Re: filmscanners: film scanner software
But for graphics there is nothing like a Solux - SoLux is a patented light source that emits a beam of natural daylight for optimal color rendering properties. SoLux is currently available as a 50 watt , 12 volt lamp in a standard MR-16 format. It emits daylight at correlated color temperatures of 3500K(± 200K), 4100K(± 200K), and 4700K (± 200K). SoLux has a lifetime of 3000 hours, unsurpassed color rendering indices, (see spectral power distribution curves) and ultra-low ultraviolet and infrared radiation. http://www.soluxtli.com/ Maris - Original Message - From: "Oostrom, Jerry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:06 AM Subject: RE: filmscanners: film scanner software | Did you know that there are examples of lightbulbs with a special kind of | light: darkness! | I know I have one! | Let me just post you 2 of the 27 URLs, this will leave only 69 posts to | follow! | | http://www.lightresource.com/dksk-02.html | | actually, the second one seems to disagree with this (ahhh ... science!): | | http://paul.merton.ox.ac.uk/science/darksucker.html | | | | > -Original Message- | > From: Mystic [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 10:21 AM | > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > Subject: Re: filmscanners: film scanner software | > | > Re: Flame War | > | > How many list members does it take to change a light bulb??? | > | > Answer: 578. | > | > 1 to change the light bulb and post to the list that the light bulb has | > been changed. | > | [Oostrom, Jerry] [] | > 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs. | > | > 44 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected | > URLs. | > | >
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Did you know that there are examples of lightbulbs with a special kind of light: darkness! I know I have one! Let me just post you 2 of the 27 URLs, this will leave only 69 posts to follow! http://www.lightresource.com/dksk-02.html actually, the second one seems to disagree with this (ahhh ... science!): http://paul.merton.ox.ac.uk/science/darksucker.html > -Original Message- > From: Mystic [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 10:21 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: filmscanners: film scanner software > > Re: Flame War > > How many list members does it take to change a light bulb??? > > Answer: 578. > > 1 to change the light bulb and post to the list that the light bulb has > been changed. > [Oostrom, Jerry] [] > 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs. > > 44 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected > URLs. > >
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Mikael, I do believe you initiated this discussion. Maris - Original Message - From: "Mikael Risedal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 7:41 AM Subject: RE: filmscanners: film scanner software | | Lynn Allen | | I hope to have a relevant discussions about scanner subjects. | I believe that some subject should have a own under group. | | Best regards | Mikael | | | -- | | | >From: Lynn Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | >Subject: RE: filmscanners: film scanner software | >Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 17:13:07 -0400 (EDT) | > | > >VueScan are (also in my opinion for beginners) but if you are concern to | >learn how to scan pictures try a "pro software" and see who much more you | >can get out from your negative or slides. | > >Mikael Risedal | > >Lund | > >Sweden | > | >Mikael, your point is (and should be) well taken. But this is also a little | >like saying, "The best car you can buy is a Bentley"--not that a Loyal | >Swede | >would ever *say* that! ;-) | > | >The "sad fact" is that many of us are not yet in the "Bentley" class, nor | >even in the "Saab" class. We have to get our *scanning* done with a little | >less technology, as it were. Is it "laziness?" No, I don't think so. I | >probably work harder to get good scans out of my Scanwit than most people | >do | >to get *any* scans out of higher-priced scanners. If I were making | >"serious" | >money doing it, I'd certainly have to invest serious money in a better | >scanner and software. | > | >But I don't, I can't, and so I'll listen carefully when people have better | >ideas about how to make my "Chevy" run better. :-) That may account for all | >the discussion on Vuescan, too. I may be a "beginner," but don't let it | >fool | >you. | > | >Best regards--LRA | > | > | >--- | >FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com | >Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com | > | > | | _ | Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. | |
