Re: [Finale] What a day

[Karen]

On Aug 5, 2005, at 4:26 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:

Well, after trying to work with some files in MacFin2006,  my  
machine got weirder and weirder, finally crashed a few times with  
all sorts of strange symbols on the screen.


Hi Dean,

This is called a kernal panic.  Usually caused by some external  
device that is connected to your computer but not always.  The fix is  
to restart the machine.  If it keeps happening, you should start the  
machine with all external devices disconnected and re-connect them  
one by one to see which one is the culpritscanners are notorious  
for causing this.


The next thing I would suggest is to make sure that all of your  
device drivers i.e. printer, scanner, non-apple mouse/keyboard are  
all up to date...you may have transfered your old drivers over and  
they aren't compatible with Tiger.  You can download these from the  
vendors' websites.


Spent a long time on the phone with MM,  who said I'd probably have  
to wipe out the HD and reinstall, then we found a  
HD>Home>Library>Preferences folder with absolutely nothing in it.   
About that time, he said to call Apple Tech Support and see what  
they had to say. Well,  after an hour or so on the phone,  the gal  
there got my Pref folder (the empty one) to restore itself after  
restarting.  This took my original screen to default. So, Fin 2006  
was no longer in the doc. I Dragged the old empty one to trash. But  
then, I tried to open mail, and all my old data was gone. Back on  
the phone to Apple, where a guy tried a lot of stuff, including a  
first aid job on the HD, which turned up a problem but also fixed  
it.  Then I happened to open the trash to find that the previously  
empty Pref Folder was full of stuff while still in the trash. So,  
one of the items there was a file needed for the mail app. We drug  
it to the desktop, and ran it into the new Pref. Folder, and lo and  
behold, the mail now works ... as  you can see.


This sounds like you may have some directory issues as well.  Do you  
have a program called Disk Warrior?  The current version is 3.0.3 and  
it is compatible with Tiger.  This program will straighten out  
directory issues beautifully.


http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/

There is another trick you can try.  I have two admin users on all of  
my machines.  One I only use for trouble shooting.  If I have  
problems I log into the "clean" trouble shooting user and run the  
program/file/or whatever that is giving me a problem to see if the  
problem goes away when logged in as the other user.  If it does, you  
don't have a system wide problem but rather a problem within your  
main user directory.


It may be that you end up having to wipe the drive and re-install  
everything.  But try this first...


Best,

Karen


Now, I think I had better wait until I can talk with MM before I  
try and run Finale again, which, I hope against hope, will run  
correctly now that the Pref Folder has items in it, and that it  
won't corrupt my whole bloody computer again. Lord, what a day.


Dean
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Re: [Finale] TIGER

[A-NO-NE Music]

Eric Dannewitz / 2005/08/05 / 01:33 AM wrote:

>Well, yeah, but I sent it to Apple. I'll copy the next one and send it 
>to MakeMusic next time it happens.

I see.

If you open Utility -> Console app, there is an item called crash
reporter, which will have "Finale 2006 crash.log".  You can copy the
last dated item (not the entire log which will be too big) and email me
privately.  Not that I pretend I understand it, but I could give a half-
baked-somewhat-educated guess what is the nature of the crash.

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Re: [Finale] TIGER

[Eric Dannewitz]

Well, yeah, but I sent it to Apple. I'll copy the next one and send it 
to MakeMusic next time it happens.


A-NO-NE Music wrote:


Eric Dannewitz / 2005/08/05 / 12:47 AM wrote:

 


Well, all the crashes have been when I go to print something.
   




Tiger brings crash log up on the screen when an app crashed.  Did you see it?


 




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Re: [Finale] TIGER

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Eric Dannewitz / 2005/08/05 / 12:47 AM wrote:

>Well, all the crashes have been when I go to print something.


Tiger brings crash log up on the screen when an app crashed.  Did you see it?


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Re: [Finale] TIGER

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Dean M. Estabrook / 2005/08/05 / 12:40 AM wrote:

>Hiro, I'll be honest with  you ... as a complete novice, your words  
>are almost a foreign lingo to me...

Sorry about that.
I do rebuild machines from the scratch often so I have a system.

One of the things is that I have a dedicated shelf where all the current
installers are stored.  This of course include CDRs that contains
installers and updaters I downloaded.  Every upgrade I receive, I update
this shelf.

It's just my personal opinion that clean install from the scratch, this
includes I zero-format HD(s) the day I receive a new computer or even
replace it if the HD came with isn't Seagate, will give me a lot less
troubleshooting down the load.

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Re: [Finale] TIGER

[Eric Dannewitz]

Well, all the crashes have been when I go to print something. I can't 
really predict it or pin it down yet, but the whole program crashes. 
I'll email support with the info next time it happens.



A-NO-NE Music wrote:


Will you define crashes?

I too experienced spinning beachball on print cmd, but before I had a
chance to sample the stuck process it released.

If you really did get a crash, I bet your crash log will point to NIAU,
'coz that's all what I have been seen so far.  FinMac support emailed me
back that they want me to remove all the non NIAU, but no I can't nor
won't :_(

 




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Re: [Finale] playback file to AIFF

[A-NO-NE Music]

Darcy James Argue / 2005/08/06 / 12:31 AM wrote:

>Simply drag open the MIDI file in iTunes, set your import options to  
>AIFF, select the file, and choose "Convert to AIFF" from the  
>"Advanced" menu. There is absolutely no need to burn an audio CD.


Heey, you said drag the file to iTune icon!
That sure won't work,
But good to know Convert option works on SMF.

By the way, for your scenario, you don't need to drag import MIDI file
to iTune but just Opt+Select Convert to menu.


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Re: [Finale] TIGER

[Dean M. Estabrook]

Hiro, I'll be honest with  you ... as a complete novice, your words  
are almost a foreign lingo to me... I just don't have the expertise  
to comprehend what you are saying. Sorry.  It's like when I read  
legal documents, I understand almost every word, but none of the  
sentences or intentions. But, I thank you for   your response anyway.


Hopeless in Yuba City,

Dean

On Aug 5, 2005, at 9:31 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote:


Dean M. Estabrook / 2005/08/05 / 11:23 PM wrote:



I sort of gathered from the MM guy
that  one does not want the actual apps on the new HD, just the
files. Does that make sense?



Yes, if any of the package component permission bit has been  
flipped, it
will create a massive problem.  Again, not all the installers  
available

to OSX is clean :-(

This problem usually don't surfaces if you gave the same account  
name to
UID501.  This is kinda leftover from NeXT NetInfo architecture  
Apple has

been trying to get rid of.

But even more so I don't trust copying pref file if the pref file is,
against Apple's recommendation, binary instead of XML.

And guess what, FinMac pref is a binary one!!

Since I have a list of stuff I install on an electric doc,  
reinstalling

everything from the scratch is not that much of a pain in the exchange
of the comfort of knowing everything is clean.  I always find some  
apps
I never use anymore, y'know.  I only give half a day and live  
happily after.


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Re: [Finale] TIGER

[A-NO-NE Music]

Eric Dannewitz / 2005/08/05 / 09:26 PM wrote:

>I do get a few random crashes out of Finale 2006 that I 
>haven't been able to pin down the cause of (it involves something with 
>Printing). And then there is the Pageview/Mass Mover issue. Other than 
>that, it works great.

Will you define crashes?

I too experienced spinning beachball on print cmd, but before I had a
chance to sample the stuck process it released.

If you really did get a crash, I bet your crash log will point to NIAU,
'coz that's all what I have been seen so far.  FinMac support emailed me
back that they want me to remove all the non NIAU, but no I can't nor
won't :_(

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Re: [Finale] TIGER

[A-NO-NE Music]

Dean M. Estabrook / 2005/08/05 / 11:23 PM wrote:

>I sort of gathered from the MM guy  
>that  one does not want the actual apps on the new HD, just the  
>files. Does that make sense? 

