Re: [finale] The program Notion

[dhbailey]

tcanomusic wrote:
has anyone heard or tried this program?
'm trying to figure where it fitsnotation or sample playback
maybe both
Terry
[I'm posting this to both lists since Finale users need to know what 
else is out there]

I've got a copy I'm beta testing, but there was no non-disclosure 
statement I had to sign, so I don't mind telling you:

It's both.  It's trying to place itself as a competitor with Finale and 
Sibelius, only it comes with samples from the London Symphony Orchestra. 
   Nice sounding samples.

The program is written by the same man who produced MusicPrinterPlus, 
and it carries much of the MPP legacy, including keystrokes and other 
operating aspects.  At one time I would have given anything for this 
program because was essentially a windows version of MusicPrinterPlus.

However, I have changed my working methods to Finale and find that I 
think and work in a Finale workflow these days, which makes using MPP 
less than intuitive, the way it once was.

Notion has terrific potential with one very major drawback -- its copy 
protection.

We've just gotten through discussing Finale's copy-protection long-term 
shortcomings on the SHSU list.  Here are Notion's copy-protection 
short-term shortcomings:

Copy protection is by way of a USB key which must be installed AFTER 
installing the software in order to work.  The key comes from iLok and 
is what it calls a SmartKey.

Here is the text from the manual regarding this Smartkey:
[start quote] iLok Registration
We strongly recommend that you register your iLok at www.ilok.com. This 
enables you
to receive support if your iLok is damaged. In addition, you can opt to 
purchase iLok’s
Zero Downtime (ZDT) Protection coverage for $30 per year. In the event 
that your
iLok is lost, damaged, or stolen, this coverage allows you to continue 
to use NOTION
until the device can be repaired or a new iLok issued.
For more information regarding iLok’s registration and Zero Downtime 
Protection
coverage, please visit www.ilok.com.
iLok Damage
If your iLok is damaged, please visit www.ilok.com. You will be required 
to register your
iLok in order to have it repaired.
Replacement Policy
If your iLok is lost or stolen, immediately contact the NOTION Support 
Center at 1-866-
398-2994. We will provide a one time replacement license for $150. In 
order to receive
this offer, a police report must be provided documenting the loss or 
theft. Further losses
will require the user to repurchase the complete NOTION product.
[endquote]

Can you imagine paying $30/year just to ensure that you can keep your 
music software's copy-protection working? This fee is additional to any 
upgrade pricing! Or having to pay $150 if your music software's 
copy-protection is lost or broken? Along with having to file a police 
report? Do the police even allow filing police reports for lost items of 
such relatively low-priced items? To say nothing about if you haven't 
paid the exorbitant $30/year Zero-Downtime protection-racket money you 
will have a period of time in which you can't use your software!

Or if you lose/break it a second time, having to completely repurchase 
the entire software package?

Not me, no matter how fine the program is!  The key is about 4" in 
length, 1.25" wide at its widest point and about 1/4" thick.  In other 
words, if you use your software on your notebook computer while 
traveling, it might be very easy to lose.  Do it twice and you have to 
pay full retail to continue using your software!

One feature that may make a lot of Finale users envious, however, is 
that, same as with MusicPrinterPlus, barlines are simply graphic images 
on the screen/page, and you can place a barline anyplace you want, so if 
you want a cadenza, no futzing around with 73/4 time signatures that you 
hide.  Or you can actually have 3/8 and 5/4 time signatures on different 
 staves if you wish and you place the barlines where you want, 
different from Finale's every measure is the same length on-screen.

The program does have some fine features in addition to that, but it is 
also in other regards a "do it this way or not at all" program such as 
Sibelius and Finale are, but of the three, I find that Finale's way 
ultimately gives me the greatest freedom to get the final score the way 
I want it to be.

Notion is essentially a midi-playback program which also includes a 
notation aspect (quite powerful one!) -- just as MusicPrinterPlus had as 
it's subtitle "A notation-based sequencer" Notion seems very much similar.

Notion is very much still in it's infancy -- the help file shows no way 
to change the time signature other than for the entire staff (i.e. no 
apparent way to start in 4/4 and after a few measures change to 3/8).  I 
must e-mail them about this apparent oversight!  It's not addressed in 
the manual OR the help-file.

But to answer the original question, it is far far far more than simply 
a sample-playback program.

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Re: [Finale] Mastering Triplets_Editing

[Christopher Smith]

Do you have Bracket Unbeamed Notes Only checked in Document options>tuplets? This oddly-named option (formerly Auto Bracket (huh?)) means that a bracket appears ONLY when there isn't a beam over the entire tuplet, like quarter-note triplets, or a group of three eights where the first one is a rest. Uncheck it, and all tuplets created from now on should have brackets. I'm not sure how to apply this retroactively, however, to previously-created tuplets.

