Re: filmscanners: RE: filmscanners: SS120: Reflections on edge of neg
> Rob Geraghty wrote: > > > Wouldn't you need something matte - like a black matte paint for plastic > > models? Magic marker ink might not take enough shine out of the plastic. > > Yeah, maybe. But a few years ago when I had this problem with 4x5 film > (I had a reflection about 1/4" into the film on the left side), the > magic marker method worked. I'm starting to have it again with a couple > of holders and I'm going to try it again. > > Barbara > Barbara White/Architectural Photography > http://www.barbarawhitephoto.com Magic marker should be adequate if the "reflective" area isn't smooth. A little roughing up with fine grit sandpaper (or even a nail file) would do the trick. Dave
Re: filmscanners: SS120: Reflections on edge of neg
Most solvents, and things like markers tend to melt the plastic leaving a relatively glossy result. I would suggest people needing to create a non-reflective surface on most plastics should use some 3M "wet or dry" " silicone carbide paper. This stuff is gray black in color usually, is sold in all hardware, auto body supply and paint and plastic fabricating stores, and comes is "grit" sizes between about 200 all the way up to several thousand. The larger the number, the smaller (finer) the grit, and the less deep the scratches. I'd suggest about a 500 to 700 grit to dull the surface without removing or scratching much of the plastic. If that isn't rough enough, try 360 to 400 grit. You need very small pieces of the sheet to do minor sanding. So a quarter sheet would be plenty big enough, since the stuff is more costly than sandpaper (a few bucks a full sheet, depending upon grit size). Art Hemingway, David J wrote: > I was thinking of trying a Qtip dipped in acetone and run it along the two > vertical edges. > David > > -Original Message- > From: Barbara White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:07 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject:filmscanners: SS120: Reflections on edge of neg > > Well, I tried the magic marker along the edges, both on the edges of the > carrier, and on the carrier cover, also. Sorry to say, it didn't work. > > So, I guess I'm not going to worry about it, but would be really curious > to know what to do about it, should I want to. > > Barbara White > > Barbara White/Architectural Photography > http://www.barbarawhitephoto.com > > . > >
RE: filmscanners: SS120: Reflections on edge of neg
I was thinking of trying a Qtip dipped in acetone and run it along the two vertical edges. David -Original Message- From: Barbara White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:filmscanners: SS120: Reflections on edge of neg Well, I tried the magic marker along the edges, both on the edges of the carrier, and on the carrier cover, also. Sorry to say, it didn't work. So, I guess I'm not going to worry about it, but would be really curious to know what to do about it, should I want to. Barbara White Barbara White/Architectural Photography http://www.barbarawhitephoto.com
Re: filmscanners: RE: filmscanners: SS120: Reflections on edge of neg
Rob Geraghty wrote: > Wouldn't you need something matte - like a black matte paint for plastic > models? Magic marker ink might not take enough shine out of the plastic. Yeah, maybe. But a few years ago when I had this problem with 4x5 film (I had a reflection about 1/4" into the film on the left side), the magic marker method worked. I'm starting to have it again with a couple of holders and I'm going to try it again. Barbara Barbara White/Architectural Photography http://www.barbarawhitephoto.com
filmscanners: RE: filmscanners: SS120: Reflections on edge of neg
Barbara wrote: > Well, I tried the magic marker along the edges, both on the > edges of the carrier, and on the carrier cover, also. Sorry > to say, it didn't work. Wouldn't you need something matte - like a black matte paint for plastic models? Magic marker ink might not take enough shine out of the plastic. I've seen some sort of edge effects with some slides on my LS30 but it's a while since I scanned mounted slides. Rob Rob Geraghty [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wordweb.com
RE: filmscanners: SS120: Reflections on edge of neg
Magic markers really don't provide a non-reflective surface on a smooth surface...so I don't believe that would really solve the problem. > Well, I tried the magic marker along the edges, both on the edges of the > carrier, and on the carrier cover, also. Sorry to say, it didn't work. > > So, I guess I'm not going to worry about it, but would be really curious > to know what to do about it, should I want to. > > Barbara White > > Barbara White/Architectural Photography > http://www.barbarawhitephoto.com
filmscanners: SS120: Reflections on edge of neg
Well, I tried the magic marker along the edges, both on the edges of the carrier, and on the carrier cover, also. Sorry to say, it didn't work. So, I guess I'm not going to worry about it, but would be really curious to know what to do about it, should I want to. Barbara White Barbara White/Architectural Photography http://www.barbarawhitephoto.com
Re: filmscanners: SS120: Reflections on edge of neg
Paul, does "only one shot at a time" mean that you will have to cut all your neg strips? Or is it just that you can only SCAN one at a time which is not so dramatic given the slower speed of MF scanning and the incredible amount of data... Its interesting what you have to say about the carriers... So do you feel that film flatness is no problem with the Multi Pro? Another question: What do you think about the Minolta and b&w negatives (one strength of the Polaroid 120 as it seems)? This is what I will do quite a lot on the scanner of my choice... Did you try it out? How about shadow detail and contrast on these? Greetings Bernhard - Original Message - From: Wilson, Paul To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 8:31 PM Subject: RE: filmscanners: SS120: Reflections on edge of neg Stylistically, I'd call the Minolta boring rather than ugly but it's made out of metal whereas the Polaroid is at least partially plastic. The Minolta is also A LOT smaller and quieter than the Polaroid. Neither effect scan quality but they do make living with the scanner easier. Also, the Minolta's non-glass carrier does a better job with curled film than the Polaroid's due to the way it holds the film. The downside to the carrier is that you can only scan one shot on a strip at a time. Anyway, I'm really happy with the Minolta.