Yes, if any of the package component permission bit has been flipped, it
will create a massive problem.  Again, not all the installers available
to OSX is clean :-(

This problem usually don't surfaces if you gave the same account name to
UID501.  This is kinda leftover from NeXT NetInfo architecture Apple has
been trying to get rid of.

But even more so I don't trust copying pref file if the pref file is,
against Apple's recommendation, binary instead of XML.

And guess what, FinMac pref is a binary one!!

Since I have a list of stuff I install on an electric doc, reinstalling
everything from the scratch is not that much of a pain in the exchange
of the comfort of knowing everything is clean.  I always find some apps
I never use anymore, y'know.  I only give half a day and live happily after.

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Re: [Finale] playback file to AIFF

[Darcy James Argue]

On 06 Aug 2005, at 12:17 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote:


Darcy James Argue / 2005/08/05 / 10:44 PM wrote:



2) As Gerald suggested, import the MIDI file into iTunes (i.e.,
launch iTunes, set your Import options to AIFF, then drag the MIDI
file to the iTunes icon in the Dock.



Actually, iTune will not convert SMF to AIFF even though you set  
Import
option to AIFF.  It brings in as SMF.  You must burn an audio CD,  
mount

the audio CD then drag the track to Finder.  Finder will convert it to
AIFF automatically.


That's actually not true, Hiro.

I just tried this with the MIDI file for "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts  
Club Band" I found here:


http://209.68.63.220/19580222/rock/beatles/SgtPepper.mid

Simply drag open the MIDI file in iTunes, set your import options to  
AIFF, select the file, and choose "Convert to AIFF" from the  
"Advanced" menu. There is absolutely no need to burn an audio CD.


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Re: [Finale] playback file to AIFF

[A-NO-NE Music]

Darcy James Argue / 2005/08/05 / 10:44 PM wrote:

>2) As Gerald suggested, import the MIDI file into iTunes (i.e.,  
>launch iTunes, set your Import options to AIFF, then drag the MIDI  
>file to the iTunes icon in the Dock.

Actually, iTune will not convert SMF to AIFF even though you set Import
option to AIFF.  It brings in as SMF.  You must burn an audio CD, mount
the audio CD then drag the track to Finder.  Finder will convert it to
AIFF automatically.

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Re: [Finale] TIGER

[Dean M. Estabrook]

On Aug 5, 2005, at 9:14 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:



On 05 Aug 2005, at 11:36 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:


Ok..I think I get that.  I just sort of inferred that the presence  
of an old App might be a corruptive factor ...




Nope.


I still wonder if it was Finale which make that Preference folder  
become empty or invisible.




Almost certainly not.  There must have been some other weirdness.


Well, the Apple guy did, upon running the HD detector, find one  
problem, which the first aid function corrected ... so, perhaps, that  
was the prob. He seemed to feel it was likely.


Dean



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Re: [Finale] TIGER

[Darcy James Argue]

On 05 Aug 2005, at 11:36 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:

Ok..I think I get that.  I just sort of inferred that the presence  
of an old App might be a corruptive factor ...


Nope.

I still wonder if it was Finale which make that Preference folder  
become empty or invisible.


Almost certainly not.  There must have been some other weirdness.

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Re: [Finale] playback file to AIFF

[A-NO-NE Music]

Andrew Stiller / 2005/08/05 / 10:30 PM wrote:

>First of all, let me explain that this is a Sibelius midi file. I asked 
>this list about making it an AIFF because at bottom a midi file is a 
>midi file no matter what program made it.


Oh, it's a SMF?  Then drag onto iTune and burn it as audio, or open with
QTPro then save as AIFF.


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Re: [Finale] TIGER

[Dean M. Estabrook]

Ok..I think I get that.  I just sort of inferred that the presence of  
an old App might be a corruptive factor ... looks like not.  I still  
wonder if it was Finale which make that Preference folder become  
empty or invisible. Just before that happened, I tried to access the  
UM and got a message that it could not be found. That tells me that  
the Pref Folder was already empty for some reason.  Then all weird  
hell broke loose.


Dean

On Aug 5, 2005, at 8:29 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:



On 05 Aug 2005, at 11:23 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:




On Aug 5, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:



On 05 Aug 2005, at 9:20 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:

It depends what options you chose when you first started up your  
new Mac.  If you chose not to transfer applications (via the  
FireWire target mode method), then obviously the applications  
don't get copied in that case.  But if you checked the  
appropriate box, everything should have transfered correctly.




Well, I thought all transfered ok.  I have the older versions on  
the new HD,  2004 b, c, and an update. I sort of gathered from the  
MM guy that  one does not want the actual apps on the new HD, just  
the files. Does that make sense?




Not if you want to actually run older versions of Finale.

If you just want to open older Finale files and convert them to  
Fin2006, you don't need the older versions.  But often, it's  
helpful to be able to open a document in the same version of Finale  
that created it.



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Re: [Finale] Left margin in scroll view

[Craig Parmerlee]

Darcy James Argue wrote:



On 05 Aug 2005, at 8:25 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:

I agree with all of that, and let me just reiterate that the margin  
ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT stay put [when zooming in and out].



On my system, it ABSOLUTELY DOES.  Is this a Windows problem or  
something?


- Darcy 


Must be.  Here are three things that cause the margin to be set to the 
useless mode:


1) Changing zoom value

2) Switching among page, scroll, and studio views

3) Creating a new score while keeping the present one open



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Re: [Finale] TIGER

[Darcy James Argue]

On 05 Aug 2005, at 11:23 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:



On Aug 5, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:


On 05 Aug 2005, at 9:20 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:

It depends what options you chose when you first started up your  
new Mac.  If you chose not to transfer applications (via the  
FireWire target mode method), then obviously the applications  
don't get copied in that case.  But if you checked the appropriate  
box, everything should have transfered correctly.


Well, I thought all transfered ok.  I have the older versions on  
the new HD,  2004 b, c, and an update. I sort of gathered from the  
MM guy that  one does not want the actual apps on the new HD, just  
the files. Does that make sense?


Not if you want to actually run older versions of Finale.

If you just want to open older Finale files and convert them to  
Fin2006, you don't need the older versions.  But often, it's helpful  
to be able to open a document in the same version of Finale that  
created it.



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Re: [Finale] TIGER

[Dean M. Estabrook]

Hmmm .. I think it's just the combination of the new MacFin with the  
bug problem, and switching to a new computer at the same time.  Too  
many chances to screw up ... and I think I've managed to do them all.


Thanks,

Dean

On Aug 5, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

Yeah. Finale runs fine with Tiger. I was running 2005 with Tiger.  
No problems. I do get a few random crashes out of Finale 2006 that  
I haven't been able to pin down the cause of (it involves something  
with Printing). And then there is the Pageview/Mass Mover issue.  
Other than that, it works great.




Dean M. Estabrook wrote:


So, guys and gals ... is anyone out actually running MacFin 2006  
on  Tiger with success?  Right now I have no idea if 2006 screwed  
up my  Mac, or in transferring data via the FireWire brought in  
something  that screwed things up.  Like,  should I have an  
application for Fin  2004b, and c on the new computer. Or is it  
really just the files that  transferred?  Woe is me.






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Re: [Finale] TIGER

[Dean M. Estabrook]

On Aug 5, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:



On 05 Aug 2005, at 9:20 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:







It depends what options you chose when you first started up your  
new Mac.  If you chose not to transfer applications (via the  
FireWire target mode method), then obviously the applications don't  
get copied in that case.  But if you checked the appropriate box,  
everything should have transfered correctly.


