Re: [Finale] Fin 2k4

2003-06-05 Thread Jari Williamsson
Mr. Liudas Motekaitis writes:

> The Bug of the Valleys and Hills. It bites Engraver Slurs. At first this
> virus is not detectable in Page view or in Postscript preview, and then when
> it is distilled to PDF, the PDF has Mount Everests or Grand Canyons on it.

Just to clarify: this bug can occur on any device, such as printers or on 
the screen. It's very resolution-specific.
On my configuration (1280*1024, large system fonts), I get a lot of those 
slurs on screen, but only at some zoom view values. For example, a slur 
might look buggy when viewed at 85%, but appear correct at 84% or 
86%. Or, a slur might look buggy on a 1200 DPI printer, but appear 
correct when printed at 600 DPI.

> It is a bad bad bug, because it makes one loose one's trust in Finale's page
> view. What You See is What You Want but Don't Get.

Agreed!!!


Best regards,

Jari Williamsson
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RE: [Finale] Fin 2k4

2003-06-05 Thread Lee Actor
> Which particular bug is being referenced here? Could
> you be a bit more specific? Jari is correct. It would
> be best to e-mail the request to winsupport directly.
> The more people we hear from about a bug the more
> attention we can give to getting it fixed.
>
> Tyler
> MakeMusic Technical Support

Here's a message I sent to the list several months ago:


I've had occasional (maybe 5% of the time) weirdly shaped slurs ever since
Engraver slurs were introduced.  Even so, the slurs only misbehave at some
magnifications (usually 100%) and not at others (like the ones I edit
on-screen at).  I've always assumed it was a bug, and my solution has been
to turn off Engraver slurs for that slur and tweak it manually.  I'm on
Finale 2003b for Win, have no custom fonts, and mainly use plain vanilla
Maestro.  I notice that all my font annotation files are dated 8/7/2001.

BTW, I notice that the problem is especially noticeable when the slur is on
the stem side.  Maybe it's trying to avoid something that isn't there?  Any
suggestions for a real fix to this problem are appreciated.


It's particularly annoying when I only find the problem after printing.
"Check for weirdly shaped slurs" is now one of the items on my proofreading
list.

-Lee


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Re: [Finale] Fin 2k4

2003-06-05 Thread Brad Beyenhof
on 6/4/03 11:46 AM, Tyler Turner wrote:

> Which particular bug is being referenced here?

This bug was recently discussed in the thread "Slurs that turn into
Everest."  You can view the posts in this thread at the following URLs:

http://mail.shsu.edu/pipermail/finale/2003-June/051204.html
http://mail.shsu.edu/pipermail/finale/2003-June/051205.html
http://mail.shsu.edu/pipermail/finale/2003-June/051214.html

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Re: [Finale] Fin 2k4

2003-06-05 Thread Mr. Liudas Motekaitis
The Bug of the Valleys and Hills. It bites Engraver Slurs. At first this
virus is not detectable in Page view or in Postscript preview, and then when
it is distilled to PDF, the PDF has Mount Everests or Grand Canyons on it.

It is a bad bad bug, because it makes one loose one's trust in Finale's page
view. What You See is What You Want but Don't Get.

Liudas

- Original Message -
From: "Tyler Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Fin 2k4


> Which particular bug is being referenced here? Could
> you be a bit more specific? Jari is correct. It would
> be best to e-mail the request to winsupport directly.
> The more people we hear from about a bug the more
> attention we can give to getting it fixed.
>
> Tyler
> MakeMusic Technical Support
>
>
> --- Jari Williamsson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Mr. Liudas Motekaitis writes:
> >
> > > Did you ask them if they fixed the slur bug? This
> > bug is embarrassing.
> >
> > Although I agree with you about this bug, it's
> > probably helpful to
> > understand a bit how Coda/MakeMusic works when
> > deciding what (or
> > when) to fix: If too few people complain about a
> > bug, Coda/Makemusic
> > will not fix it since they believe that it isn't a
> > major problem. The same
> > goes (more or less) for feature requests.
> > FWIW, I've been complaining about this bug since
> > Fin2001. So your
> > chance to get this fixed in Fin2004 is to make sure
> > tech support get
> > reproducible bug reports.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Jari Williamsson
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Re: [Finale] Fin 2k4

2003-06-05 Thread Jari Williamsson
Mr. Liudas Motekaitis writes:

> However, you mentioned that it occured in 2001. I never noticed it there
> before, and I have done a very great deal of work with 2001. But In 2003 it
> is popping up all over the place. 