RE: filmscanners: SS120: Reflections on edge of neg
Stylistically, I'd call the Minolta boring rather than ugly but it's made out of metal whereas the Polaroid is at least partially plastic. The Minolta is also A LOT smaller and quieter than the Polaroid. Neither effect scan quality but they do make living with the scanner easier. Also, the Minolta's non-glass carrier does a better job with curled film than the Polaroid's due to the way it holds the film. The downside to the carrier is that you can only scan one shot on a strip at a time. Anyway, I'm really happy with the Minolta. Paul Wilson -Original Message-From: Bernie Ess [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:16 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: filmscanners: SS120: Reflections on edge of neg Roger, thank you for your reflexions, you say that the Pola 120 "it is one of the best medium format film scanners the average photographer can currently afford" - indeed there are basically no more than 3 affordable MF scanners at all: The Nikon, the SS120 and the Minolta Multi Pro. I agree that the Nikon is uninteresting because of the banding problem, but I just don´t like the idea that you get reflexions on the scans of a 3000$scanner - this is a problem not because it is so difficult to avoid, but simply because it is poorly thought out or constructed. And that would make a 53mm scanner out of a 56mm one - maybe I am considering it more dramatical than it actually is, but I don´t like basic problems due to a poor design in expensive machines... Now you say that you never noticed that - which is at least a good sign! I wait for Barbaras feedback. My reflexion is simple: So far I have only heard and read excellent reviews and opinions about the Minolta (unlike the LS-8000): It is a little bit cheaper than the Polaroid in Germany, has ICE for Color negs, a higher resolution for 35mm, glass carriers for badly curled film and is also supported by VueScan. In one respect the Polaroid wins very clearly: its much more stylish and nice to look at - the minolta is an horribly ugly plastic box! In other words: My feeling says Polaroid, my mind says "Minolta" :-) But I won´t buy before January anyway - warranty regulations will change in Germany and lead to a much longer warranty from 01/01/2002 on. greetings Bernhard - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:51 AM Subject: Re: filmscanners: SS120: Reflections on edge of neg From everything I've read about the Polaroid SprintScan 120, and from my own experience, it is one of the best medium format film scanners the average photographer can currently afford. It would be a shame for you to pass up such a fine scanner based solely on this argument. I've never noticed any reflections while scanning, but then I would never have a reason to try to crop that close to the edge of the film for the type of work that I do (fashion and glamour of people). You have to remember that few medium format shooters frame as tightly as they would if shooting 35 mm. Don't bite off your nose to spite your face. If a scanner does a nearly perfect job of scanning 95 percent of the film frame (which is probably about the area of coverage you saw in the viewfinder when you took the photograph, anyway), why would you want a different scanner that might cause banding, has poor software, causes 60 p! ercent of the image to be out of focus, has noise in the shadow areas, has less resolution, or has some other major shortcoming. I don't know anything about the Minolta Pro; it might be a fine scanner. But the SS120 has a solid reputation and I wouldn't eliminate it from contention unless you had a more significant reason.