Well, I thought all transfered ok.  I have the older versions on the  
new HD,  2004 b, c, and an update. I sort of gathered from the MM guy  
that  one does not want the actual apps on the new HD, just the  
files. Does that make sense?  Either way, I have both the icons for  
the old apps and, according to the Spotlite function, 2 icons for  
2006.  Yes, somehow, I have created a bunch of probs. Very  
discouraging. I guess wiping out the HD is an option,  it would mean  
backing up a bunch of stuff, of course.  I'll, confess, I'm not even  
up on how to do that.  God, I feel stupid. Yes, everything is still  
there on the old system, so that remains a possibility. Yep, pretty  
messed up.


Well, thanks for the answer ... I plan on waiting until Mon. to talk  
to MM techs again and tell them where we are at present. Then I guess  
we'll decide where to attempt to go. Man, it feels crappy to see a  
new machine get all hosed up.


Thanks,

DEan



At any rate, it should be easy enough to reinstall your older  
versions of Finale (and any other apps) from the original install  
CDs -- just remember to apply all the latest updates.


Dean, from the sounds of it, you somehow managed to really do a  
number on your new computer.  Have you considered wiping the HD and  
starting over?  Everything should still be there on your old  
system, right?  So you can try the transfer again.  This might be  
preferable to trying to troubleshoot your existing setup, which  
sounds pretty messed up to me.


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Re: [Finale] playback file to AIFF

[Ken Durling]

At 07:44 PM 8/5/2005, you wrote:

Isn't there a "Save as Audio" option in Sibelius?  If not, you have
three options:



Yes, there is, but only with the Kontakt player.

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Re: [Finale] playback file to AIFF

[Darcy James Argue]

On 05 Aug 2005, at 10:30 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:


First of all, let me explain that this is a Sibelius midi file.


Oh, okay.  You hadn't said.

I asked this list about making it an AIFF because at bottom a midi  
file is a midi file no matter what program made it.


Andrew, a MIDI file is just a set of instructions, like a piano  
roll.  In order to be rendered to a digital audio format (like AIFF),  
it needs to be "performed" by software instruments of some kind (like  
QuickTime Muiscal Instruments, or the Finale SoundFont).


Isn't there a "Save as Audio" option in Sibelius?  If not, you have  
three options:


1) Import the MIDI file into Finale and save as audio from there.

2) As Gerald suggested, import the MIDI file into iTunes (i.e.,  
launch iTunes, set your Import options to AIFF, then drag the MIDI  
file to the iTunes icon in the Dock.


3) Record the playback from Sibelius using Audio Hijack Pro or a  
similar app.


The first option would "perform" the MIDI file using the Finale  
SoundFont, the second would do so using QuickTime Musical  
Instruments, and the third would record Sibelius's playback.  
(Provided you're not using an external MIDI device for playback in  
Sibelius. Obviously, the output from an external device needs to be  
recorded by external means, like a line out cable plugged into your  
sound card.)


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Re: [Finale] Quickeys stuff

[Chuck Israels]

Hi all,

Sorry, I did not mean to send this to the list.  Ughhh.

Chuck


On Aug 5, 2005, at 7:39 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:


Hi Karen,

This is for when you have a few minutes that are not occupied with  
more important issues in your life.


I am using many of your Quickeys macros with much success (and  
gratitude).  I have learned to re-map the keyboard hot keys to  
where I need them.  (For a reason I can't fathom, I can't make the  
Lyric Tool macro work.)


There are a few more shortcuts I'd like to have - to select the  
chord tool, the repeat tool, the key signature tool, and the  
special tools tool.  I don't know how to program them to work  
instantly the way you do.  If you have the time to make them, or  
tell me how (assuming it's not rocket science) so that I don't have  
to bother you in the future, that would be most generous.


I am using a small 20 key supplementary keyboard again (which I had  
abandoned for a while - called X Keys) and have mapped the tool  
selection commands to it, leaving the function keys available for  
various little macro events like toggling all or partial measures,  
or view active layer only.  It works pretty well, but the larger 58  
key X Keys keyboard that I also have, is simply too big to be  
practical for me.  However, it might be good for a real power user  
like you who needs many macros and shortcuts.  If you'd like to try  
it, I'd be glad to send it.  It's just taking up space here.


There are some Mass Edit things that I find useful, and I had a  
friend (no longer around) who programmed them in 2005.  Since the  
mass edit dialog has been changed, these didn't port to 2006.  The  
choices for which I like shortcut macros are: Copy everything  
except measure expressions (practically my default condition), copy  
only chords, and copy only smart shapes.  As I'm writing this, it  
occurs to me that I am probably missing out on a built in  
functionality that would do the last by not being familiar with the  
Smart Find and Paint functions.  Got to learn them.  How to do these?


Simon Troup got me on the IRC chat site - and I communicated with  
him this morning (he's on a weekend camping trip now), adn that was  
fun, but my typing is atrocious, and I'm not used to these IM  
things.  Still, he said you are on from time to time, so I'll check  
in now and then.


Best regards, and thanks again for your help.

Chuck


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[Finale] Quickeys stuff

[Chuck Israels]

Hi Karen,

This is for when you have a few minutes that are not occupied with  
more important issues in your life.


I am using many of your Quickeys macros with much success (and  
gratitude).  I have learned to re-map the keyboard hot keys to where  
I need them.  (For a reason I can't fathom, I can't make the Lyric  
Tool macro work.)


There are a few more shortcuts I'd like to have - to select the chord  
tool, the repeat tool, the key signature tool, and the special tools  
tool.  I don't know how to program them to work instantly the way you  
do.  If you have the time to make them, or tell me how (assuming it's  
not rocket science) so that I don't have to bother you in the future,  
that would be most generous.


I am using a small 20 key supplementary keyboard again (which I had  
abandoned for a while - called X Keys) and have mapped the tool  
selection commands to it, leaving the function keys available for  
various little macro events like toggling all or partial measures, or  
view active layer only.  It works pretty well, but the larger 58 key  
X Keys keyboard that I also have, is simply too big to be practical  
for me.  However, it might be good for a real power user like you who  
needs many macros and shortcuts.  If you'd like to try it, I'd be  
glad to send it.  It's just taking up space here.


There are some Mass Edit things that I find useful, and I had a  
friend (no longer around) who programmed them in 2005.  Since the  
mass edit dialog has been changed, these didn't port to 2006.  The  
choices for which I like shortcut macros are: Copy everything except  
measure expressions (practically my default condition), copy only  
chords, and copy only smart shapes.  As I'm writing this, it occurs  
to me that I am probably missing out on a built in functionality that  
would do the last by not being familiar with the Smart Find and Paint  
functions.  Got to learn them.  How to do these?


Simon Troup got me on the IRC chat site - and I communicated with him  
this morning (he's on a weekend camping trip now), adn that was fun,  
but my typing is atrocious, and I'm not used to these IM things.   
Still, he said you are on from time to time, so I'll check in now and  
then.


Best regards, and thanks again for your help.

Chuck


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Re: [Finale] TIGER

[Darcy James Argue]

On 05 Aug 2005, at 9:20 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:

So, guys and gals ... is anyone out actually running MacFin 2006 on  
Tiger with success?


Yes, of course.

Right now I have no idea if 2006 screwed up my Mac, or in  
transferring data via the FireWire brought in something that  
screwed things up.  Like,  should I have an application for Fin  
2004b, and c on the new computer. Or is it really just the files  
that transferred?  Woe is me.


It depends what options you chose when you first started up your new  
Mac.  If you chose not to transfer applications (via the FireWire  
target mode method), then obviously the applications don't get copied  
in that case.  But if you checked the appropriate box, everything  
should have transfered correctly.


At any rate, it should be easy enough to reinstall your older  
versions of Finale (and any other apps) from the original install CDs  
-- just remember to apply all the latest updates.


Dean, from the sounds of it, you somehow managed to really do a  
number on your new computer.  Have you considered wiping the HD and  
starting over?  Everything should still be there on your old system,  
right?  So you can try the transfer again.  This might be preferable  
to trying to troubleshoot your existing setup, which sounds pretty  
messed up to me.


