having to use nikonscan for outdoor
>shots and Vuescan for studio shots.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: Mikael Risedal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:06 PM
>Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones
>
>
> > Hello John
> > I measure both pictures taken indoors of the lady in black hair.
> > That one you think are to yellow are clearly much better
> > to print. Skin tones in CMYK are OK  (little much yellow)
> > The other picture have a magenta cast in the skin tones.   (reddish) 
>This
> > one is not good to print. (in a  for  example newspaper) . Red and 
>magenta
> > are much stronger and skin tones and are a printing problem. A good role
>is
> > to have more yellow than magenta in a skin tone.
> > If you look at the wall behind the person- VueScan read it as gray. Only
>you
> > know if this is right.
> > Take the gray pipette in NikonScan and make a reading from the wall and 
>se
> > what's happens.
> > A common fault in a scanned picture are when  a person are in front of a
> > wall who are white or gray -that the wall often have a cyan cast given
>from
> > the scanner and software.
> > Specially difficult does it get if the scanner software not have a 
>measure
> > point in the negative who are white, black or gray - than there can be
>very
> > strange skin tones.
> > Best way to solve the problem is to take one picture first where the
>person
> > hold a gray scale and color scale in front of them as a reference.
> > Best regards
> > Mikael Risedal
> > Photographer
> > Lund
> > Sweden
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "John Bradbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: filmscanners: Skin tones
> > >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:57:31 -0400
> > >
> > >Using a Nikon LS 3 with both NikonScan 3.1, and the latest version of
> > >Vuescan I find a wide variation in skin tones under different light
>sources
> > >see the images at:
> > >http://www.littlebarn.com/test/index.htm
> > >The film used for both images is Kodak Portra 160 NC. Image 1 is with
> > >studio
> > >lighting, Image 2 is with fill flash.
> > >For printing the outdoor shot I used the Nikonscan image with 
>Autolevels
> > >from PS. The Vuescan image looked dead
> > >For the Studio shot I used the Vuescan image with autolevels. The
>Nikonscan
> > >image is far too yellow
> > >note how the NikonScan is very warm compared to the cold Vuescan image.
> > >John Bradbury
> > >
> >
> > 
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Re: filmscanners: Skin tones

2001-06-14 Thread John Bradbury

Hi Mikael
The "white" background has made the difference. I did make the final prints
from the Vuescan image, but after working the yellowier nikonscan image in
Photoshop I get a printable image that is a little warmer.
The thing I feared was the thought of having to use nikonscan for outdoor
shots and Vuescan for studio shots.

- Original Message -
From: Mikael Risedal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Skin tones


> Hello John
> I measure both pictures taken indoors of the lady in black hair.
> That one you think are to yellow are clearly much better
> to print. Skin tones in CMYK are OK  (little much yellow)
> The other picture have a magenta cast in the skin tones.   (reddish) This
> one is not good to print. (in a  for  example newspaper) . Red and magenta
> are much stronger and skin tones and are a printing problem. A good role
is
> to have more yellow than magenta in a skin tone.
> If you look at the wall behind the person- VueScan read it as gray. Only
you
> know if this is right.
> Take the gray pipette in NikonScan and make a reading from the wall and se
> what's happens.
> A common fault in a scanned picture are when  a person are in front of a
> wall who are white or gray -that the wall often have a cyan cast given
from
> the scanner and software.
> Specially difficult does it get if the scanner software not have a measure
> point in the negative who are white, black or gray - than there can be
very
> strange skin tones.
> Best way to solve the problem is to take one picture first where the
person
> hold a gray scale and color scale in front of them as a reference.
> Best regards
> Mikael Risedal
> Photographer
> Lund
> Sweden
>
>
>
>
> >From: "John Bradbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: filmscanners: Skin tones
> >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:57:31 -0400
> >
> >Using a Nikon LS 3 with both NikonScan 3.1, and the latest version of
> >Vuescan I find a wide variation in skin tones under different light
sources
> >see the images at:
> >http://www.littlebarn.com/test/index.htm
> >The film used for both images is Kodak Portra 160 NC. Image 1 is with
> >studio
> >lighting, Image 2 is with fill flash.
> >For printing the outdoor shot I used the Nikonscan image with Autolevels
> >from PS. The Vuescan image looked dead
> >For the Studio shot I used the Vuescan image with autolevels. The
Nikonscan
> >image is far too yellow
> >note how the NikonScan is very warm compared to the cold Vuescan image.
> >John Bradbury
> >
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Re: filmscanners: Skin tones

2001-06-13 Thread Mikael Risedal

Hello John
I measure both pictures taken indoors of the lady in black hair.
That one you think are to yellow are clearly much better
to print. Skin tones in CMYK are OK  (little much yellow)
The other picture have a magenta cast in the skin tones.   (reddish) This 
one is not good to print. (in a  for  example newspaper) . Red and magenta 
are much stronger and skin tones and are a printing problem. A good role is 
to have more yellow than magenta in a skin tone.
If you look at the wall behind the person- VueScan read it as gray. Only you 
know if this is right.
Take the gray pipette in NikonScan and make a reading from the wall and se 
what's happens.
A common fault in a scanned picture are when  a person are in front of a 
wall who are white or gray -that the wall often have a cyan cast given from 
the scanner and software.
Specially difficult does it get if the scanner software not have a measure 
point in the negative who are white, black or gray - than there can be very 
strange skin tones.
Best way to solve the problem is to take one picture first where the person 
hold a gray scale and color scale in front of them as a reference.
Best regards
Mikael Risedal
Photographer
Lund
Sweden




>From: "John Bradbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: filmscanners: Skin tones
>Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:57:31 -0400
>
>Using a Nikon LS 3 with both NikonScan 3.1, and the latest version of
>Vuescan I find a wide variation in skin tones under different light sources
>see the images at:
>http://www.littlebarn.com/test/index.htm
>The film used for both images is Kodak Portra 160 NC. Image 1 is with 
>studio
>lighting, Image 2 is with fill flash.
>For printing the outdoor shot I used the Nikonscan image with Autolevels
>from PS. The Vuescan image looked dead
>For the Studio shot I used the Vuescan image with autolevels. The Nikonscan
>image is far too yellow
>note how the NikonScan is very warm compared to the cold Vuescan image.
>John Bradbury
>

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