RE: [Finale] Sibelius 3 - no scroll mode
At 07:49 PM 9/26/2003 -0400, Ronald M. Krentzman wrote: However, Sibelius now has a feature called focus on staves which works somewhat like staff sets in Finale. This makes it much easier to enter notes without all the jumping around. There is a work-around in Sibelius where you can set the page width to a large number and get sort of an ersatz scroll view. That strikes me like saying that it is OK if a car manufacturer decided not to include any forward gears because with a lot of practice and patience, people can learn how to drive backwards really well. Personally, I'm not going to consider Sibelius a serious product for professionals until they include a mode that is designed for people who want to enter music in some volume with some productivity. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 3 - no scroll mode
While there are many reasons not to like Sibelius (just as for midi-users there are many reasons not to like Finale) I don't think the lack of scroll mode is one of them. Your remark maks me think that you never wrote music on paper and had to turn to a new page as you entered more notes. Yes Finale's scroll mode is fantastic and is my primary note-entry method, but I also use Sibelius and don't have a problem using it's page-based method. Rather than your transmission analogy, I would compare it more to saying you would never buy a Ford after owning a Saturn because where Saturn has its headlight switch, Ford has its windshield wiper switch. Sibelius forces a different working method that doesn't take long to adapt to. There are users of Finale who NEVER use scroll mode. But of course, if you prefer scroll mode, there isn't any reason to even consider Sibelius. Plus, the output from Sibelius doesn't look any better than output from Finale -- both programs can produce beautifully laid-out music and both programs can produce extraordinarily ugly music layout. It's all in the operator! Craig Parmerlee wrote: At 07:49 PM 9/26/2003 -0400, Ronald M. Krentzman wrote: However, Sibelius now has a feature called focus on staves which works somewhat like staff sets in Finale. This makes it much easier to enter notes without all the jumping around. There is a work-around in Sibelius where you can set the page width to a large number and get sort of an ersatz scroll view. That strikes me like saying that it is OK if a car manufacturer decided not to include any forward gears because with a lot of practice and patience, people can learn how to drive backwards really well. Personally, I'm not going to consider Sibelius a serious product for professionals until they include a mode that is designed for people who want to enter music in some volume with some productivity. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale . -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Sibelius 3 - no scroll mode
That strikes me like saying that it is OK if a car manufacturer decided not to include any forward gears because with a lot of practice and patience, people can learn how to drive backwards really well. One of the early European auto makers, I forget which one, built his first cars w.o brakes. When challenged on this, he haughtily replied, I make my cars to go, not to stop. -- Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 3 - no scroll mode
At 01:00 PM 9/26/2003 +1000, Matthew Hindson Fastmail Acct wrote: There is still no scroll view. You realise how good it is to be able to enter notes without page layout constantly taking place when, for example, the bar you're working on suddenly jumps off the screen because it's been pushed to the next system. To me, that is a complete deal-breaker. Whenever I have tried to use SIbelius, I get so mad I want to put my fist through the screen. It seems like no matter where I'm headed with the mouse, the object moves right before I can click it, and where it goes is a complete mystery. It is like some tortured game of whack-a-mole. Completely impossible to use with any productivity, from what I've experienced. Apparently there are people whose brains can cope with all this jumping around nonsense, but not me. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 3 - no scroll mode
From: Craig Parmerlee [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is like some tortured game of whack-a-mole. Great imagery!! --RH ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Sibelius 3 - no scroll mode
However, Sibelius now has a feature called focus on staves which works somewhat like staff sets in Finale. This makes it much easier to enter notes without all the jumping around. There is a work-around in Sibelius where you can set the page width to a large number and get sort of an ersatz scroll view. Interestingly, the original version of Sibelius (which ran on the Acorn computer system) had this feature. Ronald M. Krentzman RM Music Preparation At 01:00 PM 9/26/2003 +1000, Matthew Hindson Fastmail Acct wrote: There is still no scroll view. You realise how good it is to be able to enter notes without page layout constantly taking place when, for example, the bar you're working on suddenly jumps off the screen because it's been pushed to the next system. To me, that is a complete deal-breaker. Whenever I have tried to use SIbelius, I get so mad I want to put my fist through the screen. It seems like no matter where I'm headed with the mouse, the object moves right before I can click it, and where it goes is a complete mystery. It is like some tortured game of whack-a-mole. Completely impossible to use with any productivity, from what I've experienced. Apparently there are people whose brains can cope with all this jumping around nonsense, but not me. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Sibelius 3 - no scroll mode
-Original Message- From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In the Graphire days, it was possible to emulate scroll mode by making the page temporarily hundreds of inches wide. Not possible in Sibelius? Dennis, you're writing as if Graphire has expired..has it? Jim Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Sibelius 3 - no scroll mode
At 07:29 PM 9/26/03 -0500, Williams, Jim wrote: you're writing as if Graphire has expired..has it? No, it's been re-worked. There was an announcement recently that Barbara Touburg forwarded me from the Score discussion list: === I think it would be a good idea for me to put my two cents in at this point, just to let you know that Graphire Corporation, maker of Music Press, is alive and, if not well, at least getting better. We will have a new release of Music Press in the next month or so. We will be offering the software at much lower prices and without any hardware protection. Joy! If you are interested, send me an email by replying or to me at my Graphire email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Hiestand === Some years ago, I developed a good chunk of the new online manual, but due to circumstances both economic and, um, 'cultural', that relationship ended in ambiguity and eventually silence. Anyway, they're dumping the dongle (my main objection to an otherwise rather stunning program, aside from its quirky demand for re-entering stuff when you made errors), which may revive a stalled product. I hope so. The results are quite gorgeous. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