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Re: [Finale] playback file to AIFF

[Andrew Stiller]

On Aug 5, 2005, at 4:33 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:



On 05 Aug 2005, at 1:13 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:

OK, how do I change (or dump) a playback file to an AIFF? Gotta be 
possible somehow.


Of course.

If you are using the Finale SoundFont:

Save Special - Save As Audio File -> Standard Audio File

If you are using GPO Full or GPO Finale Edition (or any other AU 
instruments), you need to use a third-party app like Audio Hijack Pro 
or Wiretap to intercept Finale audio -- this is scheduled to be fixed 
for maintenance.




And Gerald Berg wrote:


First record the file then bump it up to AIFF with ITunes.


First of all, let me explain that this is a Sibelius midi file. I asked 
this list about making it an AIFF because at bottom a midi file is a 
midi file no matter what program made it.


Anyway. Gerald, do you mean copy the file  to an audio CD,  then put it 
back on the hard-drive as an audio file? If not, please explain 
further.


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Re: [Finale] Left margin in scroll view

[Darcy James Argue]

David, as I just finished saying, the behavior is different on Macs.   
The default screen layout is *not* restored.  The left edge of the  
system stays put onscreen in scroll view no matter how many times I  
zoom in and out.


This must be a FinWin bug.  It sounds very annoying, but I had no  
idea you guys had to put up with this!


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On 05 Aug 2005, at 10:05 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:


On 5 Aug 2005 at 21:22, Darcy James Argue wrote:



On 05 Aug 2005, at 8:25 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:



I agree with all of that, and let me just reiterate that the margin
ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT stay put [when zooming in and out].



On my system, it ABSOLUTELY DOES.  Is this a Windows problem or
something?



Do these steps:

1. open a document in scroll view, and with hand grabber, drag it to
the right so that there is plenty of space to the left of the system
namees.

2. now, click the magnify tool anywhere onscreen, but the best test
is in the first measure of the piece.

3. return to the previous view percentage.

RESULT: the default screen layout is restored, rather than the
position you set in step 1.

I tested this with the Finale 2005 demo (Windows, of course).

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Re: [Finale] Left margin in scroll view

[David W. Fenton]

On 5 Aug 2005 at 21:22, Darcy James Argue wrote:

> On 05 Aug 2005, at 8:25 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
> 
> > I agree with all of that, and let me just reiterate that the margin 
> > ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT stay put [when zooming in and out].
> 
> On my system, it ABSOLUTELY DOES.  Is this a Windows problem or 
> something?

Do these steps:

1. open a document in scroll view, and with hand grabber, drag it to 
the right so that there is plenty of space to the left of the system 
namees.

2. now, click the magnify tool anywhere onscreen, but the best test 
is in the first measure of the piece.

3. return to the previous view percentage.

RESULT: the default screen layout is restored, rather than the 
position you set in step 1.

I tested this with the Finale 2005 demo (Windows, of course).

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Re: [Finale] Left margin in scroll view

[David W. Fenton]

On 5 Aug 2005 at 21:17, Aaron Sherber wrote:

> At 08:25 PM 08/05/2005, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
>  >About
>  >every 90 seconds I find myself grabbing that scroll handle so I can
>  see >the staff names.
> 
> On Win, right-click dragging anywhere in the score has the same 
> effect as clicking the hand grabber tool, so this kind of moving
> around isn't that bad. I would hope that Mac has some kind of quick
> way of accessing this as well, but I guess not necessarily.
> 
> I agree that the default behavior is bad -- zooming in and out should
> preserve whatever you've done with the hand grabber.

No, the correct way to do it would be to allow you to set the 
position of the music system so that it would stay that way 
permanently without requiring altering your page layout or setting up 
a staff set just for that purpose.

While this last is pretty easy to do, it's still a workaround that is 
made necessary by a design decision that has little utility for the 
end user.

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Re: [Finale] TIGER

[Eric Dannewitz]

Yeah. Finale runs fine with Tiger. I was running 2005 with Tiger. No 
problems. I do get a few random crashes out of Finale 2006 that I 
haven't been able to pin down the cause of (it involves something with 
Printing). And then there is the Pageview/Mass Mover issue. Other than 
that, it works great.




Dean M. Estabrook wrote:

So, guys and gals ... is anyone out actually running MacFin 2006 on  
Tiger with success?  Right now I have no idea if 2006 screwed up my  
Mac, or in transferring data via the FireWire brought in something  
that screwed things up.  Like,  should I have an application for Fin  
2004b, and c on the new computer. Or is it really just the files that  
transferred?  Woe is me.




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[Finale] TIGER

[Dean M. Estabrook]

So, guys and gals ... is anyone out actually running MacFin 2006 on  
Tiger with success?  Right now I have no idea if 2006 screwed up my  
Mac, or in transferring data via the FireWire brought in something  
that screwed things up.  Like,  should I have an application for Fin  
2004b, and c on the new computer. Or is it really just the files that  
transferred?  Woe is me.


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Re: [Finale] Left margin in scroll view

[Darcy James Argue]

On 05 Aug 2005, at 8:25 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:

I agree with all of that, and let me just reiterate that the margin  
ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT stay put [when zooming in and out].


On my system, it ABSOLUTELY DOES.  Is this a Windows problem or  
something?


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Re: [Finale] Left margin in scroll view

[Aaron Sherber]

At 08:25 PM 08/05/2005, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
>About
>every 90 seconds I find myself grabbing that scroll handle so I can see
>the staff names.

On Win, right-click dragging anywhere in the score has the same 
effect as clicking the hand grabber tool, so this kind of moving 
around isn't that bad. I would hope that Mac has some kind of quick 
way of accessing this as well, but I guess not necessarily.


I agree that the default behavior is bad -- zooming in and out should 
preserve whatever you've done with the hand grabber.


Aaron.

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Re: [Finale] Left margin in scroll view

[David W. Fenton]

On 5 Aug 2005 at 19:25, Craig Parmerlee wrote:

> This is not a 2006 issue.  I think it has been a problem in every
> release since 1998 at least.

It was a problem in the first version of Finale I ever used, 2.01, 
back in 1991. This is an area that seemed wrong to me even then, and 
still seems wrong (even though I've certainly become accustomed to it 
after over a decade of use).

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Re: [Finale] Left margin in scroll view

[Craig Parmerlee]

I agree with all of that, and let me just reiterate that the margin 
ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT stay put.  Changing the zoom level puts it back to 
the left for certain, and there are other operates that do likewise.  
I'm not on my Finale machine right now, so I can't enumerate the other 
cases that torment me, but it happens all the time the way I work with 
Finale.  I typically work with a dozen or more staves, so I need to see 
the names and I frequently rezoom and change staff sets, etc.  About 
every 90 seconds I find myself grabbing that scroll handle so I can see 
the staff names.


This is not a 2006 issue.  I think it has been a problem in every 
release since 1998 at least.



David W. Fenton wrote:


On 5 Aug 2005 at 0:01, Darcy James Argue wrote:

 

In Scroll View, you can use the hand grabber to put the leftmost 
barline anywhere you want, showing as much or as little of the staff 
names as you desire.  And once you've put it where you want it, it 
stays there, no matter what else you do (that is, provided you don't 
move left or right with the hand grabber tool again).  If you want to 
advance or retreat in Scroll View, on Mac, you can use cmd-page up 
and cmd-page down to do so.  (I'm sure there's a similar shortcut for 
Windows.)
   



Also, it's only in large ensembles that one would really need to be 
constantly reminded what the staff name is. I work mostly with music 
in 3-6 parts, and I have no need whatsoever to see the staff names, 
as I can tell which is which because of the staff groups (the 
brackets plus the staves sharing a bar line).