Re: filmscanners: SS120: Reflections on edge of neg
Roger, thank you for your reflexions, you say that the Pola 120 "it is one of the best medium format film scanners the average photographer can currently afford" - indeed there are basically no more than 3 affordable MF scanners at all: The Nikon, the SS120 and the Minolta Multi Pro. I agree that the Nikon is uninteresting because of the banding problem, but I just don´t like the idea that you get reflexions on the scans of a 3000$scanner - this is a problem not because it is so difficult to avoid, but simply because it is poorly thought out or constructed. And that would make a 53mm scanner out of a 56mm one - maybe I am considering it more dramatical than it actually is, but I don´t like basic problems due to a poor design in expensive machines... Now you say that you never noticed that - which is at least a good sign! I wait for Barbaras feedback. My reflexion is simple: So far I have only heard and read excellent reviews and opinions about the Minolta (unlike the LS-8000): It is a little bit cheaper than the Polaroid in Germany, has ICE for Color negs, a higher resolution for 35mm, glass carriers for badly curled film and is also supported by VueScan. In one respect the Polaroid wins very clearly: its much more stylish and nice to look at - the minolta is an horribly ugly plastic box! In other words: My feeling says Polaroid, my mind says "Minolta" :-) But I won´t buy before January anyway - warranty regulations will change in Germany and lead to a much longer warranty from 01/01/2002 on. greetings Bernhard - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:51 AM Subject: Re: filmscanners: SS120: Reflections on edge of neg From everything I've read about the Polaroid SprintScan 120, and from my own experience, it is one of the best medium format film scanners the average photographer can currently afford. It would be a shame for you to pass up such a fine scanner based solely on this argument. I've never noticed any reflections while scanning, but then I would never have a reason to try to crop that close to the edge of the film for the type of work that I do (fashion and glamour of people). You have to remember that few medium format shooters frame as tightly as they would if shooting 35 mm. Don't bite off your nose to spite your face. If a scanner does a nearly perfect job of scanning 95 percent of the film frame (which is probably about the area of coverage you saw in the viewfinder when you took the photograph, anyway), why would you want a different scanner that might cause banding, has poor software, causes 60 p! ercent of the image to be out of focus, has noise in the shadow areas, has less resolution, or has some other major shortcoming. I don't know anything about the Minolta Pro; it might be a fine scanner. But the SS120 has a solid reputation and I wouldn't eliminate it from contention unless you had a more significant reason.
Re: filmscanners: SS120: Reflections on edge of neg
From everything I've read about the Polaroid SprintScan 120, and from my own experience, it is one of the best medium format film scanners the average photographer can currently afford. It would be a shame for you to pass up such a fine scanner based solely on this argument. I've never noticed any reflections while scanning, but then I would never have a reason to try to crop that close to the edge of the film for the type of work that I do (fashion and glamour of people). You have to remember that few medium format shooters frame as tightly as they would if shooting 35 mm. Don't bite off your nose to spite your face. If a scanner does a nearly perfect job of scanning 95 percent of the film frame (which is probably about the area of coverage you saw in the viewfinder when you took the photograph, anyway), why would you want a different scanner that might cause banding, has poor software, causes 60 p! ercent of the image to be out of focus, has noise in the shadow areas, has less resolution, or has some other major shortcoming. I don't know anything about the Minolta Pro; it might be a fine scanner. But the SS120 has a solid reputation and I wouldn't eliminate it from contention unless you had a more significant reason. In a message dated 11/28/2001 10:24:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: "Barbara White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > () and cured it by running a black magic > marker along it. I'm going to try this with the film holder for the 6x6 > negs - will report back if it works. Yes this is interesting: I wait for your results, please, because those 3mm of reflexions on*every* neg would simply make me go for another scanner than the Polaroid 120 - probably the Minolta Pro. Thanks in advance for posting your results Barbara, greetings Bernhard
Re: filmscanners: SS120: Reflections on edge of neg
- Original Message - From: "Barbara White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > () and cured it by running a black magic > marker along it. I'm going to try this with the film holder for the 6x6 > negs - will report back if it works. Yes this is interesting: I wait for your results, please, because those 3mm of reflexions on*every* neg would simply make me go for another scanner than the Polaroid 120 - probably the Minolta Pro. Thanks in advance for posting your results Barbara, greetings Bernhard
filmscanners: SS120: Reflections on edge of neg
I just noticed this problem on my negs, as a few other people have. I had a problem sort of like this on my 4x5 film a few years ago, was told that it was a reflection from a part of the holder (don't know what it's called or how to describe it), and cured it by running a black magic marker along it. I'm going to try this with the film holder for the 6x6 negs - will report back if it works. Barbara -- Barbara White/Architectural Photography http://www.barbarawhitephoto.com