Christopher


On Apr 2, 2005, at 6:47 PM, Paul Besco wrote:

I'm editing Smartscore scans. Importing these always needs some finessing. My last query yielded help with page layout. My current problem is triplets in piano music. They come into Finale without brackets or slurs. I'm understanding about the Document and Tuplet Tool Options dialog mainly acting on future triplets. I'm now to where I delete the Smartscore triplet and try to re-enter a triplet using the dialog options. I can see the slur after entering the first notes, but when I enter the last note the bracket or slur go away. Where the heck do those little blighters go? 
Paul Besco, Rags & Design
Sonoma California
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Re: [Finale] Mastering Triplets_Editing

[Hans Swinnen]

After changed your tuplet options in Doc Options, go to Mass Edit > 
Select all > Change Tuplets > Reset

Hans
===
You will excuse me for any typo's, due to a visual handicap.
Christopher Smith wrote:
Do you have Bracket Unbeamed Notes Only checked in Document 
options>tuplets? This oddly-named option (formerly Auto Bracket (huh?)) 
means that a bracket appears ONLY when there isn't a beam over the 
entire tuplet, like quarter-note triplets, or a group of three eights 
where the first one is a rest. Uncheck it, and all tuplets created from 
now on should have brackets. I'm not sure how to apply this 
retroactively, however, to previously-created tuplets.

Christopher
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[Finale] Enharmonic chord roots

[BillSincl]

  
When I am in the key of "A", I sometimes want to say Db major 7, Eb7, 
or Ab9. The software sometimes stupidly forces the chord roots to be the 
sharp notes instead of the flat notes, like it 
will force it C# instead of D flat, or G# instead of A flat. I do 
not want to transpose that portion of the song - I want to 
leave everything in the key of "A".
 
How can I force it to spell the chord roots the way I 
want?
 
Yours; Bill 
S.
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Re: [finale] The program Notion

[A-NO-NE Music]

dhbailey / 05.4.3 / 06:36 AM wrote:

>Copy protection is by way of a USB key which must be installed AFTER 
>installing the software in order to work.  The key comes from iLok and 
>is what it calls a SmartKey.


iLock is a real bad news.  I have 3 of them.  I refuse to consolidate to
1 since I don't trust them.  The provider, PACE whose business is only to
provide copy protection to software vendors is a vulture.  I have been
dealing with them more than a decay.  It is so unfortunate I still have
to use their copy protection.  I mentioned this before.  PACE doesn't
care us since we are not their customer, yet they blame on software
vendor who bought PACE service when something wrong happens at end user.
 I can't imagine how they sleep at night.

Granted, iLock is much safer than previous PACE protections which could
cause crashes because of memory timing, but still, iLock runs in a very
low kernel level taking your OS hostage.

I am so glad Finale is not using PACE!


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- Hiro

Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA
 


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Re: [finale] The program Notion

[Noel Stoutenburg]

David (hbailey)
Thanks for the review of "Notion".  If it was in the 
description, I
missed the information, about whether the data file format 
is public,
like Finale's ~.etf format, or proprietary, like Sibelius's 
~.sib  and
Finale's ~.mus format.

ns

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Re: [Finale] Enharmonic chord roots

[Christopher Smith]

Chord Menu>make sure Simplify Spelling is UNchecked, and it will take the roots you enter, no matter how sharp of flat they are in the key.

Christopher



On Apr 3, 2005, at 1:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 When I am in the key of "A", I sometimes want to say Db major 7, Eb7, or Ab9. The software sometimes stupidly forces the chord roots to be the sharp notes instead of the flat notes, like it will force it C# instead of D flat, or G# instead of A flat. I do  not want to transpose that portion of the song - I want to leave everything in the key of "A".
 
How can I force it to spell the chord roots the way I want?
 
Yours; Bill S.
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Re: [finale] The program Notion

[dhbailey]

Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
David (hbailey)
Thanks for the review of "Notion".  If it was in the description, I
missed the information, about whether the data file format is public,
like Finale's ~.etf format, or proprietary, like Sibelius's ~.sib  and
Finale's ~.mus format.
ns
I see no mention of their file format on their web-site.  A quick glance 
at the file with a hex editor looks like gibberish to me, certainly not 
midi-based.

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[Finale] Need notation advice for a composition for large concert band!

[Karl Kohn]

Title: Need notation advice for a composition for large
concert b


I have
composed a large (some 236 measures!) work for full concert
band.   That was the easy part, and here is the notational
problem.

I have composed my score in pencil on paper, as is my custom, and am
ready now to start entering the score, on my 2002b
software.    I want to do the score "in C",
and then extract the parts in their appropriate transpositions. 
That  (I think) I can handle!