However, I do think that there's something wrong with a program that 
displays in one view onscreen in a manner that does *not* represent 
the final printed view, yet draws some of its dimensions and settings 
from placement in page view. By that, I mean scroll view's vertical 
spacing from the top, which is controlled by the definition of the 
where you place the staff. It seems to me that the display placement 
ought to be something that is entirely independent of system layout, 
or the scroll view should display more like the page view (e.g., 
showing percentage reductions, which would be very handy for me in 
many cases where *not* showing it makes the music collide in scroll 
view to the point of near unreadability), or it should be mostly 
divorced from it.


I do think that hand grabbing and moving every time you open the 
score is an annoyance that you shouldn't have to do, partly because 
it's fairly fragile, in any event (especially vertically if you 
scroll up or down or open, say, the MIDI tool window).


I think scroll view is the jewel in Finale's crown, the user 
interface that makes Finale (nearly) unique, and MakeMusic could make 
a very few very minor tweaks to it that would keep it well ahead of 
the competition (don't think that Sibelius is not aware of the 
drawbacks of their page-oriented view).


 




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Re: [Finale] Left margin in scroll view

[Craig Parmerlee]

No, that is not how it is working for me.  So I guess I don't have the 
slightest idea what YOU are talking about.


Any time you change the zoom levels, for example, the margin goes all 
the way back to the left.  There are many other very routine options 
that also send the margin back to the left.  It happened to me 100 times 
last night.


This is how it has always worked for me for the past 10 releases.  
Annoying as &%#$



Darcy James Argue wrote:


Craig,

I'm afraid I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about.

In Scroll View, you can use the hand grabber to put the leftmost  
barline anywhere you want, showing as much or as little of the staff  
names as you desire.  And once you've put it where you want it, it  
stays there, no matter what else you do (that is, provided you don't  
move left or right with the hand grabber tool again).




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[Finale] Re: FinMac '06 more problems

[Ryan Beard]

Lon Price Wrote:

1.  Drawing hairpins in a measure with an independent
time signature  
is next to impossible.  It's either too short or too
long.  This is  
in score only.  I was able to make the correct
adjustments in the  
extracted part.

===

This isn't new. I have the same problem in FinMac04c.
After a certain point, the end of the hairpin will
start to go left whilst the mouse is still moving to
the right. I had a violin staff in 12/8 and a piano
grand staff in 4/4. There were portions where the time
signatures were reversed. This problem only arose in
the violin if I remember correctly and I assume it was
because it was the "minority" as far as time
signatures went. Really annoying at first, especially
considering that aligning the hairpins vertically (by
control-clicking) had no effect.

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Re: [Finale] FinMac '06 more problems

[Dean M. Estabrook]

On Aug 5, 2005, at 3:22 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:



On Aug 5, 2005, at 3:03 PM, Lon Price wrote:




Also, I continue to get bitten by the "unable to undo" bug.  This  
is very annoying, because I might want to try something, like  
applying the Human Playback plugin, expecting to undo it if I  
don't like the result, and all of a sudden I find that I've lost  
the ability to undo.  When I'm in the middle of intense work, I  
can't be bothered with checking to see if undo is still active.  A  
few days ago I said that moving to FinMac '06 did not disrupt my  
workflow.  This is no longer the case.




I reiterate: I have also experienced this rather frightening thing,  
but it has also happened to me in 2005, so I don't have any idea  
what causes it.  I thought it was related to something in the  
system outside of Finale, but the more I think about it, the less  
likely that seems.  Sometimes you can "reverse engineer" something  
you've done that will not "undo," but sometimes you cannot, and  
that's scary.


Chuck



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[Finale] What a day

[Dean M. Estabrook]

Well, after trying to work with some files in MacFin2006,  my machine  
got weirder and weirder, finally crashed a few times with all sorts  
of strange symbols on the screen. Spent a long time on the phone with  
MM,  who said I'd probably have to wipe out the HD and reinstall,  
then we found a HD>Home>Library>Preferences folder with absolutely  
nothing in it.  About that time, he said to call Apple Tech Support  
and see what they had to say. Well,  after an hour or so on the  
phone,  the gal there got my Pref folder (the empty one) to restore  
itself after restarting.  This took my original screen to default.  
So, Fin 2006 was no longer in the doc. I Dragged the old empty one to  
trash. But then, I tried to open mail, and all my old data was gone.  
Back on the phone to Apple, where a guy tried a lot of stuff,  
including a first aid job on the HD, which turned up a problem but  
also fixed it.  Then I happened to open the trash to find that the  
previously empty Pref Folder was full of stuff while still in the  
trash. So, one of the items there was a file needed for the mail app.  
We drug it to the desktop, and ran it into the new Pref. Folder, and  
lo and behold, the mail now works ... as  you can see. Now, I think I  
had better wait until I can talk with MM before I try and run Finale  
again, which, I hope against hope, will run correctly now that the  
Pref Folder has items in it, and that it won't corrupt my whole  
bloody computer again. Lord, what a day.


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Re: [Finale] FinMac '06 more problems

[Chuck Israels]

On Aug 5, 2005, at 3:03 PM, Lon Price wrote:



Also, I continue to get bitten by the "unable to undo" bug.  This  
is very annoying, because I might want to try something, like  
applying the Human Playback plugin, expecting to undo it if I don't  
like the result, and all of a sudden I find that I've lost the  
ability to undo.  When I'm in the middle of intense work, I can't  
be bothered with checking to see if undo is still active.  A few  
days ago I said that moving to FinMac '06 did not disrupt my  
workflow.  This is no longer the case.


I reiterate: I have also experienced this rather frightening thing,  
but it has also happened to me in 2005, so I don't have any idea what  
causes it.  I thought it was related to something in the system  
outside of Finale, but the more I think about it, the less likely  
that seems.  Sometimes you can "reverse engineer" something you've  
done that will not "undo," but sometimes you cannot, and that's scary.


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[Finale] FinMac '06 more problems

[Lon Price]

This seems to be by far the buggiest version that I've seen since I starting using it in 2000.1.  Drawing hairpins in a measure with an independent time signature is next to impossible.  It's either too short or too long.  This is in score only.  I was able to make the correct adjustments in the extracted part.2. Here's a really weird one:When I click on "Click and Countoff" in Playback Controls I get this message: Mach 5 UVI Engine "The UVI Engine encountered an error..."Uh... Mach 5 is MOTU's sample player, and has nothing at all to do with Finale.  This must be one of those AU-related bugs.Also, I continue to get bitten by the "unable to undo" bug.  This is very annoying, because I might want to try something, like applying the Human Playback plugin, expecting to undo it if I don't like the result, and all of a sudden I find that I've lost the ability to undo.  When I'm in the middle of intense work, I can't be bothered with checking to see if undo is still active.  A few days ago I said that moving to FinMac '06 did not disrupt my workflow.  This is no longer the case.  I may have to go back to '05 until these bugs get dealt with.  Oh, BTW, I did experience the lag when using Mass Mover in page view. Another annoyance.Lon  Lon Price, Los Angeles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   ___
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Re: [Finale] playback file to AIFF

[Darcy James Argue]

On 05 Aug 2005, at 1:13 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:

OK, how do I change (or dump) a playback file to an AIFF? Gotta be  
possible somehow.


Of course.

If you are using the Finale SoundFont:

Save Special - Save As Audio File -> Standard Audio File

If you are using GPO Full or GPO Finale Edition (or any other AU  
instruments), you need to use a third-party app like Audio Hijack Pro  
or Wiretap to intercept Finale audio -- this is scheduled to be fixed  
for maintenance.


Regards,

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[Finale] UM and Tutorials not opening

[Dean M. Estabrook]

Ok, I don't think Adobe is relevant here. The exact message I get  
when I try to open the UM is:


can not open help file finTOC.pdf

Same with tutorials, of course.

Anybody tell me what to do?