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Lynn Allen I hope to have a relevant discussions about scanner subjects. I believe that some subject should have a own under group. Best regards Mikael -- >From: Lynn Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: filmscanners: film scanner software >Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 17:13:07 -0400 (EDT) > > >VueScan are (also in my opinion for beginners) but if you are concern to >learn how to scan pictures try a "pro software" and see who much more you >can get out from your negative or slides. > >Mikael Risedal > >Lund > >Sweden > >Mikael, your point is (and should be) well taken. But this is also a little >like saying, "The best car you can buy is a Bentley"--not that a Loyal >Swede >would ever *say* that! ;-) > >The "sad fact" is that many of us are not yet in the "Bentley" class, nor >even in the "Saab" class. We have to get our *scanning* done with a little >less technology, as it were. Is it "laziness?" No, I don't think so. I >probably work harder to get good scans out of my Scanwit than most people >do >to get *any* scans out of higher-priced scanners. If I were making >"serious" >money doing it, I'd certainly have to invest serious money in a better >scanner and software. > >But I don't, I can't, and so I'll listen carefully when people have better >ideas about how to make my "Chevy" run better. :-) That may account for all >the discussion on Vuescan, too. I may be a "beginner," but don't let it >fool >you. > >Best regards--LRA > > >--- >FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com >Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
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>VueScan are (also in my opinion for beginners) but if you are concern to learn how to scan pictures try a "pro software" and see who much more you can get out from your negative or slides. >Mikael Risedal >Lund >Sweden Mikael, your point is (and should be) well taken. But this is also a little like saying, "The best car you can buy is a Bentley"--not that a Loyal Swede would ever *say* that! ;-) The "sad fact" is that many of us are not yet in the "Bentley" class, nor even in the "Saab" class. We have to get our *scanning* done with a little less technology, as it were. Is it "laziness?" No, I don't think so. I probably work harder to get good scans out of my Scanwit than most people do to get *any* scans out of higher-priced scanners. If I were making "serious" money doing it, I'd certainly have to invest serious money in a better scanner and software. But I don't, I can't, and so I'll listen carefully when people have better ideas about how to make my "Chevy" run better. :-) That may account for all the discussion on Vuescan, too. I may be a "beginner," but don't let it fool you. Best regards--LRA --- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com
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- Original Message - From: "Tony Sleep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 6:18 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: film scanner software > - SilverFast : designed for heavy-duty production use, without any > requirement for Photoshop manipulation. If you spend all day every day > scanning dozens of originals, it makes perfect sense. Consequently > powerful, hard to learn, and expensive. Fast and good for experts, > otherwise just plain difficult and confusing. > Silverfast does have good quality data manipulation, but has far as I can make out you can't set it up to do multiple scans unless you use auto-mode adjust mode which rather defeats the object. I would hve tought an expert would want to pre-scan all his images. Tweak them all individually and do all the final scans while you go do something else. Sadly it doesn't let you do this unless you use HDR mode for the scanning and then post process the HDR output files from disk. From what I see not much different to doing all the processing in PS. The thing I like best compared to PS is the curves function that easily allows the manipulation of differnt sections of the curve without having to click the other part to stop it moving as well. The colour correction bits are very complex but as I'm using slides and more importantly colour blind I try not to ever tweak particular colours because I usually miss the nasty side effects - until someone points to someone and says "he must been really ill to look that green". > > - Vuescan : replacement for OE scanning softwares, often extending scanner > capabilities. Strange UI belies a lot of power which works best at getting > the maximum into the scan rather than finally correcting it, which is > better done in PS 16 bit mode after approximate VS adjustments. > Consequently slow 2-stage workflow for is for control freaks, but with > excellent scan quality potential. This isn't thst slow if you are simultaneously scanning and processing and not much different to Silverfast HDR raw scans. Steve