Here's where I need help!   In the score I would like to
be able to pair certain instruments on a single staff, like, 
Flutes 1&2, Oboes 1&2, etc.  If I entered a pair of
instruments in the score in a  single staff, is it possible then
to extract  the parts for Flute 1 and for Flute 2 separately?! 
(And, of course, also for Oboes, Bassoons, Alto Saxophones, Horns,
Trombones...)

If there is no way to do this, does it mean that one needs to enter
each instrument on a separate staff in order to be able to 
extract each part separately.  Right, or not?!  The
down-side to that is that it makes for a very long (vertical) score
when you have a large instrumentation.

Well, there is my question.  I will be most grateful for your
expert commentz.

Karl Kohn
Professor of Music  and
Composer in Residence emeritus
Pomona College
Claremont, California

909
607-4568

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Re: [Finale] Need notation advice for a composition for large concert band!

[Chuck Israels]

Karl,

You can do this in a number of ways, but the most convenient is to use TG tools "smart distribution of grouped parts."  It's worth the money, and the few minutes it takes to figure out how it works.  It does just what you need.

Chuck


On Apr 3, 2005, at 5:32 PM, Karl Kohn wrote:

I have composed a large (some 236 measures!) work for full concert band.   That was the easy part, and here is the notational problem. I have composed my score in pencil on paper, as is my custom, and am ready now to start entering the score, on my 2002b software.    I want to do the score "in C", and then extract the parts in their appropriate transpositions.  That  (I think) I can handle! Here's where I need help!   In the score I would like to be able to pair certain instruments on a single staff, like,  Flutes 1&2, Oboes 1&2, etc.  If I entered a pair of instruments in the score in a  single staff, is it possible then to extract  the parts for Flute 1 and for Flute 2 separately?!  (And, of course, also for Oboes, Bassoons, Alto Saxophones, Horns, Trombones...) If there is no way to do this, does it mean that one needs to enter each instrument on a separate staff in order to be able to  extract each part separately.  Right, or not?!  The down-side to that is that it makes for a very long (vertical) score when you have a large instrumentation. Well, there is my question.  I will be most grateful for your expert commentz. Karl Kohn Professor of Music  and Composer in Residence emeritus Pomona College Claremont, California909 607-4568[EMAIL PROTECTED]___
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Re: [Finale] Need notation advice for a composition for large concert band!

[JD]

on 4/3/05 5:32 PM, Karl Kohn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have composed a large (some 236 measures!) work for full concert
> band.   That was the easy part, and here is the notational problem.
> 
> I have composed my score in pencil on paper, as is my custom, and am
> ready now to start entering the score, on my 2002b software.I
> want to do the score "in C", and then extract the parts in their
> appropriate transpositions.  That  (I think) I can handle!
> 
> Here's where I need help!   In the score I would like to be able to
> pair certain instruments on a single staff, like,  Flutes 1&2, Oboes
> 1&2, etc.  If I entered a pair of instruments in the score in a
> single staff, is it possible then to extract  the parts for Flute 1
> and for Flute 2 separately?!  (And, of course, also for Oboes,
> Bassoons, Alto Saxophones, Horns, Trombones...)
> 
> If there is no way to do this, does it mean that one needs to enter
> each instrument on a separate staff in order to be able to  extract
> each part separately.  Right, or not?!  The down-side to that is that
> it makes for a very long (vertical) score when you have a large
> instrumentation.

Karl,

Figure on having 2 versions of your score, one for the conductor and one for
parts.  I do this all the time.  Make sure all proofs and revisions are
complete in the main score, which would be the one that contains the
doubles.  Then Save As and make this the part score.  Add the appropriate
staves and, as Chuck suggested, use TGTools to split out the doubles.  Then
extract the parts.

HTH

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Re: [Finale] Need notation advice for a composition for large concert band!

[Noel Stoutenburg]

Karl Kohn wrote:
In the score I would like to be able to pair certain instruments on a 
single staff, like,  Flutes 1&2, Oboes 1&2, etc.  If I entered a pair 
of instruments in the score in a  single staff, is it possible then to 
extract  the parts for Flute 1 and for Flute 2 separately?!  (And, of 
course, also for Oboes, Bassoons, Alto Saxophones, Horns, Trombones...)

If there is no way to do this, does it mean that one needs to enter 
each instrument on a separate staff in order to be able to  extract 
each part separately.  Right, or not?!  The down-side to that is that 
it makes for a very long (vertical) score when you have a large 
instrumentation.
Finale is capable of handling up to eight separate parts on each staff 
(four layers in each of two voices).  It is trivial to define staves for 
flutes, Oboes, &c, and place flute 1 in layer 1, and flute 2 in layer 2. 
  However, if it were me, I'd begin by entering the parts for each 
instrument on a separate staff, on the principle that it is more likely 
less involved to do it this way, and later combine flutes 1 & 2 into a 
single staff, than to place flutes 1 & 2 into a single staff now, and 
later later have to separate them out into separate staves.

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