Thanks in advance for your smarts and patience

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[Finale] The Tutorial Question

[Dean M. Estabrook]

Ok, I just opened MacFin 2006 again, and did see the button for view  
tutorials.  So, I clicked it. Got the message that that pdf could not  
be found. Same with the UM.  A couple of days ago, I was able to  
access the UM,  via Adobe I think.  I have to believe that in all my  
installs and reinstalls over the last couple of days, I've lost the  
Adobe. Make sense?  I am now on a search for that ... if you have any  
other thoughts, please let me know.


Thanks,

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Re: [Finale] Top staff top margin

[Rich Caldwell]

I always enter notes in scroll view (speedy entry), then sometimes  
add the articulations there, but do almost everything else in page  
view, so this isn't a huge issue... just a minor annoyance that seems  
rather unnecessary to me.  I don't run into often, as I don't usually  
need to go that far above, but it happens.  When it does, my mouse  
gets a little angry.


Rich

On Aug 5, 2005, at 2:56 PM, dhbailey wrote:

David W. Fenton wrote:

On 5 Aug 2005 at 6:29, dhbailey wrote:

2) under the STAFF menu, in the Respace Staves dialog is a place to
set the spacing for the top staff.  Setting this to be a negative
number moves it down the page, and all the other staves maintain  
their
relative spacing.  This is by far the easiest if you need to give  
the

top staff more room once you have started your score and have more
than one staff in place.

Does that not affect page layout, putting additional space at the  
top of each system?


Yes it does, but I would assume that if he can't see some of the  
higher elements of the top staff, they would either be outside the  
print area on the page or would collide with the bottom staff of  
the system above.  In either case, I would think some more space  
above the top staff would be desirable.


But the question was, in scroll view, how to see those elements  
which are too high, and there really isn't any way except adding  
more space to the top of the top staff, either by dragging or by  
adjusting the number in the dialogue.


After all the data entry is done, that can revert to whatever he  
needs for proper layout if the new setting doesn't work properly.


--
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[Finale] MacFin2006 Tutorials

[Dean M. Estabrook]

I think I asked this a few days ago, but didn't see a response.  The  
user's Manual talks about several tutorials included in the  
application,  and implies that they are interactive.  If this is so,  
how does one access them. I see nothing on the opening dialog box.


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Re: [Finale] Top staff top margin [was: Left margin in scroll view]

[David W. Fenton]

On 5 Aug 2005 at 14:56, dhbailey wrote:

> David W. Fenton wrote:
> > On 5 Aug 2005 at 6:29, dhbailey wrote:
> > 
> >>2) under the STAFF menu, in the Respace Staves dialog is a place to
> >>set the spacing for the top staff.  Setting this to be a negative
> >>number moves it down the page, and all the other staves maintain
> >>their relative spacing.  This is by far the easiest if you need to
> >>give the top staff more room once you have started your score and
> >>have more than one staff in place.
> > 
> > Does that not affect page layout, putting additional space at the
> > top of each system?
> 
> Yes it does, but I would assume that if he can't see some of the
> higher elements of the top staff, they would either be outside the
> print area on the page or would collide with the bottom staff of the
> system above. 

Why would you assume such things?

In any event, it shows how unwise the choice to make vertical spacing 
in scrollview a result of a setting that affects page layout. There 
is no reason, in a non-page-based view, to maintain such a connection 
-- it should be an independent setting (perhaps inheriting its 
default setting from the page layout system settings).

>   In either case, I would think some more space above the top staff
> would be desirable.

What if it isn't?

> But the question was, in scroll view, how to see those elements which
> are too high, and there really isn't any way except adding more space
> to the top of the top staff, either by dragging or by adjusting the
> number in the dialogue.

And my point is that THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE WAY FINALE 
PRESENTLY WORKS -- a shortcut was taken way back in the days of 
Finale 2.x (or before), and it's never been addressed, despite the 
problems that decision actually causes.

> After all the data entry is done, that can revert to whatever he needs
> for proper layout if the new setting doesn't work properly.

It's stupid for a program's user interface to force you to change the 
printing properties in order to be able to comfortably edit your 
data. That betrays an erroneous slavishness to WYSYWIG in aspects of 
the program's UI where it gets in the way.

Of course, there is the workaround that Andrew suggested, of creating 
a staff set with custom settings, but, again, it's a workaround. 
Finale should maintain onscreen positioning separate from page layout 
positioning.

-- 
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Re: [Finale] playback file to AIFF

[Gerald Berg]

First record the file then bump it up to AIFF with ITunes.

Jerry

On 5-Aug-05, at 1:13 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:

OK, how do I change (or dump) a playback file to an AIFF? Gotta be 
possible somehow.


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Re: [Finale] Top staff top margin [was: Left margin in scroll view]

[dhbailey]

David W. Fenton wrote:

On 5 Aug 2005 at 6:29, dhbailey wrote:



2) under the STAFF menu, in the Respace Staves dialog is a place to
set the spacing for the top staff.  Setting this to be a negative
number moves it down the page, and all the other staves maintain their
relative spacing.  This is by far the easiest if you need to give the
top staff more room once you have started your score and have more
than one staff in place.



Does that not affect page layout, putting additional space at the top 
of each system?





Yes it does, but I would assume that if he can't see some of the higher 
elements of the top staff, they would either be outside the print area 
on the page or would collide with the bottom staff of the system above. 
 In either case, I would think some more space above the top staff 
would be desirable.


But the question was, in scroll view, how to see those elements which 
are too high, and there really isn't any way except adding more space to 
the top of the top staff, either by dragging or by adjusting the number 
in the dialogue.


After all the data entry is done, that can revert to whatever he needs 
for proper layout if the new setting doesn't work properly.




--
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Re: [Finale] Top staff top margin [was: Left margin in scroll view]

[David W. Fenton]

On 5 Aug 2005 at 6:29, dhbailey wrote:

> 2) under the STAFF menu, in the Respace Staves dialog is a place to
> set the spacing for the top staff.  Setting this to be a negative
> number moves it down the page, and all the other staves maintain their
> relative spacing.  This is by far the easiest if you need to give the
> top staff more room once you have started your score and have more
> than one staff in place.

Does that not affect page layout, putting additional space at the top 
of each system?

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Re: [Finale] Left margin in scroll view

[David W. Fenton]

On 5 Aug 2005 at 0:01, Darcy James Argue wrote:

> In Scroll View, you can use the hand grabber to put the leftmost 
> barline anywhere you want, showing as much or as little of the staff 
> names as you desire.  And once you've put it where you want it, it 
> stays there, no matter what else you do (that is, provided you don't 
> move left or right with the hand grabber tool again).  If you want to 
> advance or retreat in Scroll View, on Mac, you can use cmd-page up 
> and cmd-page down to do so.  (I'm sure there's a similar shortcut for 
> Windows.)

Also, it's only in large ensembles that one would really need to be 
constantly reminded what the staff name is. I work mostly with music 
in 3-6 parts, and I have no need whatsoever to see the staff names, 
as I can tell which is which because of the staff groups (the 
brackets plus the staves sharing a bar line).

However, I do think that there's something wrong with a program that 
displays in one view onscreen in a manner that does *not* represent 
the final printed view, yet draws some of its dimensions and settings 
from placement in page view. By that, I mean scroll view's vertical 
spacing from the top, which is controlled by the definition of the 
where you place the staff. It seems to me that the display placement 
ought to be something that is entirely independent of system layout, 
or the scroll view should display more like the page view (e.g., 
showing percentage reductions, which would be very handy for me in 
many cases where *not* showing it makes the music collide in scroll 
view to the point of near unreadability), or it should be mostly 
divorced from it.

I do think that hand grabbing and moving every time you open the 
score is an annoyance that you shouldn't have to do, partly because 
it's fairly fragile, in any event (especially vertically if you 
scroll up or down or open, say, the MIDI tool window).