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And, of course, this comedic story is an old one that has been circulating the internet for years. It seems to capture the character of all public internet interactions with good natured satire; but does little to prevent the problem. :-) But thanks for sharing old jokes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mystic Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 3:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: film scanner software Re: Flame War How many list members does it take to change a light bulb??? Answer: 578. 1 to change the light bulb and post to the list that the light bulb has been changed. 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently. 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs. 53 to flame the spell checkers. 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this list. 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts ARE relevant to this list. 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs. 44 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs. 33 to summarize ALL posts to date, then quote them (including all the headers and footers of course) and then add "Me too." 19 to quote the "Me toos" to say, "Me three." 52 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy. ô¿ô Mike
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>If you are trying to learn how to scan a picture from >negative or slides the only good software in my opinions are Silverfast That is your opinion; but obviously, the people you are referring to do not share your opinion and do think that the software is worth discussing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mikael Risedal Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 10:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: filmscanners: film scanner software About software and film scanner I cant understand why people are discussion a software like VueScan so much in this group. .If you are trying to learn how to scan a picture from negative or slides the only good software in my opinions are Silverfast, ( and some thimes the shipping manufactories software to your scanner.) If you are looking after a good automatic calculating software try Binuscan. If I order a Porsche I take it with manual stick handling, not automatic and try to learn how I can get the best out of the car. It seems that loot of people are to lazy to learn the basic rolls of film scanning and think VueScan are something they can relay on. VueScan are (also in my opinion for beginners) but if you are concern to learn how to scan pictures try a "pro software" and see who much more you can get out from your negative or slides. Mikael Risedal Lund Sweden _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
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On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 22:47:18 Mikael Risedal ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I cant understand why people are discussion a software like VueScan so > much in this group. .If you are trying to learn how to scan a picture > from negative or slides the only good software in my opinions are > Silverfast, ( and some thimes the shipping manufactories software to > your scanner.) If you are looking after a good automatic calculating > software try Binuscan. Yes, I have both here, have worked extensively with both, and - with colour neg - generally manage to get the best scan via Vuescan, with less effort and better consistency. The way I see it is:- - SilverFast : designed for heavy-duty production use, without any requirement for Photoshop manipulation. If you spend all day every day scanning dozens of originals, it makes perfect sense. Consequently powerful, hard to learn, and expensive. Fast and good for experts, otherwise just plain difficult and confusing. - Binuscan : very clever software mainly aimed at producing superior CMYK seps without going anywhere near PS. If only art eds would accept them! Specialist, idiosyncratic, expensive, and the bundled cut-down Photoperfect can produce very good RGB, or disappointingly overcontrasty, oversaturated, oversharpened, probably due to optimisation for pre-press. Not much control over the result via the buried parameter settings. Comes close to being a one-button autopilot software, with some clever CC algorithms. - Vuescan : replacement for OE scanning softwares, often extending scanner capabilities. Strange UI belies a lot of power which works best at getting the maximum into the scan rather than finally correcting it, which is better done in PS 16 bit mode after approximate VS adjustments. Consequently slow 2-stage workflow for is for control freaks, but with excellent scan quality potential. Quick/dirty 8 bit scans can be better or worse than OE software, but this isn't the best way to use VS. Desperately cheap, and rapidly evolving. All 3 have UI's which can provoke shock and bewilderment in the naive user, and I think most beginners would do best to work with OE software - which mostly doesn't look like a flight deck from a UFO - until they begin to sense the limitations. Regards Tony Sleep http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner info & comparisons