My bad. The bug was introduced in Fin2002, since it's a bug specific to 
Engraver Slurs.


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Re: [Finale] Fin 2k4

2003-06-05 Thread Mr. Liudas Motekaitis
You are right about reporting bugs. I too will file my complaint now.

However, you mentioned that it occured in 2001. I never noticed it there
before, and I have done a very great deal of work with 2001. But In 2003 it
is popping up all over the place. The only 'fix' I've found so far is to
select all slurs in page view and move them by one nudge and then back. They
have to be all on screen for it to work, though. One page at a time. What a
waste of time.

Liudas


- Original Message -
From: "Jari Williamsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Fin 2k4


> Mr. Liudas Motekaitis writes:
>
> > Did you ask them if they fixed the slur bug? This bug is embarrassing.
>
> Although I agree with you about this bug, it's probably helpful to
> understand a bit how Coda/MakeMusic works when deciding what (or
> when) to fix: If too few people complain about a bug, Coda/Makemusic
> will not fix it since they believe that it isn't a major problem. The same
> goes (more or less) for feature requests.
> FWIW, I've been complaining about this bug since Fin2001. So your
> chance to get this fixed in Fin2004 is to make sure tech support get
> reproducible bug reports.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jari Williamsson
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Re: [Finale] Fin 2k4

2003-06-05 Thread Tyler Turner
Which particular bug is being referenced here? Could
you be a bit more specific? Jari is correct. It would
be best to e-mail the request to winsupport directly.
The more people we hear from about a bug the more
attention we can give to getting it fixed.

Tyler
MakeMusic Technical Support


--- Jari Williamsson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mr. Liudas Motekaitis writes:
> 
> > Did you ask them if they fixed the slur bug? This
> bug is embarrassing.
> 
> Although I agree with you about this bug, it's
> probably helpful to 
> understand a bit how Coda/MakeMusic works when
> deciding what (or 
> when) to fix: If too few people complain about a
> bug, Coda/Makemusic 
> will not fix it since they believe that it isn't a
> major problem. The same 
> goes (more or less) for feature requests.
> FWIW, I've been complaining about this bug since
> Fin2001. So your 
> chance to get this fixed in Fin2004 is to make sure
> tech support get 
> reproducible bug reports.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Jari Williamsson
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Re: [Finale] Fin 2k4

2003-06-05 Thread Jari Williamsson
Mr. Liudas Motekaitis writes:

> Did you ask them if they fixed the slur bug? This bug is embarrassing.

Although I agree with you about this bug, it's probably helpful to 
understand a bit how Coda/MakeMusic works when deciding what (or 
when) to fix: If too few people complain about a bug, Coda/Makemusic 
will not fix it since they believe that it isn't a major problem. The same 
goes (more or less) for feature requests.
FWIW, I've been complaining about this bug since Fin2001. So your 
chance to get this fixed in Fin2004 is to make sure tech support get 
reproducible bug reports.


Best regards,

Jari Williamsson
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Re: [Finale] Fin 2k4

2003-06-05 Thread Noel Stoutenburg

"Mr. Liudas Motekaitis" wrote:

> Did you ask them if they fixed the slur bug?

No.  I only asked when I could order 2k4.

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Re: [Finale] Fin 2k4

2003-06-05 Thread Mr. Liudas Motekaitis
Did you ask them if they fixed the slur bug? This bug is embarrassing.

Liudas


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Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 8:12 PM
Subject: [Finale] Fin 2k4


> Friends,
> 
> FWIW, I enquired of MakeMusic when they would begin accepting orders on
> WINFIN 2k4.  The answer:  closer to the release date, late summer /
> early autumn.
> 
> ns
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