I think scroll view is the jewel in Finale's crown, the user 
interface that makes Finale (nearly) unique, and MakeMusic could make 
a very few very minor tweaks to it that would keep it well ahead of 
the competition (don't think that Sibelius is not aware of the 
drawbacks of their page-oriented view).

-- 
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[Finale] OT: shakuhachi

[Phil Daley]

At 8/5/2005 01:38 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote:

>I just can't stop thinking who the hell would want to name a font
>"Shakuhachi", which has a really nasty sexual double meaning.  I mean,
>since there is no connection I could think of Shakuhachi and font I
>immediately thought about the second meaning, y'know.  (why no google
>hit by "shakuhachi font"?)

The vending company that services our site is A&B Vending Company.

They have the web site plastered on their trucks, www.abvendingco.com

The only thing I think of, when I see the truck, is "Shadrak, Mishak, and 
Abvendingco"  ;-)


Phil Daley  < AutoDesk >
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Re: [Finale] FinWin2006confusion

[A-NO-NE Music]

I just can't stop thinking who the hell would want to name a font
"Shakuhachi", which has a really nasty sexual double meaning.  I mean,
since there is no connection I could think of Shakuhachi and font I
immediately thought about the second meaning, y'know.  (why no google
hit by "shakuhachi font"?)

Sorry.  I couldn't resist :-)

-- 

- Hiro

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Re: [Finale] Top staff top margin [was: Left margin in scroll view]

[Andrew Stiller]

On Aug 5, 2005, at 6:29 AM, dhbailey wrote:


You need to use the staff tool to give yourself more room for the top 
staff.  You can do this in either of two ways:
1) select all the handles for all the staves in your score and then 
drag them all down in one motion, until you see what you want to see.
2) under the STAFF menu, in the Respace Staves dialog is a place to 
set the spacing for the top staff.  Setting this to be a negative 
number moves it down the page, and all the other staves maintain their 
relative spacing.  This is by far the easiest if you need to give the 
top staff more room once you have started your score and have more 
than one staff in place.


Or if the current position of the top staff is important to you (don't 
want to disturb your layout), you can create a staff set that includes 
the top staff. Select the new set, and drag everything down by either 
of the methods mentioned above. After that, whenever you want to edit 
stuff high above the top staff, you can just select the special set.


Andrew Stiller
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Re: [Finale] FinWin2006confusion

[Phil Daley]

At 8/5/2005 12:01 PM, Bruce Hunter wrote:

>My shakuhachi font does not work in WinFin 2004 or QuattroPro8.
>
>Just to clarify, In finale, I can select the font, and it will temporarily
>display in a text box, but as soon as the page is scrolled, or another entry
>is made on the page, the text box display reverts to whatever was selected
>previously, or, the first font on my list which is Arial, can't remember,
>but I can check it, if that behavior is a clue.

Seems like a bug, but perhaps there is a work-around.

What if you set the default font to shakuhachi, then change the passages to 
Arial, or whatever.


When you scroll, does the font revert to shakuhachi?

Have you tried saving the document every time you changed font?

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Re: [Finale] Accidental Bug

[Giovanni Doro]

About the original subject, under my opinion, it isn't really a bug: if you 
imagine the situation between two different measure in different staves 
(last measure and first one), for G# you would see at the begin of new 
system a G tied to another (natural) G instead a G#.
My opinion is to repeat always the alteration between altered tied notes on 
different measures: I do it using cautionary accidentals plug-in but it 
can't remove the redundant accident: this is really an annoying bug!

Giovanni Doro
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From: "John Bell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 3:30 AM
Subject: [Finale] Accidental Bug


[FinMac 2005b]
There's a really annoying bug in Finale that's been there for years.
When a note with an accidental is tied to the next bar and then tied
again to another note in this same bar, the final note is given a
redundant accidental. For example, in 4/4: whole note with accidental
tied to half note tied to eighth note.

I reported this to Finale some years ago and they acknowledged that
it was a bug but have never fixed it. I'm so used to it that I
automatically hit * in these situations to hide the unwanted
accidental. Except when I forget. Sometimes they escape my proof-
reading, and are I believe rather confusing for the players as well
as being plain wrong.

John
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[Finale] playback file to AIFF

[Andrew Stiller]

OK, how do I change (or dump) a playback file to an AIFF? Gotta be 
possible somehow.


--Andrew

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RE: [Finale] FinWin2006confusion

[ronan]

No problems with WinF2006, plus full GPO here. Works like a charm. I am very
pleased with playback and the new features. I'm especially glad I don't have
to muck around to get pizz, trem., etc. Just write it in the score, like you
should be able to.

The only small thing is that there are no pre-set reberb settings, but that
should be in the maintenance release.

Ron

Ronald J Brown
PO Box 138
Newboro ON K0G 1P0
(613) 272-3181
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-Original Message-
From: Bruce Hunter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: August 5, 2005 3:30 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] FinWin2006confusion

Greetings to All!
De-lurking for the moment to...
Thank everyone for all the help given so freely,
and,
Ask,...
Where's all the message traffic about disasters and problems with Finale
2006 for Windows? Have I missed a whole bunch of messages somehow? Has the
installation screwed up everyone's system so badly they can't email the
list? I'm in the middle of several large projects and am in no hurry to
install my update (updating from 2004), but I am wondering if installation
on my BillyBox is going to cause my car battery to go dead, or something.
8^)
Actually, I was waiting for braver and more adept individuals than I to
install and report problems, but all I've read about are FinMac trials and
tribulations. (Possibly some problems have been reported in messages that
had no announcement or clues about platform.)
Oh well, back to trying to figger why a TrueType shakuhachi font won't
display in Finale.
Thanks for everything,
Bruce Hunter





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Re: [Finale] GPO instrument Choice Question(s)

[Dean M. Estabrook]

Cool, thanks.  At present, I'm not sure how much difference I hear in  
those variants, but I haven't put in a lot of time on it yet.


As usual,

Thanks again.

DEan

On Aug 4, 2005, at 4:53 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:


Dean,

As I've said before on the list, you must load the KS (i.e.,  
keyswitched) instruments whenever possible, otherwise Human  
Playback instructions like "arco" and "pizz" won't work.


[It's stupid that MakeMusic included non-keyswitched alternatives  
alongside the KS instruments -- this is going to cause a lot of  
confusion.]


In general, it's best to avoid the "Full Strings KS" patch (and  
other "Full Strings" patches), unless you are running extremely low  
on memory and all your string staves always use the same dynamics,  
switch to pizz and arco at the same time, etc.  You will get a  
*much* better sound using the appropriate section strings for each  
section (i.e., "Violins KS", "Violas KS," etc).


When there is no GPO Finale Edition KS instrument available (for  
winds and brass, for example), you can use either the solo or  
section instruments -- just use whichever variant sounds most  
appropriate to your ears.


- Darcy
-
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On 04 Aug 2005, at 7:06 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:


What differences in sound (if any) should I expect between, say,   
solo instrument choices,  section instruments, KS instruments  
(whatever that means), and Full String choices?  In other words,  
I'm not sure what to choose for which purposes.  Sounds pretty  
much like me, no?


Dean

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Re: [Finale] FinWin2006confusion

[Bruce Hunter]

Thank you, David.

My shakuhachi font does not work in WinFin 2004 or QuattroPro8.

It works just fine in Excel97, Word97, Notepad(Win98), WordPerfect8, Adobe 
Illustrator7, and CorelDraw!4.

Just to clarify, In finale, I can select the font, and it will temporarily 
display in a text box, but as soon as the page is scrolled, or another entry is 
made on the page, the text box display reverts to whatever was selected 
previously, or, the first font on my list which is Arial, can't remember, but I 
can check it, if that behavior is a clue.