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I have just done some new samples using the latest versions of Vuescan, Scan Wizard Pro and Silverfast and a new webpage to go with them. All the samples use Adobe RGB (1998) colour space. I have noticed that IE5.5 seems to display some of the JPEGs poorly so for a proper comparison you may have to use "save as" http://www.greenbank.themutual.net/artixscan4000_new.htm It would appear Silverfast colour is better than before. Yellow still not too good but overall I think it does produce the best images. The colours are smother, the grey is more neutral and it appears to be slightly sharper (lack of noise ?). I have included a Silverfast HDR image which I opened in Photoshop by assigning the Silverfast calibration file and converting to local RGB. This appears to be a good way to acquire 48 bit data into PS from Silverfast where you only have the Ai module and not the HDR module (even more expense). Steve
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Mikael Risedal wrote: > Silverfast has options for raw data 10. 12 bit > The new update 5.2 are (in my opinion) improved in colors > (not so red , more neutral) and are smother in shadows (more details) then > before. > > Mikael Risedal > Is it known whether Silverfast will support the LS 4000 ED? Thanks Jeremy
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Silverfast has options for raw data 10. 12 bit The new update 5.2 are (in my opinion) improved in colors (not so red , more neutral) and are smother in shadows (more details) then before. Mikael Risedal -- >From: "Steve Greenbank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: filmscanners: film scanner software >Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 09:13:17 +0100 > > > > "Mikael Risedal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > VueScan are (also in my opinion for beginners) but if you are concern >to > > > learn how to scan pictures try a "pro software" and see who much >more > > > you can get out from your negative or slides. > > > > That's a big assumption about how much money people have to throw >around, > > isn't it? > >Yes, definitely. > > > If I can get good results with Vuescan for US$40 why would I want > > to buy Silverfast just to "try" it?? Silverfast won't give me 10 bits >per > > channel from my LS30. > >I suspect Silverfast can. I have recently, I think, found away to extract >raw 48bit scans for Silverfast Ai in a way that allows you to later process >the file in Photoshop. This makes Silverfast an expensive way to read the >data but I did get it bundled with my scanner. The great thing about >working >this way is I can avoid learning how to use 2 pieces of software. I need to >use photoshop with the digicam so now PS can do most operatioons with 48 >bit >images why should I bother to learn how to process using the scanner >software ? (I use mostly slides - colour cast removal from negs could be >tricky in PS). > > > Yes, I know you can get a demo of Silverfast, but IMO it's a > > sufficiently complex piece of software that it's difficult to judge from >the > > demo whether it would be worth buying. > >You can make a judgement but you would have to invest quite a lot of time. >Given the asking price I think many people will give up on the grounds that >if costs that much it should be easy to use. > >I don't think it is. > >Yes, there are some options in Silverfast that would allow an expert >unparalleled control of the image , but (IMHO) you need months (at the very >least) of Silverfast scanning experience just to get your head round them. > >Things aren't helped by the documentation that appears to be comprehensive, >but I can rarely find the bit that helps me. The tutorials at >www.computer-darkroom.com (thanks Ian) have been much more useful. I think >the Silverfast manuals are the only software manuals I've bothered to read >- >and I'm still struggling! > >Scan Wizard Pro is much easier and intuitive and you can perform different >adjustments for each image when batch scanning. Silverfast appears to apply >the same settings to everything in batch mode - so it's auto adjust or >forget it. > >I put some E6 samples I made in July 2000 on my then new Artixscan 4000. At >the time it was suggested that the Silverfast image was best. I'm not so >convinced it's so clear cut now. The silverfast colours are iffy but the >Scan Wizard pro have too much contrast. Which is better ? Interestingly, >Vuescan seems to do better than Scan Wizard Pro on the contrast and better >than Silverfast on the colours. Have a look and see what you think? > >http://www.greenbank.themutual.net/artixscan4000.htm > >If there is any interest I'll redo the images. I am sure the results out of >Silverfast are better. I haven't re-tried the Scan Wizard Pro or Vuescan >recently. > > > Silverfast filmscanners who have Silverfast got it bundled with the >scanner. > > > > At least in Australia, OEM bundles are nowhere near as generous as in >the > > USA. > > I don't know what the comparison with Europe is like. > > >I'm in the UK and generally we get "done over" too. Bundles are less or >there is no cashback offer or it costs more. Frequently it's all three! > >Steve > _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
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"Steve Greenbank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > use photoshop with the digicam so now PS can do most operatioons with 48 bit > images why should I bother to learn how to process using the scanner > software ? (I use mostly slides - colour cast removal from negs could be > tricky in PS). Hm, but Vuescan would be a much cheaper way to get the source data. > You can make a judgement but you would have to invest quite a lot of time. > Given the asking price I think many people will give up on the grounds that > if costs that much it should be easy to use. > I don't think it is. I had a quick look at the demo and that's what I suspected. > http://www.greenbank.themutual.net/artixscan4000.htm The results you got from Silverfast certainly look pretty poor. > I'm in the UK and generally we get "done over" too. Bundles are less or > there is no cashback offer or it costs more. Frequently it's all three! Ah, we've all got to move to the USA I guess. ;) Rob
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Re: Flame War How many list members does it take to change a light bulb??? Answer: 578. 1 to change the light bulb and post to the list that the light bulb has been changed. 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently. 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs. 53 to flame the spell checkers. 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this list. 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts ARE relevant to this list. 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs. 44 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs. 33 to summarize ALL posts to date, then quote them (including all the headers and footers of course) and then add "Me too." 19 to quote the "Me toos" to say, "Me three." 52 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy. ô¿ô Mike
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> "Mikael Risedal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > VueScan are (also in my opinion for beginners) but if you are concern to > > learn how to scan pictures try a "pro software" and see who much more > > you can get out from your negative or slides. > > That's a big assumption about how much money people have to throw around, > isn't it? Yes, definitely. > If I can get good results with Vuescan for US$40 why would I want > to buy Silverfast just to "try" it?? Silverfast won't give me 10 bits per > channel from my LS30. I suspect Silverfast can. I have recently, I think, found away to extract raw 48bit scans for Silverfast Ai in a way that allows you to later process the file in Photoshop. This makes Silverfast an expensive way to read the data but I did get it bundled with my scanner. The great thing about working this way is I can avoid learning how to use 2 pieces of software. I need to use photoshop with the digicam so now PS can do most operatioons with 48 bit images why should I bother to learn how to process using the scanner software ? (I use mostly slides - colour cast removal from negs could be tricky in PS). > Yes, I know you can get a demo of Silverfast, but IMO it's a > sufficiently complex piece of software that it's difficult to judge from the > demo whether it would be worth buying. You can make a judgement but you would have to invest quite a lot of time. Given the asking price I think many people will give up on the grounds that if costs that much it should be easy to use. I don't think it is. Yes, there are some options in Silverfast that would allow an expert unparalleled control of the image , but (IMHO) you need months (at the very least) of Silverfast scanning experience just to get your head round them. Things aren't helped by the documentation that appears to be comprehensive, but I can rarely find the bit that helps me. The tutorials at www.computer-darkroom.com (thanks Ian) have been much more useful. I think the Silverfast manuals are the only software manuals I've bothered to read - and I'm still struggling! Scan Wizard Pro is much easier and intuitive and you can perform different adjustments for each image when batch scanning. Silverfast appears to apply the same settings to everything in batch mode - so it's auto adjust or forget it. I put some E6 samples I made in July 2000 on my then new Artixscan 4000. At the time it was suggested that the Silverfast image was best. I'm not so convinced it's so clear cut now. The silverfast colours are iffy but the Scan Wizard pro have too much contrast. Which is better ? Interestingly, Vuescan seems to do better than Scan Wizard Pro on the contrast and better than Silverfast on the colours. Have a look and see what you think? http://www.greenbank.themutual.net/artixscan4000.htm If there is any interest I'll redo the images. I am sure the results out of Silverfast are better. I haven't re-tried the Scan Wizard Pro or Vuescan recently. > Silverfast filmscanners who have Silverfast got it bundled with the scanner. > > At least in Australia, OEM bundles are nowhere near as generous as in the > USA. > I don't know what the comparison with Europe is like. > I'm in the UK and generally we get "done over" too. Bundles are less or there is no cashback offer or it costs more. Frequently it's all three! Steve