Thanks again,
Bruce



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Re: [Finale] FinWin2006confusion

[Bruce Hunter]

Thank you, Rick.
Bruce 

From: "Rick Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
> I had no problems whatsoever installing FinWin2006 a little over a week ago.
...(snip)...
> On the whole, I am really happy with this upgrade.
> Rick Neal



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Re: [Finale] FinWin2006confusion

[Darcy James Argue]

Yes -- popping and distortion happen when the processor gets overloaded.

On the other hand, when memory gets too low, you won't be able to  
load any instruments, and your entire computer will grind to a halt.   
You won't be able to play back at all, and Finale will probably crash.


- Darcy
-
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On 05 Aug 2005, at 11:29 AM, Rick Neal wrote:

Thanks, Darcy. All I know is it stopped the distortion and popping  
and plays back like I want it to.


Darcy James Argue wrote:



Hi Rick,

Just to be clear, reducing polyphony does nothing to alleviate  
the  GPO RAM requirements.  What it _does_ do is alleviate the  
processing  power requirement somewhat, so you can get smoother  
playback.  But it  will not help you load more instruments if  
you're already low on RAM.


Cheers,

- Darcy
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Re: [Finale] FinWin2006confusion

[Rick Neal]

Thanks, Darcy. All I know is it stopped the distortion and popping and 
plays back like I want it to.


Darcy James Argue wrote:


Hi Rick,

Just to be clear, reducing polyphony does nothing to alleviate the  
GPO RAM requirements.  What it _does_ do is alleviate the processing  
power requirement somewhat, so you can get smoother playback.  But it  
will not help you load more instruments if you're already low on RAM.


Cheers,

- Darcy
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On 05 Aug 2005, at 10:07 AM, Rick Neal wrote:

I had no problems whatsoever installing FinWin2006 a little over a  
week ago. I have been using it 3-4 hours every day since then for 3  
projects I have going with deadlines next week. On my system it has  
a much snappier response than previous versions. The only issues  for 
me, so far, have been my RAM limitations and GPO. I only have  512 Mb 
of RAM and can't load more than a string orchestra using the  KS 
patches and the Steinway piano. Darcy (I think) told us how to  
decrease the polyphony of each instrument which alleviates the ram  
crunch somewhat. On the whole, I am really happy with this upgrade.


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Re: [Finale] FinWin2006confusion

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Rick,

Just to be clear, reducing polyphony does nothing to alleviate the  
GPO RAM requirements.  What it _does_ do is alleviate the processing  
power requirement somewhat, so you can get smoother playback.  But it  
will not help you load more instruments if you're already low on RAM.


Cheers,

- Darcy
-
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On 05 Aug 2005, at 10:07 AM, Rick Neal wrote:

I had no problems whatsoever installing FinWin2006 a little over a  
week ago. I have been using it 3-4 hours every day since then for 3  
projects I have going with deadlines next week. On my system it has  
a much snappier response than previous versions. The only issues  
for me, so far, have been my RAM limitations and GPO. I only have  
512 Mb of RAM and can't load more than a string orchestra using the  
KS patches and the Steinway piano. Darcy (I think) told us how to  
decrease the polyphony of each instrument which alleviates the ram  
crunch somewhat. On the whole, I am really happy with this upgrade.

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Re: [Finale] FinWin2006confusion

[Rick Neal]

I had no problems whatsoever installing FinWin2006 a little over a week 
ago. I have been using it 3-4 hours every day since then for 3 projects 
I have going with deadlines next week. On my system it has a much 
snappier response than previous versions. The only issues for me, so 
far, have been my RAM limitations and GPO. I only have 512 Mb of RAM and 
can't load more than a string orchestra using the KS patches and the 
Steinway piano. Darcy (I think) told us how to decrease the polyphony of 
each instrument which alleviates the ram crunch somewhat. On the whole, 
I am really happy with this upgrade.


Rick Neal

Bruce Hunter wrote:


Greetings to All!
De-lurking for the moment to...
Thank everyone for all the help given so freely,
and,
Ask,...
Where's all the message traffic about disasters and problems with Finale 2006 
for Windows? Have I missed a whole bunch of messages somehow? Has the 
installation screwed up everyone's system so badly they can't email the list? 
I'm in the middle of several large projects and am in no hurry to install my 
update (updating from 2004), but I am wondering if installation on my BillyBox 
is going to cause my car battery to go dead, or something. 8^)
Actually, I was waiting for braver and more adept individuals than I to install 
and report problems, but all I've read about are FinMac trials and 
tribulations. (Possibly some problems have been reported in messages that had 
no announcement or clues about platform.)
Oh well, back to trying to figger why a TrueType shakuhachi font won't display 
in Finale.
Thanks for everything,
Bruce Hunter



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Re: [Finale] FinWin2006confusion

[dhbailey]

Bruce Hunter wrote:


Greetings to All!
De-lurking for the moment to...
Thank everyone for all the help given so freely,
and,
Ask,...
Where's all the message traffic about disasters and problems with Finale 2006 
for Windows? Have I missed a whole bunch of messages somehow? Has the 
installation screwed up everyone's system so badly they can't email the list? 
I'm in the middle of several large projects and am in no hurry to install my 
update (updating from 2004), but I am wondering if installation on my BillyBox 
is going to cause my car battery to go dead, or something. 8^)
Actually, I was waiting for braver and more adept individuals than I to install 
and report problems, but all I've read about are FinMac trials and 
tribulations. (Possibly some problems have been reported in messages that had 
no announcement or clues about platform.)
Oh well, back to trying to figger why a TrueType shakuhachi font won't display 
in Finale.
Thanks for everything,



FinWin2006 installed without any glitches whatsoever on both my desktop 
which has WinXPpro and also on my notebook, which has WinXPhome.  No 
problems, no deleted address books, just a straightforward install.


Does your TrueType shakuhachi font display in other applications, such 
as Word or WordPerfect?  Just asking, because the problem may lie with 
the font file, not Finale.  You are certain you have installed the font 
in your Font folder properly?  Just a thought.


--
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Re: [Finale] Top staff top margin [was: Left margin in scroll view]

[dhbailey]

Rich Caldwell wrote:

I know this annoyed me as well in the past, but of course checking  just 
now with 2006 back to 2004, it works just as Darcy describes.Maybe 
there is an option somewhere that at some point I fixed?  In  any case, 
the thing that I never bothered to figure out, is how to  hand-drag the 
staves DOWN.  What if my top staff has very high notes  or markings?  I 
know I must have run into this and perhaps used the  staff tool to move 
'em all, but it would be nice if I could hand-grab  instead.  Am I 
forgetting something?




You need to use the staff tool to give yourself more room for the top 
staff.  You can do this in either of two ways:
1) select all the handles for all the staves in your score and then drag 
them all down in one motion, until you see what you want to see.
2) under the STAFF menu, in the Respace Staves dialog is a place to set 
the spacing for the top staff.  Setting this to be a negative number 
moves it down the page, and all the other staves maintain their relative 
spacing.  This is by far the easiest if you need to give the top staff 
more room once you have started your score and have more than one staff 
in place.


--
David H. Bailey
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[Finale] FinWin2006confusion

[Bruce Hunter]

Greetings to All!
De-lurking for the moment to...
Thank everyone for all the help given so freely,
and,
Ask,...
Where's all the message traffic about disasters and problems with Finale 2006 
for Windows? Have I missed a whole bunch of messages somehow? Has the 
installation screwed up everyone's system so badly they can't email the list? 
I'm in the middle of several large projects and am in no hurry to install my 
update (updating from 2004), but I am wondering if installation on my BillyBox 
is going to cause my car battery to go dead, or something. 8^)
Actually, I was waiting for braver and more adept individuals than I to install 
and report problems, but all I've read about are FinMac trials and 
tribulations. (Possibly some problems have been reported in messages that had 
no announcement or clues about platform.)
Oh well, back to trying to figger why a TrueType shakuhachi font won't display 
in Finale.
Thanks for everything,
Bruce Hunter



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