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Friends, it is my convintion ... this guy is Dicky Corbett ! ... A Swedish would NEVER take such a set of statements (IMHO). Sincerely. Ezio www.lucenti.com e-photography site - Original Message - From: "Dale & Gail" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 3:16 AM Subject: Re: filmscanners: film scanner software > Mikael , Mikael, Mikael :)) > > You jest. > > Dale Kaechler > Canada > > - Original Message - > From: "Mikael Risedal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 10:47 PM > Subject: filmscanners: film scanner software > > > > About software and film scanner > > I cant understand why people are discussion a software like VueScan so > much > > in this group. .If you are trying to learn how to scan a picture from > > negative or slides the only good software in my opinions are > Silverfast, > > ( and some thimes the shipping manufactories software to your scanner.) If > > you are looking after a good automatic calculating software try Binuscan. > > If I order a Porsche I take it with manual stick handling, not automatic > and > > try to learn how I can get the best out of the car. It seems that loot of > > people are to lazy to learn the basic rolls of film scanning and think > > VueScan are something they can relay on. > > VueScan are (also in my opinion for beginners) but if you are concern to > > learn how to scan pictures try a "pro software" and see who much more > > you can get out from your negative or slides. > > Mikael Risedal > > Lund > > Sweden > >
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Mikael: As I stated in a previous post, some of us used Vuescan, some Silverfast, some Binuscan, some Canonscan, and so on and on. I am sure that each of us has a preference. Then there are those who use a certain software that they feel does a better job with negatives, so they use that for negatives and a different one for tranneys, and vice versa. Some want ICE some do not, and some even use Photoshop for all of it. The point is that as long as each of us understands the shot comings and strengths of their software and uses them appropriately, I am sure we will receive the type of images we desire, whether we are amateurs or pros at scanning. The great thing about this list is that it is informative about many aspects of scanning and even on some peripheral topics that may even be "off topic" to the list. If we do not want to read about Silverfast, Vuescan, Binuscan, or any other topic, the mouse or the delete key allow us move on to a topic that we want to read about. If we want to learn as much as we can from the group, we can read about things in other software or hardware packages and see if we want to try to apply them to our software or hardware. We may even decide to buy one and try it out. Whether we want to continue on in ignorant blissa nd continue to use our "amateur software" is really our business. Besides, we my feel we are getting better results from our package or maybe that we do not wish to buy another one. Please not let us get into another flame war like the one about the (dare I say it), the Mac and the PC. Gordon Mikael Risedal wrote: > About software and film scanner > I cant understand why people are discussion a software like VueScan so much > in this group. .If you are trying to learn how to scan a picture from > negative or slides the only good software in my opinions are Silverfast, > ( and some thimes the shipping manufactories software to your scanner.) If > you are looking after a good automatic calculating software try Binuscan. > If I order a Porsche I take it with manual stick handling, not automatic and > try to learn how I can get the best out of the car. It seems that loot of > people are to lazy to learn the basic rolls of film scanning and think > VueScan are something they can relay on. > VueScan are (also in my opinion for beginners) but if you are concern to > learn how to scan pictures try a "pro software" and see who much more > you can get out from your negative or slides. > Mikael Risedal > Lund > Sweden > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
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Mikael: you may want to check your e-mail service. It seems we are getting 2 or more of each of your posts. Gordon Mikael Risedal wrote: > About software and film scanner > I cant understand why people are discussion a software like VueScan so much > in this group. .If you are trying to learn how to scan a picture from > negative or slides the only good software in my opinions are Silverfast, > ( and some thimes the shipping manufactories software to your scanner.) If > you are looking after a good automatic calculating software try Binuscan. > If I order a Porsche I take it with manual stick handling, not automatic and > try to learn how I can get the best out of the car. It seems that loot of > people are to lazy to learn the basic rolls of film scanning and think > VueScan are something they can relay on. > VueScan are (also in my opinion for beginners) but if you are concern to > learn how to scan pictures try a "pro software" and see who much more > you can get out from your negative or slides. > Mikael Risedal > Lund > Sweden > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
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Mikael writes ... > I cant understand why people are discussion a software like VueScan so much > in this group. ... > VueScan are (also in my opinion for beginners) but if you are concern to > learn how to scan pictures try a "pro software" ... IMHO "Silverfast", and other softwares designed to offer all the RGB manipulation before the scan, are for taking the scanned image directly to the printer. Vuescan, on the other hand, is for those of us who rather archive the scanned RGB and have Photoshop do all the heavy lifting. Afterall, Photoshop provides much better tools than does Silverfast. The only thing "pro" about Silverfast is the price. my US$0.02 ... shAf :o)
Re: filmscanners: film scanner software
Mikael , Mikael, Mikael :)) You jest. Dale Kaechler Canada - Original Message - From: "Mikael Risedal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: filmscanners: film scanner software > About software and film scanner > I cant understand why people are discussion a software like VueScan so much > in this group. .If you are trying to learn how to scan a picture from > negative or slides the only good software in my opinions are Silverfast, > ( and some thimes the shipping manufactories software to your scanner.) If > you are looking after a good automatic calculating software try Binuscan. > If I order a Porsche I take it with manual stick handling, not automatic and > try to learn how I can get the best out of the car. It seems that loot of > people are to lazy to learn the basic rolls of film scanning and think > VueScan are something they can relay on. > VueScan are (also in my opinion for beginners) but if you are concern to > learn how to scan pictures try a "pro software" and see who much more > you can get out from your negative or slides. > Mikael Risedal > Lund > Sweden
Re: filmscanners: film scanner software
Michael, IMHO Vuescan is more the Porsche - it's settings are much more difficult to master. But, like the Porsche, once you do understand it, it will do exactly what you ask of it. We discuss it because we use it and it is complex, yet when set properly makes the workflow much smoother, faster and yet more accurate. Believe me when I say we do appreciate its shortcomings, and we also respect and use both Silverfast and the various manufacturers' software. Just my opinion. Maris - Original Message - From: "Mikael Risedal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: filmscanners: film scanner software | About software and film scanner | I cant understand why people are discussion a software like VueScan so much | in this group. .If you are trying to learn how to scan a picture from | negative or slides the only good software in my opinions are Silverfast, | ( and some thimes the shipping manufactories software to your scanner.) If | you are looking after a good automatic calculating software try Binuscan. | If I order a Porsche I take it with manual stick handling, not automatic and | try to learn how I can get the best out of the car. It seems that loot of | people are to lazy to learn the basic rolls of film scanning and think | VueScan are something they can relay on. | VueScan are (also in my opinion for beginners) but if you are concern to | learn how to scan pictures try a "pro software" and see who much more | you can get out from your negative or slides. | Mikael Risedal | Lund | Sweden | | | _ | Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. |
Re: filmscanners: film scanner software
"Mikael Risedal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > VueScan are (also in my opinion for beginners) but if you are concern to > learn how to scan pictures try a "pro software" and see who much more > you can get out from your negative or slides. That's a big assumption about how much money people have to throw around, isn't it? If I can get good results with Vuescan for US$40 why would I want to buy Silverfast just to "try" it?? Silverfast won't give me 10 bits per channel from my LS30. Yes, I know you can get a demo of Silverfast, but IMO it's a sufficiently complex piece of software that it's difficult to judge from the demo whether it would be worth buying. I'd imagine that most of the people with filmscanners who have Silverfast got it bundled with the scanner. At least in Australia, OEM bundles are nowhere near as generous as in the USA. I don't know what the comparison with Europe is like. Rob
